Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune

Subject: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 04:14 AM

The tune is described in the American Book of Penguin Folk Songs as "ubiquitous", which it certainly is (Sweet Betsy from Pike, if you were wondering, btw). It obviously so well-known that it does for all manner of humorous and mock-serious songs and parodies all over the English-speaking world. But did Sam Cowan (author of Villikins and his Dinah, sung by music hall star George Leybourne) write the tune himself, or did he pinch it?

Steve

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 11:36 AM

Sam Cowell parodied quite a few traditional and broadside songs, and often used existing melodies; that would seem to be the case here, though he may perhaps have modified it a little. It may be that the same tune was previously used for William and Diana (or Dinah), which was the song being parodied, though I don't have information about that. Its widespread use subsequently, in that form, is down to him, at any rate; his work was very well-known and widely published, not least in his own Sam Cowell's 120 Comic Songs of c.1850. There are tunes that pre-date Cowell that appear to be related to Villikins; Paddy Whack being one.

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 02:31 AM

See also this thread: Lyr Req: Sweet Betsy History.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 04:54 AM

I have heard claims that this tune was used for several traditional songs - ie "All jolly fellows who follow the plough", before Cowell populised it. Does anyone know when "All jolly fellows" dates from and whether is was always sung to the "Villikins" tune.

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 09:16 AM

"All Jolly Fellows That Follow the Plough" is sung to the tune of "Villikins and His Dinah" by Bob Mills (Retired herdsman, Alredford, Hampshire) on An English Folk Music Anthology (Folkways, 1981)[LP]. The lyrics (of a different version) are posted by Snuffy HERE. However, the tune in S. Baring-Gould, Songs of the West, new and revised ed. (Methuen, [1905], p. 130) is different.

Two sheets are in the Bodleian Library broadisde collection, without tune names.

Printer: Catnach, J. (London)
Date: between 1813 and 1838
Imprint: J. Catnach, Printer, 2, Monmouth-court, 7 Dials
Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Johnson Ballads 148   
Ballads: 1. All jolly fellows that follow the plough ("When four o'clock comes then up we rise ...")
Subject: Agricultural laborers
Note: Slip

Printer: Harkness, J. (Preston)
Date: between 1840 and 1866
Imprint: John Harkness, Printer, 121 & 122, Church street; Office -- North Road, Preston. Printer's Series: (647).
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2
Copies: 2806 c.13(136)
Ballads: 1. A loving wife's appeal to her profligate husband. A recitation ("The ardent lover cannot find a coldness in his fair unkind ...")
2. All jolly fellows that follow the plough ("When four o' clock comes then up we rise ...")
Subject: Agricultural laborers

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 09:00 AM

Other songs to the tune of "Villikins and his Dinah" from the Bodleian Library collection:

Printer: De Marsan, H. (New York, N.Y.) Date: c.1860 Imprint: H. De Marsan, Publisher ... 60 Chatham St. N.Y. Printer's Series: (3). Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1 Note: Border: Ship. Coloured. Copies: Harding B 18(218) Ballads: 1. The great prize fight between Morrissey and Heenan, the Benicia boy, at Long Point, Canada, Oct. 20, 1858 ("Ye merry gay sportsmen, wherever you be ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah Subject: Prizefighting; Heenan, John C.

Printer: Pratt, W. (Birmingham) Date: c.1850 Imprint: William Pratt, Printer, 82, Digbeth, Birmingham. Printer's Series: (437). Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2 Copies: Johnson Ballads 1449 Ballads: 1. Nicholas and his rhino ("'Tis of a rich tyrant who in Russia did dwell ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah Subject: Crimean War, 1853-1856; Nicholas, I, Emperor of Russia, 1796-1855 2. King Canute ("In the merry old times of our ancestors ...")

Printer: The Poet's box (Glasgow) Date: 1870 Imprint: ... the Poet's Box ... Saturday, June 4, 1870. Ballads on sheet: 1 Note: Imprint defaced Copies: 2806 c.11(233) Ballads: 1. The back-door commission; or, The fiat against publicans and publichouses ("Shut the back-doors, lads, but first let us in ...") To the tune of: Villikins and Dinah Subject: Local government; Edinburgh (Scotland) Note: Slip

Printer: [s.n.] ([s.l.]) Date: 1855 Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1 Copies: Harding B 18(750) Ballads: 1. Nedward and his Fanny ("It's of a young clothier I'm going for to tell ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah.

