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Subject: Folk Music From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 25 Nov 02 - 08:39 AM discuss folk music here. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Pied Piper Date: 25 Nov 02 - 08:42 AM Master Tell us of the one who is to come. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Alio Date: 25 Nov 02 - 09:44 AM This SOUNDS as if it could be a good thread? is it a guessing game? Ali |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Bill D Date: 25 Nov 02 - 10:09 AM John....you need another hobby. Gardening perhaps? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Mark Clark Date: 25 Nov 02 - 10:22 AM Okay… What ever happened to Willie Wright, once billed as Josh White's Protegé? Oh, and while we'er at it… Whatever became of the singer who billed himself as Chuck Ray and did such a great job on “Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying?” Thanks, - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,noddy Date: 25 Nov 02 - 11:36 AM sounds like an exam question to me. How long have I got? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Dead Horse Date: 25 Nov 02 - 05:39 PM How long a WHAT have you got? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,John 9not John) Date: 25 Nov 02 - 07:33 PM We don't need no folking music! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Nov 02 - 09:04 PM What Has Folk Music Ever Done For Us? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Richard Bridge (cookie and format C) Date: 26 Nov 02 - 04:42 AM Well, it helped me get a perspective on political views that were further left of mine when I first got into it, it keeps me out of mischief writing to politicians who want it to be a licensable activity (!), and it got me to sing to several thousand (hard luck on them but I kind of enjoyed it through the terror) for the first time ever at another political rally last week. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: breezy Date: 26 Nov 02 - 05:44 AM You can hear Folk songs i.e. music of the people by the people ,thier tials and tribulations, their adventures, their thoughts and points of view ranging from serious to light-hearted,on Fridays,when in season, at the St. Albans Folk Club, at the Comfort Hotel on Holywell Hill where this Friday the 29th November 2002 Jeremy Taylor will recount many a tale and give an insight to the bad old days in South Africa, whose team got stuffed by England last Saturday. The Club will close then for Christmas and will re-open on Friday 25th Jan 2003 with Ben Campbell who will reflect on the 'Working Man' and how the changing face of England in the light of new technology affects us all, through songs about ourselves,i.e.folk-songs You can also hear similar songs at the Blue Anchor on Saturday 30th Nov then on Sunday at the White Bear, Rickmansworthwhere you are cordially invited to put in your pennies-worth Jeremy will also be performing at Burcot Village Hall on Saturday 30th Nov that is very near Bromsgrove that is very close to Birmingham south where the M42 meets the M5 Folk is about communicating is it not Discuss |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Skipper Jack Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:05 AM Traditional folk music from the Middle Ages onwards is still relevant from an historical point of view. But many contemporary songs particularly from the 60's era give a good background of the times. The songs of today - like those of the sixties, will in time become traditional. So it is an on-going process. Was it AL Lloyd who described folk music as the song of the people? Traditional songs provide excellent material for students of social history. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Nov 02 - 06:55 AM For many years of my life I was a Programmer/Systems Analyst working on contracts all over this country (and several others) for anything up to a year at at time. The first thing that I would do in any new area was to find the nearest Folk Club - once I found one it was always easy to find others. In a very short time I had a social life with new friends all sorted out - and the chance to enjoy listening to and performing music. The old UK Folk Directory was of some help, but it would have been wonderful to have had Mudcat then. Many of the other contractors who I worked with, also used to get interested in folk music - especially when they realised how many young ladies frequented the clubs in those days when girls didn't normally go into pubs on their own. Even if I couldn't find a nearby club, I've never been afraid of going into a pub and singing - and there have been many instances where I've ended up starting a new club. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Richard Bridge (cookie and format C) Date: 26 Nov 02 - 01:22 PM "Idiom of the People" (affectionally referred to as "the Idiot") |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST Date: 26 Nov 02 - 01:26 PM So what is folk music? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Art Thieme Date: 28 Nov 02 - 10:42 PM Mark, Last time I saw Willie he was in pretty bad shape. Had an amazing voice though. Somewhere between Odetta and Yma Sumac. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Amos Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:26 PM Jesus, John, never mind gardening -- how about a long cozy dry-out then? I think Roger has a couple of spare bedpans over at the NYCFTTS, maybe even a bed to go with them. Best look into it. A |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: dick greenhaus Date: 29 Nov 02 - 08:07 PM Anna Russel defined it as "The uncouth vocal utterances of the people" |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: rock chick Date: 30 Nov 02 - 06:00 PM There's naught as queer as Folk and naught as grand a music, put both together and you have the start of something exceptional for everyone, well almost, but you will always find the odd one or two who complain, occasional about something, like the Bodhran or Banjos, unfortunately these are normally fellow musicians! These we can do without, folk music is a mix of all types of music that will touch the heartstrings of someone listening somewhere. rc |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Seamus Date: 30 Nov 02 - 06:11 PM And Joe yelled at me for the Song Origins thread? *L* |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: The Shambles Date: 01 Dec 02 - 05:57 PM What has Joe Offer ever done for PELs? