BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia

Subject: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 May 03 - 01:23 AM

I found it hard to believe that this has been going on and very sad. The students who are making a change for a unified prom are to be commended, imo. The full story is HERE:

By ELLIOTT MINOR, Associated Press Writer

ALBANY, Ga. - A year after holding their first integrated prom, some students at Taylor County High School have decided to again hold a separate, private party for whites only.
       While many whites say they still plan to attend next week's integrated prom, the decision to hold the whites-only prom this Friday saddened senior Gerica McCrary, who helped organize last year's dance.
       "I cried," said McCrary, who is black. "The black juniors said, 'Our prom is open to everyone. If you want to come, come.'"
       Juniors are in charge of planning the prom each year and last year they decided to have just one dance — the first integrated prom in 31 years in the rural Georgia county 150 miles south of Atlanta.
       Until then, parents and students organized separate proms for whites and blacks after school officials stopped sponsoring dances, in part because they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 03 - 04:54 AM

It was only a few years ago that the principal of a South Carolina school announced that if anyone came to the prom with a member of another race, he would cancel the prom.
So much for local control of education.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 02 May 03 - 06:21 AM

In a school district in California, Latinos demanded and got a prom separate from the Anglos. I remember the story from a couple of years ago, but I have forgotten the details.
Social separation is hard to get away from in areas where there are two large groups with a distinct difference between them. The differences take time to be resolved and careful solutions by those in authority.

In my city, more and more students are entering private, or charter schools. These schools are encouraged by the Provincial government. Separation is by income level and intelligence quotients, but since immigrants generally have smaller incomes as well as more difficulty in passing entrance requirements, a high degree of racial separation results. Catholic and non-Catholic students have had separate schools for many years. As would be expected, the non-Catholic public school system is suffering the most from loss of students.

Segregation of one type or another is alive and well.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 May 03 - 03:34 PM

I know whose prom will rock more. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: MarkS
Date: 02 May 03 - 03:54 PM

But we are making some progress, as evidenced by the fact that we are discussing it and denouncing it. Within my lifetime, the thought of a segregated anything would have been accepted as a given.
I suspect that within a few generations the notion of segregation will be thought of as an oddball custom from the dark ages, much like corsets and prohibition are thought of today.
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 May 03 - 04:17 PM

This morning's New Orleans Times-Picayune (Friday 5/2/03) had a prominently featured story on the first integrated prom at St. James High School.

That's a public, not parochial school -- St. James Parish is a rural area in South Louisiana, well outside New Orleans. Civil "parishes" in Louisiana are the equivalent of "counties" in the other 49 states. The fact that a single high school serves the entire parish/county should give some idea of just how rural an area we're talking about.

I suppose it's bad news that they had separate black and white proms up into the 21st century (through last year), but good news that they finally united. As usual in these cases, the kids have been anxious to finally intgegrate while adults have been the regressive force trying to preseve the "traditions" of the bad old days.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 May 03 - 04:22 PM

Darkness and ignorance...

Like children afraid of the dark....

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Ed.
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:41 PM

I'm sorry if I'm being dim here, but in the UK such prejudice would be against the law.

Of course anyone can hold a 'private party' and invite whoever they wish. Is that what's happening here?

We have our 'Race Relations' acts which seem to work pretty well (though I'm sure some would disagree with me on that)

How does US law deal with such things?

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:51 PM

Right, they get around it by not having school sponsorship. But its apparently more obtructionsist than that as well. Amazing.

"Public schools in the rural South ignored federal orders to desegregate for decades. Taylor County did not allow blacks and whites to sit in the same classrooms until 16 years after the 1954 Supreme Court ruling in Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, which declared segregated schools unconstitutional.

Many rural Georgia high schools didn't integrate until the 1970s. After that, many school officials stopped sponsoring proms, in part because of the fear of interracial dating. "

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:53 PM

oh, the cite sorry:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/04/22/integrated.prom.ap/

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: John Hindsill
Date: 02 May 03 - 08:20 PM

I read about this in the LA Times a day or two ago and shook my head in sadness and disbelief. As a person who lived among Blacks and Asian descendants from 6th grade on, I have never understood such idiocy.

A few weeks ago, also in the Times, there was a story about an enclave in southern Africa that is so White that they will not allow non-Whites in even as day laborers or household help.

Lord, help us!