Printer: Pratt, W. (Birmingham) Date: c.1850 Imprint: W. Pratt, Printer, 82, Digbeth, Birmingham. Printer's Series: (430). Ballads on sheet: 2 Copies: Harding B 13(178) Ballads: 1. Albert, Victoria, and Napier ("As Victoria and Albert together did stray ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah Subject: Crimean War, 1853-1856; Victoria, Queen of Great Britain, 1819-1901; Albert, Prince Consort of Victoria, Queen of Great Britain, 1819-1861; Napier, Charles, Sir, 1786-1860 2. Obadiah the fighting Quaker ("My name's Obadiah, a Quaker I am ...") Subject: French invasion scares

Printer: Andrews, J. (New York, N.Y.) Date: c.1860 Imprint: Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham St. N.Y. Ballads on sheet: 1 Copies: Harding B 18(323) Ballads: 1. John Dean and his own Mary Ann. Or, the gallant young coachman and the cruel father ("Oh listen to me while a story I tell ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah.

Printer: Moore, J. (Belfast) Date: between 1846 and 1852 Imprint: Printed and sold, by J. Moore, 1, Castle cour[t] Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1 Copies: Harding B 26(662) Ballads: 1. Villikins & his Dinah ("It's of a rich merchant in London did vell [sic] ...") Subject: Merchants; Cruel parents; Suicide Note: Slip

Printer: The Poet's box (Glasgow) Date: 1856 Imprint: Saturday, June 21, 1856 Ballads on sheet: 1 Copies: Firth c.22(79) Ballads: 1. Teetotal Sam ("Two jolly old fellows, some four months ago ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah Subject: Temperance; Drunkenness Note: Slip

Printer: Marks, J. (London) Date: c.1855 Imprint: Marks, Printer, 206, Brick Lane, Spitalfields Ballads on sheet: 3 Copies: Harding B 11(3694) Ballads: 1. The Sunday trading riot ("Oh, my friends have you heard of this terrible job ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah Subject: Sunday 2. Ben Bolt ("Oh don't you remember sweet Alice Ben Bolt ...") 3. Shells of the ocean ("One summer eve with pensive thought ...")

Printer: [s.n.] ([s.l.]) Date: [s.a.] Printer's Series: (9). Ballads on sheet: 2 Copies: 2806 c.15(275) Ballads: 1. The rigs of the feeing fair ("This morning I got early up ...") Subject: Fairs 2. Susy and Pat Murphy ("Och, it's of a rich farmer in Limerick did dwell ...") To the tune of: Villikins and his Dinah.

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 10:17 PM

Here's some info from the Ballad index:

Vilikens and his Dinah (William and Dinah) [Laws M31A/B]

