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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 04:25 PM

Double thanks. I am very impressed with Ms. S.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:59 PM

Ah, many thanks. Susan J. is riveting, and hitting right on my sweet spot...



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:49 PM

You can watch it online.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:36 PM

Never mind Chongo--these boys are WAY out of his league, old pal. I won't add, "...or yours", because I respect your vital homegrown intellect.


Wish I had caught it, Stilly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:31 PM

Susan Jacoby was on last night.

    The notion that Americans aren't often at the top of the ladder of erudition isn't new. Every year the media points out how poorly U.S. kids perform in math and geography feats compared to many other nations' school children. Susan Jacoby follows a notable scholarly tradition with her new book, THE AGE OF UNREASON. In 1964 historian Richard Hofstadter won the Pulizter Prize with his lament — ANTI-INTELLECUTALISM IN AMERICAN LIFE: "The national distaste for the intellectual appeared to be not just a disgrace but a hazard to survival." Jacoby says of Hofstatder's work now: "It is difficult to suppress the fear that the scales of American history have shifted heavily against the vibrant and varied intellectual life so essential to functional democracy."

    Are we in danger from our "addiction to infotainment" rather than a reliance on rationality? Tell us on the blog.



Biography

Susan Jacoby, who began her writing career as a reporter for THE WASHINGTON POST, is the author of five books, including WILD JUSTICE, a Pulitzer Prize finalist. Awarded fellowships by the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities and the New York Public Library's Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers, she has been a contributor to THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, THE NATION, TomPaine.com and the AARP BULLETIN, among other publications. She is also director of the Center for Inquiry-Metro New York and lives in New York City.

Bill Moyers spoke with Jacoby about FREETHINKERS: A HISTORY OF AMERICAN SECULARISM in 2004, in which Jacoby offered an impassioned history that challenges the current marginalization of secular values. (Watch the interview.) Her newest book is THE AGE OF UNREASON.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:25 PM

Which are, exactly, what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM

He'll do almost anything if you pay him.

Well, I mean anything that doesn't offend his moral sensibilities.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 02:33 PM

I doubt Chongo would be intereste din tracking down clues about a Bill Moyers show...



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 02:00 PM

Perhaps you should get in touch with Chongo, given the fact that Sherlock Holmes is no longer available.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 01:53 PM

Ah, I see no clues are forthcoming. One of us or the other must be clueless...


On this subject, that would be I.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:28 AM

Well I missed that command altogether so I didn't. How about a clue?

Several, if you can spare them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 10:46 PM

Watch Bill Moyer tonight

It's a really excellent program. It's on here right now, if you're on the west coast it probably hasn't come on yet. Record it or sit down and watch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 05:47 PM

Yes. I know several such here. Even now they are usually haunted men.

They are stable, law-abiding, caring citizens who if it were necessary could kill without a qualm.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 05:28 PM

Thanks; I have known some who went on such, sometimes having to do most unkindly things to the men, women and children they met in their wanderings. A hudder to remember, even thirty year slater.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:49 PM

here.

(Dagslab goodfernothin' computer buttons....)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:48 PM

Long Range Reconnaisance Patrol. Explanation


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:12 PM

Good stuff, Rapaire! You have explained it well.

Indeed, all communities everywhere wish to remember the fallen in that fashion, just as you say. And it's totally understandable that they feel that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 04:03 PM

What is LRRP?


I think he is onto something good here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 03:03 PM

- to comfort the bereaved?
Yes. They come and do receive some comfort. I know, I've met them

- to justify the losses?
Not on your life!

- to inspire further such sacrifices in further wars?
God, no!

- to increase patriotic fervour and support of war?
Are you kidding? Here in Idaho, Reddest of the Red, the war is about as popular as gonorrhea or Larry Craig.

- to inspire anger and hatred toward "the enemy"?
Nope.

- to call out for vengeance?
Hell no!

- to honor the dead?
...And to remember them, as the young men and women they were. (Oh, there's also a memorial for the civilians who have been killed by both sides, but it's not on that YouTube segment.)

