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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:51 PM

How about anything to make me happy for a change, Amos? Eh? Eh???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 02:22 PM

Does the table have any drawers?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 02:53 PM

If it doesn't, it should. Naked tables are considered improper in Twillingsgate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:10 PM

Tell the table I said, "Break a leg".....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:38 PM

Little Hawk:

While I hold you in high esteem, which I am sure you know, I think you know perfectly well that you are the source of your own happiness. Rapparee, contrariwise, believes he is the source of everyone else, but that they are the source of his happiness. It is complicated, isn't it????


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:42 PM

And a tad constipated.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 04:41 PM

Wow, look at this idea! (It seemed to go along with the "furniture" discussion).

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:02 PM

A Clean Shelves Campaign is a good idea for any library, once every ten years or so. But this is not the best way to get it to happen...

That's MY humble opinion!! :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:23 PM

Great story, Eiseley!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:57 PM

That is indeed a conundrum, Amos. What do you think we should do to help our omnipotent friend Rapparee out?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:58 PM

I think that all of the books that are currently checked out, overdue, stolen, or otherwise off the library shelves should be returned all at the same time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 06:33 PM

That's asking a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:16 PM

Well, considering that librarians figger that the place is jammed full if the shelves are 1/3 to 1/4 empty (the stuff is checked out), just imagine the chaos! The overtime!

Oh, the horror! The horror!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:21 PM

It's easy for you to laugh, Rapparee, now that you have left Eiseley holding the bag...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:30 PM

She's good at holding bags. Also sealing them up with twist-ties. HIGHLY experienced at that.

But you see, Amos, what I'm trying to determine if there is a critical mass of books which will achieve a self-sustaining bibliographical chain reaction. Tempered by "censorship rods" (to prevent an information explosion) this could, eventually, produce all knowledge it is possible for humans to know (and quite a bit of pure bibliographic garbage, which we will have to find someplace to store -- at the moment, talk radio seems the best bet).

This is expressed best in the classic

It=mh2/1e79

That is to say, the total of information (I) in the Universee is equal to the mass of the Universe multiplied by Plank's Constant raised to the second power, divided by the the low end estimate of the mass of the Universe. Of course, this is the Special Theory of Informationity. I'll post the General Theory if you'd beg me to.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:36 PM

I don't beg, but it is clear youur equations are missing the key variables Vn (the number of viewpoints sharing some information) and HV1...n--the number of hierarchical levels of differentiation and integration subscribed to by said viewpoints. This is a velly selious omission, Bookman.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:47 PM

""I had a dream where I was chased by two hobos who, after they caught me, pulled all my teeth out with pliers"".

This doesn't really add anything relevant to thhese extelligent discussions. But, I had an urge tell somebody about it. Unfortunately, it presents a possibility that few take seriously.
Protect yourself at all times.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:53 PM

I confess I posted the above to capture 39272.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:52 AM

Amos, those variables are deliberately ignored at this point because I am trying to accomplish the basic self-sustaining chain reaction. They and other refinements will be introduced in the beta.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:52 AM

You want bait for your chain? That's no way to go about fishing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:12 PM

Has anyone here given consideration to my Dachshund song? I mean anyone besides Rapparee, to clarify it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:23 PM

Well, that's fine, thanks for explaining, but there is an even more critical flaw in thenotion of It=mh2/1e79 and your accompanying explanation. One, I might add, which is revelatory in its nature.

The total information in the universe is not a function of mass.
Even if you take the totally wrong-headed approach of using an index of binary bits of data, which is wrong for different reasons, you will not measure the resultant if your algorithm is dependent on mass. First of all, for example, consider that the universe was limited to just one solar system, with one viabler planet, as a thought experiment. Although this would reduce the total mass by several orders of magnitude, it is immediately evident that given the same number life-units viewing the reduced array of mass, the same amount (approaching infinity) of information would be generated in a longer time. Reduce it to one particle in space and the T component also approaches infinity, but the curve of total information still approaches infinity.

But, contrariwise, reduce the number of life units to, say, ten, and leave the universe as it is otherwise, and you will find the curve of total possible information rising to a measurable peak and then falling away!

THerefore, it is clear the approach of a function depending on PLanck's k and mass is doomed to wander forever in the vale of unclarity, shedding only heat and no light.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:58 PM

Amos... "The total information is not a function of mass."

Empirically, given that the total of energy and mass in the universe is constant and that it takes energy to produce information, information in the universe is a function of energy and mass.

I am gnu and I support this treatment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 02:01 PM

Well, I thought about that, Amos, and almost used 0.5m but realized that would result in a half-massed theorem.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:00 PM

Oh, fie, Gnu. It may take energy to rearrange particles, but only a live soul can translate that arrangement into information. The notion of information existing without a viewpoint is, to say the least, disingenuous and an absurd reduction to mechanism of that which, in the ultimate analysis cannot be mechanized.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:10 PM

Translate? Who said anything about translating anything? Besides, it takes energy and mass to create a live soul and for that live soul to "translate"... such only adds to the verification of the treatment I have submitted.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:25 PM

it takes energy and mass to create a live soul and

Your datum is 180 degrees out, amigo. It's t'other way around.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:36 PM

You mean then that it takes mass and energy instead of energy and mass.

BUT!!!

Einstein's class E-mC2 demonstrates conclusively that mass and energy are two sides of the same coin -- and if you doubt it watch a fission weapon go off.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:43 PM

Poppycock. Balderdash. Bilgeroar. Blathertwaddle. Rubbish. Stuff and nonsense. Blithermore. Persistiquiflammificationary nonsequitaciousness!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:28 PM

It takes a live soul to create energy and mass Amos?