DESCRIPTION: Dinah is in love with (William/Vilikens); her father insists that she will marry someone else. Dinah steals away, writes a note to her love, and drinks poison. Her love finds her body and in turn kills himself. They are buried in the same grave
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: M31A: before 1821 (broadside, Bodleian 2806 c.17(469)).
M31B: before 1853 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 26(662))
KEYWORDS: courting death poverty
FOUND IN: US(Ap,MA,MW,NE,So,SE) Canada(Mar) Britain(England(South),Scotland(Aber,Bord)) West Indies(Jamaica)
REFERENCES (30 citations):
Laws M31A, "William and Dinah A"/M31B "Vilikens and His Dinah (William and Dinah B)"
Scott-EnglishSB, pp. 64-65, "Vilikins and His DInah" (1 short text, 1 tune)
Wiltshire-WSRO Wt 345, "William and Dinah" (1 text)
GreigDuncan2 211, "Villikens and His Dinah" (1 fragment, 2 tunes)
Lyle-Crawfurd2 133, "Diana" (1 text)
Belden, pp. 147-148, "Wilkins and Dinah" (1 text)
Randolph 80, "Vilikens and Dinah" (1 text plus an excerpt, 1 tune)
Eddy 50, "Vilikens and his Dinah" (2 texts, 1 tune)
Gardner/Chickering 162, "Young Diana" (2 texts plus mention of 1 more, 1 tune; the "A" text is "William and Dinah"; "B" is "Vilikens")
JHCox 105, "Vilikins and His Dinah" (1 text)
Fuson, p. 90, "Billy and Diana" (1 short text)
BrownII 204, "Wilkins and His Dinah" (1 text plus 1 excerpt and mention of 3 more)
BrownSchinhanIV 204, "Wilkins and His Dinah" (2 excerpts, 2 tunes)
Morris, #181, "Wilkins and Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
Hudson 33, pp. 146-147, "Villikins and His Dinah" (1 text)
Boswell/Wolfe 25, pp. 46-47, "Wilkins and His Dinah (1 text, 1 tune)
Flanders/Brown, p. 49, "Dinah's Lovers" (1 text, in which William becomes "Sambo"!)
Linscott, pp. 301-303, "Willikins and His Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
Creighton-NovaScotia 17, "Diana and Sweet William" (1 text, 1 tune); 18, "Villikens and his Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
Leach, pp. 767-769, "Villkins and his Dinah" (2 texts)
Leach, pp. 180-181, Jimmy and Diana" (1 text)
Spaeth-ReadWeep, pp. 53-54, "Vilikins and His Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
WolfAmericanSongSheets, #2461, p. 165, "Vilikins and His Dinah! or, The Cup of Cold Pison" (2 references)
Darling-NAS, pp. 118-119, "William and Dinah" (1 text)
Silber-FSWB, p. 266, "Villikins And His Dinah" (1 text)
Fuld-WFM, pp. 603-604, "Vilikens and His Dinah -- (Sweet Betsey from Pike)"
DT 435, VILDINAH*
ADDITIONAL: Peter Davison, _Songs of The British Music Hall_, Oak, 1971, pp. 20-23, "Villikins and His Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune, a full music-hall version with much patter between musical portions.)
Aline Waites & Robin Hunter, _The Illustrated Victorian Songbook_, Michael Joseph Ltd., 1984, pp. 66-68, "Villikins and His Dinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
Martha W Beckwith, "The English Ballad in Jamaica: a Note Upon the Origin of the Ballad Form" in _Publications of the Modern Language Association_ [PMLA], Vol. XXXIXI, No. 2 (Jun 1924 (available online by JSTOR)), #10 pp. 479-482, "Adinah" (1 text, 1 tune)
Roud #271
RECORDINGS:
Logan English, "William and Dinah" (on LEnglish01)
BROADSIDES:
Laws M31A:
Bodleian, 2806 c.17(469), "William and Diana," G. Thompson (Liverpool), 1789-1820; also Harding B 15(379a), Harding B 11(3592), Harding B 11(1311), Johnson Ballads 1842, "William and Dinah"
Laws M31B:
Bodleian, Harding B 26(662), "Villikins and His Dinah," J. Moore (Belfast) , 1846-1852; also Firth c.18(231), Firth b.27(61), "Vilikens and His Dinah"; Firth b.27(159), Harding B 11(3981), Firth c.18(232), "Vilikins and His Dinah"; Harding B 11(3982), "Vilikins and His Dinah!"
LOCSheet, sm1854 551640, "Vilikens and His Dinah," Horace Waters (New York), 1854 (tune)
LOCSinging, as114360, "Villikins and Dinah," unknown, 19C
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Sweet Betsy from Pike [Laws B9]" (tune & meter)
cf. "The Grand Hotel" (tune & meter)
cf. "Squarin' Up Time" (tune & meter)
cf. "Blinded by Shit" (tune & meter)
cf. "Dinky Die" (tune)
cf. "Pokegama Bear" (tune)
cf. "The H'Emmer Jane" (tune)
cf. "Johnston's Hotel" (tune)
cf. "Moses Ritoora-li-ay" (tune)
cf. "Duncan Campbell (Erin-Go-Bragh)" [Laws Q20] (tune)
cf. "Four Horses" (tune)
cf. "Nothing at All" (tune)
cf. "Dalmuir Ploughing Match" (tune)
cf. "Hans and Katrina" (theme, lyrics, tune)
SAME TUNE:
Sweet Betsy from Pike [Laws B9] (File: LB09)
The Grand Hotel (File: FJ180)
Squarin' Up Time (File: FJ182)
Blinded by Shit (File: EM125)
Dinky Die (File: EM403)
Pokegama Bear (File: RcPokegB)
Johnston's Hotel (File: RcJohHot)
Four Horses (File: Rc4Horse)
Nothing At All (File: RcNoAtAl)
The Abolition Show (The Great Baby Show) (File: KPL454)
Dalmuir Ploughing Match (File: GrD3427)
We Sing of the Polar Bear (Pankake-PHCFSB, p. 43)
They Died as They Lived (per broadside Bodleian Firth b.27(61))
John Dean and His Own Mary Ann, or, The Gallant Young Coachman and the Cruel Father (plus two sequels) (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 77-78)
