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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

Rapparee 10 Jan 04 - 07:46 PM
Amos 10 Jan 04 - 11:06 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 10 Jan 04 - 10:30 AM
Rapparee 09 Jan 04 - 01:05 PM
Amos 09 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM
Rapparee 09 Jan 04 - 09:52 AM
Amos 09 Jan 04 - 09:17 AM
Rapparee 09 Jan 04 - 08:39 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 09 Jan 04 - 12:12 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 09 Jan 04 - 12:04 AM
khandu 08 Jan 04 - 11:47 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:39 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:31 PM
khandu 08 Jan 04 - 11:27 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:03 PM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 10:56 PM
Rustic Rebel 08 Jan 04 - 10:49 PM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 10:44 PM
GUEST,Mr Bill himself 08 Jan 04 - 10:28 PM
Tweed 08 Jan 04 - 09:45 PM
Tweed 08 Jan 04 - 09:33 PM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 08:28 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 08 Jan 04 - 07:27 PM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 06:12 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 04 - 06:03 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 12:16 PM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,MMario 08 Jan 04 - 11:49 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:43 AM
Rapparee 08 Jan 04 - 11:24 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:08 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 10:44 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 09:02 AM
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Amos 07 Jan 04 - 10:05 PM
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Little Hawk 07 Jan 04 - 06:45 PM
Rapparee 07 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM
Amos 07 Jan 04 - 03:00 PM
Amos 07 Jan 04 - 02:39 PM
Rapparee 07 Jan 04 - 01:52 PM
Amos 07 Jan 04 - 12:11 PM
Rapparee 07 Jan 04 - 08:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 07:46 PM

Precisely. Which is why we no longer deck the halls with boughs of holly. Nasty stuff, holly. Mistletoe, now, is another matter. Or mint. But "deck the halls with boughs of mistletoe" or "deck the halls with juleps of mint" doesn't fit the meter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 11:06 AM

Ah, the Anarchy bit accounts for eating the Fudge Quibble, then. You can count on those sorta folks to eat their decorations.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 10:30 AM

The letter "S" is proud to present today's installment in the infamous LIST...

SOLAR HEATING!

Passive solar heating is usually accomplished by building a structure in such a way that the southern side is largely glass to allow sunlight in during winter months when the sun is low in the southern sky (at least in the northern hemisphere). Massive walls, earthen berms or barrels of water inside the building are warmed by the incoming sun and radiate the stored heat back out at night. The same berms etc. help cool the building in warm months by absorbing heat from the room atmosphere.

I had planned on building a passive solar-heated house when we moved to the country ten years ago. The little cabin we live in was supposed to be a temporary domicile which would be turned into a workshop after the main house was built. Hah! "The best laid plans of mice and men..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 01:05 PM

I'm a Rational Neo-Liberally Conservative Proto-Anarchist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM

A man who would eat his own decorations -- even allowing for the single malt -- is a man to be reckoned on indeed!! Eat a Fudge Quibble, the first ever awarded in Mudcat history!?! Are you sure you're not a Republican? :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 09:52 AM

"He's much too young to have earned that decor his oen self!!"

Hah! According to the Profiles, I'm older than you are, Amos. And I'm older than Bee-Dubya-Ell, too. And from the photos I've seen, older than Khandu hisself! Y'all are just l'il ole kiddies compared to me! Why, they even wrote two songs about me!

Besides, the FQ isn't around my next any more. I got hungry last night and ate it, washed down with a quart of 16-year-old single malt Irish whiskey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 09:17 AM

I think we need to chastise Rapaire for that Fudge Quibble he's wearing around his neck!! Nerve of him!! He's much too young to have earned that decor his oen self!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 08:39 AM

Well, if MMario posted what he posted and it was the truth or even approaching the truth, then by the very fact that it was posted here would just plain suck all the truth outa it and replace it with BS.

And if it wasn't the truth, then it belonged here anyway, 'cause you can't put truth into a post anymore than you can put the air back into a flat tire (or something like that).

For example, if I was to post something like "We present a quantum system composed of infinitely many particles, subject to a non quadratic Hamiltonian, for which it is possible to investigate the long time behavior of the dynamics and its ergodic properties. We do so both for the KMS states and for a large class of locally normal invariant states, whose very existence is already of some interest" I'd probably get smacked with a very dead carp, and deservedly so, 'cause something like THAT belongs HERE and not at the fancy-smancy website where I found it.

