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Subject: Songs of Australian Working Life From: GUEST,Mark Campbell Date: 16 Jun 02 - 10:23 PM Hi all, I'm after a book. Anyone know where I can buy a copy (Amazon aint got it). Therese Radic's book Songs of Australian Working Life. Greenhouse Elwood, Vic 1989 Playwright and music historian Thérèse Radic presents words and music for more than 100 songs, together with details of melodies and chords. Radic provides details of the origins of both words and music for each song, who first collected them and where they were published. These are mainly songs with clear Anglo-Saxon and Celtic influence, but also featured are some songs by Aborigines and by recent immigrants. The selection combines 'traditional' and political songs from 1788 to the present. An index of first lines is provided. An overlapping collection, with less historical information, is Warren Fahey's Eureka: The songs that made Australia (Omnibus, Sydney, 1984, 236p). |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 17 Jun 02 - 12:28 AM G'day Mark, I think I've answered on another of your postings ... maybe under your new "handle"? ... that Da Capo music, in Glebe Point Road, Glebe may be a good start. They had good copies of both Thérèse Radic books when I was there last. I won't have time to check tonight, when I walk past on my way home, as I need to be in early to get away to my Monday Night Workshop. The web site for Da Capo is www.dacapo.com.au/ and they have a book finder engine on the site. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 17 Jun 02 - 12:32 AM G'day again Mark, They do have a copy of Songs of Australian Working Life at Aus$20.00 (but no listing for the earlier Australian folk song book). Go for it! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: alison Date: 17 Jun 02 - 12:42 AM its a good book some great songs slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: aussiebloke Date: 17 Jun 02 - 03:49 AM Hi Mark The Top End Folk Club Top End Folk Club library has a copy - are you associated with a Folk Club in your area? I'd be happy to arrange a club-to-club loan if you can't source a copy locally. aussiebloke |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: songsearch Date: 17 Jun 02 - 06:00 PM I feel sure Martyn Wyndham-Read will have recorded some of the material. Not to be missed! |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 17 Jun 02 - 07:58 PM Wow thanks all. Gotta go to the big big smoke this weekend. Will be in the Glebe Point Road area (roughly). Thanks for the offer of the loan aussiebloke I'll check out DaCapo Books and get back to you if necessary. Given the weather down here in the ACT I feel like upping stumps and heading up that way to the Northern Territory. Anyway... Back to work. Seeya Mark
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 17 Jun 02 - 09:08 PM Hi all, Another book that I am after, in a similar vein. Ned Kelly after a century of acrimony, John Meredith and Bill Scott, Lansdowne Press, Dee Why West, 1980. DaCapo books again?
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 17 Jun 02 - 09:29 PM G'day again Percustard, Ned Kelly .... doesn't show up in the search I just did on Da Capo's bookfinder ... but it might be under Bill Scott's name, rather than John Meredith's. Since it is not principally a music book, it would be worthwhile checking Cornstalk Bookshop ... next door! ... as they are a specialist in Australian books, but not music. If you want, I can get Da Capo to put their copy of Songs of Australian Working Life aside for you. They did ask if they should do so, when I rang them yesterday, but I left that up to your web search ... If you intend to appear in 3d, then I can make sure you don't miss out. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 18 Jun 02 - 09:49 PM From... http://www.ironoutlaw.com/html/books.html John Meredith and Bill Scott Contains an incredible collection of source documents relating to Kelly. After a thought-provoking introduction, the authors reprint the Second Progress Report from the 1881 Royal Commission (which, by the way, presents an excellent contemporary history of the Gang). Following this are nine letters either written or dictated by Kelly, including his three condemned cell letters. The collection of Kelly songs and stories are so extensive that this chapter could be a book on its own. Then comes the most comprehensive bibliography, cinematography and discography to date. ....... And on the subject of Radic's book...Thanks Bob, put the hold on, I'll be down there for fleeting visit. What are Dacapos weekend open hours? And thanks again. Mark
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 18 Jun 02 - 11:07 PM Ah ... G'day Percustard, Da Capo are open to 6.00PM, seven days a week (open at 9.00AM ... I think). They have your e-mail query ... now they have to find the book ...! (It's not exactly the Mitchell Library in there!) They'll get back to you when they know about the book. It is also worth checking Cornstalk Bookshop, next door (and seeing if they now have a bookfinder on their web site: www.cornstalk.com.au/). Cornstalk are a non-music Australian book specialist and I've had some useful books from them in the past. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:04 AM Thanks again Bob. And so as not to waste a post here is some info on Fahey's book. From http://www.celt.com.au/austsong.html Eureka - The songs that Made Australia compiled by Warren Fahey The 106 songs in this Eureka Collection offer a rare key to the treasure chest of Australia's past and present. The songs are mainly the old traditional songs composed by disgruntled bush workers, optimistic gold seekers, men and women who tramped the old bush tracks during the lean times of the 1890's and 1930's. There are the later songs of industrial growth on the coal fields, songs about love, about leisure and songs about the future. Book sizeA4, contains 20 pages, 106 songs with words, melody and chords and history.