Mrs. Cunningham and the Baby ("A child must be born, an heir to Burdell") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 102)
The New York Ice-Man ("My name it is Michal from Dutchland I came") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 108)
Parody No. 2. on "Vilikins and His Dinah" ("There is a young damsel in Woodbridge doth dwell") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 123)
Pat and the Priest ("Pat fell sick on a time, and he sent for the Priest") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 124)
The Prince of Wales, No. 3 ("Ye Flora McFlinsey's and Frederick Fitz Foodles") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 130)
The Rich Country Gal and the Wicked City Chap (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 135)
Song of These Times ("Good people, all, I pray attend") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 148)
Susy and Pat Murphy ("Och, it's of a rich farmer in Limerick did dwell") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 152)
The Toper's Lament. A Doleful Ditty. ("It's come all you bold drunkards, and hear to my song") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 158)
The Two Lovers ("There was an old woman who somewhere did dwell") (WolfAmericanSongSheets p. 160)
The Yellow Haird Boy 16 Months Old ("Behind him now creeping on the carpeted floor") (WolfAmericanSongSheets, p. 183)
Uncle Abe, or A Hit at the Gimes ("In the town of Chicago as you know very well") (WolfAmericanSongSheets, p. 196)
Away to the Mountain/Away from the Mountain (both by A. D. Wheeler, [class of 18]27) (Henry Randall Waite, _Carmina Collegensia: A Complete Collection of the Songs of the American Colleges_ first edition 1868, expanded edition, Oliver Ditson, 1876, pp. 110-111)
Biennial (by Gilles Babcock, Jr., [class of 18]60) ("As Prex sat one evening a-talking with Linc") (Henry Randall Waite, _Carmina Collegensia: A Complete Collection of the Songs of the American Colleges_ first edition 1868, expanded edition, Oliver Ditson, 1876, p. 111)
Sing Tangent, Co-Tangent (by F. Browning, [class of 18]61) ("There was a Professor in New York did dwell") (Henry Randall Waite, _Carmina Collegensia: A Complete Collection of the Songs of the American Colleges_ first edition 1868, expanded edition, Oliver Ditson, 1876, p. 46)
Examinandum Est ("'Old Parabola' rose one fine morning in June") (by Hoffman and Lott, and with the listed tune of "Sing Tangent") (Henry Randall Waite, _Carmina Collegensia: A Complete Collection of the Songs of the American Colleges_ first edition 1868, expanded edition, Oliver Ditson, 1876, p. 70)
The Flunker ("There was a young man, who in New York did dwell") (with the listed tune of "Sing Tangent") (Henry Randall Waite, _Carmina Collegensia: A Complete Collection of the Songs of the American Colleges_ first edition 1868, expanded edition, Oliver Ditson, 1876, p. 70)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Diana
Jimmy and Diana
Billikins
NOTES: As Laws's numbers show, this ballad has two versions. The first, "William and Dinah," is a straightforward tragic piece. At some point this was rewritten as a comic piece, "Vilikens and His Dinah." The two retain enough similarity that they can still be treated as one song.
There are enough claims of authorship that I chose to leave the "Author" field empty. Jonathan Lighter and John Moulden, in posts to Ballad-L in 2010, reports that two early but undated printings in the Levy collection list John Parry as the author; another lists John Barnard. But sheet music attributions aren't always very reliable.
Waites & Hunter declare that the first singer of the comic version was one Frederick Robson, who alternated between comic and pathetic presentations -- and who would often stop in mid-performance, when the audience was laughing, and declare "This is not a comic song!" -- encouraging still more fits of laughter. According to Scott, it was his "most celebrated song. He introduced it at the Olympic Theatre, during Vestris and Planchet's management, and later at the Grecian Saloon."
In the department of Truly Useless Knowledge, we might note that the cat Dinah of Caroll's Through the Looking Glass derived its name from this song. The two cats kept by the Liddell family were Villikens and Dinah.
As for why Dinah is a character in the Alice books and Villikens wasn't... according to Colin Gordon, Beyond the Looking Glass: Reflections of Alice and Her Family, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1982, p. 113, the cat Villikens died of poison. I'm not making that up, although Gordon may have been.... - RBW
I have a problem with the Beckwith text and tune: a verse of "Little Musgrave" is in the middle of the first chorus. I believe that is an editing error, possibly caused by a misplaced page. Without that insertion, Beckwith has a good example of a "Vilikins" text, tune, chorus and all. Beckwith identifies the tune as "Springfield Mountain" but it is the tune commonly used for "Vilikins." - BS
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Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 10:21 PM