John Rogers, who thought it all up and has been the driving force behind it, has done it and placed it where it is (easily and immediately visible from a major Interstate) so that people will KNOW, be socked in the gut, by the number of the dead. Most folks can't visualize more than fifty or so people together, at the most. Now, John was LRRP in 'Nam and took a mortar fragment to the head which has harmed the vision in both eyes (right worse than the left). But when the White House won't let pictures of the flag-draped coffins be shown, when the wounded and the dead arrive at 2 a.m. so that home folks won't be disturbed, when the President and VP themselves don't seem to know diddly-squat about the damage war does to lives, why, I start to think that ol' John might be on to something here. I know he's not going to go to a peace demonstration, but he's making more of an impression than most of the demos do.

There are those who stop each year (this will be the fifth) and remark on how many more crosses there are than there were the previous year....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 02:56 PM

They are part of the sell on certain asserted premises: that the nation as such is inherently a Grat Good to be Protected At All COst, and that it was under Extreme Threat; and therefore, that those dying in battle Stood for Virtue Against the Ultimate Odds, and Paid the Ultimate Price to defend our Great Virtues.

Now, to a certain extent, there is a grain of truth in these assertions, but the sad fact is that the right-wing, the deeply sentimental, and those who want to camouflage their own failures to make similar high-risk contirbutions to the group good, have exagerrated these slogans and laid about with them until they are plumb worn out at the elbows. So they seem, perhaps, less inspiring than at one time they may have seemed.

But I will say this: standing up to a lethal threat in battle takes a huge amount of courage, and a great ability to confront. If you actually do it, especially becaise of a philosophical sense of Virtue, you are being heroic, sure enough. I have never been shot at and do not intend to begin now, myself; if it ever came down to it, I would want to be able to face it as intelligently and courageously as some of these veterans (especially the ones who survive).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 01:35 PM

Look at the political weight of the term--it's all in the context. If you have a man/woman who fought and killed people who wasn't in the military or in some extreme defensive position, would that term be used? Otherwise, they'd be a murderer. It is a socially sanctioned action with a specific name.

Another such term is "martyr." In other contexts this person would simply be a murder victim or be suicidal.

My two cents.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 12:56 PM

Regarding the "Field of Heroes"...

Is EVERY man who dies in a war automatically a hero? Or is he someone whose luck ran out? Or is he something other than both of those?

If every man in an American military graveyard is a hero, then are not all the dead Iraqis and Afghans and other people who died fighting those men also heroes? And if not, why not? Surely their own people miss them in the same way that we miss ours.

Does the naming of dead soldiers as "heroes" serve a purpose? If so, which purpose?

- to comfort the bereaved?
- to justify the losses?
- to inspire further such sacrifices in further wars?
- to increase patriotic fervour and support of war?
- to inspire anger and hatred toward "the enemy"?
- to call out for vengeance?
- to honor the dead?

Which of those? Or is it all of them? That may depend on who you are and how you think about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 12:12 PM

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 12:50:20 UTC
Tuesday, February 12, 2008 at 06:50:20 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 16.409°N, 94.165°W
Depth 99.6 km (61.9 miles)
Region OAXACA, MEXICO
Distances 60 km (35 miles) WNW of Tonala, Chiapas, Mexico
115 km (70 miles) ENE of Salina Cruz, Oaxaca, Mexico
440 km (270 miles) WNW of GUATEMALA CITY, Guatemala
625 km (390 miles) ESE of MEXICO CITY, D.F., Mexico

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 4.9 km (3.0 miles); depth +/- 10.2 km (6.3 miles)
Parameters Nst=195, Nph=195, Dmin=751.6 km, Rmss=1.02 sec, Gp= 43°,
M-type=moment magnitude (Mw), Version=



If you're going to Oaxaca
Wear your springs...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 11:55 AM

Idaho State University (hereinafter called "ISU" or "the U") holds "New Knowledge Adventures" (hereinafter called "NKA") as part of the Continuing Education (hereinafter not referred to again) program. They NKAers are having a snowshoeing trek about 18 miles up-canyon from our house. This is an annual event, followed by chili eating. These folks are all over 60 and should know better, really.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 10:07 AM

