Subject: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: GUEST,AArk Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:11 PM Anyone know this song? The gist of the chorus is something like:- In another place in another time I'd drink his health with a glass of wine I'd raise it up and drink my fill With the man that I would kill I have heard it sung in a session, have searched books and net to no avail. Only heard it sung by one person, perhaps he's the composer. Its a super song, can anyone provide details of where words can be found? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:19 PM Sounds interesting, AArk - what's the gist of it, besides wanting to kill a drinking buddy? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: Sorcha Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:40 PM I found a lot of songs with this title, but not the right one. Sorry. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: Nevada Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:08 AM It was written by Mick Ryan (Mick Ryan & Pete Harris) I dont know the lyrics right now but i'l get them for you later. Luv AAA x |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: nutty Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:57 AM The song is by Mick Ryan and is called "The Man I Killed" although it is sometimes wrongly titled "My Enemy". It's a wonderful song. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE MAN I KILLED (Mick Ryan) From: Orac Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:54 AM I posted the lyrics to this song some time ago but they don't seem to be here anymore so here they are again.
THE MAN I KILLED
My enemy I first did see with the dawn all in his eye.
CHORUS: In another place, at another time I'd drink his health in a glass of wine.
For who can say why he marched away to join the battle throng?
My enemy I then did see with a musket in his hand.
For who can say why he marched away to meet my deadly aim?
My enemy I then did see in a world of shell and fire.
For who can say why he marched away so far from his native land?
My enemy I could not see with his children in his arms.
For who can say why we march away? we have reasons of our own. Better still, you can buy Mick's book of his songs from him or from the publishers. E-mail info@jacaranda-music.com. The book is £8 plus £1 p&p. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: GUEST,AArk Date: 03 Feb 03 - 06:09 PM Many thanks for the responses, especially ORAC for the mammoth typing effort. Can the powers that be can add the lyrics to the Database for others to discover? As a newcomer to the Internet and communicating by computer in this way, its heartning to have found this marvellous community especially in these uncertain times. I hope to be able to contribute in the future. May Mudcat go from strength to strength. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: GUEST,MCP Date: 03 Feb 03 - 06:23 PM Orac's original post at: Tune Req: Need song about war/soldier/pacif Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: Orac Date: 04 Feb 03 - 06:55 AM Ah.. so there it is.. drat!.. How did you find it. I tried the search and it drew a blank. Its a bit tidier there too!! Still a great song though as Mick's usually are.. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: GUEST,MCP Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:00 AM I used the search on your name for your post history. (Click Orac in the From: header of any of your posts). Then it was just guessing the thread title! Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'another place another time' From: GUEST,MCP Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:10 AM I might add that my preferred method of searching for song threads is to use part of the title in the Filter box with Age set to All. It's far more reliable and quicker than the Search. However it does depend on something recognisable being in the thread title, which wasn't true in this case. Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: GUEST,Lady Elizabeth Date: 03 Aug 19 - 10:57 AM I'm thinking of learning the Man I killed, and although I can remember the chorus tune from the singing of dear Andy Jackson (bless hiim) I don't have any idea how the tune for the verses. I haven't been able to find it on YouTube and I don't read music. has Mick Ryan recorded it? It would be good to buy his own CD if poss. Elizabeth. . |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 03 Aug 19 - 11:15 AM It was on Mick Ryan & Pete Harris The Widow's Promise. There's a used copy available on amazon at the moment cd: The Widow's Promise - £9.98 + £1.26 postage. Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: GUEST Date: 03 Aug 19 - 01:37 PM Isn't it by Thomas Hardy?- there is certainly a very similar poem of his which I can't find just now |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 03 Aug 19 - 02:09 PM Hardy - The Man He Killed. It's not the same, but it might have been part of his inspiration. Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: GUEST,Lady Elizabeth Date: 05 Aug 19 - 07:50 AM Many thanks Mick P, will try that! xx |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: Joe_F Date: 05 Aug 19 - 05:55 PM It puzzles me that the song, tho evidently recent, seems to be set in WW I. (Or were white feathers used in more recent wars?) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: GUEST,Mark Date: 06 Aug 19 - 10:33 AM I'm not sure Joe F is reading the lyrics I read (posted by Orac 03 Feb 03 - 10:54 AM ) Those lyrics seem to fall into 4 periods - fighting with swords, with muskets, with artillery and rifles, and finally with bombs or missiles at a distance. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Nov 21 - 05:30 PM What is the significance of white feathers? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Man I Killed (Mick Ryan) From: GerryM Date: 16 Nov 21 - 12:56 AM Here's what Wikipedia says about white feathers:
As a symbol of cowardice In the United Kingdom and the countries of the British Empire since the 18th century, the white feather has sometimes represented cowardice. As such, it was used by patriotic groups, including prominent members of the Suffragette movement and early feminists, to shame men into enlisting. Accordingly, the white feather supposedly comes from cockfighting and the belief that a cockerel sporting a white feather in its tail is likely to be a poor fighter. Pure-breed gamecocks do not show white feathers and so its presence indicates that the cockerel is an inferior cross-breed. The Crusades Shame was exerted upon men in England and France who had not taken the cross at the time of the Third Crusade. "A great many men sent each other wool and distaff, hinting that if anyone failed to join this military undertaking they were only fit for women's work". World War I In August 1914, at the start of World War I, Admiral Charles Fitzgerald founded the Order of the White Feather with the support of the prominent author Mary Augusta Ward. The organisation aimed to shame men into enlisting in the British army by persuading women to present them with a white feather if they were not wearing a uniform.[4][5] Although the draft would conscript both sexes, only males would be on the front lines. While the true effectiveness of the campaign is impossible to judge, it spread throughout several other nations in the empire. In Britain, it started to cause problems for the government when public servants and men in essential occupations came under pressure to enlist. That prompted Home Secretary Reginald McKenna to issue employees in state industries with lapel badges reading "King and Country" to indicate that they were serving the war effort. Likewise, the Silver War Badge, which was given to service personnel who had been honourably discharged by wounds or sickness, was first issued in September 1916 to prevent veterans from being challenged for not wearing uniform. Anecdotes from the time indicate that the campaign was not popular among soldiers, not least because soldiers who were home on leave could find themselves presented with feathers. One example was Private Ernest Atkins, who was on leave from the Western Front. He was riding a tram when he was presented with a white feather by a girl sitting behind him. He smacked her across the face with his pay book and said, "Certainly I'll take your feather back to the boys at Passchendaele. I'm in civvies because people think my uniform might be lousy, but if I had it on I wouldn't be half as lousy as you". Private Norman Demuth, who had been discharged from the British Army after he had been wounded in 1916, received numerous white feathers after he returned from the Western Front. In Forgotten Voices of the Great War, Demuth is quoted as saying: "Almost the last feather I received was on a bus. I was sitting near the door when I became aware of two women on the other side talking at me, and I thought to myself, 'Oh Lord, here we go again'. One lent forward and produced a feather and said, 'Here's a gift for a brave soldier. I took it and said,'Thank you very much- I wanted one of those.' Then I took my pipe out of my pocket and put this feather down the stem and worked it in a way I've never worked a pipe cleaner before. When it was filthy I pulled it out and said, 'You know, we didn't get these in the trenches', and handed it back to her. She instinctively put out her hand and took it, so there she was sitting with this filthy pipe cleaner in her hand and all the other people on the bus began to get indignant. Then she dropped it and got up to get out, but we were nowhere near a stopping place and the bus went on quite a long way while she got well and truly barracked by the rest of the people on the bus. I sat back and laughed like mad." Supporters of the campaign were not easily put off. A woman who confronted a young man in a London park demanded to know why he was not in the army. "Because I am a German", he replied. He received a white feather anyway. Perhaps the most misplaced use of a white feather was when one was presented to Seaman George Samson, who was on his way in civilian clothes to a public reception in his honour. Samson had been awarded the Victoria Cross for gallantry in the Gallipoli campaign. Roland Gwynne, later the mayor of Eastbourne (1929–1931) and a lover of suspected serial killer John Bodkin Adams, received a feather from a relative. That prompted him to enlist, and he would receive the Distinguished Service Order for bravery. The writer Compton Mackenzie, then[when?] a serving soldier, complained about the activities of the Order of the White Feather. He argued that "idiotic young women were using white feathers to get rid of boyfriends of whom they were tired". The pacifist Fenner Brockway said he received so many white feathers that he had enough to make a fan. World War II The white feather campaign was briefly renewed during World War II. Etc., etc. |
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