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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:58 PM Well, see, there was this sheep from Leicester, and ... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:57 PM I obviously need to be more sober to access threads like this! Or maybe I need another drink. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Jun 06 - 07:52 PM "Leiscter scrheep"? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 29 Jun 06 - 07:03 PM LOL, Jon! Think it'll catch on? Also I much prefer Kevin's "feet remain below" to "where the larks do go" which I always thought was a bit of a naff line with that weak bland verb. The good old oral folk-process in action :-) Trying to sing "lest each reap" in that additional verse is all my worst nightmares coming true at once. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: concertina ceol Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:48 PM i'll get the hang of this cookie thing one day - that was me with the finery |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:25 PM "Finery" rather than "fine array" surely! meaning "glad rags" don't know anyone with a "fine array" - is it like an Aga? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Jon Bartlett Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:17 AM On my screen, there's a box for translation directly above the "Reply to Thread" box - try it! Jon Bartlett |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: MoorleyMan Date: 29 Jun 06 - 04:27 AM Hmm, this is fascinating Jon. Any chance of posting the aforementioned French translation please? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Jon Bartlett Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:36 AM I see where Dick Greenhaus doesn't understand the verses. I must say I was a bit confused, too - until I translated them (from English to French, then back again). Try singing this, Dick - all will become clear: ROLLIN' AT THE HOUSE Round disappears the wheel from fortune. Do not be afraid to go up. There is a ground of milk and honey awaits other side. There will be peace and there will be abundance. You will have to never wander, When we go rollin ' to the house, CHORUS: Rollin' with the house, rollin' at the house. Rollin', rollin', when we go rollin' to the house. People of the high society in his fine line, who thrive night and morning, While we with the fields must go to plow and sow corn. The rich person can steal the power, but glory is our characteristic, When we go rollin' to the house, when we go rollin' to the house. CHORUS The summer of the resentment, the winter of despair, the voyage to satisfaction is placed with the trap and the trap. True stand and stand together. Your work is your characteristic, When we go rollin' to the house, when we go rollin' to the house. CHORUS Freezing is on the edge of hedges. The winds glacials blow, While we of the hard-working poor mow strike by the glaze and snow. Our hopes fly until the glory, to the top from where the larks go, When we go rollin' to the house, when we go rollin' to the house. CHORUS Pass the round bottle thus and leave the toasts to go freely. Here a health with each worker, that which that it can be. Right wages now and never; let us collect what we sowed, When we go rollin' to the house, when we go rollin' to the house. CHORUS I especially like the line (v2, l3) about "glory is our characteristic". That would look well on a biker's jacket, wouldn't it? On the translation: it's a pity Babelfish haven't got Serbo-Croat on this site: you could even understand a Bob Dylan song using that! Jon Bartlett |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: sapper82 Date: 20 Jun 06 - 02:50 PM Apparently, John Tams said that he has heard several verses to Rolling Home that he never wrote! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:30 PM Verses 3 and 4 (as shown above) were added later. Nothing "supposed" about it. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Jun 06 - 08:17 PM All makes perfect sense. It's about solidarity. The line "When we go rolling home" has the same implications as "The day that the ship comes in" in Dylan's song. That is to say, "our day will come". (But in the meantime, rolling home from the pub after passing the bottle round can be a pretty good evocation of solidarity.) And the wheel of fortune in this context also implies revolution, with the last becoming first and the first last. .............. I prefer to sing the ending of the third verse Our dreams fly up to glory Our feet remain below, which seesm to me to fit better with trudging through the snow, however hopefully, than bringing the lark in out of season. I don't know if I made that up or heard it. Probabay the former. Which are the supposed added verses anyway? I've never hear it sung except with all those five verses, frequently repeated a couple of times. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Snuffy Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:40 PM The rich may steal the flour .... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: GUEST,padgett Date: 19 Jun 06 - 07:26 AM 'their corn?'[land owners] |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Little Robyn Date: 19 Jun 06 - 01:17 AM I think it's a mondegreen! Compare these: Our version: The gentry in his fine array, do prosper night and morn, While we unto the fields must go to plough and sow the corn. The rich may steal the power, but the glory's ours alone, When we go rollin' home,....... Sapper82's version: The rich man in his fine array, do rest and take his ease, Whilst we, poor humble labourers do plough and sow the fields; Why do we live in slavery, lest each reap what he sows, And we'll go rolling home,....... or is it this line? While we poor weary labourers strike through the sleet and snow. No wonder you can't make sense of it. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Mrs.Duck Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:51 PM Never heard that verse Sapper. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: sapper82 Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:21 PM So what about this verse:- The rich man in his fine array, do rest and take his ease, Whilst we, poor humble labourers do plough and sow the fields; Why do we live in slavery, lest each reap what he sows, And we'll go rolling home and we'll go rolling home! