BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Foe
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 09:06 AM

RE: reenactors. For what it's worth, Crispus Attucks, was one of those killed at the Boston Massacre, March 5, 1770 and Prince Estabrook was wounded on the Lexington green (the shot heard round the world) on April 19, 1775.

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: Pied Piper
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 09:12 AM

Thanks for your thoughts folks. Interesting to learn that the Cheshire rounds was bieng danced by black people in the 18c Greg; 3/2 hornpipes are a bit of an obsession with me at the moment I've played in bands with African Afro-Carribian and Asian musicians, mostly on traditional instruments and we never had a problem combining Europian folk stuff and a back line. The E-Ceilidh "movement" is adding back swing appropriate to trad dance tunes and reaching a wider audience as a result. All the best PP.

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: GUEST,wilco48
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 10:15 AM

Traditional music or "folk music" comes from everywhere, from every country, every ethnic or religious group, etc. Celtic Polkas, Delta blues, bluegrass, sacred harp, klezmer, southern gospel, "country," etc. are all types of folk music that I hear performed here in Tennessee.

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 10:22 AM

wilco48, where the heck are you, because I'm in "Music City" and there ain't hardly squat here, unless you're including people's living rooms in the equation. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: GUEST,John Hernandez
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:20 PM

I've heard more good music in people's living rooms than you can imagine, including what was one of Pete Seeger's best performances of the last several years. It was in the living room of Cy Adler in New York City in 2000, and the price of admission was a $25 donation to the Sloop Clearwater. Over the years, the people I have heard in living rooms at house concerts, musical parties, receptions, sing-arounds, jam sessions, etc., includes several that I listed above. In times past it has included Jimmy Collier and Rev. Frederick Douglass Kirkpatrick. I wouldn't scoff at people's living rooms. If you're in Tennessee, that's where you might just get to hear Sparky and Rhonda Rucker.

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: Kaleea
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 12:26 AM

A great many Bodhran players may believe that there is "a beat" going on in the music of the average Ceoli Band --definatly in the Ceoli band I play in! As for "swing," I have heard some mighty fine swingin' goin' on with many old time mountain music instrumentalists. I have also heard Patsy Cline, Hank Williams, Huddie Ledbetter, Bill Monroe, folk singers fom Japan, Germany, ---& come to think of it, Africa too--& many, many performers of various genres sing the "blues" & play "swing" (and there was a beat, too!)not just Billie Holiday! I happen to know that one 'catter who is a Canadian, (and a lurker here) & lover of Celtic music is usually considered "black" by the casual onlooker. When she felt a tremendous affinity with the Irish music I listened to much of the time when she worked with me out here in the midwest, I told her that she must have some "Celtic" blood burning in her genes. Turns out she is Welsh/Scot/Mexican/person with very dark skin. I think that for many people, the difference between so called regular people & people who love "folk music" is that we lovers of folk music are lovers of acoustic music. It goes beyond the music of the indigenous people of a given geographic region. Most people would not know a musical instrument if they tripped over it. Music is more than the sound made by an appliance in a car/boom box/noisemaker. An elderly ballerina I know said to me once (about 20 years back!), "The awful noise which passes for music these days is not art, and it lacks creativity. It is as if the creatures do not know their art, and instead attempt to make a sound which brings about only anger, fear and rage. This is not art, this is an attempt to control the thoughts of others through hypnotic means." Interesting opinion, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: Joe in the'pool
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:11 AM

Hiya all,

A Black mudcatter here! born and bred in Liverpool and a lover of maany types of music, if it moves me either musically or lyrically then I like it.

There are many Black musicians in this fair city who are also into 'folk' or any other name you care to use. I agree with a previous post about how, Blues, Rap, etc. is also akin to folk due to it's generic nature.

It may (or may not) be of interest to those of you who are pondering this question of who listens to what for me to give a present list of my popular favourite stuff.. Woody Guthrie - Alex Glasgow - Leadbelly - Pentangle - Duffy Power - Paul Robeson - Robert Johnson - Bob Dylan - Robert Lucas - Jimmy Rodgers - Mike Badger - Steve Roberts - Nick Drake - etc. etc. I was never really into Soul etc. as my elders were, so I was,nt, simple really.

Take care and NEVER be concerned about discussing issues such as these, its all healthy O.K.

Peace and Love Joe.

Subject: RE: BS: Are there any Black Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 01:59 PM

I wasn't scoffing at living rooms, and did not make any comment that would indicate such. I play plenty of them and enjoy it. But they're not open to the public, usually. The house concert hasn't caught on here in Nashville. What is open to the public, is 95% crap, geared toward country music tourists. Folk artists rarely come here, the only Celtic artists that ever come are the Chieftains and that's only about every three years. Dougie McLean was supposed to come here YEARS ago, and the show was cancelled. He hasn't been back since. For Nashville to be a diverse city, it just isn't reflected in the local (public) music offerings.

We do have a really hot mariachi band that plays the Mexican restaurant circuit, though. But that's about it.