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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Acme 16 Nov 04 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,Amos 16 Nov 04 - 11:48 AM
MMario 16 Nov 04 - 11:55 AM
Rapparee 16 Nov 04 - 11:58 AM
GUEST,Isaac Gnosis 16 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM
Acme 16 Nov 04 - 01:53 PM
Rapparee 16 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM
GUEST,Amos 16 Nov 04 - 02:18 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 16 Nov 04 - 02:59 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 16 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM
Rapparee 16 Nov 04 - 03:33 PM
Amos 16 Nov 04 - 06:15 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 16 Nov 04 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Norma Fertilesticks 17 Nov 04 - 01:23 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 17 Nov 04 - 04:30 AM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 09:05 AM
GUEST,Secretariat in charge of Poetical Licensing, 17 Nov 04 - 10:29 AM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 02:17 PM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM
GUEST,Morton Terwilliger, Poetical Licensing Depar 17 Nov 04 - 05:48 PM
Amos 17 Nov 04 - 05:51 PM
Amos 17 Nov 04 - 07:06 PM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM
Amos 17 Nov 04 - 08:38 PM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 09:38 PM
Acme 17 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 17 Nov 04 - 10:57 PM
Rapparee 17 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 17 Nov 04 - 11:59 PM
Amos 18 Nov 04 - 12:31 AM
Amos 18 Nov 04 - 12:45 AM
Rustic Rebel 18 Nov 04 - 01:24 AM
Rapparee 18 Nov 04 - 09:13 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 18 Nov 04 - 09:50 AM
Tweed 18 Nov 04 - 11:12 AM
Amos 18 Nov 04 - 08:08 PM
Rapparee 18 Nov 04 - 09:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:44 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:48 AM

Aww, Maggie, that's analytical, not BS!!!

One of the truisms emerging from my recent researches into "Pan-dimensional Facets of Horse Manure in Human Ideation (PFHMHI) is the following:

"Any analysis that is sufficiently advanced or subtle will gradually become indistinguishable from BS -- even when from a reputable source!"

That little gem took YEARS of research.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:55 AM

and the corallary - BS that is sufficiently subtle or advanced is indistinguishable from analysis.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:58 AM

Mario, you can amend that to include "in analysis" as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Isaac Gnosis
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM

Consider that only a fraction of the total "capability for attention" in the individual being is focused wihtin the frame of the material continuum, and the probability is great that it is a minor fraction, less than 1/10.

The balance of the individual attention is divided between unresolved past images from within the material continuum, and other stuff. It is from this other stuff that we find our LEAST recognized yet MOST important set of determinant variables in trying to understand why people are the way they are. If these variables could be tracked, the whole spectrum of human dreams, choices, behaviours and desires would be as understandable as an ordinary internal combustion engine.

The ability to analyze the Other Stuff dimensions, and their effect on the more ordinary aspects of human life, is contingent on someone coming up with a way to codify a vocabulary of perception in those regions; this in turn requires some method of reducing such perception to a duplicatable technology. Ideally such a reduction would involve instrumentation that would provide some sort of mathematical comparison between instances.

This capability is well beyond the current scope of known or imagined technology but that has never bothered us before now.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:53 PM

These silly effects don't look nearly so interesting (or colorful) in Firefox.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM

Dear Izzy,

There is too such a vocabulary!

Sincerely yours,
R


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:18 PM

Dear Rapaire:

An interesting assertion -- but why do you offer no substantiation of it?

Amos who is Izzy


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:59 PM

I am in a state of total shock and dismay! Not only did Rapaire and I both post messages attributing JennyO's problem to monkeying around with entropy (though Rap's was posted 18 minutes before mine, it was not already on the board when I began typing - it takes me a lot longer than 18 minutes to come up with that much BS) but I had no idea that the same stuff was treated differently by different browsers. I usually use AOL's browser, but I do have Opera 'cause some wesbsites aren't very AOL friendly and can cause its browser to crash. So I opened this thread in Opera and, lo and behold, there's stuff blinkin' at me that wasn't blinkin' with AOL. I had noticed that the BLINK tag wouldn't work some time ago, but I had assumed it had something to do with the 'Cat, not the browser. Now I am going to have to revisit everyplace I've been on the Mudact for the last 2.5 years and look for blinky messages that I missed.

