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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 05:01 PM

Is that there Yakawara-contortionist-five-dimensional thingie like the Missionary Position or the Jersey City Seven-Way Twist or the Hoboken Hobbler or the Memphis Mobius or something? 'Cause if it is there are some folks up at the Legion Hovel who'd be interested. Just pure scholarly and academic interest of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 03:30 PM

Quite so -- one man's flavor is another man's multi-dimensional contortion.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 01:46 PM

As the abstract clearly demonstrated, there is no accounting for taste.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 01:31 PM

I think it's a shame that woman was arrested just for performing an act her husband would have wanted. It just goes to show, ya gotta get it in writing.

I can just imagine the scene in front of their estate planning and financial affairs lawyer, discussing what he should put in his Last Will and Testament.

"Tinfoil? Are you sure, sir?"


LOL


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 12:26 PM

Rank billy goat

pickled peckers?

and it looks like the Mudcat Tavern ain't the nly place that has non-hhuman clientele


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 12:14 PM

I hear ya, MM -- and as for five-dimensional Yukawa coupling, I have never mastered it. I hear it is something you have to be born into, as it were, like a taste for Chinese fried grasshoppers. Amateurs and foreigners who have ventured to the Yukawa tribal lands to learn it are usually reported to have seriously injured themselves, if they report back at all. I understand it is the fifth dimensional rotation that really cooks it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:19 AM

I've never really cared for diagonal flavouring myself. It just seems to be skewed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:17 AM

In other news, a well-known physics head Roni Harnik, who explores the dynamicsof parallel universes for fun, has ths abstract:

"The observed flavor structure of the standard model arises naturally in "split fermion" models which localize fermions at different places in an extra dimension. It has, until now, been assumed that the bulk masses for such fermions can be chosen to be flavor diagonal simultaneously at every point in the extra dimension, with all the flavor violation coming from the Yukawa couplings to the
Higgs.
We consider the more natural possibility in which the bulk masses cannot be simultaneously diagonalized, that is, that they are twisted in flavor space. We show that, in general, this does not
disturb the natural generation of hierarchies in the flavor parameters. Moreover, it is conceivable that all the flavor mixing and CP-violation in the standard model may come only from twisting,
with the five-dimensional Yukawa couplings taken to be universal."

I just think that is SO elegant.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:10 AM

That's the influence of the Legion. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:40 AM

wait a second - let me get this right.


Your library not only has a registerd brand....




but is licensed to kill?!?!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:19 AM

Not at my place they don't! They're estimated into our overall budget -- seems like in Idaho moneys designated for libraries MUST be spent on libraries and cannot be spent otherwise. In fact, the city can't even tell us how to spend the money raised for the library as long as it's spent legally (and ethically and doesn't embarass the city). In effect I have a large bag of money under my desk to spend as I wish and the library fines and fees all go into it.

Very soon we'll be taking credit and debit cards. THAT money will go directly into our account at the city (the city does act as our fiscal agent), but again, it must be spent for library matters.

This is Idaho state law.

And just as a point of interest, all library money deposited with the city is put into accounts prefaced with the numbers --













007.

Yep. Shaken not stirred. The name is Bond, James Bond. We're the city's 007 accounts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:46 AM

Library folks are very interesting people! Mom knows that! Why do you think she has all of us still visit our local library every couple of weeks, and gives a gentle scold if we accidently keep our books or movies too long? (I say gentle, because she used to think the fines we paid went to the library to support their work, but she has since learned that they go straight into the city general fund. For shame! For shame!)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:40 AM

Well, interesting how my request to discuss views on entanglement has resulted in us talking about Rapaire and other librarians.

Somehow it seems so natural, like...

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:35 AM

oh noooooooooo! the visuals!!!!!!

I may actually have to go wallow through the "closed threads and deleted posts" to get this one out of my mind...


*shudder*


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

Well, he worked for the San Joaquin Valley Library System before he moved for FL, following his girl friend (whom he has now married). He's one of the most knowledgeable of the Sysadmins who are at this conferenece, he likes good hoppy beer, collects knives and daggers, and he's a pretty good guy all the way around.

Now Marge, she's going around with a modified "First Time Attendee" ribbon, only she's changed "First" to "Last" because she's retiring at the end of the year.

And of course Gretchen was here and I had nice talk with her, and with Jim and Q and all sorts of folks. Why, one of them even said six or seven words to me before taking off to talk to someone he considers more important (let's just say that he has a very high opinion of himself and is working in his last job in this region -- I know of no one who considers him a) competent to be a library director and b) a decent human being).

