Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,kath.w.
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 08:44 AM

where can I find the words and music to the song about "the lough neagh fishermen"I once had a copy of a book of makem and clancy songs and I think it was included in it. The first line or two went like this:
"I am a fisher, I follow the eel along the lough neagh shore........."

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,paul mc gibbon
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:44 AM

come on boys and girls we need to get this up and running again

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 09 - 03:18 PM

Brian F. Hannon of Ardboe .LOUGH NEAGH , Northern Ireland ,

This Day 25th May Year 2009 .

I AM BACK .

Have ANY of You Any Knowledge of THE IRISH REPUBLICAN NEWS BULLETIN BOARD . Based In Galway City . In The Republic Of Ireland . A Board Given To Discussion of THE Political PROBLEMS Of THE People of IRISH And Irish American Citizenship .In These Present Years ,

    Are Any of You Still Members of It .I Have Been Striving To Join This Board For ABOUT Three Years Now .

       I Will Be Very Obliged To Any Kind Soul Who Will Email Me With His Telephone Numbers and His Address. or His OWN Email Number .

Please Email Me at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Richard Wallace of Chicago
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 01:46 PM

Can anyone tell me the whereabout of Brian Hannon?

Richard

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 08:39 PM

An Anecdotal Report of the 16th of December 2002 Meeting in TOOME . The Lament of a Lough Neagh Shareholding Fisherman .                Some Days ago I read in the Irish News 25/11/2002 a notice refering to The Lough Neagh Fishermens [ALLEGED]Co-Operative Society Limited about the fact that the Annual General Meetings for Years 2000,2001 and 2002 had NOT been held as Yet .Four days later on the 28/11/2002 I was Delighted to recieve by post a booklet from OUR Co-operative in the first pages on which was stated that these meetings were eventually going to be held on the 16/12/2002 one after the other in the afternoon in the Co-op Offices in TOOME . For year 2000 starting at 2:15 P.M. For year 2001 starting at 3:15 P.M. and for year 2002 at 4 P.M. I decided as a Shareholder to attend these Meetings and on approaching the door of the Room where the Meetings were going to be held I observed that it was being policed by two waterbaliffs of the Co-op. On arrival at this door I was stopped and checked out as a shareholder and was then permitted to enter . I sat myself down with the rest of the Faithful and waited till the Chairman Rev. Father Oliver P. Kennedy ,Accountant Mr. Malachy McGrady and two secretaries were seated . I never in my life was so disgusted as by the following three minutes of the proceedings . One Shareholder who had never been at a Annual General Meeting in his life before asked the Platform Party to Introduce themselves as a point of Courtesy to the Assembled Lough Neagh Fishermen and a few women and a couple of Children for the Benefit of those who did NOT know them by Sight The Chairman ignoring the request for this simple Courtesy answered him by Querying his Shareholding claiming that he had only a £50 Pound Share and was therefore NOT Entitled to SPEAK at this A.G.M. This Share holder assured him that he had a £100 Pound Share Holding . To this firm Statement spoken by the shareholder who was then crudely advised to SIT DOWN , SHUT UP or BE THROWN OUT of the meeting by Voices from The MOB behind him . This UNDEMOCRATIC Procedure NOT being Rebuked by The Chairman .The Shareholder obliged and sat down , this brave shareholder having been heckled during this Interplay by several other voices from the body of the other shareholders arranged all around the Party of Eight Men of a Lobby Group . Each of whom had been Close MARKED around by Eight of The Heavy MOB . Proceedings continued by Rev. Father Kennedy and Mr. McGRADY speaking and covering the three years one after the other in little over an Hour .The Meeting had started at 2:15 P.M. and was concluded by 15:30 P. M. in much less time as promised in the Booklet .As proceedings were winding down another shareholder stood up and asked if there were ANY QUESTIONS allowed from the floor about ANY OTHER BUSINESS . He was TOLD to SHUT UP by the Mob and the Meeting having IMMEDIATELY been Declared Concluded .The Group of Now Further Disgusted Shareholders rose to WALK OUT in Disgust . One of them Aclaiming that he would get answers from Press or a Lawyer somehow. In all my many years as a Lough Neagh Fisherman and a Shareholder from the Start I am now in Serious Doubt about this Long Leadship of our Co-Operative by this Priest who was Discretely Imposed upon us by The Church which remains Silent and Whose Bishops Speak no Words of TROCAIRE on the INDIGENOUS NATIVE IRISH FISHER PEOPLE of LOUGH NEAGH . Their FATE of being lead back in under The Absentee English Landlord System of TENURE after year 1964 by Usual Decision against THE NATIVE IRISH of The Courts of THE QUEENS JUSTICES and their subsequent Blessing of all his Hardline Patriarchial Repressions by Bishops Philbin and Cahal DALY is in question seeing as we are now ALLOWED till fish in Lough Neagh NOT BY ANY IRISH RIGHTS but by paying THE RENT by the Powers of a LANDLORDS LEASE made out in year 1905 based on a WARLORDS Royal WAR REWARD Charter of year 1661 .Ten Generations of LORDS to the Present ABSENTEE ENGLISH LORD who still recieves his Royalties to this year 2003. And now we are in the Term of a Third SILENT BISHOP . Just how far will The Bishops of Ireland go in Maintaining STATUS QUO of The Ascendency . ???

