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Subject: Folklore: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:43 AM It's cold. Walking down a street one night late, you take a different route home than usual. The mist is thick, and the streetlights barely light the ground around them... dogs are barking distractedly, and it is quiet and damp, late and lonely. Buttoning up your collar, you turn towards home, and fighting back a shiver, you walk into the chilly night alone... footsteps are heard over the cobbles up ahead, and a dark figure appears to be comming up to you in a steady but unconfrontive manner. When he is close enough to actually touch, it seems you've seen him before... When, in that old familiar voice says he "Ahm jiust headed back from McDonalds, and thainkin o the national debt and hoea ta fix 't raht up... caya ta joan me fo' a few blocks ta hea me aout?" Thank you Mr. Clinton, I'd love to!... and the evening didn't feel so cold anymore... ttr |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Things we liked about Clinton! From: InOBU Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:48 AM Don't forget it is the McDonalds on 125th street in Harlem... |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Bobert Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:21 PM Well, at the time I didn't have too many warm and fuzzy feelings about Clinton but compared to the absolute mess that Bush has made with his shortsighted and mean spirited foriegn policies, Clinton is looking better and better every day. At least he would talk with folks. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Amos Date: 01 Feb 03 - 12:24 PM He communicated with energy and coherence. He was politically slick, as most politicians are, but at least I had a sense that there was a thinking person on the post, who was trying for decent solutions. A |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: mg Date: 01 Feb 03 - 01:21 PM I would button up more than my collar. I would zip and button everything that could be done up with double ties etc. mg |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: katlaughing Date: 01 Feb 03 - 01:58 PM He has a brilliant mind and wasn't afraid to use it, thank gawd. I wish he was handling the mess we are in now. |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM Jeesus, what a waste! Getting a guy into that position who seemed to actually have intelligence (to go along with the pre-requisite ultra-ambition), a skill at music, a sense of history and a somewhat youthful take on life........and then... He ALLOWED his opponents to shine an ugly spotlight on him for eight years, and consequently destroy any chance he had of fulfilling his vast potential. Very sad....very disappointing......and all because of an over-active penis. Pardoning the drug dealers and fundraisers at the end, broke my heart, but by then I simply didn't care anymore. What do you think the odds are that someone of his calibre will run for office again in our lifetimes? I think that the current occupant of the White House is probably the new gold standard....and Bill C. is surely responsible for him being there. What promise. Shame. Cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:12 PM I fear that his "vast potential" was explored to great effect... effects we took for granted, and still do... In my mind, we were complaining about the little dents and shimmies, and now that the accident has happened, we're still in shock, unaware of how the big picture has dramatcally been 'totalled'. Shame is right, Rick! ttr |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:21 PM Alright Guy Todd Snider -- Songs for the Daily Planet You know just the other morning I was hanging around in my house I had that new book with pictures of Madonna naked I was checkin' it out Just then a friend of mine came through the door Said she'd never pegged me for a scumbag before She said she didn't ever want to see me any more And I still don't know why I think I'm an alright guy I think I'm an alright guy I just want to live until I've got to die I know I ain't perfect but God knows I try I think I'm an alright guy I think I'm alright Now maybe I'm dirty And maybe I smoke a little dope Hey it ain't like I'm going on TV And tearing up pictures of the pope I know I get wild and I know I get drunk But it ain't like I got a bunch of bodies in my trunk My old man used to call me a no-good punk And I still don't know why You know just the other night These cops pulled me over outside a bar They turned on their lights And they ordered me out of my car Man I was only kidding when I called 'em a couple of dicks But still they made me do the stupid human tricks Now I'm stuck in this jail with a bunch of dumb hicks And I still don't know why Ohhhh... THAT Clinton... |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:46 PM Mr. Hammond, I may be stupid, and I might be a bore... But I just don't understand what you are getting at with this one. Seriously. Please let me in on the joke... ttr |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 02:50 PM he had a little head..... |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:03 PM Seems to me, that he had everyone's permission on that one... and Monica was being soooo persistant... It's like he probably said... "well, ...alright..." It's not like he was chasing her... Quite the other way around I presume... ttr |
