BS: I Have No Opinion

Subject: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 11:54 PM

I have decided to refrain from doing or saying anything controversial. I have decided to stop having opinions. They are more hassle than they are worth. If someone insists on eliciting an opinion from me I will endeavor to offer one as neutral and middle-of-the road as I can possibly fabricate. If a neutral answer is impossible I will admit that both sides have their valid points. Then I will tug my beard and go, "Hmmmmm.....".

From now on I will only post to OBIT threads. Furthermore, I will only say "Rest in Peace". I will offer no opinions about the deceased since it is highly likely that I will either praise them too lightly for those who worshipped them or praise them to highly for those who thought they were hacks.

In place of the opinions I used to have, I now assert the following:

George W. Bush is a person from Texas
Saddam Hussein is a person from Iraq.
Abortion is a medical procedure
Marijuana is a plant
War is a three-letter word
Enron is Norne spelled backwards

I know with absolute certainty that all of the above are true beyond a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a troublemaker and is itching for a fight.

Insofar as any further comments I might make in this thread might be construed as non-factual and, therefore, a matter of opinion, I will close now.

Thank you and have a nice day (or night as tthe case may be),

Bruce

PS: As you can see, my list above is quite short. I'm rather new at this no opinion stuff. If you would like to help out by adding some facts that you know are true and not a matter of opinion, I would greatly appreciate it. Please be certain that they are empirically verifiable.

Still Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:08 AM

And this be law, I will maintain
Until my dying day, sir,
That whatsoever king may reign,
Still I'll be the Vicar of Bray, sir!

Mebbe not a good idea, Bruce. I sympathize with the viewpoint, but I think it was Dante who said that the lowest rung in Hell was reserved for those who, in controversial issues, maintained a "colorless neutrality." Nevertheless, "until the times do alter," one of the aspects of Freedom of Speech is freedom not to speak.

Hmm. This may be kinda like trying to quit smoking. Let's see how long you can keep it up. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Sam L
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:13 AM

Twain--Quitting smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I've done it thousands of times.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: khandu
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:20 AM

"Anyone who thinks otherwise is a troublemaker and is itching for a fight."

I believe that the above statement is an opinion, therefore you have failed your resolution.

At least, that is my opinion.

k

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:22 AM

Ken - I left that one in there just in case someone was stupid enough to think I was serious.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: khandu
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:35 AM

Facts, not opinions:

Joe Offer does not approve of birthday threads.

Bee-dubya-ell's state governor has a brother who is a person from Texas.

Ross Perot is a person from Texas.

Bee-dubya-ell's state governor has a brother who is not Ross Perot.

I am not Ross Perot.

I am tired and silly tonight.

I like the opinionated Bee-dubya-ell better than the other one.

I will create a birthday thread for Joe Offer sometime in August.

k

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:52 AM

Thanks for the smile folks.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 02:34 AM

OK, what have you done with the real Beedubya?

We'll pay up to and including 1 Mudcat calendar (2001), 6 melodeons (hell, they have to be good for SOMETHING!), 5lbs cookies and a small damp fish.

Leave him on the bridge under the clock at midnight, wearing a pink carnation and a pick up truck.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 02:47 AM

Happy birthday, khandu.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: leprechaun
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 02:48 AM

I think you ought to shave that silly looking beard. Why do all you old folkies have to look like Aqualung or Charlie Wooster?

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 04:03 AM

Nice touch, Joe.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 06:47 AM

Hmmmmmm...one of Dodgson's sorities:

" Bee-dubya-ell's state governor has a brother who is a person from Texas.

Ross Perot is a person from Texas.

Bee-dubya-ell's state governor has a brother who is not Ross Perot.

I am not Ross Perot.

I am tired and silly tonight."

I work it out to be the Bee-dubya-ell is tired and silly, the governor of a state that is not Texas, or Ross Perot. Possibly all three: he is Ross Perot, who is the tired and silly governor of a state that is not Texas, but only tonight.

My old Logic teacher won't believe that I could work that out!

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 06:54 AM

My old Logic teacher won't believe that I could work that out!
Is that an opinion or an empirically verifiable fact?

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:39 AM

My truth for the day: Bee-dubya-ell is a tall guy with a scruffy beard who is kind to itinerant bodhranis.

As a former Federal employee, one is all I can come up with.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 09:44 AM

The sky is falling...and it ain't chicken little who says so...

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 10:48 AM

Well, I don't know about the sky falling katlaughing, but a bogus crisis has been created by Joe and the clones regarding what is and what isn't "acceptable" posting of BS threads. More invisible rules, know only to those who create and enforce them, that the rest of us never knew existed. Rules that still haven't been defined. To solve problems that have yet to be identified as problems by anyone except Joe and the clones.