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 02 Jan 03 - 08:16 PM

Hic ! Hic! Sorry Missed update about Meeting . Will Report SOON .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 10:34 AM

The Meeting was held . I will give a full report on it after Christmas . Meanwhile I wish you ALL The Best .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 10 Dec 02 - 02:24 PM

The Following NOTICE was in THE "IRISH NEWS" PAPER on MONDAY 25/11/2002 Page 44 left hand side. The "Irish News" is held to be The Main Nationalist Paper in Ireland .
                                     Would All Shareholders in the
    LOUGH NEAGH FISHERMENS CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED
not actually fishing on Lough Neagh for eels and who feel that due to the Lapses in Democratic Process the FAILURE to hold the 2000 and 2001 Annual General Meetigs and now the THIRD YEAR 2002 Annual General Meeting unheld so far as we have been told and who have NOT recieved their expected Annual Dividend in any of these three years . This Year So Far . The dividends usually paid around the month of May .Nor any Offered Explanation of why they were NOT held either along with the unpaid Dividends please telephone the following Number 07810 173397 and on it you will have the Facility to voice your concerns and fears on any aspect pertaining to the running of this Co-op that you feel obliged to point out .
   By doing this you are exercising YOUR DEMOCRATIC HUMAN RIGHTS as promulgated in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights . You are FREE to Speak, Write, Organise in the Democratic Governances of the livelihood of your People . END of NOTICE .   
   Four Days Later on Thursday 28 November 2002 The Fisher Community were told that All Three Annual General Meetings will be Held in TOOME one after the other on the 16th of December 2002.Starting about 2 P.M. in the Co-op Offices . Need I Comment ??

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 09:43 AM

Brian would you agree that there is a lot of people here (N.Ireland/Ireland) who would want to know about your plight?

I cannot remember the name of the programme (Spotlight or lesser spotted Ulster ) about eel fishing/farming on the lough. I think if you were to put what you said on Talkback and ask to talk with the radio presenter David Dunseth(sp?) you may get more exposure. Phone Radio Ulster ask to speak to one of the researchers they may agree to give you some airtime.

BTW there was no mention of the fees etc. you mention so you could use that to raise interest in your plight.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 08:51 AM

Are you asking What happened the Salmon in the Past OR NOW ??? What point do you wish me to clarify ?

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 02 Dec 02 - 06:49 AM

Hit the Talkback link I posted above, there is a simple registration process,enter your email address and pick a name.

