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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 08:17 PM

It can't be easy to fly all the way to Florida with a flight of geese.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 05:25 PM

"Bated point" is still used in historical, classical, and sport fencing to indicate a weapon with a blunt (or non-pointy) point. My rapier, for instance, has a rounded point instead of one that is sharp -- a bated point. Over it I can put a large rubber tip, or "blunt," to further insure that my opponent isn't harmed.

In Hamlet Shakespeare has Laertes fence with an "unbated" and poisoned point. The King (whose given name was Herman) says:

We'll put on those shall praise your excellence        
And set a double varnish on the fame        
The Frenchman gave you, bring you, in fine, together        
And wager on your heads. He, being remiss,        
Most generous and free from all contriving,        
Will not peruse the foils, so that, with ease,        
Or with a little shuffling, you may choose        
A sword unbated, and in a pass of practice
Requite him for your father.


Later, Laertes says to Hamlet:

Laer. It is here, Hamlet. Hamlet, thou art slain;        
No medicine in the world can do thee good;        
In thee there is not half an hour of life;        
The treacherous instrument is in thy hand,        
Unbated and envenom'd. The foul practice        
Hath turn'd itself on me; lo! here I lie,        
Never to rise again. Thy mother's poison'd.        
I can no more. The king, the king's to blame.


More, in "The Merchant of Venice" Gratiano says:

Where is the horse that doth untread again        
His tedious measures with the unbated fire        
That he did pace them first?


Since you now know more about it than you ever thought possible I shall end my pedantics.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 03:56 PM

NINETEEN,
NINE, and
THIRTY-FIVE....


We still use "abated" in lots of contexts, and we still understand contractions and aphesis. So I think the author was just rising energetically to a defense of willful ignorance and/or linguistic lazery.

I agree, of course, that we should not be slaves to the language, but rather, its masters. But even the master 'bates on occasion.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 03:40 PM

OK. So it's not Friday night and he still dressed in Spandex. Who was to know?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 03:29 PM

BTW: The rest of the story, from a site called "World Wide Words." Good description.


    It's easy to mock, but there's a real problem here. Bated and baited sound the same and we no longer use bated (let alone the verb to bate), outside this one set phrase, which has become an idiom. Confusion is almost inevitable. Bated here is a contraction of abated through loss of the unstressed first vowel (a process called aphesis); it has the meaning "reduced, lessened, lowered in force". So bated breath refers to a state in which you almost stop breathing through terror, awe, extreme anticipation, or anxiety.

    Shakespeare is the first writer known to use it, in The Merchant of Venice: "Shall I bend low and, in a bondman's key, / With bated breath and whisp'ring humbleness, / Say this ...". Nearly three centuries later, Mark Twain employed it in Tom Sawyer: "Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale".


No one will accuse Gluon of abated breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 01:54 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 12:45 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 12:42 PM

Ah, well, the spell check isn't too good on syntax. But I was fishing for a response, so it isn't too far off. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 12:16 PM

That's "bated" breath. "Baited" would be if you hang a worm on your lower lip.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 11:15 AM

Those who are over 60 and going to Denver have dibs. Mom said so.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 10:22 AM

;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 10:21 AM

That's not enough, you piker! There are several who are already 60 who are waiting with baited-breath hoping to swoop down on that number!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: bubblyrat
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 10:20 AM

It isn't going to be as easy as that is it!
Anniecat


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: bubblyrat
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 10:15 AM

Bubblyrat is 60 tomorrow, let him be 20,000 on this thread!! Love Anniecat


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 09:21 AM

You are SUCH a brown-nose, Rapaire.

I am glad you came back from that long-ago voyage. It would have really made Mom less interesting if you had not.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 09:13 AM

Yes, yes, Mom. I'll have a laptop with me. I won't leave you alone amidst the Rest Of These.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 08:58 AM

Denver, the mile-high city.... Denver, where I and the rest of the National Guard company detrained in 1968 on our way to Ft. Carson and then to The War -- yes, armed and helmeted, drawn up in company formation across the street from a construction site with labor troubles, where the strikers first gaped and then started grabbing axe handles and other clubs...and then the buses arrived to take us away....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 11:08 PM

No, on Wednesday I'm bound for Denver.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 11:00 PM

What a merry lot. After all these strenuous months and years of stern travail, rolling the endless rock of Pure B.S. up the Mountain of Great Numbers, it is a delight to see reinforcements heave into view.