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: r.padgett Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:03 PM Rolling Home makes perfect sense to me (JTs) what dont you understand? Yes you do ride the wheel of fortune [like a ferris wheel, or a roulette wheel [you should take chances in life as they arise] dont be afraid to roam [take those chances even if they are outside of you current 'safe' routine] by doing so might lead to better things in life dont be subject to being some one elses source of wealth creation, do it for yourself!! Yep chorus or same sentiments sung after a good night out leads to feelings of 'lifes got to be better than this' if its not we can seek solace in afew beers!! Ray Ray |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Little Robyn Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM You're in the wrong Rolling Home. Try the shanty department - rolling home, By the light of the silvery moo-oo-oo-oon, I'm as happy as a king believe me, As I go rolling home. Robyn, with help from Mitch |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: GUEST,G.I. Joe Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:34 PM What is the history of Ive got sixpence jolly jolly sixpence?? RAF?? when, how far back? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: GUEST,jennifer thorp Date: 20 Sep 02 - 01:36 PM Hey thanks Liz, for your kind words you may have a hot tip to keep an eye on the Topic website this weekend - they've just told me they should be letting the new John Tams album out. Jennifer |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Sep 02 - 03:04 AM It's a folk song fer heaven's sake - how many songs actually make sense when you look at them as a piece of literature? Take hymns. How many of our great hymns actually make sense? When you're looking for a good rhyme, then grammar, logic and semantics go out the window! LTS |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: GUEST,jennifer thorp Date: 20 Sep 02 - 02:25 AM So why were the "additional verses" written and did JT really write them? If he did it would probably have been for a play - did anyone see The Big Picnic? I wonder if riding on the wheel of fortune is a legacy from the travelling fairground? Jennifer |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: dick greenhaus Date: 19 Sep 02 - 11:30 PM FIne tune. Great chorus. Wottinhell do the verses mean? One doesn't ride wheel of fortune. There's no "other side" for a "land of milk and honey" to reside. "You'll never need to roam" where? why? And the chorus sounds much more like leaving a late night pub session than any triumphant return to whatever. Don't get me wrong--I enjoy singing the chorus as much as anyone. But the verses? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home (Tams) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 19 Sep 02 - 08:17 PM I learned the original song many years ago (before the additional verses, which I've never much liked, were written), from a tape Tams had made. I heard it as Murray did. Fortunately for the world, Tam didn't write it in CAPITALS. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: Murray MacLeod Date: 19 Sep 02 - 12:42 PM I have always felt *Yhe gentry in his fine array who prosper night and morn" to be a bit if an iffy line.
Whatever Tams may or may not have written, it should IMHO be Murray |
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Subject: Lyr Add: ROLLING HOME (John Tams) From: GUEST,Guest RHJ Date: 19 Sep 02 - 12:31 PM ROLLIN' HOME
Round goes the wheel of fortune. Don't be afraid to ride.
CHORUS:
The gentry in his fine array, who prosper night and morn,
The summer of resentment, the winter of despair,
The frost is on the hedgerow. The icy winds do blow,
So pass the bottle round and let the toasts go free. REPEAT 1ST VERSE THEN CHORUS TWICE HTML line breaks added, and changed from all caps. --JoeClone, 22-Sep-02. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 19 Sep 02 - 10:51 AM I've got sixpence, jolly, jolly sixpence. I've got sixpence to last me all my life. I've got tuppence to spend and tuppence to lend and tuppence to send home to my wife, poor wife! No cares have I to grieve me, no pretty little girlies to deceive me. I'm happy as a lark, believe me as we go rolling, rolling home. Rolling home (rolling home!) Rolling home (rolling home!) By the light of the silvery moon. Happy is the day when the Air Corps gets its pay. As we go rolling, rolling home. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:18 AM John Tams tends to sing it at a speed that, rather than rolling, would indicate he was 'Galloping home', which as we all know is a musical piece recorded by the Simon Park Orchestra and used as the theme to the UK dramatised version of 'Black Beauty' that used to be on Sunday teatimes. I really must stop posting before I've had my daily chocolate..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: GUEST,jennifer thorp Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:16 AM Hi Murray The words I have on my website I took partly from a recording of Roy Bailey singing the song. John Tams sings it regularly in concert as an encore but by that time I'm too over-excited to be taking notes. I have a recording of him singing the first, second and last verses which are definitely the same as what Roy sang on the recording I took the other two verses from. Like I said, I waved the piece of paper under JT's nose as part of a general discussion of "have I got these words right"; I said I hadn't heard him sing the two Roy Bailey verses and were they his or Roy's and he said "I wrote them". But how closely he looked I don't know. Given his attitude on songs evolving and being changed to suit the singer and circumstances I'm not sure how important it is! cheers Jennifer |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: Murray MacLeod Date: 18 Sep 02 - 07:10 PM The words in the Mudcat thread linked to by the first GUEST are more accurate, (or at least they are what I have always heard sung) than the words linked to by GUEST Jennifer. Does anybody have a recording of John Tams singing this? Murray
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: breezy Date: 18 Sep 02 - 04:47 PM Dear Jennifer, thank you very much for your time and effort. I was listening to Folk on 2 while you were helping or did you hear it too. I owe you one, Fridays Blue Anchor, Snorbens. Thread now closed xxx |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: GUEST,jennifer thorp Date: 18 Sep 02 - 04:39 PM do beg your pardon, got the address wrong, it's here rolling home I don't claim it's definitive though. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: GUEST,jennifer thorp Date: 18 Sep 02 - 04:24 PM No, try this (very slightly different words which I did wave hopefully under the nose of the author and got no denial...) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When we go rolling home From: GUEST Date: 18 Sep 02 - 02:32 PM Try this: When we go rolling home |
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Subject: When we go rolling home From: breezy Date: 18 Sep 02 - 02:21 PM Could swear I saw the words here before or perhaps its me.Roy Bailey gets a rousing version going so I want to get all club members up for his visit on fri 1st Nov at the Comfort in St. Albans.Cheers one and all. Search for "rolling" threads |
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