I think a lot of people would be interested in what happens to the salmon etc. Sorry I'm not knowledgeable enough to start the topic, don't know what I would be on about.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 08:14 PM

No . Because I Do NOT Know how to Do So . Please Advise in all simple Steps . Thank You .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 05:24 PM

Brian have you tried the Talkback forum yet?

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 04:46 PM

Harking back to Fleadhman's comments on the Derrytresk weekend:I got a copy of the Geordie Hanna CD recently - and it's great!

Regards

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 01 Dec 02 - 03:36 PM

The Item was a NOTICE costing £300 for space as that Paper is a bit nervious of Legal Possibilities . After all The Courts of the Queeens Justices have twice in the last Century 1910 and 1964 declared for The Feudal Rights of The Absentee Earls and so the continual LEGAL SERVITUDE of THE NATIVE IRISH RENT PAYERS to this year 2002 . The Absentee English Earl being Recognised as THE OWNER and all Irish being THE TENANTS , the Fishermen from year 1965 only holding shares in a Company whose main PROPERTY is THE REST of the 5,000 year LEASE which has only 4,903 years to go along with two weirs and a couple of acres of Land and Sheds for fish Processing at each . The Grandfather of our Present Absentee ENGLISH EARl signed this Lease on the 18th of July in year 1905 based on the 1661 year Royal WAR REWARD Charter issued for the Military Services of Sir Arthur Chichester in the Nine Years WAR. Thank You Very Much . This Sneeky Deed was Done in the Same Time Period as Several Thousand Absentee English Landlords were signing bills of sale in the selling of Tens of Thousands of Family LAND Holdings BACK to the Irish Tenant Farmers who had held fast to their Holdings from they were Forfeited after the Nine Years WAR when they were reduced to Tenants in the First Place . But The Irish LAND Commission MISSED The WATERs of IRELAND leaving us the Indigenous Native Irish Fisher People of Lough Neagh under the powers of the 1905 DEED . FROM then we payed NO RENT till we were manervoued there by the Priest of Toome in year 1965 . I have Read those Reports , Have You . First His Written Submission and then his Interview with his two Cohorts of whom there is not one word of either speaking in two separate volumes . Also for your Education The Bann System Limited Written Submission and Interview . You should read Them as Well .They had 3 weirs and so had the Earls 3 weirs . That makes SIX SALMON WEIRS in all across THE BANN . YOU may just imagine just how many SALMON managed to slip past these Six Weirs for food for our People , fortunate the GOOD GOD had made Resident , Many Coarse Fish and the Good Fish The Pollan and our TOTEM FISH THE DOLLAGHAN . We dont mind paying GOVERNMENT LICENCES but paying An Absentee English LANDLORD in this day and age Rankles . Especially with all this talk of Human Rights And INDIGENOUS RIGHTs all over the world . Yanimami, Maoiri , Native Americans , the Aboriginals and many other making successful claims . we should be recognised as INDIGENOUS PEOPLE . I could go on you know ........

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: dermod in salisbury
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:20 PM

Hello Mr Hanlon
As always, I read your posts on this subject with interest in respect. Not least because I could see you know how to skin and cook an eel. My grand uncle on the Antrim shore was similarly adept and felt strongly against the licensing system. Unfortunately, the Irish News website doesn't hold the new item you mention, and requires an expensive subscription to search its archive.

I have looked elsewhere and see that the issues facing Lough Neagh fishing have been the subject of an Inquiry by the Northern Irish Assembly (in which all shades of politics participate when the Assembly is not in suspenstion!) It would seem from its report that natural eel stocks in the lough are at present in serious decline due partly to eel disease infestions spreading in Europe generally which is affecting both markets, stocks, and limits and catches. If true, this would possibly account for lack of current profitability and share dividend.

Once again, I must say that I personally have no knowledge of the present situation. But I suspect the issues have moved from absentee landlordism, even though these may, as you say, persist. I attach a link to the detailed NI Assembly Inquiry evidence summary. http://www.ni-assembly.gov.uk/culture/reports/report2-00r5.htm

Best wishes.