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 03 - 09:20 PM

All hatred is based in fear.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:00 PM

Georgia's a really quirky place. Columbus, where we live, is a very international city, even though it's not very big. We had dinner this evening out on the sidewalk in the artsy-fartsy part of town while a classical guitarist provided some lovely music for our entertainment. Inside the restaurant, there was a lady dressed in fish-net stockings, hotpants, and a bustier, as a walking advertisement for an upcoming "Rocky Horror Picture Show" event.

Taylor County is pretty close to here. We saw the story on our local news. I see signs around town that race relations are in the process of healing, although it doesn't look to me like folks have completely figured it all out yet. Traditions seem to die hard among the people who were born and raised in this area, but it's kind of easy not to be too effected by that in Columbus since a large percentage of the people who live here come from a lot of other places (all over the world). I haven't really spent any amount of time in the more rural areas. It sounds like they still have ways to go yet.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Mr Happy
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:48 PM

if they don't want interacial dating- they should do the segregation by gender- not race.

have all boys proms, any ethnic group welcome- similarly all girl proms.

they could be structured as practice for stag or hen nights.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 02 May 03 - 10:54 PM

Oh geez, I have to go and live in Atlanta for 5 months. How will I EVER keep my mouth shut?

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 03 - 11:25 PM

I just saw an update on the local news. The reporters did their best to embarass the people heading into the "Whites only" prom (which was held here in Columbus) by interviewing them and asking them if they didn't consider what they were doing to be racist. The students didn't come out of the encounter looking too good. Neither did the company that owns the place where it was held.

GUEST,pdc, I think if you speak up about it when you're in Atlanta, you'll be preaching to the choir. Atlanta and Taylor County may be geographically close, but culturally, they're worlds apart.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Louie Roy
Date: 03 May 03 - 11:05 AM

Since this prom is being held in a public school in all fairness to the public ,the students the school the Principal should cancel the Prom and then the school board should adopt a strict rule that in the future this type of bigotry will no longer be tolerated in this school.This type of bullshit has gone on far to long.Louie Roy

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 03 May 03 - 11:10 AM

Loui Roy, it was held in a private facility about 50 miles away from the school. The school doesn't sponsor any proms.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 May 03 - 09:27 PM

LaughKat - your Wymoaning sojourn left you out of touch - what a vicarious life you lead. Its about finances NOT the twisted "dirty secret" your mind imagines.

Q - RIGHT ON!!!

Latino proms have been a part of the USA's Southwestern culture for at least 15 years that I know of.

The Latino Prom - is NOT a sanctioned Associated Student Body school sponsored activity. It is organized by the parents for their children.

Its main feature is its low cost. ASB Prom Bids today begin at 150.00 per couple. The formal tux and gown are added on, then dinner, and sometimes a limo. Per couple the cost frequently exceeds $500.00. For immigrant families, on low incomes with multiple children and....sometimes children with children the cost is excessive.

The Latino Prom is held at a local "hall." The dress is "fancy/nice" NOT FORMAL, therefore, the cousin's Quincinera dress or the black funeral jacket or sports-coat and tie are just fine. The parents cook, an uncle DJ's, the students decorate. Think of it as your "grand-parents" spring-fling. It is fun, it is reasonable, it builds community. The cost is around $50.00 per couple and "putting on the Ritz" is frowned upon. At some high-school the Latino Prom exceeds the attendance at the Junior Senior Prom by two and even three fold.

Why are you such a racist LaughKat?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 May 03 - 10:20 PM

That's the biggest laugh I've had in days, GregGarg. Once again your love for me has blinded you. But, of course, that's the norm for some of you in SoCal.

Thanks, everyone else for your sane and interesting comments.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 04 May 03 - 11:19 PM

The money factor doesn't apply in this case Gargoyle. Most of the students who went to the "Whites only" prom are also attending the prom that is being held for both Blacks and Whites. So I guess they'll be paying double the amount of the students who will be attending only the mixed prom. And the Whites only prom looked like a pretty posh affair, complete with stretch limos and a fairly fancy looking location.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Willie-O
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:11 AM

"they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating"...

Ummm, the problems arise, not from interracial dating, but from other peoples' bigoted attitudes towards interracial dating. I'm surprised AP ran that as an alleged "factual" statement.