I also have two fiddle tunes "Little Peggy" and "Paddy Whack" using the Vilikins and Dinah melody. Are there more?

-Richie

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 10:49 PM

From American Memory:

(1) Vilikins and his Dinah!, or, The cup of cold pison. H. De Marsan, Publisher, 54 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(2) Parody No. 2. on "Vilikins and his Dinah." [n. p.] [n. d.]

(3) The rich country gal and the wicked city chap. Air: Vilikins and Dinah. H. De Marsan, Publisher, 60 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(4) The yellowed haired boy 16 months old. Air: Vilikins and Dinah. H. De Marsan, Publisher, ... 38 & 60 Chatham, St. N. Y. [n. d.]

(5) The Bellevue baby. Mrs. Cunningham's adopted. By the Saugerties Bard. Air--Vilikins. J. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham St. N. Y. [n. d.]

(6) The pig palloon schip. Vat's come to Europe on de ski? Air: Vilikins and his Dinah! H. De Marsan, Publisher, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(7) The Washington tragedy. Air, Vilikins and his Dinah. April 1859.

(8) The two lovers. Tune: Vilikins and his Dinah. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(9) The two lovers. A highly romantic song, to the tune of Vilikins and his Dinah. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(10) Vilikins and his Dinah! Or, the cup of cold pison. New York, Andrews [ca. 1854].

(11) Vilikins valse / by H. Kotzschmar. Portland: J. S. Paine, 1855.

(12) Vilikins and his Dinah schottisch / by James Bellak. New York: Horace Waters, 1855.

(13) Vilikins and his Dinah polka / by Ja's. Bellak. Philadelphia: Lee and Walker, 1855.

(14) Vilikins and his Dinah waltz / by James Bellak. New York: William Hall and Son, 1855.

(15) Vilikins and his Dinah waltz / by James Bellak. New York: William Hall and Son, 1855.

(16) Vilikins and his Dinah polka-redowa / by W. D. Raphaelson. New York: Dressler and Clayton, 1855.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 02:19 AM

From American Memory (Part II):

(1) Villikins & Dinah. [n. p.] [n. d.]

(2) Villikins and Dinah. As sung by Bill Lake, at Spalding & Rogers' Circus, Muncy, Sept. 7, 1855.

(3) The New York ice-man. By A. S. Air: Villikins and his Dinah. H. De Marsan, Publisher, 38 & 60 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(4) Martha -- My dear old home -- Bold soldier boy -- Cauliflower -- Villikins and his Dinah -- Coming thro' the rye. Philadelphia: Edward L. Walker, 1856.

(5) A new song for Sherman & Sheridan. Air- "Villikins and his Dinah." [n. p.] [n. d.]

(6) The great prize fight. No. 3. Air: Villikins and his Dinah. H. De Marsan, 60 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(7) The rich country gal and the wicked city chap. Tune.-Villikins and Dinah. J. H. Johnson, Song Publisher and printer, No. 7 North Tenth street, Philadelphia. [n. d.]

(8) Uncle Abe, or A hit at the times. Air- Villikins and his Dinah. [n. p.] [n. d.]

(9) Uncle Abe, or A hit at the times. Air-"Villikins and his Dinah." [n. p.] [n. d.]

(10) John Dean and his own Mary Ann No. 2. Air--Villikins and his Dinah. J. Andrews, Publisher, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(11) John Dean and his own Mary Ann No. 2. Air: Villikins and his Dinah. J. Andrews, Publisher, 38 Chatham St., New York. [n. d.]

(12) John Dean the gallant young coachmen and his own Marianna. no. 3. By John F. Doyle. Air--Villikins and his Dinah. J. Andrews, Publisher, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(13) John Dean the gallant young coachman and his own Marianna. By John F. Doyle. Air: Villikins and his Dinah. No. 3. J. Andrews, Publisher, 38 Chatham St, New York. [n. d.]

(14) Susy & Pat Murphy. Air- "Villikins and his Dinah." Louis Bonsal, Bookseller, &c., Cor. Baltimore and Frederick Sts, Baltimore, Md. [n. d.]

(15) Mrs. Cunningham and the baby. Air--Villikins and his Dinah. J. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(16) Villikins and his Dinah, with variations, op. 662 / by Charles Grobe. Boston: Oliver Ditson, 1856.

(17) A brief history of the marriage of John Dean and his own Mary Ann. Air--Villikins and his Dinah. J. Andrews, Publisher, 38 Chatham St., N. Y. [n. d.]

(18) Medley quick step / by B. A. Burditt. [Pop goes the weasel -- Villikins and his Dinah -- A little more cider too.. ] Boston: Oliver Ditson, 1855.

(19) John Dean and his own Mary Ann, or, The gallant young coachman and the cruel father. Air--Villikins and his Dinah. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

(20) The mocking bird cotillons / by Sep. Winner. ["Hold your horses -- Mocking bird -- Villikins and his Dinah -- Lulu -- Aunt Jemima's plaster"] Philadelphia: Winner and Shuster, 1856.