I feel dreadfully humbled, enlightened and some other stuff as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM

YAS!!! The word "BLINK" in my previous post blinks using Opera, but not using AOL. I'm still astounded. But then, simple things astound simple minds pretty darned easily. Don't ask me whether or not it blinks using Internet Explorer 'cause my IE start page has been hijacked rather severely and I just can't bring myself to care enough to fix the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 03:33 PM

Bee-dubya, got to www.mozilla.org and download Firefox. It's an excellent browser. You can still use AOL to get your email.

Amos, you have to first Understand. You dwell in the Third Density, but the Densities are Infinite. In the Sixth Density is music, in the Seventh odors. Combining the Sixth and Seventh Densities does not, of course, give us the Thirteen Density, but opens and entirely new Density. When you can grasp Multidense Geometries you begin to communicate. It says so right on the label.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 06:15 PM

Rapaire:

I am amuzed and surpized to discover you have been chasnneling the great Germaine of Mettafizzick Fayme.

I know a little bit about Densities. But I do not know everything about them. That is okay, though. Neither does Germaine! :D

BWL:

The AOL browser is a juryrig. What it probably falls short on is knowing how to handle various Java commands when it comes to them. Traditionally, AOL had had to be a kluge when dealing with internet because it was born and bred as a standalone database, not part of an internet. It only shifted over late in its life. So it still has kluge genes in its blood.

You might well wanna try Firefox, reputed to be excellent, as well as free.

Amos


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 06:49 PM

Oh boy! Now I have learned a new word: "kluge (or "kludge" - either spelling is acceptable). And it has nothing to do with William Shatner! Oh frabjous day!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Norma Fertilesticks
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:23 AM

Hiiiyeeahhall,
I am sooo happy that I'm back here to see, ha-ha, read you guys that I just can't tell you in words!! Your talking in my kinda speaking. Ha-ha!!
Last time I was here I was going for my swimming meet and I want you guys to know that I won a ribbon on the free dive and a blue ribbon on the extention double curl. I was pretty cool out there.
Oh frabjous day! That's what i have to agree with.
Thank you all for being so funny and I think iI need to thanks somebody for sticking up for my virtue last time I was here. Thank you who ever you were.
Your friend and always, Norma


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:30 AM

Welcome back, Norma.

Words cannot express my pleasure at having learned the word "kluge"! I feel compelled to use it in a pome:

My Web browser it am a kluge
My Gran'ma she wore too much rouge
I never have rid on a luge
The bedsheets is covered with splooge

Okay, so it's a shitty pome. Why don't you try to make something rhyme with "kluge", smartass?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:05 AM

Kludge: nudge, budge, fudge, Ft. Mudge, trudge, grudge, etc.

Amos taught Bruce LaWall "kludge"
And suggested that BW trudge
To the Firefox browser --
It's really a wowser --
...



And from that never to budge.

And throw AOL in the dump at Ft. Mudge.

And store AOL in his garudge.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Secretariat in charge of Poetical Licensing,
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:29 AM

Department of Poetical Licensing
Offices in
Starnbergersee, Hofgarten, and Sweet Thames

Dear Mr. Rapaire,

It has come to our attention that your Poetic License is severely out of date. In order to pull off the whopper you committed in the Mudcat thread commonly known as MOAB (Mother of all BS threads), please hasten to the nearest English teacher and have your credentials renewed.

This will require your participation in a high school level University Interscholastic League (UIL) "Ready Writing" competition, in which you need to produce metaphoric cal imagery, several aphorisms, at least one whiz-bang allegory, and numerous analog statements.

Report back when this is completed, and you may then, and ONLY then, continue with the bad poetry at said MOAB and other locations.

Sincere Regards,

[signed] M. Terwilliger

Morton Terwilliger, Senior Accountant
Department of Poetical Licensing Department,
(and acting Chair, Department of Redundancy Department, until that position is filled. If interested in assuming that position, apply at the address above).


