Lyr ADD: The Banks Of The Roses

Subject: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 08:06 PM

Here is another version of the Banks of the Roses as sung to me by my grandmother from the Songs of Euphemia Prewett circa 1910. It seems it might be a link between the Banks of the Roses and the other versions at DT 311.

When I was a young man
My mother used to say
That I was a roving child
And easily led astray
Before I would work
I would sooner sport and play
By the bonnie sweet banks of Loch Lomond

By the bonnie, bonnie banks
It was there he sat doon
And took out a German flute
To play his love a tune
And in the middle of the tune
The lassie sobbed and cried
Oh Johnny, dear Johnny, dinae leave me

They wandered on and wandered on
'Til they came to a cave
Where Johnny all day
Had been diggin' at a grave
Where Johnny all day
Had been diggin' at a grave
To lay his sweet love among the roses

He took out a knife
It was long and twas sharp
And plunged it right in
To his bonnie lassies heart
He plunged it right in
To his bonnie lassies heart
And there layed her low among the roses.

Jeez the Scots can be depressing sometimes, its no wonder I have a dark edge having learned this at her knee at age four.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From:
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:18 PM

It's Banks of the Roses in DT #513.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 09:48 PM

Thanks anonymous, as I mentioned before, I could only find one version of The Banks of the Roses on the DT and it wasn't my grandmothers. I still can't pull up any by using a lyric search, as was suggested to me by Dick. The only way I can come uop with the versions is by first letter in the title, a method which I was advised was sometimes problematic. Oh well, thats what you get when you do things when you're stressed out. I would still be interested to know who Hamish Henderson is, the apparent source of this song.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From:
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 11:28 PM

Hamish Henderson was a Scottish folksong collector. I think Bill D. gave or mentioned a longer version collected from Lizzie Higgins in an old thread, but I haven't been able to relocate it. A forum search on 'Bill D.' didn't turn up very many of his postings.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:38 PM

Metochin
I checked, and there are FIVE versions in DT (#513) of Banks of the Roses. In the first one, they also reference the one called Banks of Red Roses (DT #311)

BANKS OF THE ROSES
BANKS OF THE ROSES (2)
BANKS OF THE ROSES (3)
BANKS OF THE ROSES (4)
BANKS OF THE ROSES (5)

DT #311
THE CRUEL SHIP'S CARPENTER
THE SHIP'S CARPENTER
DOWN IN A WILLOW GARDEN

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:45 PM

Ship's Carpenter should be THE SHIP'S CARPENTER

The one I show above as Banks of Red Roses is actually called Pretty Polly.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From:
Date: 17 Jan 00 - 05:47 PM

Still once more
Ship's Carpenter

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From: sheila
Date: 28 Jan 00 - 07:14 PM

To Metchosin- re Hamish Henderson. He was a major force at the School of Scottish studies in Edinburgh, and is also well-known as a poet. I believe he's still around. I tried to post this some time ago, but it doesn't seem to have shown up.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From: Susan of DT
Date: 28 Jan 00 - 10:17 PM

George - Banks of the Roses merely referenced DT 311 as a "see also" and thus did not have the # sign before the number. So a search for #311 would not bring it up.

Metchosin - that looks a lot like BANKROS3 Banks of the Roses (3)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
From: Metchosin
Date: 28 Jan 00 - 10:46 PM

Susan, it appears to be the same except for the reference to burying her in a cave and the German flute, although the German flute is referred to in version (4).

Subject: The Banks Of The Roses
From:
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 02:03 PM

I have a CD called "The Dubliners Greatest Hits" with a song called "The Banks Of The Roses" in which the first 4 lines goes something like this:

A sober black shawl hides her body entirely
Touched by the sun and the salt spray of the sea
But down in the darkness a slim hand so lovely
Carries a rich bunch of red roses for me

I cannot find the complete lyrics for this song anywhere, can somebody help me?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Banks Of The Roses
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 02:08 PM

Click Here

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Banks Of The Roses
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 02:12 PM

The Banks of the Roses is quite different: but also a great song!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Banks Of The Roses
From: The Nfkfiddler
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 02:22 PM

The lyrics you list are from "Red Roses for Me" "On the Banks of the Roses" starts 'On the banks of the roses my love and I sat down.........' Which do you want? I can post either or both when I get back home. (My work takes me away and to places like this)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Banks Of The Roses
From:
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 03:02 PM

Thank you very much for your help !

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Banks Of The Roses
From: IanC
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 04:05 AM

Peter

The lyrics, by Sean O'Casey, are here:

Red Roses For Me

:-)
Ian