(21) The Prince of Wales. No. 3. Air.--Villikins and his Dinah. H. De Marsan, 60 Chatham St., N.Y. [n. d.]

(22) Hans un his Katarina. A dismally doleful Dutch ditty by Snyderskype. Published by Creager & Graham, 520 West Baltimore Street, Baltimore, Md. [n. d.] ["One of our 'native poets' has constructed out of some raw material which he had on hand, a new song to the tune of 'Villikins and his Dinah' which has been handed to us for publication. We are sure that the fun of the thing will render it equally popular with its great prototype."]

(23) The plantation quadrilles / by Richard Percy. Boston: Oliver Ditson, 1857. ["Sing darkies sing, and Lucy Long; Bobbin around, and Jeannette and Jeannot; Villikins and his Dinah, Pop goes the weasel, and Few days; Wait for the waggon and our own laughing Nell; Stop dat knocking, Sparking Sunday night, and Cheer boys cheer"]

(24) Susy and Pat Murphy. Air--"Villikins and his Dinah." [n. p.p] [n. d.]

(25) John Dean and his own Mary Ann, or, The gallant young coachman and the cruel father. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham St. N. Y. [n. d.] ["Or, the Gallant Young Coachman and the Cruel Father. Air--Villikins and his Dinah."]

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 02:58 AM

From the Bodeian Library (Part II):

Printer: Ryle, A. and Co. (London)
Date: between 1845 and 1859
Imprint: Ryle & Co., Printers, Monmouth-court, 7 Dials
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2
Copies: Harding B 11(3982)
Johnson Ballads 1136
Ballads: 1. Vilikins & his Dinah! ("'Tis of a rich merchant, who in London does dwell ...")
Subject: Merchants; Cruel father
2. The merry men of England ("Oh! the merry men of England ...")
Subject: Patriotism

Printer: Andrews, J. (New York, N.Y.)
Date: c.1860
Imprint: J. Andrews, Printer, 38 Chatham St., N.Y.
Printer's Series: (5).
Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Harding B 18(37)
Ballads: 1. The Bellevue baby mrs. Cunningham's adopted ("A doctor of note in New York did dwell ...")
Author: Saugerties Bard (Pseudonym)
To the tune of: Vilikins
Subject: Murder

Printer: Ryle, A. and Co. (London)
Date: between 1845 and 1859
Imprint: Rial & Co. Printers Monmouth Court, 7 Dials.
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Firth b.26(210)
Firth c.16(195)
Harding B 14(279)
Johnson Ballads 1087
Ballads: 1. Darbee & his Dizzy ("Tis of a great sportsman, in London did dwell ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Politics and government - 19th century; Disraeli, Benjamin, Earl of Beaconsfield, 1804-1881

Printer: Ryle, A. and Co. (London)
Date: between 1845 and 1859
Imprint: Rial and Co., Printers, 2 & 3 Monmouth-Court, Seven Dials
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Firth c.16(180)
Ballads: 1. Victoria, Albert & Napier ("As Victoria and Albert together did stray ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Victoria, Queen of Great Britain, 1819-1901

Printer: Ryle, A. and Co. (London)
Date: [1858]
Imprint: Rial & Co., Printers, Monmouth Court, 7 Dials
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Note: Harding B 14(289) is stamped: Harvard College Library, Aug. 15, 1916, Kittredge fund.
Copies: Firth b.26(225)
Firth c.16(446)
Harding B 14(289)
Johnson Ballads 1096
Ballads: 1. John Bull & his ally ("John Bull is kept under some say, and forlorn ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Politics and government - 19th century; 1858; Napoleon, III, Emperor of the French, 1808-1873

Printer: [s.n.] ([s.l.])
Date: [s.a.]
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2
Copies: Firth b.27(159)
Ballads: 1. Nothing more ("In a valley fair I wander'd ...")
2. Vilikins and his Dinah ("'Tis of a rich merchant who in London does dwell ...)