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:16 AM G'day Percustard, If you're after Eureka ..., it's worth checking Da Capo ... they had copies last time I looked. I'll veer left a bit at Wentworth Park, on my walk home tonight, and poke my head in at both shops. If there is anything else of note, I'll give you the good oil from home. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:29 AM G'day again ... I just checked both Da Capo and Cornstalk Bookshop's bookfinders. Cornstalk also have listed a copy of Songs of Australian Working Life ... but it's Aus$30, rather than Da Capo's Aus$20 (... if they can find it!. Neither shop lists Eureka ... or Ned Kelly -after 100 years of Acrimony on their site's book lists. If I do see a copy, I'll get it held for you. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:30 AM Another link! Shores of Botany Bay From http://www.crixa.com/muse/songnet/080.html Oh I'm on my way down to the quay Where a big ship now does lie For to take a gang of navvies I was told to engage But I thought I would call in for a while Before I went away For to take a trip in an emigrant ship To the shores of Botany Bay Chorus Fairwell to your bricks and mortar Fairwell to your dirty lime Fairwell to your gangway and gang planks And to hell with your overtime For the good ship Ragamuffin Is lying at the quay For to take old Pat with a shovel on his back To the shores of Botany Bay The best years of our life we spend At working on the docks Building mighty wharves and quays Of earth and ballast rocks Our pensions keep our lives secure But I'll not rue the day When I take a trip on an emigrant ship To the shores of Botany Bay For the boss came up this morning And he said "Well Pat hello If you do not mix that mortar fast Be sure you'll have to go" Of course he did insult me I demanded of my pay And I told him straight I was going to emigrate To the shores of Botany Bay And when I reach Australia I'll go and look for gold Sure there's plenty there for the digging Or so I have been told Or I might go back into my trade Eight hundred bricks I'll lay In an eight hour day for eight bob pay On the shores of Botany Bay Notes Collected from Duke Tritton by John Meredith. Tritton learned the song while busking in Sydney early this century. He also wrote the last verse. Second verse is from Therese Radic's Songs of Australian Working Life . |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 19 Jun 02 - 05:55 AM Just in case any of you out there can help a friend of mine. We heard a song at Robin Hoods Bay about 'a station being built in a town with a celebration and the mining company stripping the place bare over many years and leaving the place like a ghost town with the end verse talking about the station closing' any ideas folks ? |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Jun 02 - 09:58 AM G'day, Percustard: I've posted the words and tune to Shores of Botany Bay at least once before ... but usually without the extra verse added (by the Bushwackers?). It fits in well and it works .. and the song certainly calls out for a bit more length. MC Fat: That would be (Mike O'Rourke's ... ?) The Poison Train ... discussed in a thread (last year ...?) - and not popular with the "sing us a nice song" brigade! Anyway, you should find it with a lyric search for the last 12 months on "poison Train". Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 19 Jun 02 - 09:49 PM Thanks for all your help Bob.
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Jun 02 - 10:38 PM G'day again, MC Fat: I had a look to see if I could spot the thread which mentioned The Poison Train. I have not got it 'traced' ... presumably because I did not post the song, merely got involved in the discussion of it. I called up all my posts ... but it dropped out at # 929, Sept 2000 ... and my quick scan does not uncover any thread title that rings a bell (or blows a train whistle) for this song. I think the thread refers to something else ... and this song just dropped in. It is not in the DT. If nobody finds it in the next day or so, I will repost it so that you have it ... but it definitely has been discussed and posted ... sometime! Percustard: I presume that Da Capo have e-mailed back their search results and opening hours. I called by and found the "missing" book ... it was not on the shelf - even in the mess that browsers create by putting books back in the wrong spot ... It was sitting up, bold as brass, in a display fixture above the shelves! (Clearly visible ... but not where expected.) I did not see any copy of Warren Fahey's Eureka ... book or Meredith & Scott's Ned Kelly ... in Da Capo. I was not able to check Cornstalk, because they close at 5.00PM ... just before I reach Glebe (roughly 20 minutes walk from here - and I usually leave at 4.45PM). Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 19 Jun 02 - 11:41 PM Yes Bob. They mentioned that you found the book. Much much appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Percustard Date: 23 Jun 02 - 07:46 PM Hi Bob and all, Well...we made it to the big smoke. I raced into DaCapo and grabbed the booked ($20 Au). Visited me dad in hospital and raced home again. I wonder if life had more space in it in times past. Great book (after all that racing) and me Dad seems to be slowly mending. Anyway...I found another song in the book (in addition to Cosgroves "The Rabbit Trapper" which my Grandfather would have liked: "Picking up Spuds"! Mick grew spuds as well as trapped rabbits and was manager a cattle sheep property called Ettlesdale. My Dad (Mick's son) was looking through the book at the hospital and (though he cant talk at present) his eyes lit up and he nodded when he found the "spud" song. Rabbits Sheep and spuds...A Genealogy in Song (that sounds like a good name for a CD). Anyway...I'll do some investigating and get back with some questions (if necessary) about "Picking up Spuds". (spuds, by the way, are potatoes). Thanks Mark Campbell