Dermod

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 27 Nov 02 - 03:20 PM

For Dermod and Fibula and All . In The Newspaper " THE IRISH NEWS " on Monday 25 Nov 2002 , on Page 44 Left side Column there is a NOTICE about THE ALLEGED CO-OP who apparently have not held an A G M in either 2000, 2001 nor 2002 and no Dividends issued to Sharsholders either . Now what is your comments on this latest news .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 01:38 PM

So Sorry Guest 0123456 , I do not speak or write Outer Bogslobian .So whats you point in simple English Please .

Subject: RE: Toome
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Date: 18 Nov 02 - 02:32 PM

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Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 05:47 PM

Yehaw the link works, goodluck with it.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 05:46 PM

Arggh I was going to mention it too but was worried I qould be stepping on your toes Brian, go to Talkback

I'm trying out the blue clicky thing so if i mess it up bear with me.

I think you would have to log on to start new topics,some time they pick up items for mentioning on the talkback radio show.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 03:23 PM

No, I have Not as I Do Not Know How to or Where to find it . I thought all Talk about Lough Neagh and The Bann River was being done here . Thank You for Input . But Just Instruct me as Requested .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Ireland
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 09:08 AM

Have you tried the talkback web site?

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 12:15 PM

To Anybody   . Have any of you Read The Honourable The Irish Society Item . Anyone manage to get our Saga into any Press.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Fleadhman
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 04:31 PM

I have just come back from the Geordie Hanna traditional singing weekend in Derrytresk Co. Tyrone on the shores of Lough Neagh. There was a new CD released of the late Geordie Hanna called The Fisher's Cot.This CD has some fine songs of Lough Neagh and the areas around it. I was given a tour of the area by John Hanna (Geordies son) including Brockagh, Arboe and Maghery from where Geordie used to take his boat out on the lough. If any of you get a chance you should visit this beautiful area and if you are fortunate enough to know someone like John with his knowledge of the area and its history you will be in for a treat. We were treated to a 3 hour session of Lough Shore songs and stories by local singers and story tellers.It was a fabulous weekend of history and ballad singing. I'm looking forward to next year already.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 04:11 PM

Good on you T&B,Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Tenches and Brimes
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 08:17 AM

It was four and twenty years ago in search of fickle fame
I hit the road for faraway to make myself a name
I left behind my hooks and line, no more I'll run them down
And I said good-day to grey Lough Neagh where the dollaghan is found

The waves upon the ocean struck fear into my heart
I thought them retribution for my treachery to part
From hearth and home and family who grieved at my farewell
On that cruel day to grey Lough Neagh where the dollaghan does dwell

It's often at the peep of day I'd wake and make to rise
Before the sun in splendour was risen in the skies
For fishermen are up and out when all are fast asleep
To make their way across Lough Neagh to fish its waters deep

I've tunnelled and I've scaffolded and humped and hodded too
Of mud and blood and gutters, I could tell some tales to you
But damn thon oul' Dame Fortune, for she never took me in
And I cursed the day I left Lough Neagh where the dollaghan still swims

There's some who dream of silver and others dream of gold
And others dream of coortship, at least that's what I'm told
But often in the dead of night I dream I'm fishing yet
A fine Spring day on grey Lough Neagh hauling in a burstin' net

Oh God be good to fishermen and the Devil let them be
And don't let any fisherman come follow after me
For I've known heavy labour, aye and heavy misery
And times I pray for grey Lough Neagh where the dollaghan swims free

So fare thee well to Holloway, where I've squandered all my pay
I'm coming home to end my days beside the grey Lough Neagh
For I'll find no ease, no rest nor peace in all of London Town
There's sweet relief from pain and grief where the dollaghan is found