And I have known the eyes already, known them all —
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:17 PM

Come an' git me, ya slimeball undersecretary! Ya'll only get my poetical license when ya tear it from ma cold dead hands! I'm holed up here in the mountains. I got me plenty of food, water, ammo, rhyming dictionaries, and anthologies of poetry. If ya approach, keep yer hands in plain sight or I'll fill ya so fulla holes ya'll be used as a colander.


Sincerely yours,
Rapaire (BA, English Literature; 94th Percentile, GRE Advanced Exam, Literature in English)


Let us go then, me and you,
When the sludge is spread out like a pond of glue,
Like a patient lobotomized upon a table.
Let us go, though with a certain half-baked kludge,
The C-flat retreat
Of songless knights in el cheapo squalid bars
And turgid restaurants with shotgun-shells
Lines that follow like a tedious trudge
Of Camusian intent
To lead you to an overwhelming decision...
Oh, do not ask, `` Is it fudge? ''
Let us go become a drudge.

In the room the MOABites stagger and weave
Looking for a bucket in which to heave.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM

Hey, you. Morton Terwilliger, the Senile Account in the Department of Rear End Dunces or where ever it is you do what you call work.

Yer poem's reminiscent of yer knowledge of poetry and writing: A Wasteland. A vast wasteland, too. And since you only sit around all day writing cease-and-desist letters to those who can and do, you probably also have a vast waistland.

Anyway, ya silly piece of bureaucratic crapola, I'm gonna do what I want and you ain't gonna stop me. I'll write a whole Alexandrine, a sonnet sequence, a verse drama -- hell, I'll write a whole goddamned epic -- if I want to. Us Americans fought two wars aginst England and saved their butts in two more. We even forgave the Limeys fer outfitting boats like Alabama back during the Recent Unpleasantness Between The States an' therewith sticking their noses into where they didn't belong. You lissen ta me, sucker: it ain't the Queen's English on this side of the pond!

Every one of your so-called "English" writers was really either American or Irish -- betcha didn't know that little bit of fact, didcha? Jeffy Chaucer, Billy Ray Shakespeare, "Big Al" Pope, T.S. Eliot, Johnny Bob Dryden, Ginny Wolfe, Janey "Boom-Boom" Austen, the Bronte Sister Act, Chuck "Little" Dickens, Toby Smollett, "Blind Lightin'" Milton, "Daring Dan" Defoe -- all of 'em were American. And the ones like Johnny Swift and Ozzy Wilde were all Irish.

Hurts, don't it?

So jist back off, bucko, or you'd best be puttin' on yer kneepads, 'cause you'll be going down.

Sincerely yours,
Rapaire


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Morton Terwilliger, Poetical Licensing Depar
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:48 PM

HeHeHe

How long did it take you to work that one out? Bet you had to Google it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:51 PM

I regret to inform you that no mater how it is spelled, the word Kluge is pronounced as BWL first perceived to rhyme with rouge, and not much else.

The lassies of Le Quartier wear much rouge,
And specialize in moving quickly
That which "malheueusement, will not bouge"
When baffled owners over-imbibe and murmur thickly.
But still, the joy is but a kluge
All weary, brief, diffuse, and somewhat sickly.


That's as good as it is gonna get, it being a kluge anyway!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 07:06 PM

When things are just too messéd up and kludgie
Take a breath and light a bougie
Find a vinyl platter of good bougie-wougie
And soon you'll be back out and hacking lougies
Feeling mushie, warm and mooshie
Like some sucker in an ole-time moovie!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM

I learned to spell and pronounce it with a "D" like God intended. I know this, for in the Lost Book Of Moses it is clearly stated that while upon the mountaintop, God kinda messed up writing on stone and put in a "well, it works" patch. God his own self said to Moses, "Well, it's a kludge, but it'll work for now." And Moses responded, "So, then, the adjectival form would be 'kludgy', nu?" and God replied, "You got it." (Lost Book of Moses 23:12-37)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:38 PM