And one thing is for fucking sure, if the forum is going to be moderated, it certainly needs some non-American moderators, who understand irony and don't take every little thing like the opening post of this thread, or the original "Terror alert: Purple haze" thread that started Bruce off, so literally. According to Joe, the problem with that thread and it's original post was that it didn't give the author's opinion or position on the subject, or some such bullshit.   Bruce complained about the deletion of the thread, not me (the thread originator).

It would help if the moderators of the forum were both politically and socially tolerant and astute. A large part of the "problem" they have created has come about because they are neither. And that, to a large extent, is what has caused this faux "crisis" that Joe and the clones claim they are responding to with the new jack boot rules. Intolerance lack of political astuteness on Joe & the clones' part.

One thing that isn't getting recognized here is the problem of just dumping all politically related BS, all Iraq and all PEL threads into one daily thread. It totally destroys the continuity necessary to have a thread that is of value to anyone. When a thread goes over a hundred posts, most people stop reading them because everything has already been said at least twice, and the thread becomes repetitive. So when we see 300+ post threads on Iraq still getting posts moved to them by Joe and clones, Joe and the clones have effectively censored the discussion. Nothing substantially different from what is already being said, is being discussed in those uber threads after 100 posts.

Another problem with the consolidation/deletion tactic for threads on subjects like Iraq, especially in light of the de facto forum moderators lack of political knowledge and acumen, is that Joe and the clones do not now, and likely never will, appreciate the subtle differences in one thread, being spun off to another thread for discussion. The reason we have for doing that isn't to make ourselves a pain in the ass. We are doing it because that is proper netiquette. There is such a fine line between natural thread drift, and thread hijacking, and Joe and the clones seem to be totally ignoring the very creative and civil ways that the posters to the political, Iraq, and PEL threads are already dealing with the thread drift/thread hijacking issue on their own. Or I should say, had been dealing with the issue until the new jack boot rules were imposed.

Like I said in the "Thread Proliferation Thread" I shudder to think what would have happened to the Drumcree threads under "the new rules". I can't think of another series of BS threads started here which have been more full of frivolity, a darker and more ironic sense of humor regarding the musicians being skewed in the threads, and a better parody of Mudcat that wasn't understood by so many of the Mudcat insiders, who are now dictating to the rest of the forum's users, what is and isn't an "acceptable" way to start a new thread.   

But maybe katlaughing, you didn't get the joke of the Drumcree threads, because they parodied Mudcat members like you, who were bellowing and complaining so loudly about anonymous guests who also post using multiple identities, starting multiple, frivolous threads about the same political subjects over and over again, like the Northern Ireland threads, that cause heated debates here in the forum.

The Drumcree threads would be gone in no time for sure now, because those threads fit every single "problem" Joe has outlined with the BS threads. Every single one of them.

Long live the Drumcree threads? Nah. The "new Mudcat" wouldn't allow a Drumcree thread to last beyond an hour.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:07 AM

A frequent troll tactic is to wring all the meanings the troll wishes to argue about, out of a short, ambiguous post. People do this in person when all they want to do is twist someone's tail or bring up an old upset having nothing to do with present time. I usually smile when this occurs and say, "Thanks for writing such a dramatic script for me.... unfortunately it's not based on reality, so I don't see a part in for me."

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:13 AM

No-one is better than anyone else. (oh shoot- that could be construed as an opinion)

Music soothes the savage beast.(oh- hell, that could be opinion also, depending on what kind of music, the individual beast prefers)

I am who I am. (crap- that could be a controversy with myself)

Ok- I've got it- Yes, I believe marijuana is a plant.

Peace.(marches continue on)Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: fiddler
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:27 AM

Cogito ero sum!

And I'll Never Stop!

with alot going on at present I expect double postings and with strong feelings I expect controversy Waht I like about Mudcat is we still keep talking about it all over the hemispheres!

Might be a good job we don't live next door sometimes - but what the hell.

Thats me Wart and all - AS far as I know the comments on TExans and Leading American figures cannot be substantiated by me so I accept them as potentially fact but possibly op9inions :-)
But marijuana - I know - that is if a plant is a plant and not some other life form whch we are not advanced enought to distinguish yet!

Descates Rules KO

Luvnugs
A
XXX
Luvnugs

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: fiddler
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:28 AM

OK My spelling is a bit iffy - that is a fact you can all see and not disagree with!

