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Origins: Poor Babes in the Woods

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BABES IN THE WOOD (3)
BABES IN THE WOOD 2
PRETTY BABES IN THE WOOD
THE BABES IN THE WOOD (4)


Related threads:
Lyr Add: Babes in the Wood (from Mary Black) (6)
(origins) Lyr Req: Children in the Wood (32)
Lyr Req: Babes in the Wood (3) (closed)
Tune Req: Babes in the Wood (Copper Family) (12)


In Mudcat MIDIs:
The Babes in the Wood [William Gardiner (uncredited in the sheet music)] (from Billy Weekes' personal collection)
The Babes in the Woods (published by Carr's Musical Repository (Levy Sheet Music Collection))


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Subject: poor babes in the woods
From: Philip Hudson
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 03:27 AM

There is a "bar room ballad" that has the following ending:
"And when they were dead
the robin so red
brought strawberry leaves
and all over them spread
o sing a sad song
a sad little song
poor babes in the woods
poor babes they are dead."

Does anyone know the first part of this song? I would like to see it.

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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Al B
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 04:52 AM

Hi I've just asked about a simliar song. I think it was on Folk Songs of Olde England, by Tim hart & Maddy Prior,

Sorry to "tread on your toes" as it were, shows I should have looked at the list before posting


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 05:04 AM

I deleted the competing thread to avoid confusion, Al. That song sounds mighty familiar, but all I can recall is "Pooooooor babes in the woods....."
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 07:21 AM

From the Copper Family "Little Babes in the Woods", I'll post later if it's not in the DT or someone doesn't do it sooner. Barry


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: aldus
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 07:23 AM

Is this perhaps a version of The Greenwood Sideo... It has a very familiar sound to it. There are many different versions.....Joan Baez does a very good one as does Frankie Armstrong. If it is this song.. I believe it is in the Data Base, though perhaps not under that title.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BABES IN THE WOODS (from Copper family)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 02:18 PM

BABES IN THE WOOD

O, don't you remember, a long time ago
Those two little babes, their names I don't know?
They strayed away one bright summer's day,
Those two little babes got lost on their way.
Chorus:
Pretty babes in the wood, pretty babes in the wood,
O, don't you remember those babes in the wood
Now the day being gone & the night coming on,
Those two little babies sat under a stone.
They sobbed & they sighed & they sat there & cried,
Those two little babes they laid down & died.
Ch:

Now the robins so red, how swiftly they sped,
They put out their wide wings & over them spread.
And all the day long on the branches they thronged,
They sweetly did whistle & this was their song.
Ch:

From "Bob & Ron Copper", Folk-Legacy 1964. The sleeve notes by Peter Kennedy say that this song, although widely reported in America, only one other version has been found, always in Southern England. He also says it appears to be a fragment of a much longer ballad of broadside origin.
For those who may not be familiar with the Copper family, they would be worth making a pilgrimage, twice I've seen them & I don't think I'll ever hear better. They trace themselves back to 1611 in around Rottingdean, on the Sussex seaboard of England. Their songs were collected & appeared in the 1st Journal of the English Folk Song Society, 1899. It was from this family that we get much of the English songs done be the Watersons, Steeleye Span, Frankie Armstrong, Silly Sisters, John & Tony, etc,etc,etc,etc. I don't think there's a singer who hasn't touched on the Coppers, if they at all touch English songs. Barry


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Philip Hudson
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 06:38 PM

Thanks to Barry Finn

The words are not exactly as my mother sang it, but it scans with the tune she sang it to, so I'm sure it is the same song. I am interested in songs that have a "bar room ballad" touch that was designed to make the drinker more maudlin and drink more. I don't know when the Babes in the Woods song was originated but it was surely used in the bars and saloons of the late 19th century. I have this straight from my grandmothers who remembered the times (but who never actually entered the bars, of course). Philip Hudson


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 06:56 PM

Were there collections of songs printed specifically meant to be sung in saloons and at clubs? I have a joke book which apparently was supposed to be used in such places.