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: PeteBoom
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:22 AM

Nah.... ya want to cause a stir at a prom? Hold the prom in the same fancy hotel where there is a piping and drumming clinic being hosted. All the instructors were in their respective band uniforms (for band players) or other highland attire for soloists. The formal bit wraps up Saturday night, we head to the hotel bar where a private room is set aside, and we consume mass quantities of adult beverages (the youngsters consume mass quantities of Coke/iced tea/whatever). Formal photos are going on just outside the glass doors leading into the lobby - and they notice that there are a PILE of kilted individuals... absolute silence when a couple of my coleagues escorted a couple of lovely young ladies back to their festivities. One fellow had a striking resemblence to Tom Cruise. (Actual statement heard in the lobby afterward: "I did not know Tom Cruise was in town. Why was he dressed that way?")

Cheers -

Pete

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:29 AM

Any group of people have the right to segregate themselves from the mass. I applaud the white students for having the balls (sorry ladies) to stand up for their rights. By acts of Congress we are all thrown together in schools, restaurants, neighbors, etc. Who says that we can't pick and choose when we are willing to pay for the opportunity... Too many whites integrate themselves and congregate with the races to say "What a good citizen I am". Go ahead, I prefer my own kind. IT IS MY CHOICE AND MY RIGHT!

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Peg
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:29 AM

I don't understand why kids need to have a limo and an expensive dinner to attend the prom...we just got the kid with the drivers' license to chauffeur us; or, when we were too young, our parents.

It's completely out of control, the amount of money kids seem to think they have to spend on this event...

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:42 AM

I have to admit that I don't really understand what's going on with this prom. When they interviewed the students going in, some of them said that the Black students had been invited or that they (the White students) had invited their Black friends to come, some of them said they would be meeting their black friends afterwards for an "after-prom party", and some of them said, about the "Whites only" prom, "it's a tradition".

About the ones who said that Black students had been invited, I found myself thinking they probably weren't telling the truth or that there was a catch of some kind that would prevent the Black students from attending even if they had been invited. But none of it makes much sense to me anyway. The South is a complicated place, and I'm not from here. Maybe I'll never really understand.

JtS says he saw a lot more overtly racist behavior in Cincinnati when he lived there, than what he sees here in Georgia. I've been thinking I see much more subtle signs of racism, but I found out recently that some of what I've been seeing is the way people in the South behave toward each other generally, regardless of race.

I spent over a decade living in a county in Maryland that was so racist, there just weren't any Blacks living there at all, and very few people belonging to other minorities. If they moved into the county, the local people just made them so miserable, they moved right back out again. So all of the proms in that county were "Whites only".

I think that racism is probably as alive and well here in Georgia as most other parts of the US. Whether or not racism is a bigger problem here than other parts of the country, I honestly can't say.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 11:48 AM

It is all so sad. The world is so much more interesting when we see its many colors and traditions.

Right on, Willie my friend. Interracial dating is not a problem, only racists are a problem.

EJ, you are correct. You do have the right to do what you want. But can't you see what a shame it is to isolate oneself from others just because they are different looking? I would not allow my child to attend this under any circumstance. Why? Because it perpetuates a myth, and an evil. We should look for what we have in common with one another, and celebrate that which is different. And as far as who my daughters date, or dated. I never cared about the color of their skin, their religion, or what part of the area they lived in. What I wanted to know was how they treated my daughter, what their values and plans were, what kind of a human being they were. It always worked out.

To discuss this as if there were any legitimacy to an exclusionary event based on "color" is to waste ones time. Never speak truth to a lie.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: sed
Date: 05 May 03 - 11:54 AM

Something similar to this happened in Randolph County, Alabama several years ago. My homestead is located in the northern part of that county, about 15 miles from the county seat of Wedowee. The high school burned mysteriously but was rebuilt, brand new. The principal who threatened to ban the interracial prom was soon promoted by popular election to superintendent of schools. After less than one term he retired.

I believe the best thing we can do in a situation like this is to be the best neighbor we can be. Temporary fixes temporarily empower people no better prepared for power than the ones who previously abused them. Progress is very slow if it even exists. Having grown up in the suburbs of Birmingham, Alabama I can't see that there has been any progress at all. Is US society any better now than it was in 1965? Only Jesus gives me peace and hope. I can only trust Him. Everything else reminds me of the last days of the tower of Babel.

God grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, to courage to change what I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 May 03 - 11:55 AM

Discrimination is always a part of these proms, except, perhaps, in small towns. After a short appearance at the official prom, the graduates separate into groups at private functions.