My name badge has three ribbons on it. They read "Horizon" (the automation system we use), "Directors' Forum" and "Former Board Member" ('cause once, long ago, I was President of this mess). I could tie it around my waist and use it as a breechcloth....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:50 PM

Perhaps Amos was hoping for some "Gore-y" details about your pal, Al.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:21 PM

Carlson. You know him? He worked in your neck of the woods.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:15 PM

Al who?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:13 PM

Dear Mom,

I got my photo taken at the reception! Imagine my surprise when I arrived in stock, shirt, waistcoast, and tricorn (and trews and shoes, of course!), ready to boogey down to the minuet and the reel, only to find that the theme was the 1970s and not the 1770s! Nonetheless I had a decent time, ate some okay food, drank some good wine and beer, and now I have returned ready for an early beddy-by time.

And Mom -- Al has come out of retirement! He could only stand it for a couple of years and now he's back. He's still nuts, of course, but if you worked for 26 years in California you'd be nuts too -- and then there are those five or six years in Florida on top of it. But he's back and working in Florida again. I gave him my last Brand Cap.

Later, Mom.

Your favorite kid,
Rapaire


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:32 PM

That's just L space, it's just moving via another set of dimensions, to appear to jump between two unconnected points instantly. All you need is a big enough heap of words to distort space enough, and MOAB reached that size some time ago....

We tried beheading the King at one point, and found the alternatives were worse. So we tried Royalty mark two, who knew their place. Simple measures, such as importing a prince from somewhere good to replace the king who's rocking the boat too much, work.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:37 PM

One answer, duly tallied and somehow, not a surprise.

And you?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:29 PM

I have neither sword nor gun. Only my small pocketknife and my pen, which overcomes tyranny and makes monarchs tremble! Yea, it is written upon my pen "This Pen Beheads Kings" and on the flip side "Will Work For Money."

Librarians has long known about the imparting of information via teleportation. We know, dudes and dudettes, we know! And in your heart of hearts you know that we have always known, so you have known that you knew that we know, and that's no shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 06:40 PM

Although teleportation is associated with the science-fiction series Star Trek, no one is likely to be beamed anywhere soon.

But the achievement of Polzik's team, in collaboration with the theorist Ignacio Cirac of the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching, Germany, marks an advancement in the field of quantum information and computers, which could transmit and process information in a way that was impossible before.

"It is really about teleporting information from one site to another site. Quantum information is different from classical information in the sense that it cannot be measured. It has much higher information capacity and it cannot be eavesdropped on. The transmission of quantum information can be made unconditionally secure," said Polzik whose research is reported in the journal Nature.

Quantum computing requires manipulation of information contained in the quantum states, which include physical properties such as energy, motion and magnetic field, of the atoms.

"Creating entanglement is a very important step but there are two more steps at least to perform teleportation. We have succeeded in making all three steps -- that is entanglement, quantum measurement and quantum feedback," he added.

(CNN Science News)


I want to talk about entanglement. Here on the MOAB, as elsewhere on the 'Cat, we seem to have had a number of very significant successes at that part, but it has done nothing to improve the quality of the information involved. This may be because we are actually accessing a meta-level of informatics, tuning in through the rubric of BS to the actual multi-dimensional nature of qubit information. Or it may just be because we are a buncha dumb fucks.

What are your thoughts on this?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 02:32 PM

Hey, Shatner-boy, I jes' yam what I yam, an' dat's all what I yam. OK witchoo?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 02:29 PM

"I thinks it is"??? You been taking speech therapy from Popeye, Amos?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 02:27 PM

No, I thinks it is coffee you drink intentionally for some purpose.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:53 AM

is expresso a fast cup of coffee?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 11:39 AM

Well, in the 1770's, one could either be a revolutionary or a Loyalist. I think you just want an excuse to carry a sword and muzzle loader....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 10:15 AM

I don't suppose you'd go as a Saxon thule or thane or whatever in honor of the 1070's? But, no, they wouldn't understand. At least, dramatizing the 1770's, you're still part of our 70ses. :)


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 10:01 AM

Okay, but I think that the package will be all soggy by the time you get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 10:00 AM

pssssttttt! Rapaire! While you're there - see if you can get some expresso


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:50 AM

Yes, Amos, that's true. Something about the attractive qualities of my head for the ball. The Physics Department said something about an "ultra-dense mass" producing a greater-than-normal gravitational field, but then they got all excited and started talking in Mathematics and my momma wouldn't stand for me being around That Sort Of Language so I had to leave.

