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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Amos 15 Feb 05 - 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Teresa
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 05:15 PM

Oh noooooo, math! I wish I didn't have a math phobia! I love the concepts, but when I have to work with numbers, they don't stay where I put them and get all turned around. That's why I'm not an astronomer or physicist. :>

Teresa


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:53 PM

x=0
2^x=1

x=1
2^x=2

The number 1 has all the attributes of a prime number but by convention is said not to be. Therefore the only workable answer is 1.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:45 PM

It has occured to me that I should let Flaming Ted share one of the easiest of the Secret MOAB numbers to achieve. Should he (or she, if he is female) manage to achieve this number, she (or he, if she is male) can begin the Secret MOAB Training Course.

You must achieve the number represented by the following equation:

2^x = any prime number

where x = any positive whole number.

HINT: the simplest solution is to solve for "x".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:42 PM

They both look like thinking hurts a lot. Why's that?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:35 PM

Don't neither of 'em look like they've ever been to Grace, neither. Prolly wouldn't look good in boots and a hat with a Montana or PRC crease, neither one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:28 PM

Well, I went looking for an image of my old pal Lyotard, and came up with this. Wondering why, (even though I understand that a postmodern couple is welcome to have five or even more legs between them) I scanned the page, only to realize, merde!, that I had commingled the names of my postmodernists! It's Jean-François Lyotard (and Jacques Derrida--I've cited him recently here at Mudcat so his name was fresh in my mind). Humble apologies. Does that make it any easier to understand where these Lyotards come from? Here's Jeanee. (And so he doesn't seem to be slighted, here's my pal Jacques who always looked like someone Avedon has photographed. Maybe wherever they both are, one is photographing the other.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:41 AM

Ooops, I got that backwards. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:41 AM

Hey, my pen is mightier than any sword!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:11 AM

Two writes don't right it, either!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 10:21 AM

true - and write does not make right.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 10:15 AM

Just remember, Leo, spreading it doesn't mean righting it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:52 AM

Leotards aren't made, they're harvested. Vast leotardyards grace the undulating hills around Grace, Idaho and in the Spring the hills are vibrant with the colors of the blooms. As Spring passes into Summer and Summer into the harvest time, gradually the blooms lengthen until, in late August, it's like looking at waves of rainbows flowing like water.

The fully-developed leotards are gently removed by hand, using generations-old techniques that prevent any harm to the plant by the very young virgin boys and girls who do the actual harvesting.

After the leotard harvest the town celebrates with a Te Deum and the Annual Festival Of The Tards, where folk dancing and gentle merriment are the rule. Perhaps the most joyous event is the "Parading of the Tards," where bevies of nubile youth swarm through the streets waving leotards of various colors over their heads.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:44 AM

I dunno -- I never heard of a Lucid Leotard... seems as how if God had wanted leotards to be lucid he woulda made them out of 60-pound test monofilament, don'tcha think?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:40 AM

come on Amos - verbing a noun is only illegal in 14 states. (The law has been repealed in another 7) - and consider news broadcasts - they verb nouns all the time! Wake up to the 21st century!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:30 AM

Is M. Lyotard anything like those tights that ballet-types wear?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM

Was Priveleging the storyteller's first name? If not, M. Lyotard loses points for verbing a noun.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:02 AM

I really and truly don't see why they're bothering. GUBS covers it all.


Wait, I know! They're jealous!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:58 PM

Jacques Lyotard wrote lucidly about privileging the storyteller. I'll have to thumb through my dog-earred copy of The Postmodern Condition and see if he mentioned BS in there. . . interesting avenue of inquiry. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:43 PM

Wittgenstein? He drags in Wittgenstein? Probably drags in other malcontents and roughnecks, too. Why doesn't he cite someone who knows, like La Wall or Jessup? But no, he's a hoity-toity New Yorker, probably from uptown who hangs out at MOMA and has long hair in a pony tail and a beard. Jeez, for the price of coupla beers at Stinky's Place ol' Moony Stevens would have given him more BS than you can fit into a Ford Expedition.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:40 PM

From the NEw York Times, HARK!!!! Bull has now become MAINSTREAM!!! AcaDEMic!!

Stilly, three cheers!!!

Laura Pedrick for The New York Times
Harry G. Frankfurt, emeritus professor of philosophy at Princeton, whose essay on the art of hokum, first written in 1986, has now become a small book published by Princeton University Press.






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Between Truth and Lies, An Unprintable Ubiquity
By PETER EDIDIN

Published: February 14, 2005



arry G. Frankfurt, 76, is a moral philosopher of international reputation and a professor emeritus at Princeton. He is also the author of a book recently published by the Princeton University Press that is the first in the publishing house's distinguished history to carry a title most newspapers, including this one, would find unfit to print. The work is called "On Bull - - - - ."

The opening paragraph of the 67-page essay is a model of reason and composition, repeatedly disrupted by that single obscenity:

"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much [bull]. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize [bull] and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, nor attracted much sustained inquiry."

The essay goes on to lament that lack of inquiry, despite the universality of the phenomenon. "Even the most basic and preliminary questions about [bull] remain, after all," Mr. Frankfurt writes, "not only unanswered but unasked."