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 05:49 PM

For You All Read all   www.irishsociety.infm.ulst.ac.uk/ This older Body also had three Salmon weirs across the Bann which being the First three weirs for to catch the Salmon and our Absentee Landlord's Family having the fourth , the fifth at Kilrea , and the Sixth Weir at TOOME should make it clear to the Cynics here that this was a great Salmon Diversion from Irish Stomachs to Fill English Stomachs over these last 400 years . Read all about where they have 250 miles of Fishing Rights leased out to about 15 angling clubs now that they have reduced the Vast Shoals to just enough Remnant numbers to bait Tourists and Anglers . Our Absentee stopped commercial Netting around the 1950's so few got to his nets but the sea ward group only ceased commercial catching in around year 1985 . Thank God for our Totem Fish THE DOLLAGHAN , The Pollan , Bream , Perch, Pike , EEL , etc ,etc .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:56 AM

Thanks, Brian - especially for the recipe!

I live near Lough Ree, which is also an eel fishery. Basically, the rights now belong to the electricity company (another long story) but some eels do make themselves available locally! here, an eel stew is called "growl-ya" - which I think I traced back to an Irish word. I was just curious...

Regards

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 06:02 AM

Sorry Martin for the Delay in Getting back to you . I have never heard of any Eel Song and never even heard of EEl Stew ,our people cooked them basicily by ,skinning them , which takes a certain tecknique gutting and cleaning them out and chopping them into two inch sections and fried them on the EEL Pan , we had two pans ,one for meat and one for fish as people dont like meat being tainted with fish flavours not that we ate much meat most just bacon . Some of the elders used to frighten very young childer by showing them the EELs still twitching on the Pan as though they were alive but it was just nerves .We did not like it as we thought that the eels were in agony while being fried on the pan .BWT Are you sure your people are not from Ardboe .???.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 04:02 AM

So: no local word for "eel-stew"?

Regards

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 04:02 AM

To be fair to my mate, the bits of the tape he had difficulty with were a bit more garbled than the portion I posted to Pay The Reckoning.

And no, he wasn't a fforde ... but a bit more gentrified than the gather-ups from Wolfs Island, I'd say!

Slán!

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:56 AM

eh? I'm not English, Brian. As I said, good luck to you, but settle down a bit. This is your cause, and I've only heard your side of it, which is why I have no wish to become embroiled in it.I do, however, hope you reach a peaceful, fair solution.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 07:31 PM

To Fibula and her English Friends , the reduction of the Native Irish to as near Slavery as was being under The Big Bad Absentee English Landlord System of Feudal Tenure was bad enough but was Mostly Ended when the Farming Peasants WERE ALLOWED to buy back their Family Land Holdings around year 1910 .THEIR Servitude being Over . Please Remember that this took up to the 1950's for them to clear and even some to the 1960's . The Leading back to this Feudal System by the Priest of these poor Landless Indigenous Fisher People is totally questionable in Principle regardless of the delusion of an Alleged Co-operative patriarchially governed by himself from one year after the Queens Justices done THE USUAL in year 1964 till date . Try to think of what you are trying to accept as o.k. The 1661 Royal WAR PRIZE Charter , The 1905 Deed -in-Tail writen at such a time of emancipation of most of the Irish People , and the 1965 Giant Step Backwards to RENT Paying straight till today . Right down the Feudal Chain of Power . The Shamanistic saying of The Holy Mass at the Start of the Fishing Season and this priest Blessing over his loyal faction of cohorts in a Fish Shed in that Village Called TOOME just does not cut it. We shall have our Ancestoral Collective INDIGENOUS FISHING RIGHTS returned to us . Strasbourg Here We Come .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:14 AM

Brian, I'm still reading this thread with a lot of interest.

I've no own experience about that conflict whatsoever. I was only citing a note from a songbook and that's all I knew about the song before reading here.