God told Abraham, go with the kludge!
Abe said, Man, you been sniffin' the rouge!
God said "No!" Abe said "Huh?"
God said you can do what you want, but....
Don't let me catch you hiding, down in Baton Rouge
Abe said what do you think the kluge should say?
And God said let's just call it Mudcat Café


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:38 PM

Kludge: n. The Windows operating system.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM

I guess I'd better skip back up to the top to figure out what this "kludge" thing is and why none of your little rhymes scan today.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM

Kludge: Something put together without any elegance, planning or forethought. Comes from the German during the Industrial Revolution.
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kludge: PRONUNCIATION:         klj VARIANT FORMS:        kluge

NOUN:        Slang 1. A system, especially a computer system, that is constituted of poorly matched elements or of elements originally intended for other applications. 2. A clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem.

ETYMOLOGY:        From ironic use of earlier kluge, smart, clever, from spelling pronunciation of German kluge, from Middle High German kluc, from Middle Low German klk.

OTHER FORMS:        kludge —VERB kludgy —ADJECTIVE


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:57 PM

What? Ya mean "kluge" rhymes with "fudge"? An' I wrote a whole pome rhymin' it with "rouge"! How th' hell wuz I s'posed t' know? I never even heard of th' word 'til yesterday and I shore as hell ain't never heard nobody pronounce it. Yeah, I know yer gonna say, "But Bee-dubya, ya said yerself that 'kludge' is an acceptable spellin' fer th' same word. That shoulda been a big hint. An' ya musta gone to a dictionary t' get that little tidbit of info, so ya coulda looked at th' pronunciation while ya wuz there."

Well...


EXCUSE ME!!!!



Now that I have once again proven myself to be a total idjit, I shall wear sack-cloth and ashes and change my name to "Tweed". I shall abandon the lofty heights of MOAB forthwith and spend the remainder of my Web-surfing days at tweedsblues.net (aka Tweedsburg) where idjits are held in high regard, "idiot" being several steps up the intellectual ladder from the highest level most of its denizens have achieved.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM

Nah, Bee-dubya. It's Amos's fault. Besides, you can't git away by running over there.

Sure does make it easier to rhyme though, don't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 11:59 PM

But there's such a shortage of words that rhyme with "sploodge". Just think of all the words that rhyme with "spunk" or "jizm"!

So you're probably thinking, "There are no words that rhyme with jizm!" Well, you're wrong! There may not be any two-syllable words that rhyme with jizm, but there are over a thousand words that end with "ism" that can be used to make a perfectly legitimate rhyme.

To wit:

A bank is a symbol of capitalism.
But a sperm bank is merely a vault full of jizm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 12:31 AM

This is all BS. The word rhymes with ROUGE but is spelled K-L-U-D-G-E. It was in wide circulation amongst engine-room snipes long before compooders ever made their bright red scar on the psyche of the species.

And BWL donchew let no Nawtheners intimidate you. You had it right all along!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 12:45 AM

Whut's his is mine, and whut's mine is his'n
So Ah lay claim to ALL his jism


How's that? Even close??

:>)


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 01:24 AM

So what exactly are you all saying? I seem to be lost in this conversation,
Not knowing what is, is. Not feeling a part of the natural scheme of the conversation.
I am indeed lost in chasm of word relation, not relating to anything I really need to know
but it's as if it was forced upon me at birth and with my Mother.
Now I think it's coming to me after all.
I can, blame this entire confused state of mind on my mother.
So forget that I was confused and please go on to make your rhymes up for kludge.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:13 AM

Ahoy, mateys! I've sighted a Reason! And thar she blows and breaches, two points off the larboard!

According to the word experts, "kludge" (also "kluge") comes from German. As we all know, the German language is divided into two parts (unlike Gaul, which was divided into three parts). There's Hochedeutsch and Plattedeutsch, and the etomolygists don't say from which "kludge" (or "kluge") derives. (Notice that I did not end that sentence with a preposition and thereby demonstrate not only my excellent command of grammar and usage, but also [and please note again the correct use of "not only...but also"] my ability, often doubted, to correctly construct compound-complex sentences such as this one.)

