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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:26 PM

Unstoppable, that's MOM all right!

You'd think she'd slow down occasionally and relax over a cup of tea, or some good single malt - but no - she always has to be up and about - spreading BS thoughout the land, the oceans, the airwaves.

Dedication is her middle name.

or would be if she had one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:12 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:05 PM

We are only ten more posts away
From the churning thunder roar
Where the Mighty MOAB thread
Will move to 21-and-4.

Do not doubt, she will not stop,
She the Dreadnought in the storm,
She the force that will not yield,
She, unstoppable, is Mom.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:55 AM

I think he got that hairdo from Olive Oyl, liberally applied. Popeye never forgave her.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:38 AM

He would bloody well HAVE to leave town, I should think. I mean, you wouldn't want to come back and face those other cowpokes after yelling something like that.

Anyone else notice that Tonto had a most peculiar hairdo that looked sort of like something Olive Oyle might have opted for if she was dressing up for the New Years Party?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:35 AM

But he yelled it as he was LEAVING town - so they wouldn't have the chance!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:33 AM

Well, depends on the town, I guess. You recall that one of Bugs Bunny's undying regrets was not having turned left at Albuquerque...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:28 AM

Any cowboy who really went around yelling "Hi-Yo, Silver, AWAYYYY...." would have been laughed out of town.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 10:41 AM

Sure, and the very same! Also intrepid pioneers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 10:25 AM

Lois and Clark? The famous reporter and her kryptonian sidekick?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 10:13 AM

Rapaire, clearly we are re-inventing the medium, and we can borrow TJATAW from Lois and Clark, the intrepid pioneers, and use it to provide background hubris for TLR and Williwaw, his faithful Indian companion.

However I think I see the future: in 2009's series, Brokeback Ranger, the sidekick is affectiionately called Skookums, for reasons that develop in the third through tenth episiodes...



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:29 AM

I thought Superman was "truth, justice, and the American way" and the Lone Ranger was "...and a hearty 'Hi-ho, Silver!'...."

(We always thought that shouting "Hi-ho, Silver!" was like yelling "Tally ho! The fox!" and wasn't quite, well, comme il faut for a two-gun cowboy.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:12 AM

"A mysterious masked lawman who, accompanied by his Faithful Indian Companion, Williwa, rides the plains in defense of truth, justice, and the American way!". Que es tonto, no? Ai, mi pobricita mama!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:54 AM

How about "chinook" or "williwa"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:44 AM

Don't go trying to substitute that fine Northwestern word skookum for the name of the Lone Ranger's side kick. It isn't a word that would rest lightly on an individual in the American Southwest.

Many fine creeks and rivers and even mountains have the name "chuck" in them. I climbed Pilchuck many times, to many to count, and Pilchuck creek comes off of it. Hyakchuck creek is up near the Whitechuck River in the Darrington area (near Dakhobed, also called Glacier Peak). It is redundant to say "Whitechuck River," and most of us were aware of it. Like saying Mount Fujiyama. It's either Mt. Fuji or Fujiyama because "yama" is mountain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 11:20 PM

The better way from Wilmington to Hillsborough to I-40.   

Assuming you're in a hurry, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 11:12 PM

There is no "Shane," skookum or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 10:32 PM

And Shane is the most skookum of hosers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 10:28 PM

Mom is definitely the most skookum of threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 08:34 PM

Skookum is itself a heap skookum word, n'est-ce pas?

"... meanings from "'good,' to 'strong,' 'best,' 'powerful,' 'ultimate' and 'first rate.' Something can be skookum meaning 'cool' or skookum can be 'tough.' A skookum burger is a big (or really tasty) hamburger, but when your Mom's food is skookum, it's delicious but also hearty [...] When you're skookum, you've got a purpose and you're on solid ground."

Being called skookum may also mean that someone can be counted on as reliable and hard-working, or is big and strong. In a perhaps slightly less positive vein, skookum house means jail or prison, cf. the English euphemism "the big house" but here meaning "strong house". Skookum tumtum, lit. "strong heart", is generally translated as "brave" or possibly "good-hearted". In the Chinook Jargon, skookum is also used as a verb auxiliary, as in "can" or "to be able". Another compound, though fallen out of use in modern BC English, is skookum lacasset", or strongbox.

A related word "skookumchuck" means turbulent water or rapids in a stream or river, i.e. "strong water" ("chuck" is Chinook Jargon for "water" or "stream" or "lake"). There are three placenames in British Columbia using this word, one of them for a famous saltwater rapid at the mouth of Sechelt Inlet, the others at rapids on the Lillooet and Columbia Rivers."