I still find it fascinating that the same song can be seen in such a different light. Though that note maybe tells more about the Germany of the seventies and especially about the political opinions among the extreme left in Germany in that time (that's where the songbook comes from). They looked at all conflicts from one particular angle even if that meant a bit of twisting.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 03 Nov 02 - 11:25 AM

TO WOLFGANG , Presuming that you by now may have read some of my Writings on Lough Neagh . You will see that The Lough is not a State Owned Fishery but was the War Prize of The Main Political Family of Northern Ireland The Chichesters , The LORD Donegalls [ The New English Type ] not the Olde Irish Family of Tyrconnell as under The Brehon Code . The Pro British Faction of the North and their Judacy resolutely maintained The Ascendency by their 1910 and 1964 re cementing of their Feudal Privileges in the Courts of The Queens Justices and at the same time reassured The Dispossession the Descendants of the Native Irish . Bedammed was The 1948 Declaration of Human Rights . Read if you will THe Honourable THE IRISH Society on Google . This Group and The Lords Donegalls harvested 95% of the Salmon of Foyle and Bann exporting ALL to Feed English Bellies in ENGLAND.Your comments wiil be appreciated .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 01:56 PM

Derrymacash, Someone from Derryadd couldn`t understand oul Albert, bloody amazing, it wasn`t one of the FFordes, I say old boy. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon of ARDBOE
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 10:02 AM

Yesterday an Item about a " Charitable " Organisation came to my Attention while surfing the NET. The Name that is upon this "Whatever" is THE HONOURABLE THE IRISH SOCIETY . It appears that this group had a Salmon Trap in Duggans Bays out at sea where the Salmon Came up round the corner from the Atlantic Ocean till get up the Bann . They also had two of the three Traps at The Cutts of Coleraine . The Combination of this Group and the Lords Donegalls and later their Inlaws The Earls Shaftesbury certainly made sure that the LEAST Portion of the SALMON got south of Toome Bridge and LOUGH NEAGH and the Ten Rivers Inflowing for the Indigenous natives . As far as I can figure The Lords Donegall / Shaftesbury had one trap at Coleraine , Portna and Toome where there is a Bridge. The Honourable The Irish Society having reduced The Vast Shoals to Remnant Shoals have ceased Commercial Catching of THE SALMON in around year 1985 and Formed The Bann System Ltd to francise out Angling Permissions .READ ALL ABOUT IT on Google after rapping in THE HONOURABLE THE IRISH SOCIETY . I would like to see some Comments here about these Wholesale Exporters of IRISH SALMON .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: belfast
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 09:14 AM

Just been listening to Albert et al. Great stuff (even if it did take about half an hour to download)and a fine wee tune at the end of it. And although I'm Belfast born and bred I didn't have too much difficulty understanding the chat.

As a matter of small interest, I had a drink recently with the fella who wrote the song that started this thread. Mind you, the only fishing he's ever done was on the Moy river when the bailiffs weren't about.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 01:16 AM

Ard Mhacha ...

If I had time I'd transcribe it for the benefit of them that spakes a language other than Montiagh!

Having said that I played the original tape to a mate of mine - a playwright that lives in London, but originally from Derryadd - and he couldn't make head nor tail out of it. I ended up translating!

Sometimes, though, the words aren't important. There are a rhythms and cadences in Albert's speaking which are starting to die out as the Lough shores become gentrified ...

Slán, a chara.

Aidan

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 03:43 PM

And would anyone unfamiliar with this accent, please tell me what Albert was talking about.
I would be very interested to know if you had much difficulty understanding. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 10:31 AM

You might be interested in hearing a wee sound snippet. It's of two eel fishermen of my granda's generation - Albert Parkes and Jem McAlinden - in conversation with Bobby Hanvey of Northern Ireland's Downtown Radio. I've spliced my jig "Arthur John Donnelly" to the end of the sample. Arthur John Donnelly was my granda on my ma's side and a good friend of Albert.

It's a biggish file (3.5Mb) and takes a while to download if you're using a modem!

Scroll down the page and stop at the first stop press!