The balance of the work tries, with the help of Wittgenstein, Pound, St. Augustine and the spy novelist Eric Ambler, among others, to ask some of the preliminary questions - to define the nature of a thing recognized by all but understood by none.

What is [bull], after all? Mr. Frankfurt points out it is neither fish nor fowl. Those who produce it certainly aren't honest, but neither are they liars, given that the liar and the honest man are linked in their common, if not identical, regard for the truth.

"It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth," Mr. Frankfurt writes. "A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it."

The bull artist, on the other hand, cares nothing for truth or falsehood. The only thing that matters to him is "getting away with what he says," Mr. Frankfurt writes. An advertiser or a politician or talk show host given to [bull] "does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it," he writes. "He pays no attention to it at all."

And this makes him, Mr. Frankfurt says, potentially more harmful than any liar, because any culture and he means this culture rife with [bull] is one in danger of rejecting "the possibility of knowing how things truly are." It follows that any form of political argument or intellectual analysis or commercial appeal is only as legitimate, and true, as it is persuasive. There is no other court of appeal.

The reader is left to imagine a culture in which institutions, leaders, events, ethics feel improvised and lacking in substance. "All that is solid," as Marx once wrote, "melts into air."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 08:03 PM

BeeDub,

That was no I -- that was someone scared shitless by confronting Death. See the little reflection of the skull?

A true I is a whispy sorta mammalucca indeed, conquering nations and hearts while occupying no more space than a dream about sunlight.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Bee-dubya
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 06:24 PM

Did somebody want an "I"? CLICK!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:34 PM

Gimme an "I".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Layah
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:23 PM

H


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:17 PM

Gimme an "H"...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:01 PM

Many happy returns, Mom....over and over!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,grundoon
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:01 PM

Txs? Fstxy! Grsgrdty! Txs!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Teresa
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 04:18 PM

Happy valentine's day, Mom and all your BS progeny. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 04:13 PM

As Amos says, FT doesn't get it. What he doesn't get is that hundredth posts have no special significance here on the MOAB. Sure, there are significant numbers, in fact there's one in roughly every hundred posts. But, only MOABites know the formula for determining MOAB-significant numbers. It involves calculations based on the orbital velocities of certain small third-world countries and the gross national product of a wandering herd of wilderbests wyldabeets gnus at a secret indisclosed location somewhere within one of those same third-world countries. We're certainly not gonna share that information with the likes of Teddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 04:12 PM

S


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Welkin
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 12:17 PM

Gimme an "S"...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM

Flaming O'Teddy just doesn't get it.

Even when he gets what he wants, he doesn't get it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 12:05 PM

everyone knows post 6300 gives you

COOTIES!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:55 AM

It's mine. Eat my shorts!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:54 AM

99


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:53 AM

98


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:53 AM

97


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:42 AM

so has MOAB received any Valentines? Hey! Is MOAB single? looking? playing the field? Where's FOAB Whatever happenned to him?

Inquiring minds want to know - or at least be pointed to pertinent posts if I somehow missed this vital information on the first go round.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:20 AM

There have been sixty-two hundred and ninety-five posts to the MOAB.

It is February 14th, 2005.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:58 AM

Hi, Don!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:29 AM

OK so now I've posted here.
I am still discovering the bells and whistles of mudcat.
Yesterday I went through the midi songs and talked to myself on Mudcat chat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:26 AM

sorry Mom, trhat was me...

and I was so busy showing B. the back door I forgot - we're closing in on 6300!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:14 AM

direct link to moab's back door

use with caution. Please turn the lights out if you are the last to leave.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 09:49 AM

Churchy comes closest, but Grundoon is the master.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 09:46 AM

Concur. Grundoon is a transcended Zen master avatar, an inhabited identity created and operated by one who has reached enlightenment.

Pogo and Albert are mere students in comparison.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 08:52 AM

I have answered Bunn's question via the Secret Mudcat PM network.

Now, along the same lines, I've been re-re-etc.-reading Pogo, and have decided that my favorite character therein is Grundoon. Grundoon is sooooooooo wise for his or her years, and his or her remarks are always wise and dead on point.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:35 AM

I know it's verging on a techie question, but how do I get in the back way? I can't support MOAB if I can't get in. And I know the answer will be in MOAB already, in accordance with the GUT, but I won't find it in here without help....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 09:11 PM

...be polymorphous perverse, Oedipus....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 07:45 PM

Polymorphism:

In object-oriented programming, the ability of different objects to respond, each in its own way, to the same message.
developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/ObjectiveC/7objc_glossary/chapter_9_section_1.html


a difference in DNA sequence among individuals. Genetic variations occurring in more than 1% of a population can be used for genetic linkage analysis.
home.san.rr.com/dna/darryl/glossary.html

The ability of different object to respond to the same message in specific ways: Objects can have very different implementations of the same message. In Smalltalk polymorphic behaviour in responce to messages is independent of inheritance.

www.object-arts.com/EducationCentre/Glossary.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 07:13 PM

What has Polly morphed into now? Is she one of those anime characters?


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