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Philip Hudson
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 07:09 PM

I don't know if they had books collecting the maudlin ballads. If they did, I would like to see some. Going from my knowledge of the variations of words and tunes, there may not have been books but there was sheet music. I have found some on:

http://levysheetmusic.mse.jhu.edu/index.html

and some in this data base. But, for example, "Put My Little Shoes Away" and "MY MOTHER WAS A LADY", both of which, I believe, are in this data base and in the levy file above, have words and tunes that differ considerably from the ones sung to me by my mother and both grandmothers. I usually like my mother's and gmothers' versions better - hey they sang them to me when I was two and three. - Philip Hudson


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Bruce O.
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 07:37 PM

The full original of 1595 is indexed in my broadside ballad index at ZN1966. It's Laws Q34 and a search on 'Q34' turns up 2 texts in DT.


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Susan of DT
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 07:40 PM

a search for [babes in the wood] gets you two versions in the DT


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 08:30 PM

G'day Philip,

I don't know how successful was the ploy of presenting maudlin music - the song, or at least one tune to it, survives in the Australian country regions as a popular tune for the old dance, the Varsovienne.

Varso tunes are in 3/4 but have a distinctive rhythm on top of that, with a "Turn around and point" 2 bar rhythm in the first part and a Mazurka rhythm for the energetic second part. A typical example of the first part rhythm is "Happy Birthday to You". Varsos certainly would not be described as "maudlin" and the dance was a bit scandalous in its day, since the "point" could show off quite an unseemly amount of ankle!

The words are certainly remembered. Most old players who played this tune called it by the name "Babes in the Wood" and I can remember playing in country areas and someone - usually a woman - from the audience buttonhling me and saying "Do you know that there are words to that tune, and repeating at least the first stanza, pretty much as quoted here.

I must say that the tune I know by this name does not seem to be the same as that sung in America - at least if I can take Garison Keilor's rendition of his parody on "Songs of the Cat" as representative.

I think this song has a long history in England and, like many of its ilk, was irreverently reworked by the Music Hall in the latter part of the 19th century.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 09:51 PM

I'm back to search 101, tried to search it a couple different ways, didn't get any hits, so I posted it. My spelling may have been the cause too. Barry


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Philip Hudson
Date: 02 Jun 98 - 10:25 PM

Howdy, Bob Bolton and others

Yes, the tune to Babes in the Woods that I know is definitely maudlin. It is 3/4. I used to be something of a musician but, alas, time and tide. But I still can write a tune that I know on a staff. The problem is, how does one send a tune over the internet? I'd be glad to send it to you by snail mail but, of course, I can't send a lot of snail mail because of the cost. I would like to find a lot of the songs my grandmothers sang. Do you know "Put my Little Shoes Away", "My Mother was a Lady". "Going back to Texas", "Little Green Valley", "Do Roses Bloom in Heaven", "Streets of Laredo", 'Red River Valley", "Joe the Wrangler", "We Traced her Footprints in the Snow"? There are a bunch of them. Some of them are from old English tunes and some of the words remain the same. Some are more recent. My e-mail is Hudsonpw@aol.com and as per the "Howdy", I am a Texan. - Philip Hudson


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Subject: ADD:Two Little Babes in the Wood (Cole Porter)^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:45 PM

I came across these lyrics when I was looking up something for the current Broadway thread. Gee, I'd love to hear a recording of this. I wonder what tune Cole Porter used.
-Joe Offer-
TWO LITTLE BABES IN THE WOOD
(Cole Porter)

Published February 1928, with other songs from Paris (1928). Introduced by Julia Silvers and George Hale. Dropped from the Greenwich Village Follies before October 13, 1924. Porter made a piano-vocal recording for Victor (24825) on November 27, 1934. Irene Bordoni, who sang it in Paris, recorded it on May 3 and June 24, 1928, but neither recording was released.
The version printed here was found at the Warner Brothers Music warehouse in Secaucus, New Jersey. It includes the words and music for the two announcements that precede the two verses. The announcements were dropped from the 1928 Paris version.


PART I. ANNOUNCEMENT.


Listen, my children, and don't say a word.

Now, you'll grant me that Denmark has ne'er had a grander son,
Than her great author, old Hans Christian Andersen.
All of you know him, so just to be good to you,
I'll tell his tale of the Babes in the Wood to you.


VERSE 1


There's a tale of two little orphans who were left in their uncle's care,
To be reared and ruled and properly schooled
Till they grew to be ladies fair.
But, oh, the luckless pair!
For the uncle, he was a cruel trustee,

PART II. ANNOUNCEMENT.

Listen, my children, and don't say a word.