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: rich-joy Date: 24 Jun 02 - 05:50 AM Bob, I've got a VERY vague recollection that Stewie (from the NT) might have been the one to post Mick O'Rourke's "The Poison Train", probably when he was researching for his TRAIN SONGS workshop a coupla years back - but I couldn't swear to that (sadly, I've been wrong before ... sigh ...) Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 24 Jun 02 - 09:23 AM G'day rich-joy, I think you are right ... I just couldn't get the Mudcat to list anything before 2000 ... and I think that thread lived and died before then. I should give it another hit and see if I get a fuller list ... er ... when I am more awake ... and MC Fat may ave succeeded in finding it ... ? Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: EBarnacle1 Date: 24 Jun 02 - 10:16 AM 'Tis said, if you wait in a good spot, all will come to you. I have been trying to find songs from Northwest Australia, including stuff by the writers of "Farewell Nakamura" and "Bringing the Beer to Broome" as well as the author of "Small Dark Engine Room." Any chance of an assist? |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 12:01 AM G'day EBarnacle, (sounds like a good name for sticking around ...!) The songs Farewell Nakamura and Bringing the Beer to Broome are both by Ted Egan, of Alice Springs, Northern Territory. I have a few of his song books and recordings ... but you probably want something in the line of a "Ted Egan Sonbook" ... and I don't think he has ever put one together. I thought I had a web site bookmarked, but it's not on this machine. I reckon a 'match specific phrase' search on "Ted Egan" would probably find him ... then you could find out if he has a general book ... or a "Best of Ted" record. I probably won't see him in person until mid-September, when he will be at the Illawarra Folk Festival, in Jamberoo, NSW. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: GUEST,Phil Date: 25 Jun 02 - 12:19 AM Perhaps Small Dark Engine Room is the Harry Robertson song Wee Pot Stove. There have been a few recordings (notably Declan Affley's) and it has appeared in a a song book but I don't recall the title. Tommy Leonard in Brisbane has comparatively recently put together a CD of Harry Robertson songs that I think includes Wee Pot Stove. |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: rich-joy Date: 25 Jun 02 - 05:41 AM EBarnacle : I have the lyrics of all 3 mentioned and will try to post them tonight (why do you pick the long ones that I haven't already got on my computer, dammit???!!!) :>) "Farewell, Nakamura": always dissolves me to tears ... Ah no, I have : "I'm Taking You Back to Broome Today" - not sure if I have "Bringing the Beer to Broome" at this stage ... I'll look later ... Guest Phil : Yes, that Tommy Leonard has a MOST beautiful voice. I think Nic Jones also recorded Harry's "Wee Pot Stove" as "Little Pot Stove" or some such change ... Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: rich-joy Date: 25 Jun 02 - 06:10 AM EBarnacle : Luckily for me, "Bringing the Beer to Broome" was posted in a thread of that title in September 1999 (just put "Broome" into the box ...) But I'll try to do the others (may have to wait until after "The Bill"!!!!!!!! - Yes, I'll admit it - I'm partial to both Mudcat AND The Bill ...) Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 06:45 AM G'day again EBarnacle (Phil & rich-joy), Oops - I overlooked The Wee Pot Stove ... probably arising from my deep animadversion to Nic Jones's unwelcome "Englishing" of Harry Robertson's great Scots songs. There has been fairly recent discussion of The Wee Pot Stove and a few more of Harry's songs. I think I may have posted some words ... I have Harry's original LP Whale-Chasing Man and its matching book, with the full transcript of the record - songs, music and supporting words and verse ... as well as the recent CD re-release by the National Library of Australia. If you go to their web site (at www.nla.gov.au/ ) and got to the ScreenSound section, you should be able to get details. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: rich-joy Date: 25 Jun 02 - 06:46 AM Just managed to sneak in "Sayonara, Nakamura". "Back to Broome" will try to do later ... Must see if "The Drover's Boy" is in here - if not, does anyone have the words of that??? Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: rich-joy Date: 25 Jun 02 - 08:32 AM Just added "Back to Broome" (took two goes, mind ...) Lots of thread references to "The Drover's Boy" so I presume it's in there already ... Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 08:57 AM G'day rich-joy I suspect that I was the first to publish The Drover's Boy. I had it transcribed off Ted's tape, when he won the ZBush Music Club's "New Song" competition with it ... and I notice that all subsequent publications of the song looked very like the transcrition we did ... ! I think I may have posted the words here ... if somebody had not already done so. BTW: I just sent off a few sample clip art images that may be useful. egards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 09:07 AM G'day MCFat, Now my searches work better ... Stewie posted the lyrics to The Poison Train about 2¼ years ago ... this link may, if I have translated Joe Offer's instructions correctly (to get a direct link ... without switching servers ...: Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 09:12 AM G'day again, Hmmm ... that was not whatI wanted. Try this (even if it does force you to Ragtime):
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Subject: RE: Songs of Australian Working Life From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jun 02 - 09:19 AM G'day yet again, It's at: http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=189752 (This used to work ... until I tried to do it Joe's way ... ?!?) Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
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