But if I was to post something like "Back home when I was growin' up, our babies teethed on guns. Ya see, a nice woman, married with a baby, one afternoon saw a drifter approaching her house. She knew he would bother her something fierce for food and take advantage of her. So she took out her husband's gun, only she found that it weren't loaded. Jest then, that drifter walked right in the door without knocking or nothing. So the woman dropped the empty gun into the crib and tried to fend him off. That drifter was all set to take every bite of food the little lady had prepared for her husband's dinner, and give her a hard time to boot. But he happened to glance into the crib, and saw the woman's little feller jest gumming away at the handle of that ol' .45. Well that drifter turned pale and high-tailed it out of there, 'cause he didn't cotton to stayin' in a place where the babies teeth on guns." Now that sorta thing obviously is full of truth and such, but simply by associating with MOAB nobody's gonna believe it and all the truth is sucked out.

So either way, y'all can't chastise MMario for his post. But heck, like my momma used to say when she chastised us kids, he probably did something deservin' of it and if *I* don't know what it is, HE does, so chastise away!

"You find a tree and I'll git a rope
Honey, honey,
You find a tree and I'll git a rope
Babe, babe..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 12:12 AM

Tweed does not imitate Art, though Tweed does know Art. Well, Tweed doesn't really know Art. Not in the Biblical sense anyway. I guess. I don't know for sure. I guess he could. Aw, hell, why not? They're both consenting adults and whatever they do in the privacy of their own boudoirs is none of my business.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 12:04 AM

YEEHAW!!!!!!

Hot damn! A good ol' fashioned chastisin'! Oh boy! Kin we sell tickets? I jus' love a good chastisin'.

Quick! Grab the net before the sumbitch gets away. No, dammit! Not that one! The crazy old fucker with the beard!

Leave me alone, you little bastards! Every time I try to have a little fun you purple-talking little shits come around with your damned nets and Thorazine.

GO AWAY!!!!


Now see what you did? You only pissed the old fucker off. Next time bring the Goddamned tranquilizer gun! Jesus! What a buncha fuckups!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:47 PM

Would it be "life imitating art" or "art imitating Life"?
Is Tweed "Life" or is he "Art"?

Or could it be something more ethereal? Perhaps, diabolical?

methinks therefore meam.

DAMMIT...I'M STILL CONFUSED!!!!

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:39 PM

Khandu:

You were right, and I was wrong. Just this once. I meant Tweed, not Bobert. When Bobert writes like that, is he imitating Tweed? Or does Tweed write like that to imitate Bobert?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:31 PM

BWL,

Ye're clearly suffering from an advanced case of Misdirected Modifier. What is Robotic is that which Welds, find its controls by benefit of a series of carefully coded values for X, Y and Z axes translated through motion control devices. NOT that which is welded which can be anything from skittles to Flexible Flyers.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: khandu
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:27 PM

Amos, did you say "Bobert"? Do you not mean "Tweed"?
I certainly understand how you could get them confused...wait...they were already confused...you didn't get them confused! Now you've got me confused!

I was wondering...was what mmario said BS? If not, then he wrongly posted it here & must be publicly chastised!

Anyone here up to some good old chastising?

We haven't had any good chastising for a long time!

Hmmmmm...do you have to be chaste to chastise?

I was chaste once.

Konto Khandak (uh...dammit, Tweed! I mean...)

Kk


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:03 PM

Rapaire:

For consistency above and beyond the tolerance of normal sanity in the evasion of response, the alteration of topic, the twisting of trails and the avoidance of confession; for demonstrating High Merit in the Perpetuation of Non-Closure by Shifting Unrelenting and Alterations Without Cess; you are hereby awarded the Mudcat's First Award:

The Fudge Quibble


Bobert:

Ya gotta READ the thread er ya won' UNNDERSTAN what is developing.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:56 PM

So, ya wanna know Q, eh? So look at what my friend Susan has fer ya.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:49 PM

What do you expect from Q?

There is a quality to a Q that is quite quaint.
It's quintessence will quell a quetzel.
It's quiddity will quiet a Quintilian.
It's quip will quake an aspen.
It's quack will qualify a duck.

I'm not trying to be quarrelsome or a quibbler but I have chosen a quest to quash the statement-"What do you expect from Q?" (*note the quotation marks) and Bee-dubya-ell, you being a quinquagenarian, you should have more respect for the Q, be quixotic, quiver in delight, and quench the lips with a quartern.
Alas, with great quandary,and with qualm, I now will quit!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:44 PM

Tweed, Amos awarded me the Fudge Quibble in a post of 11:43 a.m., January 8, 2004.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,Mr Bill himself
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:28 PM

I know you're probably all wondering why I didn't drop in on the last hundredth post on this thread...

Well...I'm busy. What can I say? I've got places to go, people to meet, conventions to host, legions of deranged fans to deal with...I'm sure you can imagine.

The fact is, I forgot all about your silly thread. But I remembered it tonight, so here I am, boldly going where most famous people wouldn't bother to. Why? I guess I'm just a nice guy.