Now in spite of all efforts to strengthen and quicken it,
Andersen's tale never had any kick in it.
So his descendant, John Murray, in fantasy,
Added a scene for the tired businessman to see.

VERSE 2

They were lying there in the freezing air,
When fortunately there appeared
A rich old man in a big sedan,
And a very, very fancy beard.
He saw those girls and cheered,
Then he drove them down to New York town,
Where he covered them with useful things,
Such as bonds, and stocks, and Paris frocks,
And Oriental pearls in strings,
And a showcase full of rings.

REFRAIN 2

Now those two little babes in the wood,
Are the talk of the whole neighborhood,
For they've too many cars, too many clothes,
Too many parties, and too many beaux,
They have found that the fountain of youth
Is a mixture of gin and vermouth,
And the whole town's agreed
That the last thing in speed
Is the two little babes in the wood.

Source: The Complete Lyrics of Cole Porter, by Robert Kimball, 1983.
JRO


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Subject: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST,mcharlton@iw.net
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 05:01 PM

Looking for any information on where to acquire a copy of a recording of this song. Also any write-ups of the known history of this song.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 05:27 PM

It's a fragment of a ballad of 1595. See ZN1966 in the broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw, "Norfolk gentleman', later called "The Children in the Wood".


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: Stewie
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 05:51 PM

Do a Google search on "Poor babes in the wood" and you will find links to lyrics in Mother Goose, Wolf Collection, Warner Collection and several others, including this one.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 07:12 PM

The Coppers (Bob and Ron) recorded this on cassette back in the good old days.Its still a popular 'Trad' song over here in U K. Check out
Copper Family for recordings.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 07:14 PM

Put "Laws Q34" into Lyrics & Knowledge Search box at the top.

Recordings (and books) at Folk Music Index are:

The Babes in the Woods [Laws Q34]

At - Two Babes in the Wood
1. American Balladry from British Broadsides, Amer. Folklore Society, Bk (1957), p290 (Children in the Wood)
2. Copper, Bob and Ron. English Shepherd and Farming Songs, Folk Legacy FSB-019, Cas (1964), cut#A.07
3. Gear, Harry. American Ballads and Songs, Scribners, Sof (1922/1972), #115
4. Hart, Tim; and Maddy Prior. Folk Songs of Olde England. Vol. 1, Mooncrest Crest 23, LP (196?), cut#B.06
5. Hewitt, Emma. Traditional Ballads Mainly from West Virginia, WPA, Bk (1939), 22
6. Karl and Harty. Karl and Harty's Fireside Songs, Dave Minor, Fol (194?), p61
7. Ledford, Lilly Mae. Banjo Pickin' Girl, Greenhays GR 712, LP (1983), cut#B.06
8. Riddle, Almeda. Anglo-American Folksong Style, Prentice-Hall, Sof (1968), 6.13
9. Whitfield Girls. Rackensack. Volume 2, Driftwood LP 279, LP (1972), cut#A.06

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 07:20 PM

Info from folktrax:

BABES IN THE WOOD, THE - "O don't you remember a long time ago?" "Now ponder well you parents dear" - LAWS: Q34 (p29 & 200) "The Children in the Wood" - ROUD#288 - In Pepys Diary of 1660s and Dr Johnson knew it well enough to parody ((Jeff Warner) - PERCY Reliques 3 - RIMBAULT Musical Illustr p108 - HALLIWELL NRE 1842/53 - BSs: Firth, Pearson (Manchester), Sanderson (Edinburgh) - CHAPPELL PMOT 1858 p200 - CHRISTIE TBA 1876 I 142 (13v) - MASON NRCS 1877 p22 Mitford family, Northumberland - ASHTON MSB 1888 pp124-7 ("It's a woeful bad tale I'm about to relate") comic ballad on theme - BARING-GOULD Nursery Songs 1895 p40 - SHARP Ms 2860 from Thomas Baldwin, Armcote Field 1913 - WILLIAMS FSUT 1923 p217 #229 Frederick Falconer, Black Bourton, Oxfordsh (w/o) "Two Babes in the Wood" (from King family, Castle Eaton, who pron "good" as "yood") - HARVEY East Anglia 1936 p88 - JEFDSS 1949 p16 Shaw Shetland 1v only - COPPER SESB 1971 pp198-9 Family, Rottingdean, Sussex 3v/m - PALMER EBECS 1975 #56 pp106-7 Gilchrist: Mrs Jenner, Kent c1907 (with verses added from Halliwell 1853) --- SHARP FSSA 1917/32 #47(vol 1p309) Philander Fitzgerald, Nash, Va 1918 - McGILL (Kentucky Mountains) p104 - JAFL 35 p348 - LEACH Labr p140 - BREWSTER Indiana 1940 p313 - HUDSON FSM p285 George Swetnam, Mississippi (w/o) - MORRIS FSOF 1950 p401-7 Mrs Lethane Harvey (w/o)/ Elsie Surber, Fla - RANDOLPH OFS 1 pp365-8 Mrs Marie Wilbur 1929/ Mrs Lillian Short 1940 (w/o)/ Mrs May Kennedy McCord 1941 2v (w/o)/ Mrs Bess Allman, Missouri 1941 3v (w/o)/ Mrs H L McDonald Ark 1942 3v (w/o) - CREIGHTON FSSNB 1971 pp183-4 Wm Wilson, NB 1954 -- Cf MEAGHER'S CHILDREN -- James COPPER rec Rottingdean Sussex 1951: RPL 16067 - Bob & Ron COPPER rec by PK, Central Club, Peacehaven, Sussex 3/5/55: EFDS LP-1002 -1963/ FOLK LEGACY FSB-19/ 081/ TOPIC TSCD-534 2001 - Bob COPPER, 1957, with talk about BOXING DAY (Dec 26th): RPL 25616 - Bob, Ron, Jill & John COPPER: LEADER LEAB (boxed) 4049 1971/ 238 - with Stephen FAUX (fid) in 4x30 min progs Radio 2 Oct 1990/ CASS-60-1013-4 - Tim HART & Maddy PRIOR (unacc): B & C CREST- 23 1968/76/ CASS-45-0853 - Shirley COLLINS & sister Dolly (flute organ): TOPIC 12-T-170 1967/ 307 A-ROVING 1968 #2 - Vic & Christine SMITH (+ conc) LONG MAN LM-4001 (nd) --- Dorothy HOWARD of Texas rec by Frank & Anne Warner NYC 1949: APPLESEED APR-CD-1035 2000


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 07:47 PM

The Babes in the Wood / [Illustr.:] R[andolph] Caldecott (Randolph Caldecott's Picture Books 3) (London: Frederick Warne and Co., [1879]).


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 04:29 AM

From Max Hunter Collection (with audio):
Babes in the Woods - Cat. #0498 (MFH #61)

Babes in the Woods - Cat. #0524 (MFH #61)

Babes in the Woods - Cat. #1592 (MFH #61)

Poor Babes in the Woods - Cat. #1314 (MFH #61)

Two Babes in the Woods - Cat. #1374 (MFH #61)
From Wolf Collection:
Babes in the Wood sung by Mrs. Claude Collie

Babes in the Wood sung by Mrs. Lon Jones
Babes in the Wood sung by Mrs. Martin.
~Masato


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 05:10 AM

The Copper Family version

The Mary Black version

Tim Hart & Maddy Prior version


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 05:13 AM

Mary Black's is a different song.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: nutty
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 07:19 AM

The Library of Congress site has sheet music ..... Published 1848 ......that can be viewed here

Babes in the Wood


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 04:01 PM

There are several copies of the original version, "The Norfolk gentleman's last will and testament" on the Bodleian ballads website.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 04:03 PM

Anadene Fraley has a nice version on the CD "Land of Yahoe"


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 06:30 PM

Version #9 (The Whitfield Girls) that masato mentions in his post of 21 Apr 03 - 07:14 PM used to be on Joe's site. I can't seem to find it now, and the machine that I had it bookmarked on lost its bookmarks a couple of years ago, so I can't find it that way.

At any rate, if he no longer has it up, and if anyone really wants to hear it, I will see what I can do. I can't give you an exact age, but Ann and Jean Whitfield were probably pre-teens at the time.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 10:43 PM

Yeah, Dale - I can't find my Website anymore, either. I've added crosslinks up top to the many threads we have on this fascinating song.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 11:13 PM

Lost your own website??? Even I know where mine is, just don't update it anymore.