Methinks the basic equation "The mass of the ass is equal to the square of the hair multiplied by the angle of the dangle." might be more to your liking.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:54 PM

Rapp, do NOT put words in my screen; I meant that it takes a live soul to create energy and mass.

Gnu, old friend, if you draw a line in the sand, you can persuade yourself by staying carefully on one side thereof that the universe is made of silicon particles and there is no such thing as liquid.

Even a sand-shark would know better, but we of the hominid clan have a peculiar power of selective ignoral.

Little Hawk: What exactly are you using all those syllables to call BS on?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 08:02 PM

If I don't put words on your screen how will I communicate with you?

SOMBER NEWS FROM POCATELLO

I may not be around here as much as in the past starting February 1, at least for a couple of weeks. My wife, Pat, will be having at least unilateral and possibly bilateral surgery for breast cancer that day.

In the meantime, she's going off to a quilt gathering in Indiana.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 08:11 PM

Rap... my t&ps are with you both.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 08:30 PM

Amos... "Gnu, old friend, if you draw a line in the sand, you can persuade yourself by staying carefully on one side thereof that the universe is made of silicon particles and there is no such thing as liquid."

Pretty lame. I extracate myself from any further discission on the subject. Why bother? If you diss the very basics of the definition of the universe which has been the very basis of many aspects of scientific endeavour and qualitative/quantitative research/theory and discussion by "changing the subject"... why bother?

On a more pertinent note, I wrote a great (I postulate) song about an Irish folk hero of note here in New Brunswick who died helping Irish immigrants get established in the fly infested bog country of my forefathers this eve. I shall set it to Rhan soon. It's far more important than quibbling about the universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 08:51 PM

SIr,

I had no intention of changing the subject. If, indeed, you feel the basic definition of the universe includes only the space-time continuum, and particles appertaining thereto, then we have a perfect line in the sand which excludes the universe of individual creation, the universe of the non-material, the universe of thought itself, any possibility of elan vital except as a byproduct of matter, and a myriad of other interesting phenomena.

Honi soit qui mal y pense, I guess... no skin off my nose if we want to constrain the universe of discourse to things which discourse not. Seems a bit lame in itself, though. just to echo a crudity. But ya know what? I like you so well, just as you are, that I say Fuggit and withdraw my remarks.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:41 PM

Quibble, quibble... and for what... for not? Thanks for your withdrawl. I also (with) draw kind sir.

gnightgnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:21 PM

Oh Mike, I'm so sorry.

E.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:39 PM

You know she has our best wishes and thoughts, Rapp. Take good care of her.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 09:40 AM

If she doesn't beat it, it won't be my fault. She's already whipped the Big C once and she'll do it again. Meanwhile, next Tuesday, the day after the next biopsy, she leaves for the winter quilt retreat in Indiana (she's a charter member); surgery is the day after she gets back.

Gotta gitter done!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 11:38 AM

I read your poem, Little Hawk. It was sweet, had the lightness of a tightly wound very short dog. :)

Mike, tell Pat we're behind her 110% - just because she's had the Big C once doesn't mean it doesn't scare the bejeesus out of you the second time round.

Speaking of her quilting, it reminds me that I need to start encroaching on the big cabinet I built for my daughter when she was in high school. It's full of stuff she doesn't use any more - and I want to fill it full of cloth I've forgotten about because it is out of sight in a dresser right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 12:00 PM

Did you see that? Rapparree went and bagged the palindrome out from under our eyes!

Oh well, he can have it this once.

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 02:20 PM

EErapar is just an old emordnilap relaets.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 02:30 PM

Yeah, all of their heads are mounted and grace the walls of my orifice.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 04:48 PM

I don't think I want to see the walls of Rapparee's orifice. You'd have to pay me a LOT to do it, by gar.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 05:32 PM

I'm sure he has to pay others to take a look. More than the normal co-pay.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 05:52 PM

Its maine


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 05:57 PM

The Maine state motto, "Dirigo" (I lead).

The Maine State Flag

On March 21, 1901 the Maine State Legislature passed "An Act to Establish a State Flag." The flag was to include a Pine Tree centered on a buff colored field. Equidistant from the hoist and upper border of the flag a blue polar star was to be displayed.

Interestingly, on February 23, 1909, the State Legislature adopted a new standard, describing the state flag as a display of the Maine coat of arms on a blue field. This is the flag in use today, more or less.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 06:06 PM

Woodcock are secretive creatures, possessing uncanny restraint and such confidence in their camouflage that they will sit still even when a predator — or a hunter's boot — is inches away.

Their migration is equally mysterious. Birds careen south in waves called flights, following the first frosts, migrating south from Canada, Minnesota, Michigan and Maine to their wintering grounds in the American South. They navigate meandering valleys, power lines and highway corridors, ushered along by north winds and guided by a roadmap of fall colors.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 06:16 PM

HAPPY AS A CLAM   
A clam has only two goals in life: to eat and to have sex, hence the phrase "happy as a clam". Unfortunately, as the clam has no brain, it derives no real pleasure from either food or sex. The clam is a chemically driven shell full of salty flesh that exists to procreate. The clam's remarable fruitfulness serves not only to reproduce itself, bit also to feed countless organisms in the seaside food chain.

A clam two or three inches in diameter would probably be three to five years old.
It takes about 25 to 28 months for clam larvae to reach a market size clam.
Undisturbed, clams live to the thirty-three to thirty-six year old range.
Clams feed year-round, though they feed less in winter because they need less energy.

(accoring to Mac's Back Door Oyster Bar and Grill, anyway).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 06:43 PM

Clams got legs!


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