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Subject: RE: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:05 PM Like he was the first American President to get a little on the side... Ya... and Oswald killed Kennedy by himself... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Frankham Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:48 PM "It's the economy stupid".....it was better under Clinton. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Beccy Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:54 PM The thing I like best about Clinton is that he's no longer the President. Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh- it's like removing a sliver- it just feels so much better when its gone! Love ya all- but couldn't stand Clinton! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST,I really shouldn't say it, but... Date: 01 Feb 03 - 04:54 PM Well, what I really liked about Bill was his...Oh, MY! Well, it was just... I mean, it was. Enormous. Seriously. And he had lovely eyes. Bill was a very special man. I value the years I spent in proximity to that delicious, dashing, splendid hunk of a chief executive! And his hair! Well, if you can imagine running your fingers through that hair, my dear, then you have some idea of what paradise is. Just a smidgin! That nasty George Bush is a real disappointment in comparison. I don't think even a young dog would want to do anything with him. Ugh! He's cold. A real cold fish. I pity his wife. Bill was a lot of fun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:25 PM Heh! Bill was fun,... but he did his homework, became rhodes scholar, made our country prosper, was reasonably kind to the rest of the world, and cared about the common man... and his humble beginnings played no small part in his ability to communicate... Come to think of it, George has got a tough act to follow! Now there's an excuse I'd like to hear from the party pecking order line around the chicken scratch out in the 'coup'... buck buck beggah! ;^) ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Bobert Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:38 PM Okay, okay. The guy has to be given a tad more credit than I gave him earlier. He did seem to understand that the ound peg goes in the round hole. That is like, ahhh, learning. I will give him credit for that. Sure, he would sometimes get out his pocket knife and wittle the square peg down until it was round but at least he didn't just go get a bigger hammer and try to force the squrae peg into the round hole like the current guy. Now that's it. I'm not saying anything more nice about the guy 'cause I can't think of any. Well, he does play a decent sex, ahhh, make that sax... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:32 PM I'm trying to come up with something, but try as I may ...no luck at all. He was a good communicator though. Not that I liked what he said, but he said it well. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 03 - 07:51 PM Hey, way to go, Doug! Why are you being a GUEST lately? Lost your cookies? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Rustic Rebel Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM I liked the fact that he wasn't impotent. Peace. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:08 PM I liked him, no waffling about it. He was smart, could think on his feet, was a good orator. And he was ELECTED. I don't care about the Monica stuff--it's easier to deal with than the scantimonius Holier Than Thou lingam Bush is. There were some dumb mistakes, and lots of dirty tricks that kept things like Whitewater going and going and going. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Mudlark Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:18 PM After 8 yrs of Reagan and 4 yrs of Bush Sr. it was such a pleasure just to have someone that was fun to listen to, to watch going thru the political hoops with such panache....his press conferences were a thing of beauty. And he was so believable, all that sincerity burnished to a high gloss with charisma... I didn't trust him any more than I trust any politico but he handled a ton of criticism, mean spirited bad mouthing and dirty tricks right from the beginning of his presidency with grace and humor. And boy do I miss the humor... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: mg Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:21 PM I have never had any emotions to speak of about any politician whatsoever, much less of their husband or wife. But those two gave me the heeby jeebies from the first time I saw them. I said that man is a liar and he couldn't possibly get the nomination. She gives me the worse heeby jeebies. My skin crawls at the mention or sight of either of them. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: NicoleC Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:26 PM 1) He was vastly entertaining 2) He was bright enough to pick out the better parts of both conservative and liberal philosphy -- so of course both sides hated him. 3) He's one of the only musicians out there that could brag about his day job. 4) He once and for all laid to rest the tired joke, "What do you call a saxaphone player without a girlfriend?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Sam L Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:29 PM I agree with Doug R. Clinton was fun to watch just for his smoothness, his skill. He was not my guy, and could've shown some backbone--showing personal and professional loyalty was not his best thing. All the people he'd throw overboard for next to nothing, that bothered me. His persistant economic cheerleading was good, a good idea, probably really helped sooth worry, smooth bumps in the road. If we have to have charismatic t.v. presidents, (do we?)they can at least try to make themselves useful in that way. I think he did that. Reagan was a good speaker too, and seemed to believe what he said(amazing!). Every now and then Bush de jour seems to trip up and mean something he says, sort of, it's kinda hard to tell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:36 PM Why is it that no one seems to remember the reason why Reagan was a good speaker (though not much of an orator)? He was a trained actor (though not a distinguished one), who went to studio school to learn how to do speeches. It seems sad we don't have many orators anymore. It is all sound bytes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: mack/misophist Date: 01 Feb 03 - 09:44 PM Clinton told the truth when he could; and his name isn't bush. What more can one ask? I predict that in a few more years, perfectly innocent Bush's will be changing their names to avoid the taint - the way American Germans did in WW1. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Peg Date: 01 Feb 03 - 11:45 PM Loved him. Articulate, intelligent, compassionate, real. Yes he made some mistakes and he did engineer a few foreign policy/military moves I wish he hadn't. But he wholeheartedly suported women's reproductive rights (declared the so-called Gag Rule illegal), he cared about what the world thought of America and he cared about the environment. He also shored up our economy quite well--I can't imagine how much more quickly we'd have gone down the toilet if he hadn't done (but we're headed there pretty fast now). Can't say any of the above for the blueblood moron sitting in his seat now. More than anything I miss having someone who could write his own speeches, because he could actually think, and then speak, and have it sound as thoughtful as he intended. This was a man who worked his way up from basically nothing to become a Rhodes scholar and a governor and then President. Have to admire that a whole lot more than some smirking fool born into privilege who screwed up basically every educational or business opportunity he ever had...how Dubya got to be president is still beyond my powers of comprehension. I miss Bill! I hope he continues to work in government. We need more peopel like him. Oh, and for the record, I would much rather have a president with a healthy sex drive, even an overactive one, than someone who clearly has very little aptitude in that area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:22 AM He was an intellectual--something no one would EVER accuse any of the Bushes of, or Reagan. The humor was often at his own expense. Did anyone see the video he made of life in the White House that he showed to the Press Corps at their annual banquet a few years back? Hilarious! (I also thought Gore could be a very funny guy, and didn't see him as wooden, as Leno and others portrayed him. But maybe that's because I heard the content in the words, and not just the delivery. Oh, but to have some meaningful content coming from the current resident of the White House!) And the biggest feature of Clinton's presidency? Most of us where a hell of a lot better off in that economy. The national debt was way down and budgets were balanced. Bush has managed in two years to do as much or more damage as Reagan did during his entire presidency. He's so conspicuously peddling as fast as he can, to try to let the rich get richer before his rich boy carcass gets kicked out of office. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST,Terilu Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:30 AM He wasn't Bush! But let's not forget East Timor and the Iraq sanctions, and so many other nasty Bushist things he was only too happy to continue proliferating. He was not really a nice guy at all, in my humble opinion. He was a charmer and a good performer and he loved that limelight, and yes, he was smart. I miss JFK, and I was only 8 when he died. I say we elect a Mudcatter next time around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: katlaughing Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:45 AM Exactly, Peg! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:51 AM He had IT seven days a week
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: DougR Date: 02 Feb 03 - 01:15 PM I tried to think of something, but just can't come with anything. He is a good communicator, but I didn't agree in most instances with what he was communicating. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 02 Feb 03 - 04:05 PM He was a diplomat. Definition of diplomacy: The ability to say "Thank you" in such a manner that the other person knows that you really mean "Fuck you" but there's not a damned thing he can do about it without making an ass out of himself. I also liked his dog. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:10 PM Ok, sure, Bruce, that is a hilarious take on it! May I add to the insufficient meaning your anecdote by saying that the spirit of compromise is not really the same thing as politely telling someone that it doesn't matter what they think, you're gonna do it anyway... ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Date: 02 Feb 03 - 10:51 PM He understood Keynesian economics. He understood that foreign policy doesn't work if your only tool is a one-size-fits-all nailbat. He kept religion out of policy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: GUEST,fox4zero Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:06 AM He could sit down and talk with anyone, face-to-face, definitely a charmer and a thinker. The reason he appeared to be over-sexed, was the contrast with Reagan and BOTH Bush's....none of whom could probably get it up! The only thing I can't handle was the pardons. Some of the Mudcatter critics (M.G.)....your hangups are showing. Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: mack/misophist Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:06 AM Note to Terilu: Yes, Kennedy was charismatic. His platform was a humane one. But look who got it passed; Not him, LBJ, whom we villify because he made the mistake of believing his generals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: mg Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:28 AM me? Hangups? Perish the thought. There is a difference between a common philanderer and a sexual predator. I could care less about the first. I could care less about any voluntary sessions with an adult woman Clinton engaged in. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Things we liked about Clinton! From: dick greenhaus Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:12 AM I don't think I'd like Bill Clinton as either a friend or a houseguest--he sounded like he was lying even when he said good morning. As a president, though, he done jes' fine, especially with regard to domestic policies. |