In Canada, Catholic and "public" high schools are separate (each given its own tax base) so the first separation is on the basis of religion. Another separation (for those so-inclined) is also on the basis of religion, some attending one or more Jewish schools. There was agitation for a Muslim school, but I don't know if it was ever set-up.
Another level is made up of those attending private or charter schools- some of these are "Christian" schools supported by various faiths, other are aimed at higher academic standards (some quite expensive).
My city has over 20% visible minorities. The children of some of these groups will not be allowed to attend school proms by their parents, for religious and cultural reasons.

All of these graduates will have to learn to associate and work with each other but only after graduation.

The U. S. systems have many faults, but I wonder if Canada's "Multiculturalism" is going in the wrong direction.
As I stated before, segregation is alive and well.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 01:29 PM

Big Mick...I isolate myself (whenever possible) to avoid black and latino language, work ethics, morality, welfare adhesion, etc... My children attended elite private schools for the same reasons and so they did not have to be held behind by lowered standards that have taken over the cess pools you call public schools. Call me what you will or even strike this post. But I still have SOME rights and until even these are taken away from me by acts of Congress I WILL live MY life as I see fit. And, thankfully, I CAN afford to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 01:33 PM

I guess you're probably doing the public schools a favor by keeping your kids out of them then, EJ. I feel sorry for your kids, though.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 01:43 PM

EJ, I am afraid that, in my opinion, you suffer from not being able to see clearly. I do not mean this as a perjorative, rather an observation. It comes from being misdirected by a racist line of thinking perpetuated on us by those with an agenda. The problem isn't one of color, but rather of economics. 150 years ago, in the USA, it was my people that were looked upon in this manner. At various times, it was the Germans, Poles, Chinese, Mexicans, etc. Equating the problem in public schools with color, instead of funding and education levels, allows those whose agenda it is to destroy those same schools, to flourish. In my family we were taught to fight injustice. Why should the color of ones skin, or the amount of income in ones family, determine the quality of ones education in a public school? You are mixing up the problems and then dealing with them in a way that makes you comfortable. It isn't color, but color is being used to justify action. That is racism. Just the very fact that these kids are using phrases like "It's tradition" to justify a racist act shows how shielding them from one another is wrong. I am sure they are lovely kids, raised by decent folks,...............who can't see the damage done to them and that they are passing on.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:07 PM

Big Mick...In my family we were taught to rise above the masses (which we did). We never mistreated anyone along the way, we sidestepped and avoided them. Interaction is inevitable but we don't have to go out of our way to do so.

CarolC...All my children are very prominent professionals who have earned their credentials by hard work and determination and by adhering to the family code. WE DO NOT have to associate with the masses the way most of you seem to want to do. As my old Daddy (the Colonel) always told us as we were coming up, "Watch who you associate with. If you play with shit, you are bound to get it on you." Enough said.

To the rest of you...Opinions are like assholes. Everyone is entitled to one.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:20 PM

Like I said, EJ, you probably did a lot of people a favor by keeping your kids out of the public schools. But I still feel sorry for your kids. I say this as someone who has Black and Hispanic family members, whom you have just described as "shit".

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:38 PM

No, Carol, IMO, he did not. He simply says that he is careful with whom he interacts. But what I believe he cannot see is that by virtue of his "avoidance" he is practicing and teaching benign racism.

EJ, my belief is that one stands for something by virtue of action or inaction. It seems to me that when you speak in the terms that you are, that you taught your children (and were taught)an "us/them" kind of mentality. I am not calling you a Nazi, but I must use the example of Nazi Germany and the holocaust to demonstrate one of the dangers of that type of thinking. Folks allowed themselves to fall into this type of thinking. In time it desensitived them to the fact that their Jewish neighbors were people like them. Once the benign dehumanization started, it was an easy leap to turn away when the trains rolled by. I don't mean to oversimplify, but this is the problem one gets into when they allow their children to be taught that somehow "they" are different. That is why, when it comes to these issues, I believe that "rising above the masses" would be best expressed by standing for principles like understanding a diverse culture and world.

Nuff said.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:49 PM

Big Mick...The Nazis were totally wrong in their assessment of the Jews who have proven to be industrious, hardworking, taxpaying citizens of the world. The Jews were exterminated because THEY were superior to the Germans in all aspects of intellectual and cultural life. The people that I avoid are just the opposite of Jewry, Just the opposite. They cannot benefit me one iota and the contributions they make are minimal with very little social benefit. Face it, you cannot make a case.

