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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 10:54 AM

MOM! I'm ready for the office party, and I used cut-out letters from the newspaper to put my co-worker's name on her gift. I hope they don't pull out the DNA kit and check the tape, I'm sure I left a fingerprint.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 05:56 AM

Ha! As if anyone would pay you! ;-)





Hey...waiiiiit a minute...! Are...are you saying I could actually make money by just babbling on....





Whoa!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 10:55 PM

Amazing; I had forgotten what it was like to get social credit for babbling on endlessly about things. Now I do it for free!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 07:33 PM

Good for you! And how is that third one looking? Moonglow has been scribbling away for days on papers. I hope she'll come up for air one of these days and come for a visit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 07:26 PM

Yay! Not only did I just turn in the second of three huge projects just now, but I also landed serendipitously on this palindrome!

Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 05:17 PM

Don't make me repeat myself again, he reiterated...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 03:34 PM

That recurs to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 03:26 PM

"Groundhog Day", the film, has become a term of common parlance in the American idiom, Rap. You need to stay minimally current--say, at least up to 1990. It refers to the exisatentialist sense of deja vue, all over agai,n repeated redundantly, through multiple iterations of recurrence.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 02:32 PM

Jeepers, Rap! I was GONNA watch that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 02:18 PM

I wouldn't know. I assume you're referring to the film but I haven't seen it. The last film I saw was "The Great Train Robbery" where the guy shot at you at the end of the film.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 01:12 PM

Hey, Amos...drop and give me 3600! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM

Rapp,

That's a lovely picture for one afternoon. When you add in Groundhog Day re-runs, it loses its charm.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 10:50 AM

From a times article on life in Creede, Colorado in the dark of winter:

"Creede is not quite the end of the world, but you can see it from here," said Richard Brown, 63, who was born and raised here and worked 26 years in the silver mine until it closed in the mid-1980s.


It gives me quiet satisfaction to see the deep vein of American ironic humor is still running true below the surface.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 10:48 AM

Ah, motherhood! Apple pie, Old Glory, the Fourth of July, the boys marching home while young ladies smile and wave and throw flowers, a Nash in the garage, 2.5 children playing baseball in the yard...all the things that make America great! Only a filthy atheist pervert commie would think otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 12:54 AM

MOM, the young man I picked up at the airport is looking good, and I've learned about how his semester went. And as with his father, he rises to the challenge of something needing repair (puts them in a great mood), so he's in working on the computer I rebuilt. I got the basics in, the new hard drive installed, lots of software, the firewall and security, and now he's trying to get the audio drivers installed. I thought this computer was already making noise, but apparently not.

I've also made his favorite breaded chicken strips. The extras are in the fridge for lunch. As is the way with most mothers, we know a shortcut to our children's hearts. It is through their stomachs, and we don't hesitate to exploit that cheat. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 09:33 PM

Well, if yer going out in 100 kph winds, do me a favor and use a lifeline...BEFORE YOU GO OUT!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 09:18 PM

Well, the revolver is back from the warranty work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 09:16 PM

Pishposh. It's 46F and winds are all but dead calm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 09:00 PM

The gusts are nearing 100kph now... I can hear them whipping the pines out back. Almost time for a walk in the fresh air. What are ye lad blathreing on about? Mum Nature is calling... go for a walk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 08:38 PM

You'd be surprised at people's reaction when you use the command voice. They really do do what you tell them, probably because they're not used to being aggressively yelled at, with the voice coming from the diaphragm and the speaker being obnoxious. I've all but knocked people down using it. Turns out there's a form of martial art that uses only the voice as a "weapon."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:19 PM

Yeah, I had a command voice, too, back when I ruled the bridge, and it was a fine thing to have under the circumstances. But I won't use it on you. The cost-benefitr ratio is all wrong...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 06:07 PM

The last time I told Amos to drop and give me 25, he gave me 2500 words instead... ;-D


(And some of them were words you will not hear used by mere ignorant rabble. No sir! There were one or two really arcane ones I even had to look up to be quite sure of their meaning. I have since added them to my own repertoire and I use them to reduce verbal opponents to stunned stupefaction.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 05:52 PM

I've taken off my Drill Instructor's hat now, Amos. I won't be using my Command Voice again, at least not soon. I will revert to the meek and mild ex-librarian I am YOU SCUM-SUCKING DISGRACE TO MY ARMY! WHO TOLD YOU TO FOLD YOUR SHEETS LIKE THAT, DIRT BAG? AND YOUR BOOTS ARE A DISGRACE! WHAT DID YOU DO, SHINE THEM WITH A CANDY BAR? DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY-FIVE!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 04:05 PM

Now Rapp, put your testosterone away, okay?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 04:01 PM

That last was my Sergeant voice telling you what to do.