A better way! A more skookum way!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 06:29 PM

The reason the FIC is there at all...the reason ANY faithful sidekick is there as an assistant to the main heroic character of the tale...is this: it is a device which permits the main character to get into many desperate situations where the sidekick can rescue him...or vice versa. It allows for more complex plot permutations than a story about a character entirely on his own.

It also provides lots of scope for plenty of cool scenes and dialogue involving UIP.

"My head is aching and I keep hearing a strange ringing in my ears, Tonto."

"Ugh. That because you gottum arrow through head from last ambush, kimosave..."

"What kind of arrow is it, Tonto?"

"It be Apache arrow, Kimosave. Woolworth's brand. You want me pull-um out?"

"No, Tonto. No. I am one who has always been willing to sacrifice comfort for style. Hi-Yo Silver...AWAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 06:13 PM

Chingo?

I always wondered about Tonto -- he saves the life of the Lone Ranger so he gets to be the second fiddle? Right...........

By the way, when the English reached Jamestown the Indians of the Virginia coast, all along the Atlantic coast north from Florida in fact, were fairly well acquainted with the English, Spanish and French. A little MORE acquaintance and less liberal immigration policy on the part of the Indians and things might have turned out a bit differently from what they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 05:51 PM

Thanks for the fascinating info, Rapaire. It's remarkable to think of North American Indians spending years living in England or Europe in the 1500's...then going back to tell the other Indians what they saw there. Boy, it must have been some culture shock!

Knowing Spanish rather well, I was amused for years that the FIC in the Lone Ranger stories was called "Tonto". I always wondered how they marketed those same characters in the Spanish-speaking world, as they must have done. They simply could not have called that character "Tonto" in a Spanish-language culture. It would have been totally ridiculous. I think they probably changed his name to something else instead, and if so....to what???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 05:18 PM

LH, it was a skookum word in the lingua franca of Indian-White trade.

However...remember that Indians had been visiting and living in Europe from about 1493 on and by the time Jamestown was settled in 1607 there were Indians living in Virginia that had spent literally YEARS in England and elsewhere in Europe.

Moreover, there were Europeans -- often young boys -- who spent time with the Indians.

Read "The Jamestown Project" for more information on this.

(Know why the Lone Ranger was shot by his Faithful Indian companion? Because the FIC found out what "Tonto" meant. [Please note that it requires somewhat of a Spanish vocabulary to get this.])


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:45 PM

Me think UIP heap good! All Injuns in-um Hollywood speak-um UIP in 1930s, 40s, 50s. Everybody know that. It be Universal Code for-um different tribes so nobody get-um confused and not know what other guy mean when talk. It take-um heap dumb person to question elegant UIP language system that gettum universal acceptance with Metro-Goldwyn Mayer AND Cecil B. De Mille AND all other big studios.

Such political radical people be-um main reason for failure and decline of-um western movies at box office. Heap BAD medicine!

What be-um derivation of word "heap" anyway? Anybody know? Where "heap" come from?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:23 PM

Where did the "hamstrung linguistic nonsense" come from?

You mean to tell me that the Shawnee, Blackfoot, Seminole, Arapahoe, Apache, Creek, Crow, Dakota, Cherokee,Cheyenne, Chickasaw, Chinook. Chippewa (Ojibwa), Choctaw, Coeur d'Alene, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Monhegan, Klallam, Klamath, and Iroquois didn't all speak Universal Indian Pidgin (UIP)??

I am absolutely stunned at this revelation.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:10 PM

Did you hear the narration provided by N. Scott Momaday on one of the PBS history series of the last decade? I think it was The West or maybe The Remembered Earth (these two come up in a quick search). Puts to rest all of that hamstrung linguistic nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 04:00 PM

Ambiguity heap good--make white boy spend dough like water...no tolerance for uncertainty in white man's head.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 01:02 PM

Northern Exposure did a pretty good job of debunking that hackneyed figure. It took a lot to get past skinny old Italian guys in black wigs canoeing around North America crying over trash.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:55 PM

Ugh. That true. Anyway, how get Hollywood acting job in 40s and 50s if not talk like Hollywood Injun?

(It's kind of sad and hilarious at the same time when you go back and read the stuff from that era that was taken for granted at the time...there's a Hollywood Indian in one of the Raymond Chandler stories, which are all beautifully written by the way, and he talks just like that.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:31 PM

Hope more cash arrive in response to boundless ambiguity, is why....



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM

Red man speak leaving out key words and appropriate verb tenses.

Why that? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:09 PM

You make the arrangements and we'll come do it, Amos!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:39 AM

BEing in San Diego is definitely a better way.