Cogito ergo sum - to mention but one!

A

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:43 AM

"When a thread goes over a hundred posts, most people stop reading them because everything has already been said at least twice, and the thread becomes repetitive."
Precisely!

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:59 AM

The universe is vast and mostly incomprehensible to me.

Politics is mostly grey areas, and I tend to think in either black or white.

War hurts people.

Peg is a smart person.

I'm a smartass, but only because I'm stupid and inconsequential...

I love music that suits my mood at any specific time.

Love is a good thing.

Gangland romance is a waste of good, productive nights at home, practicing new material...

Good sex is better than none at all.

'The status quo is our point of departure' ttr

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 12:16 PM

"When a thread goes over a hundred posts, most people stop reading them because everything has already been said at least twice, and the thread becomes repetitive."

Then SINSULL replied:

"Precisely!"

But SINSULL, the problem with the new rules is that they don't allow for the constant changes occurring, some changes coming in waves in a single day--all which make for different aspects of the subject.

Take Iraq for example. There are the UN weapons inspections. There are the actions of Saddam Hussein. There are the actions of the different agencies of the US government, some of which have been and continue to be, downright contradictory. There is the anti-war movement. There are the on-going direct actions being taken by the anti-war movement. There is the mainstream media's propaganda campaign. There is the position of the EU. The position of Tony Blair. The dissenting positions of some in the Labour government. The widespread opposition to war with Iraq of the British citizenry.

It is wholly unrealistic to keep all that to one or two threads. On slow news days, it might be possible to keep to one thread on the topic of Iraq, but with the buildup towards war, that becomes less and less possible. People are deeply troubled and concerned by what is happening. Mudcat is a forum that should be able to tolerate the many threads people are starting to discuss all these aspects of the impending military escalation.

The even more troubling aspect of the "new rules" is that not only are the Iraq threads getting consolidated in such a way that one can't make any rational sense out of the discussions because too many "threads" have converged in one discussion, but that threads which are in no way associated with Iraq or PEL are being messed with too. Like the two threads I have started and have been messed with, the Vonnegut thread and the new US Justice Dept case against sellers of drug paraphenalia.   It is members, not this anonymous guest, who first and most vociferously objected to those two threads being messed with by Joe or the clones.

Sliding a little further down the censorship slippery slope, threads and posts by well respected members of the forum are now being messed with as well.

Where will it end? Who are Joe and the clones going to go after next in their purge campaign?

It would be easiest and fairest just to do away with BS altogether at this point, and make this a music only forum, rather than force people to tow Joe's party line, and live with what clearly is the bad judgment being exercised here.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 04:24 PM

Joe's party line... Just call 1-900-COOL GUY... Guest, if you don't relax, we're going to do it for you. This forum is only threatened by your type of provocation, and Joe is wonderful to smooth things out for us. On the other hand, Guests in general, do nothing to mend the fabric of this forum... and any public forum needs facilitation, and Joe is one of the best... anywhere. ttr

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:18 PM

Hmm . . . once GUEST grabbed the tiller, this thread (wherever the hell it was going) didn't just drift, it veered wildly and crashed into the Jersey barrier. Still limping along, I guess, despite continuing to scrape off sheet metal and throw sparks as it occasionally carooms off the barrier again. I sure wonder what goes on in peoples' alleged minds sometimes. . . .

Don Firth
mutter mutter mumble. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

Well, danged! (opinion)

Hey, folks, I think we all recognize that maybe the forum has been *over-tweeked* here a tad. I can see Joe's point in that some of the threads that have been started over the last few months have been "repetitive", and many that weren't started out to be repetitive ended up so because of the issues but I think the *hair trigger* that Joe has installed is overkill.

I'm not sure I would want his job because he is going to make some one angry at some point in time for either "closing" a thread or "combining" one with another.

I would just remind Joe and others that these are times not of our choosing. These are times when emotions do run high and when there is a lot on the line. Most of us have never been thru times as these. In 1962, there wasn't a groundswell of opposition when only one Senator voted against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. And there was little resistence for the actions in Kosovo, Kuwait, etc. But these are different and trying times.

As folk musicans who as artists try to capture the sentiments of the times, it is imporatant for the issues at hand to be discussed in an open and uncensored manner as long as folks aren't threatening each other. This, as artists, is our call to duty.

I would hope that Joe would mind a greater level of sensitivity to this "call to duty" and respect the process that artists use as *information* in the ceation of theor work.

That's what I am asking?

This isn't about Guest v. Non-Guests, but the health of a folk community grappling with some very difficult times. Hey, trolls are trolls. We're all adult here to know them when we read them and respond accordingly.