Come to think of it, I HAD another one that I couldn't figure out how to update, and couldn't get any help for, either. Wonder where it went? (Ah, I just found it ~~ hadn't even looked at it for at least a year. A couple of years ago, freeservers threatened to take it down if I did not update it. I said I WOULD update if they'd show me how to get into it to make changes.)

I just found your link on one of the other threads, Joe. Site seems to have disappeared though. http://homepages.msn.com/YosemiteDr/joeoffer/Index.html

That #1592 at the Max Hunter site linked by masato 22 Apr 03 - 04:29 AM is by the Ralph Spencer Family of Coal Hill, Arkansas recorded in 1976. I like it a lot. They are playing home-made instruments, by the way.

I recently copied both of the Rackensack LPs to CD.   Now if I can just remember where I put it . . .


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:36 AM

Joe, add one more.

DigiTrad: PRETTY BABES IN THE WOOD

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: treewind
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 03:54 AM

There are two versions on the newly released Song Links Project Fellside FECD176D which you can buy on line.

One is from Shirley Collins, her own version and the only song she's recorded for years.
The other is an Australian version from Martyn Wyndham Read.

The Song Links booklet should give more detailed source information on both of these.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Origins: Poor Babes in the Wood
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:03 AM

DigiTrad: THE BABES IN THE WOOD (4)

DigiTrad: BABES IN THE WOODS (5)


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Subject: ADD Version: Babes in the Wood
From: GUEST,JHB
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 05:12 PM

Did you ever find the beginning of "Poor Babes in the Wood"?
My aunt sang it many years ago.

    BABES IN THE WOOD

    My dears do you know
    How a long time ago,
    Two poor little children
    Whose names I don't know,
    Were stolen away
    On a bright summer's day
    And left in the wood
    So I've heard people say.

    And when it was night
    How sad was their plight!
    The sun it went down
    And the moon gave no light.
    They sobbed and they sighed
    And they bitterly cried.
    Poor babes in the wood
    They lay down and died.

    And when they were dead
    The robin so red
    Brought strawberry leaves
    And over them spread.
    And all the night long
    He sang them this song
    Poor babes in the wood,
    Poor babes in the wood.


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 05:26 PM

Martyn Wyndham-Read sings a beautiful Australian version that is on the Song Links CD.


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Subject: RE: poor babes in the woods
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 07:29 PM

Although the earlier broadside song has occasionally been found (chiefly in America) still in oral currency, the song popularised by the Copper family -the one that most people are thinking of when they refer to Babes in the Wood- is a relatively modern thing, having been made by William Gardiner (1770-1853). It was widely published: sheet music (uncredited and undated) can be seen, for eaxample, at the Lester Levy Sheet Music Collection:

Sweet Babes in the Wood. A Ballad. Founded on the well known Legend. Philadelphia: B. Carr's Musical Repository, n.d.

More details at http://www.folkinfo.org/topic.asp?topic_id=434


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: GUEST,inthedickens@yahoo.com
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:02 AM

My great grandma and my grandpa and grandma sang "Babes in the Wood" to me and my mother. I have since sang the same to each baby or little child I rock to sleep: From Kay Laster, Dickens, Texas

Babes in the Wood

Oh, don't you remember
A long time ago
Two poor little babies
Their names I don't know
Were stolen away,
One bright summer day
And lost in the woods
I've heard people say

And when it was night
So sad was their plight
The moon had gone down
and the stars gave no light
They sobbed and they sighed
They bitterly cried
Poor babes in the woods
They laid down and died

And when they were dead
The robins so red
Brought strawberry leaves
and over them spread
And all the night long
They sang them a song
Poor babes in the woods
Are now dead and gone...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: babes in the wood
From: GUEST,Lorna in Canada
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 12:34 PM

My grandfather used to sing this song to all of his grandkids and make us cry when the kids in the song died. It brings back lots of memories....thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: babes in the wood
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 12:38 PM

I love that old chestnut. There are a couple of versions (the original and a parody, I think) in the poetry book we loved as children Rainbow in the Sky edited by Louis Untermeyer.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BABES IN THE WOOD (from Levy collection)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 10:18 PM

Here's my transcription from the undated sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music. Note that it has an introductory verse that has been lost from the "traditional" versions:

BABES IN THE WOOD

CHORUS:
Sweet babes in the wood,
Sweet babes in the wood,
Don't you remember the babes in the wood?