NOW DO IT!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM

Coraggio, mi amor. Coraggio.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 10:28 AM

Look, just suck it up. Now go telephone him and tell him you love him. You got that? You understand? Call him every other day and tell him the same thing. Now, GET GOING!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 01:39 AM

Janie, as virtual as it is, Mudcat is also real. As are your friends here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:48 AM

20 years ago this holiday season my sister was dying of breast cancer. She turned 41 in November, and had young children. Given her age and circumstances, she understandably opted for experimental treatments, nearly died from the treatments themselves, came out of a coma and regained just enough strength to be present for and partake in the affirmation of our family together and our abiding love and commitment to one another that the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays represent to us. I was home for Thanksgiving, but that Christmas was the first and only Christmas in my life I have ever spent away from my family-of-origin. I hightailed it to WV for New Years. By then she was so ill she was mostly delusional and incoherent. I was childless at that time, and was able to take time off from graduate school two weeks later to go up to West Virginia to help take care of her in her last 2 weeks of life. I did that for me, not for her. My life circumstances are not going to allow that with my Dad, but also may not be as necessary for either my family or me. None-the-less, it weighs on me.

Kaye died the end of January, 1991. My best last memories of my time with her was over Thanksgiving. She, Annie and I watched a broadcast of Paul Simon's recent Graceland's concert in South Africa on her wide screen TV. She could no longer stand or walk without a walker. She was 5'6" and weighed 87 lbs. She was completely bald and all beautiful brown eyes and beautiful bone structure. None of that stopped her from dancing in her seat on the couch, or from singing along with Paul and her sisters. The suffering in her eyes was stark, but so was the joy.

I used to be pretty good at drawing. I went home from that visit and drew a pencil sketch of her beautiful, emaciated face, with those shining, suffering and joyous eyes. Haven't touched a drawing pencil or water color brush since, and doubt I ever will have the need or compulsion to do so again.

Every loss taps into previous losses.   

We haven't lost him yet, we just know we will, sometime relatively soon - could be a few weeks or could be another 2 or 3 months. Until a few weeks ago he had minimal effects from the cancer, and it is shocking for all us, including Dad, to see a sudden, rapid progression in fatigue, weight loss, and shortness of breath. He is not, however, suffering in the same way my sister did, and I don't think he will suffer as much as she did.

In the meantime, we had a remarkably lovely Thanksgiving and anticipate Christmas will be just as special and full of unmitigated love and joy at being together in celebration of that love.

I'm rambling. If it is ok, I may pop in and ramble some more as the spirit moves. I'm pretty isolated right now, don't have the leisure time to get up with loving friends, my loving friends in 3-D are all going through some pretty difficult "stuff" themselves, and many, though not most of them, did not have the "Happy Hollister" family I was born into by an accident of birth, and while willing to listen, wonder what I am whining about. They have a point.

   Not seeking comfort or advice, only tolerance and a bit of tenderness. Thanks for letting me ramble and ruminate.   I won't abuse the privilege.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 11:24 PM

There's no way you can get ready to lose a loved one, Janie. You just have to move through it the best way you can and feel and give all the depth of love you can as you move through it.

Strangely enough, the losses that I have felt most keenly were on two different occasions when one of our dogs died. I've never lost a person yet where it hit me as hard as it did with Arnot and Finnegan (both Dachshunds). I guess that was partly because there was no past history of hurt or fear between me and them....just love.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 10:53 PM

Remember the wisdom of Pogo Possum: Life ain't no ways permanent, and folks are only lent to us for a spell.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Eiseley
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 09:45 PM

Thank you for sharing that, Rap.

Janie, this is something Rumi wrote that helps me a bit, though the pain of loss is about the sharpest thing there is:

You have a potion
which you give the despairing,
secretly, lest the hopeful,
grieving for it,
should utter lamentation:

Look as long as you can
at the friend you love,
no matter whether that friend
is moving away from you
or coming back to you.


Eiseley


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 07:32 PM

Thank you, friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 06:35 PM

During the course of this life, Rap, I've seen at least 3 fullblown "miracles"...occurrences that simply weren't "possible" within terms of our normal ideas of reality.

They were all very significant occasions, and the things that occurred were in regards to genuine need...and were very positive.

Miracles, people call them. And they happen.

I do not discuss them on this forum for very good reason...(casting pearls before certain swine can elicit some very upleasant responses from said swine)...but your story appears to be something along the same lines.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 05:09 PM

I was preparing to go to Indiana and Illinois for Thanksgiving. I wanted, among other things, to see my Uncle (the last of the men who acted as a surrogate father when my father died) who has cancer in his right lung which has metastasized to the bones of his ribcage.

Knowing that I need money for the couple of weeks I'd be gone I withdrew $400 for traveling money and put it on top of my armoire, as I always do. The day before I left I put it away for travel, counting it as I did so.