Printer: Harkness, J. (Preston)
Date: between 1840 and 1866
Imprint: J. Harkness, Printer, Church Street, Preston. Printer's Series: (774).
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2
Copies: Harding B 11(3981)
Ballads: 1. Vilikins and his Dinah ("Oh! 'tis of a rich merchant, in London did dwell ...")
Subject: Merchants; Cruel father
Note: Verse and prose
2. The lady and weaver ("It's of a rich merchant near London did dwell ...")
Subject: Women sailors; Astrology

Printer: [s.n.] ([s.l.])
Date: [s.a.]
Printer's Series: (172).
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Firth c.18(232)
Ballads: 1. Vilikins and his Dinah ("'Tis of a rich merchant, who in London did dwell ...")
Subject: Merchants; Cruel father; Suicide
Note: Slip

Printer: [s.n.] ([s.l.])
Date: [s.a.]
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 9
Copies: Harding B 40(22)
Ballads: 1. Thou art gone from my gaze ("Thou art gone from my gaze, like a beautiful dream ...")
2. Vilikins and his Dinah! ("'Tis of a rich merchant who in London did dwell ...")
3. The light of other days ("The light of other days is faded ...")
Author: Bunn, A.
4. The battle of Trafalgar -- death of Nelson ("'Twas in Trafalgar's bay ...")
Author: Arnold, Samuel James
Subject: Nelson, Horatio Nelson, Viscount, 1758-1805
5. Hurra for the thistle ("Hurrah for the thistle! the brave Scottish thistle ...")
6. The bloom is on the rye ("My pretty Jane, my pretty Jane! ...")
Author: Fitzball, Edward
7. Lowden's bonny woods and braes ("Loudon's bonny woods and braes ...")
8. Cab! cab! ("I goes out cab driving ...")
Subject: Hansom cabs
9. Pop goes the weazel! ("A country lad the other day come all the way from Berkshire ...")
Subject: Countryman in London

Printer: Ryle, A. and Co. (London)
Date: between 1845 and 1859
Imprint: Rial, Printer, Monmouth Court, Seven Dials
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Note: Harding B 13(312) is stamped: Harvard College Library, Aug. 15, 1916, Kittredge fund.
Copies: Firth c.16(353)
Harding B 13(312)
Johnson Ballads 1132A
Ballads: 1. The Sunday trading riot ("Oh, my friends have you heard of this terrible job ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Sunday

Printer: Hodges, E.M.A. (London)
Date: between 1855 and 1861
Imprint: Printed and Published by E. Hodges, (from Pitts) Wholesale Toy & Marble warehouse, 26, Grafton Street, Soho
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 2
Copies: Firth c.16(352)
Ballads: 1. Sunday trading riot ("Oh, my friends, have you heard of this terrible job ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Sunday
2. Jimmie. (A parody on Minnie) ("When my spirits are high, if I've cash in my cly ...")

Printer: Burton, J. (Leicester)
Date: [s.a.]
Imprint: J. Burton, Machine Printer, Haymarket, Leicester
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Johnson Ballads 1848
Ballads: 1. "Vilikins and his Dinah". New version ("A wealthy old Quaker near Belgrave did dwell ...")
Subject: Parliamentary elections, Leicester

Printer: De Marsan, H. (New York, N.Y.)
Date: c.1860
Imprint: H. De Marsan, Publisher ... 38 & 60 Chatham St. N.Y.
Illus. Ballads on sheet: 1
Note: Border: Horned imp.
Copies: Harding B 18(495)
Ballads: 1. The yellow haired boy 16 months old ("Behold him now creeping on the carpeted floor ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and Dinah
Subject: Children

Printer: Browne ([s.l.])
Date: [s.a.]
Imprint: Browne, Typ.
Ballads on sheet: 1
Copies: Johnson Ballads fol. 296
Ballads: 1. The Andover election, or "The old merchant's son" ("Of an old merchant's son I'm going for to tell ...")
To the tune of: Vilikins and his Dinah
Subject: Parliamentary elections

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 10:40 AM

Richie, there are more if you go to the other threads on this subject (The Old Orange Flute same tune).

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 11:30 AM

From The Fiddler's Companion: Result of search for "Villikins and His Dinah":

LITTLE PEGGY'S [2]. AKA and see "Paddy Whack." American?, Jig. G Major. Standard. AABB. The tune is a member of the "Villikins and His Dinah" tune family. Cole (1001 Fiddle Tunes), 1940; pg. 68.