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Mark Clark Date: 01 Dec 02 - 08:22 PM Art, I'm sorry to hear about Willie. I did do a Web search and found that his recordings may still be had on the used market. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Dec 02 - 04:18 AM refresh, Who is your favourite folk singer? what's the best folk gig or session you have been to? When did you start singing/playing & why? etc 9just talk about folk music).john |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Phil Cooper Date: 24 Dec 02 - 12:10 PM John, my opinion of best folk singer changes, depending on who I've heard lately that pushes the right buttons. The Waterson/Carthy folks (together or solo), Robin & Barry Dransfield, Frankie Armstrong, Judy Cook, Bob Fox, all leap instantly to mind. But there are others I'd walk across fire to see, if the name was brought up. Favorite gig I've played recently was a coffeehouse in Joliet, Illinois that our Christmas group played for, good interaction between us and the audience. Or a concert Margaret, Kate and I played in Washington DC lately, boy, that was a good time, too. Started playing folk music in my late teens and never really had aspirations to be a rock player at all (early '70's). Liked the folk boom singer/songwriters, got bitten by the trad bug. Like any good song old or new, that makes me laugh or cry. Merry Christmas... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Art Thieme Date: 24 Dec 02 - 09:04 PM But, Mark, the last I heard of Willie Wright was in 1967--------so anything I have to say is VERY old news. Art |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: banjomad (inactive) Date: 25 Dec 02 - 03:38 AM folk music is for any reason except making money. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Mugwump Date: 25 Dec 02 - 04:37 AM Hello Rock Chick |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 05 Jan 03 - 09:31 PM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 05 Jan 03 - 10:41 PM Thank you John!!!!
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Art Thieme Date: 06 Jan 03 - 04:28 PM it's so damn good to finally see a real thread about folk music here again that I figure this ought to be REFRESHED Art |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Phil Cooper Date: 06 Jan 03 - 05:59 PM Hey Art, speaking of folk music. I had a chance to see Lee Murdock's hometown concert this past Saturday, with Ed Trickett as his guest artist. Great show. Went to Lee's house after the concert and wound up picking tunes till close to 2:00 before I ambled home. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: fiddler Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:10 AM Surely Folk Music is : - A branch of American Old time Music |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: smallpiper Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:45 AM Some one said that eventually todays music would become folk music I have visions of a sing around at Whitby festival in 2300 "tell me what you want what you really, really want. I want to jig a jig!" followed by interesting discussions of the origons of the song and etemology of jig a jig! Well it made me laugh! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: John P Date: 07 Jan 03 - 12:11 PM Skipper Jack: "Traditional songs provide excellent material for students of social history." They're also lots of fun to sing and play . . . Phil Cooper: "Like any good song old or new" Yes. This is equally true if it's folk or rock or classical or medieval or jazz or country . . . Banjomad: "folk music is for any reason except making money." So are you saying that folk song when played in a paid performance is no longer a folk song? Is an Irish jig played in a session in a pub or in the living room a folk tune, but if played on a stage in the same pub or practiced for a performance in the same living room suddenly not a folk tune? That seems silly. Art Thieme: "it's so damn good to finally see a real thread about folk music here again that I figure this ought to be REFRESHED" Yes, it is refreshing, isn't it? I've pretty much dropped out of Mudcat discussions because I have very limited time to read the computer and most threads are so choked with personal chit-chat and unwitty witticisms that I am unwilling to read through them in the hope of learning something or replying coherently. John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Art Thieme Date: 07 Jan 03 - 05:25 PM Alas, all the better for the few of us who have too much spare time on our hands. We can react with nuggets of lore and historical enlightenment when we can. We can add meaningless chortles and humorous merde and sometime brilliance when we are so inclined. (And we can go downhill, also, when we are SO INCLINED ;-) What a Mud-catty playground this can be for we who have chosen to stop trying to beat 'em and that dead singing horse and just join 'em when the whim takes over our, maybe, not better judgment. But it is FUN. Love, Art |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton Date: 07 Jan 03 - 07:30 PM I know it seems futile, but I really enjoy the discussions about what is folk music. I confess to enjoying the fact that there is little agreement on this. It seems that we are all blind people feeling the elephant. But if enough of us grope the pachyderm maybe we can begin to understand it. Maybe what I'm feeling is just the ear or the trunk but I like to think that there is a social implication to the music. It's an interaction of people that's positive. Or as a fellow I talked with said one night, "When there's a roomful of people singing, it's hard to find anger." Frank |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Eliza Carthy Date: 07 Jan 03 - 07:45 PM I've always found it depends on what they are singing. For instance, a chorus of "You're going home in a f-ing ambulance" across two sides of a pub is likely to be a little aggravated eventually... ; ) Do you need a license for that? x ec |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Rapparee Date: 08 Jan 03 - 07:38 AM I dunno, maybe REAL folk music requires acoustic only, no electronics of any sort at all (not even light bulbs). Perhaps not even instruments other than those of the body (hands, feet, voice, etc.).... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 03 - 04:39 PM Eliza, I suspect that if someone were to sing the Horstwessel Song for the Ba'nai Brith or Dixie at a Black Panther Rally, it would be probably be as you say. But overall, I think that generally accessible tunes that have no hot-button associations have a healing power when sung by more than one person. Of course there are those who just like to be angry and use any excuse to get there. Last time I looked, there were no mosh pits at a hootenanny. Frank |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Cluin Date: 08 Jan 03 - 04:46 PM Give `em time.... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton Date: 09 Jan 03 - 12:21 PM Cluin, I think the opposite. The more people can make music together, the sooner they can be in the same room and have more meanigful and less rancorous conversations without the TV blaring. Didn't get a smiley face after your comment so I can assume that you were serious. Frank |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Schantieman Date: 09 Jan 03 - 01:50 PM Ain't never heard no hoss sing. (Didn't somebody say that before?) ;-) Steve |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Cluin Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:21 PM Folk music is music for folks. If they want a mosh pit, they'll have one. It don't have to be some pre-packaged, frozen-in-time, authorized by whoever-has-the-snotrag-now-that-Woody-Guthrie-once-used, collection of songs done in the once-expected fashion. It's evolving all the time. Good thing too, even if it means it's sometimes crappy, sometimes boring, sometimes over-the-top, sometimes inspired. Those old trad songs and tunes were written by somebody once, and evolved as they passed from ear to ear, mouth to mouth, and hand to hand. Todays songs become tomorrow's trad. New instuments and equipment come into it, new singing styles and voices, new standards of musical performance and there ya go... Folk music: it isn't just for patchouli anymore. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Songman Me Date: 08 Mar 05 - 07:04 PM Don't forget the ballads, please. Try to have at least one in your repertoire. Ralph |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Val Date: 09 Mar 05 - 05:13 PM So... Considering the Singers of Olde, who sang what we now call "folk" or "traditional" songs (there's a difference?) when they were fresh and new -- d'ya think they called THEMSELVES "Folk Singers"? Did any of their contemporaries use the term? Or is that a label only applied since the mid-20th-century when record companies needed to know which rack in the store to put an album on to facilitate the consumer? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Leadfingers Date: 09 Mar 05 - 05:52 PM When Cecil Sharp and company were collecting tunes and songs at the end of the eighteenhundreds , THEY called it Folk Music . The term has NOTHING to do with Record companies at all . |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Val Date: 09 Mar 05 - 06:15 PM Cool. So the term "Folk Music" is Traditional! [grin] Thanks for the history note. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Val Date: 09 Mar 05 - 06:16 PM On the other hand, since we know to whom to attribute the term "Folk Music", maybe it's NOT "Traditional". Hmmm... this could get messy. I think I'll drop it. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST Date: 10 Mar 05 - 05:04 AM Once more we seem to have a thread discussing the wide world of folk music peppered by small groups who claim that their particular island own the term and that everyone else misunderstands. This week bbc4 showed a documentary on Broadway Musicals. In it they reported what George Gershwin said about writing Porgy and Bess. He repeatedly described the work as folk music. He said he decided to write new songs so that the whole folk opera could fit together as one piece but wrote with the style and feel of the novel on which he based his work and which he heard during his research. Another strand of folk music. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Mar 05 - 05:14 AM whats a mosh pit? They haven't got them in B & Q yet. I still await my vision of folk music to be widely accepted. i dunno if it'll folk music in a hundred years - sure ain't at the moment. Big Al Whittle |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:13 AM Keep drownin' 'em in the bath Al! S:0) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Fred (Beetle) Bailey Date: 10 Mar 05 - 01:39 PM Whoever said they'd "never heard a horse sing" ??? They'd also never been to OUR coffeehouse. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Jim Date: 11 Mar 05 - 11:14 AM "I still await my vision of folk music to be widely accepted" At least your vision keeps it alive WLD! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: John C. Date: 11 Mar 05 - 05:00 PM Pop music is NOT the folk music of the future - if you believe that it is, you are a MORON and deserve to die, horribly and painfully!!!! I swear, the next time some idiot tells me that 'today's pop music is the folk music of the future' I am going to renounce my lifelong vow of nonviolence and I am going to rip their arm off and beat them to death with soggy end!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: John Routledge Date: 11 Mar 05 - 05:10 PM I have just seen a video of the life of Bert Lloyd. He said "People keep asking me what is folk music and I tell them I don't know. Everybody knows what night is and everybody knows what day is but who knows exactly where day becomes night or night becomes day" |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle Date: 11 Mar 05 - 09:14 PM how the hell does anybody know what the folk music of the future is. It would be great if we could turn our minds occasionally however to some folk music for the present - something that expresses truths about the life we lead , rather than what a bastard it is getting caught by the press gang, being transported, etc. Just off to the disco for a few slip jigs and hornpipes Big Al Whittle |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST,Jim Date: 16 Mar 05 - 11:42 AM "Pop music is NOT the folk music of the future" Well - is it the Pop music of the past then? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Music From: GUEST Date: 16 Mar 05 - 11:59 AM (Folk music that is) |
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