And, I think there is a lot of information that the governemnt does not want us to know and if someone has some to share, I don't think they should be marginalized. It's not like, if these folks are misinformed, that the entire Mudcat community will follow them off a cliff.

I think it would do us all good to remember what happened to media during the McCarthy erra and resist going too far down that path.

So, Joe, I would ask that you show a little more tolerance here and allow a little more time before flushing a thread that you might not initially understand or think is the same old story.

Thank you

Bob Harrison (Bobert)

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Peg
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 06:34 PM

Anonymous GUESTS are unknown to most of us.

Joe has a thankless job.

Politics is a precise word for a maddeningly imprecise set of meanings.

Bobert's passion outshines his spelling.

Love makes the world go 'round..or, at least, makes the heart go ping!

Thomas makes rhymes that make sense.

Marijuana is a very useful plant.

Peace is something worth working for.

Rick Fielding is running out of peanut oil.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: The Pooka
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 07:14 PM

artbrooks - "As a former Federal employee, one is all I can come up with."

>(Opinion) We State employees can do much better. (Fact) We can start a vast project with a half-vast idea. (Boast) Before breakfast.

>(Simile) Opinions are like Assholes. (Fact) Everybody's got one.

>(Metaphor) Guest is an Asshole. (Fact) That's my Opinion.

>(Fact) I used to be a Guest. (Interrogatory) So, who cares?

> (Opinion) Hurrah fer BeeDub! (Factoid) Any anecdote in a Ronald Reagan speech. (Trapezoid) Wunna them high-wire fellers. (Betazoid) Counselor Deanna Troi. (BetaMax) What Asshole Guests used to do before Joe Offer became the Human Shield.

Ah well. Thanks BeeDubya, you irascibobble loveabule ol' no-opinions no-account Bolshie, you; good thread here & well-timed bedad. / "Cogito ergo sum." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...My God! I don't exist!!! (I'm melllllltinggggg...:)

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 07:35 PM

Human Shield? Yeah, I DO feel like that at times. I have to say, though, that some of the indignation expressed in the last week has been almost poetic. It's not often that you find narcissists who are so eloquent in defense of their own fragile self-esteem.

It's not often that I meet people who take themselves quite so seriously. I guess I'm glad I don't have to meet them in person.

It's great comedy, though.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 07:51 PM

hey! lets invite them to the Getaway, Joe...we could have a workshop or two on "Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories"...paper bags to wear over heads provided!....(I would like to see them eat lunch that way, though)

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:02 PM

"Yeah." --Vinny Barbarino

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: The Pooka
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:41 PM

"It's great comedy, though." Yer a Saint, Joe. Hold on to that attitude, man. / Paper bags on heads at workshop HAW HAW woo woo yes yes / but lunch, no...need a trough...suuuuEEEEEEEEE! whew! hee hee Bottom-Feeders of the Mudcat, by God...Bull-heads do adore them rotted chicken livers y'know...always Bite the Big One..."I'm a Troll! Pole de Wole! An' I'll eat you, fer Sup-per!!" // (Interrogatory) Say, am I getting prejudiced, here? (Opinion) No. Postjudiced. Been There, Seen That. :)
Love,
Blest the Leaded Pest

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: fiddler
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 09:22 PM

yup ther have been a lot of threads - Combining them is not quite censorship as long as they are not 'deleted'

Teh potential conflict in the middle east means a lot to all of us and its is only right that there is discussion (although I prefer music and stuff!) - but why not one new thread per day thats not censorship its pooling resources and letting more minds meet.

PEL is a MASSIVE worry to us over here - I have watched most of the threads and most are relevant but could be one per day to keep the size down and same arguments as above.

I like it here! Lets suck it and see and sorry guys opinions here!
Freedom of speach - if we let Anarchy out of the bag it has shown never to be a success - or has it - is that purely an unifoemed opinion taught to me by purile mind controlling teachers and lecturers in my youth?

Can anyone help!!!!

Hugs

ZXXXZ

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 10:05 PM

Fact #1: Just got in from spending all day at a Renaissance Faire selling pottery and playing guitar with folks. It was a bit rainy but it was.... errrrr.... I can't say fun, can I? That would be an opinion, wouldn't it? Anyway, I got home, ate a taco, turned on the computer and you guys' made me laugh. I would say that you are all a great bunch of folks, but that would be another opinion. That opinion, if I had it, would extend to all members even if I didn't share their politics before I ceased having opinions.   

Fact #2: I skipped over GUEST's posts. I have no idea what the fuck he/she might be going on about this time. Please do not attempt to enlighten me.