PADDY WHACK [1] (Paidin An Bualadoir). AKA and see "When/While History's Muse," "Whoop! do me no harm, good man," "The Green Joke," "Harp that in Darkness." Irish, Scottish, English, American; Double Jig. USA; New York, southwestern Pa. England, Shropshire. G Major (Ashman, Ford, Kerr, O'Neill, Peacock, Phillips, Raven): D Major (Bayard): A Major (Cole, Miller & Perron). Standard. AB (Bayard, Peacock, Raven): AABB (Ashman, Cole, Ford, Kerr, Miller & Perron, O'Neill, Phillips): AABB' (O'Neill/1001). The tune, which is of the "Villikins and His Dinah" tune family, has been often published from the later 18th century on in both fiddle and fife collections; some later publications have called it "Paddy O'Whack." John Glen (1891) finds the earliest Scottish printing of it in Robert Ross's 1780 collection (pg. 7). Cited as having commonly been played at Orange County, New York, country dances in the 1930's (Lettie Osborn, New York Folklore Quarterly). Sources for notated versions: Walter Neal (Armstrong County, Pa., 1952) and Hiram Horner (fifer from Westmoreland and Fayette Counties, Pa., 1963) [Bayard]; a c. 1837-1840 MS by Shropshire musician John Moore [Ashman]; Jehile Kirkhuff (Pa.) [Phillips/1995]. Ashman (The Ironbridge Hornpipe), 1991; No. 116b, pg. 48. Bayard (Dance to the Fiddle), 1981; No. 543A-B, pg. 484. Cole (1001 Fiddle Tunes), 1940; pg. 59. Ford (Traditional Music in America), 1940; pg. 32. Kerr (Merry Melodies), Vol. 1; No. 45, pg. 40. Miller & Perron (New England Fiddler's Repertoire), 1983; No. 25. O'Neill (Krassen), 1976; pg. 21. O'Neill (1850), 1903/1979; No. 759, pg. 141. O'Neill (1001 Gems), 1907/1986; No. 43, pg. 24. Peacock (Peacock's Tunes), reprint1980; No. 22, pg. 7. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), 1989; pg. 38-39. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), Vol. 2, 1995; pg. 375. Raven (English Country Dance Tunes), 1984; pg. 118.
T:Paddy Whack [1]
L:1/8
M:6/8
S:O'Neill - 1001 Gems (43)
K:G
c|BGB cde|dBG A2G|GBd efg|fdd d2e/f/|gbg gfd|c>de dBG|GAB cAd|BGG G2:|
|:B|GBd g>fg|edc BAG|GBd e>fg|fdd d2z|1 GBd g>fg|edc BAGT|GAB cAd|BGG G2:|2
(e/f/)|gbg afd|c>de dBG|GAB cAd|BGG G2||

VILLIKINS AND HIS DINAH. An extensive tune family which includes "Little Peggy" and "Paddy Whack."
...............................................

The earlier version of "Paddy Whack" (double jig) was in J. Rutherford, ed., Rutherford's Compleat Collection of 200 of the Most Celebrated Country Dances (c1756), whose tune is copied in Aloys Fleischman, Sources of Irish Traditional Music c.1600-1855, vol. 1 (Garland, p. 281 [no. 1479]).

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 09:02 PM

This won't cast any light whatsoever on the origins of the tune, but the tune is also used for "The Thrashing Machine", which is pretty ubiquitous in England:

'Twere in the West Country as I?ve heard it tell,
There lived a young maid, and her name it were Nell.
Now her was so handsome an? just seventeen,
And her longed for a ride on me thrashing machine.

I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I ay;
I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I ay;
I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I 'ad 'er, I ay;
An' I ups an' I shows 'er the West Country way.

'Twere one summer's morning in the merry month of May,
When most of the farmers were out making hay,
I cocks up my ear'ole and I hears a girl scream,
I says, Ah, there goes sweet Nell on me thrashing machine.

'Twere one summer's evening in the merry month of June,
When mwost of the farmers were espyin' the moon,
I says, Come to the baarn dear, where us can't be seen,
And I'll show 'ee the works of me thrashing machine.

We went to the baarn and I took her inside
And said, "If you're good I might give 'ee a ride"
It stood there all sparkling and shiny and clean
She said "Now that's what I call a thrashing machine"

Well, the flywheels and pistons were a'going around,
When out the steam whistle come a 'orrible sound.
I puts down my hand for to cut off the steam,
But the gaff had been blown from me thrashing machine.

Now six months have passed and all is not well
There's something the matter with our little Nell
For under her apron can plainly be seen
The works of my naughty old thrashing machine

'Twere nine short months later a babby she bore,
The pride of his mother he were to be sure,
And under his nappy could plainly be seen,
A brand new two cylinder thrashing machine!

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 09:58 PM

The tune is also used for a a song I learned in Missoula, Montana 40 years ago, called THE BUTTE MINERS SONG.

Here's a link to my recording of it;



My Sweetheart;s A Mule In The Mines/ The Butte Miners Song

I learned it from Jay Rummel, and it was written by a Butte miner named Jim Gallagher.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Help: Origin of Villikins&Dinah tune
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 05:43 AM

Freda Palmer, traditional singer from Oxfordshire, can be heard singing "Willikins and Dinah" on a forthcoming double Musical Traditions CD which will contain all of her recorded repertoire.