I have my snowshoes here at the house, I could dig out an old pair of boots and head your way. If having snowshoes is all it takes to get invited. I'll pass on the chili, though. I had some beans earlier this week that, well, I'm still kind of uncomfortable even after their passing. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 09:58 AM

Are they being invied as guests for chili who will just happen to come by snow-shoe? Or is snow-shoing the qualifying attribute here of who has been invited? If so, why?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 09:55 AM

What's the occasion, and where will the snowshoe? The golf course? No point in pulling out the old saw about yellow snow; perhaps better to direct folks to the facilities and tell them not to make yellow snow. (Too much nitrogen in the lawn and your weeds will grow fast next spring.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 08:57 AM

We're having 34 snowshoers over tomorrow for chili. They're bringing the chili; there are 2.5 bathrooms on the first floor and another down here. We also have shovels.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 02:17 AM

Got past Valentine's day just in time for the President's Day activities--White sales. Need any new sheets or towels, MOM?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 09:01 PM

You mean Little Owl?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 08:27 PM

Geeze--talk about "didn't get the concept...". :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 02:46 PM

Try this valentine on for size...

the Foul Owl


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 02:27 PM

This video (it's only a minute long) isn't exactly Valentine Day stuff, but it'll give you an idea of something we do out here in Pocatello.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 12:47 PM

Hey, guys! Happy HEart Day. So! How's Mom???


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 09:16 AM

Well I guess she could have two Valentines. You know Rapaire, someone has to tell you that asking your Mom to be your Valentine is just a little bit weird. It's kinda like wearing oedipal underwear...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 09:01 AM

Mom, will you be my Valentine?

Nobody else has asked you yet, and I'll give you a big box of obscenely shaped chocolate truffles.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:16 PM

Here's the coolest one.


And here is the rockingest one.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 09:27 PM

And Chongo and Shane, or at least Officer Dana. (Isn't that her name?)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM

Not me, no. But your host of imaginary playmates might.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 06:26 PM

You mean you're getting jealous of Sam?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 06:23 PM

Hey, watch out their or your OTHER figments will start getting jealous.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 03:30 PM

Well, as you may know "Mark Twain" was only a pen name. His real name was Samuel "Drink 'em up!" Clemens. He got his nickname from his carousing in The Eagle, a disreputable saloon and "house" on the Hannibal riverfront. Sam and his brothers and I used to go in there to play pool; we'd have a beer or two, play a little eight-ball, and then Sam liquor would hit Sam and he'd yell "Drink 'em up!" After a few more beers he'd go talk with the young ladies who roomed upstairs, and when they'd finished their discussions he'd come back down and pass out under the pool table. We'd drag ol' Sam out and up to his house and leave him on the front porch, or if he were working back to the boat he was piloting. In the latter case we only rarely dropped him in the river by accident. But I can tell you this: as much as he drank his book should have been called "Life IN The Mississippi" and not "On."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:39 PM

When he got stoned they used to call him High Mucky Muck.

He is a repeating figure in Rapaire's fantasies, along with Billy Bob Shazxpeer and Ernie "Da Bool!" Hemingway.

And you, and me.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:58 PM

Marky Mark?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:41 PM

TwoMarks County?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:37 PM

I have never heard of Mister Country, but I am sure he is a very nice man, if you say so.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:26 PM

Yes, well, I'm just a shy and modest kid from Mark Twain Country. He was another shy and modest guy who wrote a couple of books that had some little local success. You probably never heard of him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:48 AM

A while back I posted the wrong link, leading to a McCain mash-up.

What I really MEANT to say is: Rapaire is so Kewl, he makes me feel

Fired Up!! and Ready to Go!



Sorry for the error. Click the slogan for some soul.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:06 AM

Wow, that's innerestin'. My job involves NOT knowing all kinds of stuff. Longer I am in it, the more stuff I find to unknow. It builds up and establishes a kind of job security.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 09:21 AM

Just ask me. I'm a liberryan and I gotta know stuff for my job.


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