1. When a child on the knee,
How pleased I would be
When my mother related the story to me
Of the babes in the wood,
Sweet babes in the wood.
Don't you remember the babes in the wood?
CHORUS

2. My dear, you must know—
'Twas a long time ago—
There were two little children whose names I don't know
That were stolen away
On a fine summer's day
And left in the wood, as I've heard the folks say.
CHORUS

3. And when it grew night,
How sad was their plight!
The sun it had set and the moon gave no light.
They sobbed and they sighed,
And bitterly cried,
Then, poor little creatures, they laid down and died.
CHORUS

4. Then a robin so red,
When he saw them lay dead,
Brought strawberry leaves and over them spread,
And all the day long,
The branches among,
He plaintively whistled and this was his song:
CHORUS

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: GUEST,sln
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 02:06 PM

here's the way my mom used to sing it to me. (it's interesting reading the different versions).


Oh don't you remember
A long time ago
Two little babes
There names I don't know

Were stolen away
On a fine summer's day
And left in the woods
So I heard people say.

And when it was night
So sad was the sight
The moon it went down
And the stars gave no light

They sobbed and they sighed
And they bitterly cried
Poor babes in the woods
They lay down and died.

And where they were dead
The Robin so red
Brought strawberry leaves
And over them spread

And all the day long
They sang in the tree
"Poor babes in the woods
Poor babes in the woods".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: BB
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 03:10 PM

Alison McMorland did a beautiful version on the children's song album 'Funny Family' back in the '70s, also printed in the book of the same name.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: Schantieman
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 11:26 AM

According to the late lamented Bob Copper in A Song for Every Season, the Copper family used to (and presumably still) sing it over Christmas Dinner. Apparently one side of the table sings the first verse while the other side eat; they all join in the chorus and then swap over for subsequent verses.

Bit of a dirge to sing at a celebration if you ask me!


Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 02:36 PM

When my kids were very young, this was one of several songs I used to sing them to sleep with. Invariably, their reaction was : "Silly kids!"!

REgards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 09:34 PM

I do believe this originally was part of a much longer (umpty thousand verses - goes on and on and on...) ballad that was a verse morality tale that started off with the children's parents dying and their uncle getting a large sum of money to look after them - he led them into the woods to die so he could keep the money, then fate catches up with him and he becomes a broken man, etc, etc, etc...

Similar to one of the fairy tales in which the boy packs his pockets with crumbs to find their way back, but the birds eat the crumbs...

I'm not at home right now, so can't do any research on my own material.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:08 AM

Foolstroupe, at the Bodleian are copies of "The Babes in the Woods" (from the type font probably early 19th c.) and a "New Version" (c. 1855), Harding B11(123) which is moralistic and preachy.
I am going over the older one, which is much as you describe it, and will post it tomorrow, after I make sure that I have got it correctly. It is worth a look, as it has a primitive cut showing the two dead babes, a man on the scaffold, and in the foreground the two Ruffians (both wearing spurs).
The verse about the Robin-redbreast covering them with leaves (sob!) is there, and it goes on to tell of the heavy Wrath of God falling on the Uncle, and ends with a caution to Executors and Overseers that they could meet the same fate.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:11 AM

I look forward to that version! I don't suppose it is scanned somewhere so the art can be seen as well as the words?


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BABES IN THE WOODS (from Bodleian)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:54 PM

At the Bodleian, the illustration is scanned with the text.

THE BABES IN THE WOODS
(Bodleian broadside)

Now ponder well you Parents dear,
These words which I shall write,
A dismal Story you shall hear,
In Time brought forth to Light:
A Gentleman of good Account,
In Norfolk dwelt of late,
Whose Wealth and Riches did surmount,
Most Men of his Estate.

Sore sick he was and like to die,
No Help that he could have,
His Wife as sick as him did lie,
And both possessed one Grave;
No Love between these two were lost,
Each was to the other kind,
In Love they lived, in Love they dy'd,
And left two Babes behind.

The one a fine and pretty Boy,
Not passing three years old,
The other a Girl more young than he,
And made in Beauty's Mould;
The Father left this little Boy,
As plainly doth appear,
When he to perfect Age should come,
Three Hundred Pounds a-year.

And to his little Daughter Jane,
Five Hundred Pounds in Gold,
To be paid down on Marriage-Day,
Which might not be controul'd;
But if the Children chance to die,
E'er they to age should come,
Their Uncle should possess their Wealth,
For so the Will did run.