The day I left I found another $40 on top of the armoire -- two twenties folded together. Figuring that I had somehow screwed up, I simply put them in my wallet and forgot about it.

Counting up when I got to where I was going, I found I had an extra $40. Hmmm.... When I got to town to see my Uncle I was told that he was having a hard time looking at his magazines because of macular degeneration taking his vision and that the magnifier which his son had bought wasn't working for the old man.

Having 40 years or more of experience in libraries and knowing something about magnifiers and the elderly I decided to get one I knew would work. I spoke with my wife, who suggested a couple of places that might have them, one of which was Hobby Lobby.

The next morning I pulled out from the motel and about two blocks down the street was Hobby Lobby (when I lived there the entire area I was in was cornfields). I bought two magnifiers I thought would work. The cost came to slightly over $36.00.

This man was my mother's youngest and favorite brother. And I ask you, where did the extra money come from?

I don't know, but I can make a guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:35 PM

The abstract pattern that is the I of him will not fade no matter how many forms come and go to cover it; so it is with all of us. The connections, too, are enduring across many instances of form. Recognizing that always makes me feel better, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 01:49 PM

Indeed it is. Thanks, A.

Janie... what Rap said. Simple things like, "It's okay." and "Thanks." are are the best gifts you can give him.

Take care. Thoughts and prayers to you and yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 12:58 PM

That's brilliant! And I think it is also quite correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 12:18 PM

Wise words all. Here is a piece I use for comfort when I think of my own parents and other close connections that have gone.

Gone From My Sight


I am standing upon the seashore.
A ship at my side spreads her white sails
to the morning breeze
and starts for the blue ocean.

She is an object of beauty and strength.
I stand and watch her until at length
she hangs like a speck of white cloud
just where the sea and sky come
to mingle with each other.

Then, someone at my side says;
"There, she is gone!"
"Gone where?"
Gone from my sight. That is all.

She is just as large in mast and hull
and spar as she was when she left my side
and she is just as able to bear her
load of living freight to her destined port.

Her diminished size is in me, not in her.
And just at the moment when someone
at my side says, "There, she is gone!"

There are other eyes watching her coming,
and other voices ready to take up the glad
shout;

"Here she comes!"

And that is dying.

by Henry Van Dyke, a 19th Century clergyman, educator, poet, and religious writer.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 11:41 AM

I can't tell you how many times I was ready to reach out and phone one of them after my parents died. I'd say it was two or three years, the kids would do something great and I'd think "I have to call Mom." And then realize that what we were doing was directly related to things Mom did in our lives, but she wasn't there to share with. It is difficult, but you have the reminders, and you keep them alive in yourself and your children. I know my parents would be proud to bursting with my daughter's theater costume design, and my son's scholarship. It's my job to now occasionally tell them that their grandparents would be so thrilled with what they're doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 10:05 AM

You've got to give them permission to go, and you have to give yourself permission to give them permission. It's all a matter of Love: loving yourself and having enough love so they can go knowing that it's okay. Remember that you never really "lose" them -- you just can't phone them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 02:06 AM

Janie, you're grieving already, and it is worse when they pass. But it's like finally vomiting when you have the flu - when it happens, there is some relief. Not right away, but it changes. My mother-in-law died Thursday, so my ex and my children are in the place you anticipate. And I hope I can help them through it, but time is what is the best cure. Take care of yourself.

I'll save the BS for tomorrow. Sleep on it tonight. Take care, everyone. Give someone you love a big hug.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 01:01 AM

There's no getting ready; and there's no way to take care of the situation at heart. You can smooth some of the logistics, but better to let a friend help with that. And this is the kinda thing Mom is for. So no sweat on that account. Continue breathing. Hearts are with you.

Is he ready to lose you?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 12:34 AM

Sorry Mom and sibs to abuse your hospitality. Just aint' no where else for me to say what I can not put into words with any artistry, or to anyone who has no expectations of me to "take care of the situation."

No words, no poetry, no music or verse. Not surprising. My art is appreciation, not artistic expression.

I can't seem to get ready to lose my Dad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 09:56 PM

Well, you were confused; you're not supposed to leave tomatoes all winter in the root cellar, man!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 09:27 PM

The last tomato juice I made and canned tasty dusty but didn't make us sick. Haven't done it since.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:53 PM

Unless it is something like "tailhook"?

Busy cooking up tomato juice and sauce this afternoon, and canning this evening. You boys just relax, but someone go dig around in the bookcase for that kiddie book about Little Red Hen. MOM is going to make you read it out loud first time one of you asks for a glass of this superb homegrown and homemade tomato juice.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:46 PM

They mostly use them to symbolize the Gantlet Run at wedding ceremonies anymore.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 07:43 PM

Go Blue!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 07:31 PM

The US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines all have ceremonial swords. They are not trained to use them, however -- fencing has been discontinued in all of the service academies EXCEPT the Air Force.


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