CarolC..I feel sorrow for you. It must be hard.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:53 PM

Now you have proven yourself to be arrogant. First, I want you to name the group of people that you are referring to, EJ. Name the group, define that what makes them "inferior" and I will prove you wrong.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 02:53 PM

No, I quite like it. No hardship at all.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 03 - 03:39 PM

And I send my kids to public school because:

They get a better education than they would in a narrow minded, elitist private school, and

SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO ASSOCIATE WITH EJ'S ARROGANT LITTLE BASTARDS!!!

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,nother guest
Date: 05 May 03 - 03:50 PM

I send my kids to a parochial private school full of the races EJ dislikes, not because I want them to associate with those races, but because I do not want them to associate with the rich kids at the other private schools.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 04:13 PM

My children (and me) ARE arrogant...we ARE leaders of people like You and You and You. You are the ones with rings in your noses and all we have to do is tug on your chain. It is how and why we are born. We sit on the hill that you try in vain to climb. With the attitudes that I have read in your responses to my post...you will never make it. You are stuck at the bottom crawling around with the mixed masses. I really feel for you. Ah, I really do love the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 04:22 PM

Yeah....Yeah....I know.....but humor me, sir troll EJ. Define "The people that I avoid" (taken from your post above), tell me why you see them as inferior, and I will prove you wrong. C'mon EJ, this should be easy, me jes' bein' an ignorant fella, and you and yours bein' so brill and all.

The facts are, sir, that I will match my accomplishments against yours any time you would like. My children are wonderful and successful in the prosecution of their lives. And I don't buy into this stuff you are trying to convince folks.

You are starting to descend into the "oh yeah?" school of debate and discussion. Come on back to the debate. Unless you are incapable?

Otherwise, to quote the venerable 'Spaw, "Grab yerself a Coke, go sit in the corner, smile, ......... and shut the f**k up".

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 04:59 PM

Sorry Mick...you are not up to the challenge. OK, OK, I give up. EJ signing off.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,Rizzo
Date: 05 May 03 - 05:26 PM

EJ

I salute you. You won.

I also strive to be better than the masses. I've done it, too.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 05:29 PM

My children (and me) ARE arrogant...we ARE leaders of people like You and You and You. You are the ones with rings in your noses and all we have to do is tug on your chain. It is how and why we are born. We sit on the hill that you try in vain to climb. With the attitudes that I have read in your responses to my post...you will never make it. You are stuck at the bottom crawling around with the mixed masses. I really feel for you. Ah, I really do love the USA.

That's a hell of an assumption. I've spent time amongst people like you. I couldn't have been more miserable in that environment. I'll just stay happily here at the bottom with the other human beings, while those of you "at the top" continue to delude yourselves about who's wearing the nose rings.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:03 PM

Just suppose ...a stretch I admit ...but suppose anyway, that it was the Black students who insisted on an all Black Prom, and no White students allowed. Would everyone be as equally exercised about that?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:06 PM

There ya go, laddie. Nice job! When you know you can't win, not because I am brilliant but because your arguments are intellectually weak, just use the old self deprecating, "martyr", superiority driven, tactic. Just turn smug...........and quit. You are right, you did lose.

BTW, anytime you want to test your theory as to whether I am up to it, just come on back.

Back to the music threads.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: NicoleC
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:10 PM

I would, Doug. Either way, it's sad that the students feel it necessary -- whatever the reasons -- to divide the prom along racial lines.

Truthfully, though, if I were I high school student today, I probably would go to the low-budget Latino prom. Who can afford all that nonsense?

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:11 PM

Doug,.....of course I would....Have you ever thought of real debate instead of just throwing out these trite, and cliche driven, little catch phrases/questions? I know you are a conservative, and I am all right with that. But your arguments and statements usually lack depth.

Now, while you are pondering your questions, I have one for you. Has the predicate you have laid out ever, to your knowledge, happened? Another one for you. To your knowledge, has that ever been the case for black students, not being allowed at a white prom, that is? You have your answer as to why it is a different kettle of fish entirely. But you will find a way to alibi.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:54 PM

Now, I have often been accused of elitism, and with fairly good reason. I am amazed at EJ's behavior, however, because he seems to have missed the fundamental basis for a valid feeling of elitism: that the elites achieve their position solely on merit. While I can't say whether or not his claims of achieving wealth and influence on his own are true, it seems fairly obvious that his kids wouldn't have gotten as far as they have without Daddy's money; if they would have, there would have been no need to spend it. EJ's beliefs are pretty questionable, given that the very basis for them, the superiority of his social class, is entirely based on circumstance.