Pay The Reckoning

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Oct 02 - 07:32 AM

Hi Brian: When we get you on Sandy's radio show, and on Joel Landy's show, that may be enough to get our friend Georgina to cover the issue, then we can build from there... the other wee idea may make a little news as well, nudge nudge, hint hint, say no more, say no more! (I am makeing a few calls still...)
Cheers Larry
PS did you and Sandy email each other yet? Do, his show has a bunch of folks who listen, then we also can get you on WBAI soon, which may be a step towards WNYC, the Public Radio station, build one step at a time...

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 29 Oct 02 - 07:15 PM

Right Folks , I dont want to be a sore head BUT have any of you got our Saga in any Press in America , local papers , Irish Society News letters or any thing , your websites or message boards . I do know that a few of the Best are making Moves on the other media . This Item is not a critism of them .Best to All .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Áine
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 07:44 PM

Just refreshing this thread so Brian can find it. ;-)

-- Áine

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 01:44 PM

REPARATIONS ?? Vroom ,Oh , Ah ,EE Ohh Ohh Did Anyone See that Bus ?Now that is an Origional Idea WHAT I Welcome . Let me See 400 Years x 60 days [ Spawning Season ] x 3,000 Salmon [ 1,000 per each weir ] at £ 10 per Salmon equals a quer pile of Money . Would Do Nicely .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: InOBU
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 10:07 PM

Hello folks, fishers and folkies... just back and need sleep, great to see the new post Derrymacash - after a few snores, after meeting, we will keep planing step one, end to rents, step two, reparations! Cheers Larry
PS Joel Landy wants me to do the new song on his TV show... we can use JPGs of the lough and fishing to project behind the song... night all...

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: GUEST,Brian F. Hannon
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 09:25 AM

On thinking upon it the Act by our Absentee English Landlord,s Grandfather in signing the 1905 deed-in -tail upon which the Franchise of the Eels on which was the base of the operating rights of THE TOOME EEL FISHERY was a real slippery act . SOMEONE in the Group who applied for this ascendency Rights must have percieved the WEAKNESS of the Operating Brief of the Irish "LAND" Commission . This Body of Civil Servants and others who should have know that Irish Territory ,The Loughs , Lochs, rivers etc etc WERE Missed in the Irish Land Acts and not on the agenda for repatriation to the Local Fish Harvesters [ As food ] . Lough Neagh the 150 square miles being the largest Lake so missed . To do such an act as a Last Gasp of Absentee Landlordism when the greater portion of Ireland was returned to the Origional Owners I declared Outrageous . As well as the steadfast ignoring by the North and South Governments to date should be noted . Their inaction , therefore the maintainence of FEUDAL RIGHTS of An Absentee English LORD should be noted by the Electorate .

Subject: RE: Toome Eel Fisheries - Free Lough Neagh!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 25 Oct 02 - 06:01 PM

Good man, ard mhacha! There's edjimication behind St Peter's right enough!

Subject: Lyr Add: LET ERIN REMEMBER THE DAYS OF OLD
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 02 - 07:30 AM

Sure why not have all of the song? It's hardly out of place on this thread, and good luck to all of the fishermen on Lough Neagh which is at this moment being blasted by a fierce gale.

LET ERIN REMEMBER THE DAYS OF OLD.
Thomas Moore

1.
Let Erin remember the days of old,
Ere her faithless sons betrayed her,
When Malachy wore the collar of gold
Which he won from her proud invader,
When her kings with standards of green unfurled,
Led the Red Branch Knights to danger,
Ere the emerald gem of the western world
Was set in the crown of a stranger.

2.
On Lough Neagh's banks, as the fisherman strays,
When the clear cold eve's declining,
He sees the Round Towers of other days,
In the waves beneath them shining.
Thus shall memory often, in dreams sublime,
Catch a glimpse of the days that are over;
Thus, sighing, look through the waves of time,
For the long faded glories they cover.

Ard Mhacha.