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Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours?
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Subject: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:05 PM OK, so this is total BS and totally non music (well, maybe) By the response to the MudCat Dreams thread, there does seem to be some interest in this, so......... I had one very early this morning (about 4 AM) that I was fighting mad, and calling somebody terrible names.......including, but not limited to "You are so f--ing stupid, Why on earth did you do that, you dummie?" etc. I NEVER do this in real life, even if I sometimes think it. Does this mean I need to act out my anger a little more but in a more acceptable way?? Another one I have on a regular basis is that I am totally lost in a familiar house and being hunted by something horrible.........keep trying to find hiding places that always turn out to not be such great hiding places.......the IT always finds me........(this does not actually bode well for my Real Life, does it?) I do have "good" dreams, but not very often. Usually they involve close friends and music in some way. Or a trip to some place I really want to go. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Gloredhel Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:21 PM I keep having dreams about my orchestra conductor. Except, in my dreams he's never conducting the orchestra. He's always playing the cello (which he does in real life). And the music building is always much, much bigger, and I'm smaller, and there aren't any other students, just me and the conductor and sometimes the other professors as well. Kinda scary. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:22 PM I think a lot of dreams are about a dialogue between different levels of oneself. So maybe your wiser, deeper level was lecturing your not-so-wise level. I'm serious. Lord knows, I get upset with my own weaknesses and stupidities sometimes... As for the house and being hunted...oh, yeah, I used to have that dream a LOT! It was almost always a bear that was after me, and I am quite scared of bears. Sometimes it's wasps or hornets. I think these are simply symbols of deeper fears pursuing one through the house of one's soul, so to speak. And there is really no place to hide from them, but I always tend to go up to the higher part of the house. This means (I think) that I am trying to get to the higher spiriritual sources for help (or mental sources, if you don't believe spiritual). But here's the key. The only way to overcome those fears is to face them, instead of running away. In that respect, it's pretty much like real life, eh? The only thing is, I almost never remember that while I'm having the dream, but I've managed it on a couple of occasions. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:27 PM Yes, LH, I think you are right. My "hunter" is usually a very large snake. I am not really phobic about them but have a lot of respect for them in all their aspects. I'm pretty sure I know what most of my dreams are about ( and yes, it's fears in real life) but they are intresting, eh? How do you "save" yours, if you want to save them? |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:38 PM "Save" them? What do you mean? - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:41 PM Remember them after you are really awake. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:56 PM Sorcha-- see me in Chat next week (you know how come not this week), and I can tell you the RC side of it all. It will make sense. Till then don't fret. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:59 PM Sorcha - Oh. Well, I probably don't remember most of them, but there are a few that remain fairly clear. There are some that are so vivid that I think I am probably meant to remember them. There are some that I have had over again several times, which I gather means it is a pretty significant message. Usually I only have fragmentary memories. It's a mysterious business. The teachings of yoga indicate that there are several levels of reality, as follows... 1. waking consciousness - while we are awake and using our physical senses and surface mentality, logic, memory, emotion, and so on...dealing with tactile, physical reality. 2. astral consciousness - a deeper level, where one experiences not through the physical organs or senses, but through the astral body. This is the dream state. We still can see, touch, walk around, drive a car, etc...but none of it is physical, it just seems that way, although many things can happen which would not happen in physical reality. It's very convincing, and most people don't realize that it is not physical until they wake up. This doesn't mean it's not real. It just isn't physically real. The yogic teachings indicate that the astral is very real indeed. It's a spiritual realm. Much of what we term the "subconscious" is expressed powerfully in the astral, and we work out emotional challenges there too. 3. deep sleep - this is an unconscious state, in which the mind is silent, and the body rests. 