Dear Brother said the dying Man,
Look to my Children dear,
Be good unto my Boy and Girl,
No Friend else have I hear;
To God and you I do commend,
My Children Night and Day,
A little while before we have,
Within this world to stay.

You must be Father and Mother both,
And Uncle all in one,
God knows what will become of them,
When I am dear and gone;
With that bespoke the Mother mild,
O! Brother kind quoth she,
You are the Man must bring my Babes
To Wealth or Misery.

If you do keep them carefully,
Then God you will regard,
If otherwise you seem to deal,
God will your deeds reward;
With Lips as could as any Stone,
He kiss'd the Children small,
God bless you both my Children dear,
And then the tears did fall,

These speeches then their Brother spoke,
To this sick couple here,
The keeping of your Children dear,
Sweet Sister do not fear;
God never prosper me nor mine,
Nor nothing else I have,
If that I wrong your Children dear,
When you are laid in grave.

Their Parents being dead and gone,
The Children Home he takes,
And brings them both unto his House
And much of them he makes;
He had not kept these pretty Babes,
A Twelvemonth and a Day,
But for their Wealth he did devise,
To make them both away.

He bargained with two Ruffians rude,
Who were of furious Mood,
That they should take the Children young,
And slay them in a Wood.
Then told his Wife and all he had,
He did the Children send,
To be brought up in fair London,
With one what was his Friend.

Away then went these pretty Babes,
Rejoicing at the Tide,
Both being glad and merry mind,
They should on Cock-horse ride;
They pate and prattle pleasantly,
As they rode on the Way,
To those who should their Butchers be
And take their lives straitway.

So that the pretty Speech they had,
Made the Monsters Hearts relent,
And they that took this Deed to do,
Full sorely did repent.
Yet one of them more hard of Heart,
Did vow to do his Charge,
Because the Wretch that hired him,
Had paid him very large.

The other would not agree thereto,
So there they fell to Strife,
With one another hey did fight,
About the Children's Lives,
And he that was of mildest Mood,
Did slay the other there,
Within an unfrequented Wood,
Where Babes did quake for Fear.

He took the Children by the Hand,
Whilst tears flow'd in their Eyes,
And bid them come and go with him,
And look they did not cry,
And two long miles he led them thus,
While they for bread complain,
Stay here says he I'll bring you bread,
When I do come again.

These pretty Babes with Hand in Hand,
Went wandering up and down,
But nevermore they saw the Man,
Approaching from the Town,
Their pretty Lips with Black-Berries,
Were all besmear'd and dy'd,
And when they saw the darksome Night,
They sat them down and cry'd.

Thus wandered these pretty Babes,
'Til Death did end their Grief,
In each others Arms they dy'd,
As Babes wanting Relief,
No Burial did these pretty Babes,
Of any Man receive,
Till Robin Red-breast ainfully
Did cover them with Leaves.

And now the heavy Wrath of God,
Upon their Uncle fell,
Yes, fearful friends did haunt his House,
His Conscience felt a Hell,
His barns were fir'd, his Goods consum'd,
His Lands were barren made,
His Cattle dy'd within the Field,
And nothing with hin stay'd.

And in a Voyage to Portugal,
Two of his Sons did die,
And to conclude himself was brought
Unto much Misery:
He pawn'd and mortgag'd all his Lands
E'er seven Years came about,
And now at length the wicked Act
Did by this means come out.

The Fellow that did take in hand
Their Children for to kill,
Was for a Robbery judg's to die.
As 'twas God's blessed will,
Who did confess the very Truth,
The which is here express'd,
Their Uncle dy'd while he for Debt,
Did long in Prison rest.

All you that be Executors made,
And Overseers eke,
Of Children that be fatherless,
And Infants mild and meek,
Take your Example by this Thing,
And yield to each his Right,
Lest God with such like Misery
Your wicked Minds require.

The lines are run together in the broadside; I have separated them into eight-line verses.

Harding B4(32) or (33), no date (Prob. early 19th c.), Bodleian Ballads, The same, more copies, Johnson Ballads 2316-2321.

www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ballads/ballads.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: poor babes in the woods
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 06:10 AM

This has got to be one of the worst songs ever - I cringe whenever it rears its head in our club. Sorry - maybe it's just me!


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