But here I am in Sin City, USA, ready to participate in the lechery, lewdness, and liquor that permeates the very air. Yes, you should be jealous, for I am unashamedly in Salt Lake City!! I'm sitting in my room at the Little America Hotel, and while I type this I'm drinking my SECOND cup of coffee! And talk about sin -- all you have to do to get an in-room coffee pot(!) is to call Housekeeping and they'll bring it to you!

Tonight I will probably have a glass of wine, too! Or beer. Or worse....

Yes, my soul is going straight to Perdition, but I figure on making a deathbed repentance.

(Tonight's party celebrates "The '70s". Since they didn't specify the century I'm wearing a waistcoast, stock, and tricorn hat. My wife wouldn't let me wrap myself in a sheet and go as if it were 70.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 08:09 AM

I've just got star trek gimcracks -


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 10:02 PM

Don't look now, but the Google ad is for the "William Shatner DVD Club."

Quick, I have to run for the bathroom, I think I'm going to barf. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:51 PM

...by the Boy's Softball Team.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:34 PM

I was called "The Great Attractor" back in my college days.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:31 PM

http://www.physorg.com/preview79094343.html raises the interesting question of where the real Great Attractor is in the universe. There's a map.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 05:28 PM

Don't be silly. At that kind of distance, it would need to be at least an apple pie to show up...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:37 PM

just think of how that data could have been messed up if someone on
Aldeberon II-D (the fourth planet of the 2nd member of the Aldeberon binary system) put a cup of hot cocoa on their back porch to cool off!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:27 PM

. . . an audible gasp was heard from the audience as the set of accumulated data points was placed on top of the expected blackbody spectrum---the fit between data and theory was that good.

Now that's exciting stuff!

I've enjoyed hearing about this year's prize winners. Good science going on.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:10 PM

Amos - given some of the people I've met doing ren-faire; I found Rap's post emminently believable. (Is that the phrasaeology I want?)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:08 PM

Rapaire:

I DID read your post about vagrant pimps and itinerant physicists but I found it unbelievable.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:02 PM

The human side of science is revealed in this poignant tale of cosmological insight:

"At a press conference at the APS
April meeting in 1992 COBE speakers, including Smoot and Mather,
announced the discovery of variations at the level of parts per
hundred thousand against an overall average temperature of 2.7 K
(http://www.aip.org/pnu/1992/split/pnu077-1.htm ).

The microwave background is in effect the biggest thing we can see
(indeed it spreads out across the whole sky), the farthest-out thing
we can map, and the furthest-back in time. COBE was the first to
measure the variations and the first to provide a really precise
average temperature for the universe, 2.726 K

(http://www.aip.org/pnu/1993/split/pnu109-1.htm).

At the American Astronomical Society meeting where the this temperature was reported, an audible gasp was heard from the audience as the set of accumulated data points was placed on top of the expected blackbody spectrum---the fit between data and theory was that good. The COBE work represented a feat of great experimental science since the faint variations in the temperature of the distant CMB had to be measured against a foreground cloud of microwave radiation coming from our solar system, our galaxy, and other celestial objects.

Furthermore, the motion of Earth around the sun, the sun around the
Milky Way, and the Milky Way within our local cluster of galaxies
also had to be taken into account. "


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:58 AM

Because, oh non-reading one, if William Shatner: actor is also William Shatner: vagrant pimp, he COULD be a member of the Idaho Legion.

If someone can send me DNA samples from William Shatner: actor (preferably from the core material of his own teeth) I can have them compared to the DNA of William Shatner: vagrant pimp and solve this mystery once and perhaps for all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 10:46 AM

You're only ten from Fourteen-Three
And now it will be Nine
It's plain for all the world to see,
You're growing, Mother mine!

But please recall this ancient call,
From a BS artist true:
"Before be five be four, my friend.
Before be three, be two!"

Waldo Rimenick
Pomes I Gathered Up and Ran Away With
Vanity Press, New York, 1975


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 10:26 AM

Indeed, he is. But I fail to see what that has to do with it.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 10:07 AM

Is he also a vagrant pimp?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:37 AM

It's the wearing of many hats that accounts for the spreading of his nether regions, I suppose.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:03 AM

Does his toupee tape ever stick to his hats?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:50 PM

Shatner is multitalented. He is a man who wears many hats.


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