4. self-realization, the soul, samadhi, full awareness - this is the (as far as we know) deepest level of awareness, the actual immortal self that each one of us is, the part that is completely beyond mind (and far wiser), which never sleeps, which never dies, which only loves, which does not fear. It is the individualization of what many people call "God". Needless to say, most people don't believe in or have any idea whatsoever about number (4). I believe in it, but have not much succeeded in reaching it yet. One meditates and contemplates in order to reach it, and there are other ways too...a number of them. One in 100,000 people manage to do it in a given lifetime. If that. If you don't believe it, that's okay. I just thought someone might find it interesting to consider. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Jeri Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:59 PM I hardly ever remember my dreams. The last one I DO remember, somebody told me they were dying. I woke up torn between being incredibly sad, pissed off at myself for having such a dream, and elated that it wasn't real. I had one ages ago while I was reading "Creative Dreaming." I was running away from "them," whoever them was. I thought I should stop and face them. Then I realised I wasn't really afraid of them but I was sure enjoying the escaping thing. I seem to recall floating down a beautiful river on a raft. Oh well... I was around 18 then. I think I was just refusing to grow up, and that's what "they" wanted. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:09 AM Yeah, growing up is pretty damn scary all right. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:20 AM Whizzy, don't know that I need an RC thing; I pretty much get what they are telling me, I just don't want to co operate!! But will PM anyway, that is always fun. And, yes, LH, I get that on the levels. In this life, I am pretty much stuck on Level 2, but I get 3 once in a great while. Just an interesting subject. If I want to "save" a dream, before I actually admit I am awake and open my eyes, I go over the salient points of the dream in my mind and sort of outline/categorize them. I ought to write them down when I actually wake up, but I never have. Oh, yea, about the "hunted house".......mine is always at least 3 stories high. No place I've ever lived had 3 stories, but I "know" this house.......and it is the Hunted House, not the Haunted House. Haunted House I don't ever do. I'm actually surprised that I get as many pleasant dreams as I do. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:47 AM That's very interesting! My house is 3 stories high too. I don't think that's a coincidence. And...I would like to get to level 3 more too. I've been sleeping rather poorly of late. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Bagpuss Date: 18 Oct 02 - 05:17 AM I once had a dream that I had murdered someone. I don't think the actual murder was in the dream, so I have no idea why I *did* it, all I know is that I stabbed a man. Most of the dream was of me in a panic about what I had done and knowing I was being chased. It got me in such a state that it woke me up suddenly and I couldn't get rid of the emotions of the dream. I was upset and shaky and jumping 6 foot high at the slightest noise all day. It was my birthday too - worst birthday I ever had. Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: katlaughing Date: 18 Oct 02 - 05:48 AM Sorcha, the other way you could remember them is to have a small tape recorder handy - just record the high points enough to jog your memory the next day. I have a same one several times per year, haven't really figured it out, yet, but it feels as though it may be something which will actually happen. Not unpleasant, just something to watch for involving a house and property and a woman who is looking for Rog, as well as a rustic bridge with houses along it, over the water. I just had one tonight which woke me, because I woke Rog with it!*bg* My sisters are twins as are my grandsons, but none of my kids are. In the dream, I was on the phone with a Mudcatter with whom I don't think I've ever spoken on the phone in 3D, but do carry on by PM and email. I was at a kind of drop-leaf desk with a lamp and a window next to it when I noticed it was getting dark outside, nearing 6 or 7pm. I was also pouring out two vitamin/mineral supplement pills to take while we visited, only I dropped one on the floor and couldn't find it. About that time is when I realised it was getting late and our twin daughters were not home from school. In this dream, they are my real daughters in 3D, only younger than they are now, plus incongruously, they do not look like twins even in the dream, BUT I tell everyone they are identitcal!**BG** (They will love hearing this one!) Anyway, I start hollering at Rog about "where are the girls. Why aren't they home, yet." Tell the Mudcatter I have to get off the phone and find them, still am looking for the damn pill, and I guess I really was yelling at Rog about where they were because he woke me up and told me I'd been dreaming, the girls were fine! ********************************************************** The pill I can explain to myself. The twins are obviously a constant in our family. I have no worries about my daughters and where they are, so I think I just got too hot. When I get too hot I have semi-nightmarish dreams. The Mudcatter I take that I am supposed to finally call and have a good chat. Nothing about it really scared me, it was just interesting. I remmeber the pill was worrisome because I didn't want any of my cats to find it and possibly get ill. Fun thread, thanks! Good explanation of the levels, LH. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Bagpuss Date: 18 Oct 02 - 05:53 AM I think remembering your dreams is over rated, other than for the ability to tell people about your odd dreams. So I never particularly try to remember them. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:06 PM I once had a dream where I WAS murdered...by 2 guys who abducted me for some reason, took me out into the country in their pickup truck, and shot me when I tried to escape. I got shot running away, and fell down dead. How did I know I was dead? Easy...I rose up out of my body, as a spirit, and looked down at it lying there. I then got really angry that they had shot me, and decided to go after them. This being a dream, they could SEE my spirit...they knew I was a ghost and it scared the hell out of them. I chased them all over the place, with the greatest satisfaction...and then woke up. This categorically disproves the common notion that if you die in a dream you will actually die and never wake up. Not true, folks. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:23 PM Dagnabbit, I am missing out on something... I commonly have a sound track in my dreams. I've written at least a couple dozen songs that major sections of came directly from a dream. I had a dream about being in Bethlehem on Christmas Eve and going out to the manger (with a starless sky and no Star of Bethlehem) only to find that Christ wasn't born. That's the most horrible dream I can remember, but I woke up with the song, Without That Night. I've had many dreams that were much more mundane that spun-off verses to songs. I had a dream that started out with a song... "Old dog Tray is out on the backporch sleeping, and all the windows of the house got the shades pulled down." The movie/dream turned out to be a Western, but the song ended up just being plain old everyday Midwestern small-town life. Another dream came after visiting a nursing home, and was in direct response to feeling moved by the people I sang for. It started out with a line I never would have written awake.."And somewhere inside her there's still that young girl, with a Tortoise-Shell comb in her hair." Who says songwriting is hard? I can do it in my sleep.. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Oct 02 - 03:55 PM I've written a couple of marvellous songs in dreams, then forgotten them after I woke up....AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!! I've also played concerts in dreams. Did a show with Bob Dylan once. Also once provided him with a peaceful hour in my backyard and some coffee, when he and some of his people were traveling through the area. Dreams can be a lot of fun. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Ireland Date: 18 Oct 02 - 04:55 PM I don't know if I should be lying on a couch or sitting down when replying to this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 02 - 08:29 PM So Sorch -- Next time IT comes snuffling around your hiding place, jump out with a holler, and grab it and start doing a waltz or sompn. According to LH's theory tihs will set the matter straight and you can get on with your beauty rest! I think Liebenscheiss is going to offer that boy an interneship, he's so smart!! LOL! A |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:29 PM I have sounds/soundtracks in my dreams too. Does anybody else have the ability to change the direction of a dream without waking up? I often do this if I am not comfortable with where it is going. For instance, if I am caught in a corner, I create a door behind me, go through and lock it. Changes direction entirely. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: khandu Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:36 PM As silly as it sounds, I can remember my dreams, if, upon a wakening, I immediately imagine a computer and "save" the dream file! Yeah, yeah, I know...but it works for me! Dreams can be very revealing to one, if one wants things revealed. Some of my dreams...I imagine the computer and hit "DELETE"!! k |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Ebbie Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:38 AM I dreamt a couple of weeks ago that someone had a new set of twins- not identical, they made a point of telling us- but both girls. One of my sisters was there and had taken a lot of pictures. One baby was round faced and had dark hair; the other one's hair was lighter and she had a narrower face. When I woke, I told my sister in law about it and ended with, 'OK. Who is pregnant?' She looked at me kind of funny and said, 'Your niece Margaret.' And it's true. Margaret, in North Carolina, got married for the first time a couple of years ago at the age of 36 and is now expecting twins next March. I've never had a specific dream come true- but wouldn't it be fun if this one did? (Incidentally, the other day I got an email saying that Margaret's sonogram reveals that she is carrying girls...) |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:44 AM Way cool, Ebbie and khandu, and yes khandu, that is sort of the way I do it. I'll have to try your method. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST,Mad Maudlin at work Date: 23 Oct 02 - 06:50 AM Interesting thread, this...LH, I died in my dream, too, about two or three times. I got shot with a musket, drowned and fell to my death from the rigging of an old sailing ship. It never hurts, and I'm not upset or anything, just noticing matter-of-factly that I'm dying. Strange, isn't it? And yes, I have a dream house, too - don't know how many stories it has but will try to count them next time I'm "there"! Nathali |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: khandu Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:32 PM Perhaps the most bizarre dream-come-true I ever experienced was in 1973. It was as follows; I was driving down a beautiful road. Trees evenly spaced on both sides of the road had grown so large that they touched each other, creating a tunnel effect; a tunnel of trees. This tunnel lasted fro a mile or so. At the end of the tunnel, there was a small brick building in the middle of the road. As I pulled up to the building, an armed guard came out and told me that I must turn and go back. End of dream... Three weeks later, I was out for a Sunday drive. I saw a road sign that read "Whitfield" with an arrow pointing right. Now, "Whitfield" is my last name; it is also the name of the Mississippi State Hospital, which is an asylum for the mentally and emotionally ill. I had never been to Whitfield, so I figured, "Why not?" I took the right and, after a few miles, I began to see the tree tunnel. It was a lovely sight, but it was quite eerie. I continued on the road, fascinated by my having dreamed this recently. At the end of the tunnel, yes, there was the building. Standing outside the building was an armed guard. I did not bother to approach him, I turned around. To my own satisfaction, I have an understanding of the "meaning" behind this, but that would take pages to explain! khandu |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:40 PM Great, khandu! Good stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST,teacher Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:25 PM Like a lot of people, I have a recurring dream, nothing deep, and a little different every time: I discover rooms, BIG rooms, MULTIPLE BIG rooms in my house, rooms I hadn't known about. Always very nice -- basements beneath the basement, whole new wings. For some reason, I mentioned this to a class, and three kids in the class reported the same recurring dream. And it's always pleasant (a little disappointing when you wake up, tho). Anybody else? |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:34 PM Big, new rooms are always fun. It's the mazy/dark rooms that are scary, even if you have been there before. The maze is never the same. I just hate the giant snake that I know is hiding in the corner of the dark basement room........ |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Malveka Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:54 PM I've experienced the same sort of phenomenon as Katlaughing mentioned regarding getting overheated while asleep. If I get too hot, my dreams often have an intense nightmarish quality to them. Sometimes this also happens if I am running a fever. I have found it to be a most unpleasant experience at times. Enough so that I was moved to write this poem about it. Sleeping Hot ------------ Mouth of cotton woolen head fevered limbs thrash rumpled bed hot flash burning aching neck tossing turning dreams a wreck. Exhausted body seeks reprieve cannot rise through grasping seas cannot sink yet nor can flee, pitch tar black envelopes me. Caught but yearning to stay and go insensate will congeals to woe -- sleeping not sleeping hot. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:58 PM My dream is a re-curring (doggy) MudCat neight-mare (equestrian)
A tongue in cheek-shriek-shreck, daisy chain of silly-billy's-willy probing the liberal and eagar orifices of WYSIWYG, Sorcha, Pus-Pussy, Little Hawk, and KHANDU in an incestuous circle amongst the sisters of Sapho.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST Date: 24 Oct 02 - 12:01 AM Uhhh, Huuuuh, HHuuuGGGHHHHH, OW, Oh, UUUUH, Whew...
This is getting me |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Oct 02 - 12:03 AM Yeah me too....
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Ebbie Date: 24 Oct 02 - 12:19 AM Dang, gg, you forgot ME. |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Oct 02 - 12:29 AM Sorry Ebbie, You are not one of the incestuous sisters...you only "came once" on this absurd post.
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Ebbie Date: 24 Oct 02 - 01:59 AM I'm back, Brother gg. :) |
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Subject: RE: Total BS--Dreams in General--Yours? From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Oct 02 - 08:31 AM ,. |
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