Carry on, men and women of the MOAB. You shall see the glory of 20K off your bow before this week is out. This I promise you. Trim them tight, and never mind the heel; let the spray blow where it will, we are bound for twenty K.

Mom.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 10:27 PM

I guess MOM's kids are going to have to hover on the porch for a while. Good thing it's nice fall weather, and the dogs are glad of the company.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 10:19 PM

Brucie, you're welcome to add to the nonsense, you don't need to just count posts. After a glass of wine with dinner the image of a duck flying around with a skillet and a boot is rather amusing. Just what MOM ordered for one of Bobert's down-home Saturday nights. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 08:59 PM

Well, seein' as we are barrelin' down on the big 20K, as in millineum, I figured that I would sneak back in here an' maybe, jus' maybe, get a shot at the big one...

But nevermind that... I was thinkin' about an old joke about the one winged duck flyin' in circles... Can't remember the joke, however...

But in this thread that kinda stuff don't matter much...

BTW, I believe this post to bo only my 3rd on this thread but seein' as I do drugs on occasion I wouldn't swear to it or at it, fir that matter...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 08:14 PM

He's Mother's Little Helper!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 08:12 PM

Helping it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 08:01 PM

Just helping the thread on its way to post 20,000.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 07:59 PM

I thought ducks had wings and used them to fly. I didn't know that ducks flew frying pans and galoshes. I can see WHY they'd fly frying pans: armor against the duck hunters. But galoshes? Would sitting down inside a galosh make it hard to see out and tell where you're going?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 07:43 PM

Is a Duck Flying frying pan any relation to a duck dog?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 07:03 PM

Oh, the weather outside is charming
But my friends to the North are barmying
So as long as I'm in San DiegO
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!

I don't mean to be stiff or proud, oh.
We do sometimes see a cloud, oh.
And sometimes put a sweate on at night.
That's awright, that's awright, that's awright.

...

(Ducks flying frying pans and galoshes and exits stage right...)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 03:02 PM

GBlrtfxl!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 02:43 PM

Oh, Mom! How soon they forget the Secret MOAB Code!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 02:32 PM

. . . stomp stomp stomp

Damn, but that duck dog can dig a deep hole fast. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 01:07 PM

Geez, have to do everything myself


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 12:56 PM

He's right! I just took a look outside myself, and it's


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 12:26 PM

Someone check the satellite view over Pocatello, Idaho. Does Google show where Rapaire's words disappeared to? Is he out on the golf course, or maybe he's pulling grass in his driveway?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM

Goddamn Gluon. Outside it's SNOWING!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 09:57 AM

Here's to the fulfillment of such a possibility by the collapse of the eigenstate into a single realized reality-vector with a positive value and an appreciable perceptual density.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 01:23 AM

Shatner again failed to make an appearance. I fear he may have given up on this thread, perhaps even on this forum. It's awful to contemplate, but I think it's a possibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 10:55 PM

Look! A big number!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 10:55 PM

Oh!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 10:54 PM

[not]


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 09:50 PM

...and the United States' "social safety net."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 07:31 PM

And the Neo-Con movement...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 05:54 PM

And the WOrld Bank, and the WTO....



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 05:49 PM

In the Supreme Court. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 05:31 PM

Yes, but his spirit lives on. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 03:58 PM

Ronald Reagan. He died. I'm sorry, Amos, but it's true. Please try not to take it too hard.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 02:43 PM

this in not a dead thread - this is MOM's thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 02:31 PM

Oh. Waht's thiss all about, then?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 12:36 PM

No thanks, he's dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:57 AM

Actually, Rapaire, the sentence from AG is meant to say, although it does so ambiguously, that IF leaders pervert the language THEN the country is in trouble. This is not an "IF and ONLY IF" proposition.

In Bush's case, I would say it goes without further explication.

Thus, the reverse statement (if the country is in trouble then the leader's language will be perverted) is not necessarily true, you see.
Cf. Ronald Reagan.


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