My guess, based purely upon my admittedly less-than-extensive knowledge of German, is that it derives from Plattedeutsch. I base this upon a) the statement that it was intended to be an ironic use of the word; 2) that it sounds Plattedeutschy and, 3.7) my ancestors, good working folk that they were, poor peasants barely scraping along under the iron heel of the Hochedeutsch-speaking oppressors, spoke Plattedeutsch.

Ergo (that's Latin, and demonstrates my multilingual abilities), the "d" sound is not only pronounced, but the word is pronounced to rhyme with "fudge" or "drudge", as in the exemplary sentence, "The drudge delivered the fudge but had to kludge the trudge."

There, I've cleared that up and done my daily good deed at the same time!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:50 AM

Perhaps (And this is mere speculation for which I have no evidence, but it certainly helps to further muddy the waters. Since when do we need evidence on the MOAB?) the original German word had an umlauted "ü" in it. Since most English speakers have a difficult time with the "ü" sound (Purse your lips like you're going to say "u", but hold your tongue like you're going to say "ee".) most German words with a "ü" get mispronounced. Whether they are mispronounced using a "long u" or a "short u" is a crapshoot and depends largely on the ability of mispronouncer A to enforce his mispronunciation upon mispronouncer B by brute force.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Tweed
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:12 AM

Beedzerz, I belive you should just change yore name to BeeDumass rather than Tweed, although Tweed habv become synomalous with dumbass obv late. Or you could aslo be called Beedzer-who-is-aslo Tweed-Khandu with likewise results. You must choose carefully as this could lay on you like a boar badger in heat for the rest of yore days... and most obv us here know whut that's like!!

Yore good friend,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 08:08 PM

Rapire!

GOOD Rapiare!! KIND Rapaire!! WISE Rapaire!! Not to press the point, INTELLIGENT Rapaire!!! Let me in the saying of it not undo its merit, nay, let me merely assert, SMART Rapaire!! WORLDLY Rapaire!! TRUE, LOYAL, SOPHISTICATED and GENTEEL Rapaire!! I assure you, having used the word amongst seafaring folk since I was merely a candle in every lass's fancy, that the word is pronounced:

KLU-oooooooooo---d-g-ee!! KLOOODJ!!

and does not rhyme with fudge, but with bouge, rouge and smoodzhe.

Of course this may be one of those trick words designed to breed spite among men, by having two equally acceptable pronunciations. But I ain't never heard of no fudge-toned kludge.

Reference:

"A program or feature that works but the author is embarrassed about. Rhymes with "huge," not with "fudge." Sometimes misspelled as kluge.
www-ec.njit.edu/ec_info/home/faq/basic/glossary.html"

and fromt he American Heritage dictionary:

"kludge

 


PRONUNCIATION:
  klooj


NOUN:
Slang 1. A system, especially a computer system, that is constituted of poorly matched elements or of elements originally intended for other applications. 2. A clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem.

ETYMOLOGY:
From ironic use of earlier kluge, smart, clever, from spelling pronunciation of German kluge, from Middle High German kluc, from Middle Low German klk."

Therefore, let it be Huge Kludge, Huge Rouge Kludge, and Never FUDGE.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:49 PM

I have decided. And when I have decided, I stay decided. Rather than engage in mental fisticuffs with Amos, the Sage of San Diego, known from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli as lettered, as wise, as sagacious, as insightful, as savvy, as caring, as a true Renaissance gentleman of the Twenty-First Century, indeed, as I say, a true Son of Knowledge, one whose Knowledge About Knowlege is second only to my own, I will, henceforth and forevermore, eschew the word "kludge." I will banish it from my vocabulary, and never again will it pass bidden or unbidden from my lips or fingers.

I have spoken.

Goddamn thing still rhymes with
“fudge” and always will . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:11 PM

I must away
at break of day
unto the wilds of Tampa Bay
to sell my pots
to idiots
whose stuff Charlie did blow away.