Fact #3: I am not the governor of Florida. He is shorter and still has hair on the top of his head wheras all of mine has fallen down onto my face.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 10:11 PM

I was going to post that this was the most intelligent "opinion" thread I've seen on the Mudcat lately, until I reached

From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 10:48 AM

Forget it. But it was a nice try.

I'm tellin' ya, it goes away when it's ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Tinker
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 11:34 PM

Fact, this thread has made me smile.

Fact, I would love to video the Urban Myths and Conspiracy Workshop, with the working title "nameless voices in the night"...

Fact, Mudcat is a community, complete with a bit of lunaticity...whoops perhaps that's opinion...


Tinker

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: gnu
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 07:38 AM

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 09:42 AM

It appears that gnu really does have no opinion.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: fiddler
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:01 AM

Well that's your opinion - careful!

Or is that my opinion on your comment whihc could be fact!

this thread meade me LOL at times and gave poor sad old me infinite pleasure compared to the PEL whcih I am deeply in to and The Gulf thing which I hate but is out of my control too!

so worthwile and brilliant and now back to work - another half a database to write!

A

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:08 AM

I find GUEST'S post fascinating. We have finally gotten to the bottom of it:
"It would be easiest and fairest just to do away with BS altogether at this point, and make this a music only forum, rather than force people to tow Joe's party line, and live with what clearly is the bad judgment being exercised here."

Joe beat you at your own game. Chalk up one for the Father!

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:57 AM

"If you would like to help out by adding some facts that you know are true and not a matter of opinion, I would greatly appreciate it. Please be certain that they are empirically verifiable." Bee-Dubya-ell

There is only one profession in the world that is honorable, and only those who pursue that profession are brilliant, witty, charming, good-looking, interesting...

...and have opinions worth listening to (or, in the case of forums, reading).

That divine profession is Potter.

Just the facts Ma'm, just the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: *daylia*
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:11 AM

"That divine profession is Potter".

Aw heck John, I thought you were going to say Mother. Why, oh why not?? I'm soooo disappointed ... and that's a fact!

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 11:18 AM

A music only, member only forum is what quite a few old-timers (brought to you by the "Good Old Days of Mudcat Band) and a gaggle of newcomers would prefer, SINSULL. It isn't about winning and losing, though. It is about drawing and keeping the sort of posters here that would make this an actual music forum. That isn't what it is anymore. Mudcat hasn't been a music forum for a couple of years now. The BSers who used this place as their personal support group took care of that. Now they are howling for a clampdown on political BS and guests, because the perceive both as interfering with the discussion being about them and their clubhouse issues.

Thing is, the most vocal of sycophants don't want a music only forum. The majority of them would prefer a member-only forum though, as it would help them police the clubhouse, and keep those who don't share their personal agenda here, out. People who would rather discuss politics than their latest surgeries or therapy issues.

This has only been a "war" with "winners and losers" in the minds of those who are trying so hard to make this forum reflect them and their personal tastes. To most people who come through Mudcat, I don't think it matters. If they are interested in music, they almost immediately move on to greener pastures, or lurk now and then.

Regular posters here tend to forget that the majority of people who come here will never make a single post to the forum. They also won't join as members.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 12:08 PM

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: gnu
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 03:58 PM

Guest 02 Mar 03 - 11:18 AM said... "The majority of them would prefer a member-only forum though..."

That is YOUR opinion... if you believe it is a statement of fact, back it up. Otherwise, feel free to babble on, because this is not a member-only forum, has never been, and may never be. These are the facts as we know them.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 12:34 AM

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:38 AM

Sorry... didn't mean to kill the thread. I was enjoying it until I came along.

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:40 AM

The wise old Mother Superior from the convent in Tipperary was dying. The nuns gathered around her bed trying to make her comfortable. They gave her some warm milk to drink, but she refused it. Then, one nun took the glass back to the kitchen. Remembering a bottle of Irish whiskey received as a gift the previous Christmas, she opened it and poured a generous amount into the warm milk. She returned to the Mother Superior's bed and held the glass to her pale, bloodless lips. Mother took a little sip, then a little more. Before they knew it, she'd drank the whole glass down to the last drop. "Mother," the nun asked in earnest, "Please give us a word of wisdom before you leave us to go to your well-deserved reward."
The stricken Mother painfully raised herself up in bed and with a pious look on her face said, "Don't sell that cow!"

Subject: RE: BS: I Have No Opinion
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:58 PM

I don't look like Aqualung OR Charlie Wooster.