I meant something even better --- like being in San Diego with lots of olive oil and plenty of cash.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:34 AM

Let's all move to SAN DIEGO!!

That would be a better...uh, well, it would be a way. And we could all stay at Amos's place.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:31 AM

White man speak with forked tongue.

Thanks, Still.

Definitely one answer to the Question. Noteworthy that of all possible answers so far, two have focused on olive oil.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 09:07 AM

You're saying that if I press my shirts I'll get oil? How about basketball -- will a full-court press yield even more oil? Can we solve the nation's fuel problems this way? And I'm not sure plain old olive trees will survive here, not like the Russian Olive tree does, and the city won't let you plant any more of them because they're an invasive species.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 12:49 AM

The Nature of a Better Way--

the

key

is

Here.

Read this book. Study the attitudes toward good food and hard work and wine and art and adventure of new things.

You'll want to wallow in your farmer's market, grow your own olives and press your own oil, you'll want to sample fine wines and good cooking. You'll want to grow your own produce, live healthy, work hard, sleep well at night. And laugh.

The movie was cute, but the book is marvelous.

Bon Appetit!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:40 PM

Well, that's why I dropped him way over on the other side of the lake. In the winter.

And the traps are still set.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

And knowing of your kind and loving heart he will return with all his kith and kin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

I hope so. ;-) Have you seen "Ratatouille"? It's an absolutely wonderful movie about a grateful and very deserving rodent.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:19 PM

I am sure he is sensitive to your generosity and appropriately grateful.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:15 PM

Heh! Well, perhaps. Cockroaches, if nothing else, are great survivors, so I wouldn't be too quick to judge them for their generally unsavory reputation....as long as they don't overrun my kitchen. Then the gloves are off.

Speaking of which, I had to go on a bitter anti-mouse campaign here over the past 2 months. The house was infested with them for some reason.

Final score: 7 large and prosperous looking mice killed by traps and one prisoner taken unharmed when I fortuitously trapped him in a small box. I would really prefer not to hurt them, all things considered. I took that lucky fellow around the other side of the small lake here...far enough away that he wouldn't come back...and dropped him off at the outdoor wildlife sanctuary place where they have pheasants and other birds in cages. I figured he'd find bird food there aplenty to live on, even in the middle of winter...but he might have had to negotiate for space with the local mice who were already there. Anyway, I gave him about the best chance I could figure out at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 08:46 PM

Far, far better than Olive oil or Canadian Subways, good Hawk. May you infect the soul of Cockroach and quicken the heartbeat thereof.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:53 PM

Ultimately, I think the Better Way is simply beyond expressing in language, but it would be an approximation to say that it is akin to one enormous Harmony...with no dissonance whatsoever. Dissonance would only appear to occur when one split off various parts of the One Harmony and considered them from certain isolated perspectives, but without grasping the whole.

And that is the general problem of existence: being limited to one's isolated perspectives, and not grasping the whole.

The less one does grasp the whole, the more is one inclined to argue...and to cast judgement...and to take sides in disputes...and to see evil. A host of miseries derive from clinging to one's partialities.

And that is one of the reasons why I think it's a very bad idea to have political parties, come to think of it. It creates perpetual political warfare in a society by setting up oppositional forces. The same is true of having teams in organized sports, but that is a far more innocent form of stylized warfare than what we see occurring in politics, and it usually does a lot less damage to the world (soccer hooligans notwithstanding).

But the fact that I have a problem with political parties AND organized sports also indicates my own partiality and judgement! ;-) And I know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:30 PM

It is clear that few if any of Mom's Loyal Chitlins have the time to Make a Proposition in answer to the Topic.

Proposition: The Nature of a Better Way Includes More Harmony and Less Dissonance



I would llike to know what BWL has to say about this. Also Kink Khankadoo. And Janie, Maggie, Leedle Hack, and Rapaire. Also Tweed, Bunn, Rustic Rebel and the funny lady from Blueblood, England.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:10 PM

Spoken in the True Cockroach Spirit. Yet, it may be yet to be discovered that Nothing is a Unary, Transcendental and All-Permeating singularity, requiring only a single breath to be fully Known.

Such a moment would indeed make an Archie of a Mehitabel, or vice-versa, depending on how well it was assimilated.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 05:00 PM

If you do not explore all ways you cannot know which is better, just as you cannot know true repentance until you have explored all that you need not repent of. For only by the experience of nothing can you experience something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:46 PM

Behold, Butterfly draws closer to the Way than Cockroach!!

Why is that?

But no, much as I revere Olive Oil, I do not think that she alone can personify the Better Way of which I am in search.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 04:30 PM

The better way you are searching for involves olive oil, Amos.


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