From thence I will
to Jacksonville
for Thangsgiving, my gut to fill
to sit and joke
with lots of folk
with whom I have in common, nil

Then to the clean
and quite serene
old city of St. Augustine
to hawk my ware
to people there
I only hope their money's green

Then on the road
to my abode
where all my crap I must unload
back to the sand
of Bubbaland
where cotton blooms and hay is mowed

Don't think me dead
or out of my head
when you don't see me on this thread
eleven days
I'll be away
if you don't like it, fuck you, Jed!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:22 PM

Ah, Bee-Dubya, may your trip be very, very, very, very profitable. And may your turkey be dead when you eat it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:48 PM

I'll betcha you can't do this.

Lift your right foot off the ground and make clockwise circles with it (it's easier if you're sitting down).
While your right foot is circling clockwise, write the number 6 in the air with your right index finger.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:59 PM

Amos, sounds like anyone who masters kludge is a bricoleur, non? And to prove that they are related terms, I did an advanced Google search in which these two terms MUST appear in the text. I found a nice example.

Here is chapter 6, the summary of the doctoral thesis of one David Cavallo at MIT. Kludge appears on page 3, bricoleur on pages 4 and 8. He seems not to have named this fine document, but it has to do with education in Thailand and other places.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:25 PM

The two are surely full cousins, at the very least. For is not one man's kludge another man's bricolage?? I give you Levi-Strauss, himself, on the bricoleur and his kludgy appetites:

"The analogy is worth pursuing since it helps us to see the real relations between the two types of scientific knowledge we have distinguished. The 'bricoleur' is adept at performing a large number of diverse tasks; but, unlike the engineer, he does not subordinate each of them to the availability of raw materials and tools conceived and procured for the purpose of the project. His universe of instruments is closed and the rules of his game are always to make do with 'whatever is at hand', that is to say with a set of tools and materials which is always finite and is also heterogeneous because what it contains bears no relation to the current project, or indeed to any particular project, but is the contingent result of all the occasions there have been to renew or enrich the stock or to maintain it with the remains of previous constructions or destructions. The set of the 'bricoleur's' means cannot therefore be defined in terms of a project (which would presuppose besides, that, as in the case of the engineer, there were, at least in theory, as many sets of tools and materials or 'instrumental sets', as there are different kinds of projects). It is to be defined only by its potential use or, putting this another way and in the language of the 'bricoleur' himself, because the elements are collected or retained on the principle that 'they may always come in handy'. Such elements are specialized up to a point, sufficiently for the 'bricoleur' not to need the equipment and knowledge of all trades and professions, but not enough for each of them to have only one definite and determinate use. They each represent a set of actual and possible relations; they are 'operators' but they can be used for any operations of the same type.

The elements of mythical thought similarly lie half-way between percepts and concepts. It would be impossible to separate percepts from the concrete situations in which they appeared, while recourse to concepts would require that thought could, at least provisionally, put its projects (to use Husserl's expression) 'in brackets'. Now, there is an intermediary between images and concepts, namely signs. For signs can always be defined in the way introduced by Saussure in the case of the particular category of linguistic signs, that is, as a link between images and concepts. In the union thus brought about, images and concepts play the part of the signifying and signified respectively."




Guess that kinda says it all, don't it?

Now you---BWL--have yourself a FANTASTIC Xmas sale and make tons o' dough. My wishes ride with you.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:40 PM

I'm no longer using the "K" word....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 12:12 AM

Your loss, and my sorrow. That your intransigence and reluctance to acquire new knowledge should lead you to cutting off a whole WORD from your vocabulary is indeed tragic, like a man cutting off his whole foreskin because he could only find one of them.
Painful, melodramatic and unproductive. Tsk, tsk...


Wake up, Rapaire!! Join the living!! Arise to a NEW day!! Wake up and smell the KLOOODJ!!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:20 AM

I'm no longer using the "K" word except to describe Amos....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM

A man of great erudition, fallen into the Siren arms of mere ad hominem remarks, a posture laughable if intentional and tragic if taken seriously. Alas, Rapaire, I knew him well...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:26 AM

...'s ancestors.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:45 AM

golly jeeps - you mean there are people who *don't* know that something kludged is basically a rube goldberg?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM

Is that like a cludgie MMario?
{Glasgow dialect word for a WC)
Giok


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