If you're lucky I'll drop in again in about 50 or so posts from now.

Mr Bill

p.s. Why not stop wasting your time here and buy one of my TekWars novels for a change?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Tweed
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:45 PM

And whar the hell is the insaniac Konto Khandak gone off to? He is not here for a whiel and that is a liddle more than troubling to myself at least. He shouldn't be left by his lonesome fer long or some real crazy shit starts happing.

Khardax?? Come on home now boy!...you habv been negecking yore kingly duties here and some obv them is digesting away from true BS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Tweed
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:33 PM

Gude save thar BeeDubs! Robotic weldin' machines...Excement fodder fer more BS then you culd scrape off on the liddle irn dachsund thet sets on the back porch obv Aint Ruby's house. It had a sorta ridge on hiz back and were heabvy enouf to set thar real still wilst a person scrape the Bullshit, pigshit,and horseshit from yore boots fore goin' into her kitchen fer coffee an eggs. He were a sorta robot I reckon az he wass maid from iron but didnt' weld much that I culd ever see.
But I digress.....per usual..carry on you french dudes. An' rapier, whudthe hail does FQ stand for? I confess I am not an librarian by no means and habv no understanding of these degrees thet you all sport so proudly....but ef you waz really proud I reckon thet you'd all write out whut sorta degree you axshully habv instead obv modestly abbeverating them, right? Okay, on we go....
Yerz,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 08:28 PM

I'm not at all certain that we were anywhere near the verge. Or the verger. Or the sexton, for that matter.

Rapaire, FQ


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 07:27 PM

To prevent our getting any closer to the verge, we present tonight's installment in THE LIST:

ROBOTIC WELDING MACHINES

Why do they have to make special machines just to weld robots? Won't regular ol' TIG and MIG welders work? Somethin' about the metals robots are made of maybe?

Oh!Oh!Oh!!!! I've got it! It's like that robot from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" - the Klatoo Barada Nikto guy! Anyway, he was made out of the same metal as the spaceship and it was no metal that had been seen on Earth before. No wonder they had to come up with special welders.

Speaking of robots and such, rumor has it that there's a major Allen invasion taking place in the next few days.

I certainly hope this post helps move us away from that verge and back toward the true path of BS.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 06:12 PM

The verge might also be at the bottom, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 06:03 PM

Methinks you have nowhere left to fall...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:16 PM

Verging is still in bounds, MM, and after all, brinkmanship makes the richest BS! We haven't fallen yet!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:14 PM

Thank you, Amos, for this high and distinguished honor. Words cannot express my feelings at this moment, but I want to thank all of the little people who made this moment possible: Oberon, Titania, Puck, Peaseblossom and the whole gang -- you know who you are!

In keeping with the humility of which I'm so proud, I shan't add the letters "FQ" after my name. I will continue to be the same shy, retiring, modest kid from the great Midwest I have always been.

Thank you again, Amos. My may is dade.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:49 AM

Gentlemen - may I point out you are once again vergeing on the point of lacking BS content - which is against the better principles of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:43 AM

Sir Rapaire:

For consistency above and beyond the tolerance of normal sanity in the evasion of response, the alteration of topic, the twisting of trails and the avoidance of confession; for demonstrating High Merit in the Perpetuation of Non-Closure by Shifting Unrelenting and Alterations Without Cess; you are hereby awarded the Mudcat's First Award:

The Fudge Quibble



for services Above and Beyond the Call of BS.

We are all very proud of you. Congratulations!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:24 AM

Amos, did I ever tell you about my Breton lay? Back in my misspent youth there was this lovely young lady hyght Isault....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:08 AM

God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
    - Voltaire (1694-1778)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:44 AM

Ode tew Rapaire of Bee Ess, Kinge



Above all thing thow doth bee ess,   
And foolest the world one tew all;
Who lakythe the, all joy, pardé,   
Wyll sone then frome hym ffall!   
In every place thow makyste foules,   
Gret joye, spoorte, and uelfare;
When troth ys knowne, comfort ys none,   
But thowght, sorowe, and care.   
In kynges corte, where bee ess dothe route,   
Yt makyth the galandes to jett,
And for to were gorgeouse ther gere,
Ther cappes awry to sett.   
In the heyweyes ther joly palfreys   
Yt makyght to lepe and praunce,
It maket justynges, pleys, dysguysynges,   
Ladys to synge and daunce.   
For he that alway maketh bee ess   
Stondyth a mated chere,
Can never wel syng, lang daunce nor springe,   
Nor make no lusty chere.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:02 AM


Ac herkneth, lordinges that ben trewe,   
Ichil you telle of "Sir Orfewe."
***Orfeo*** mest of ani thing    (emphasis supplied)
Lovede the gle of harping.   


Of, Rapaire, you BSer!! LOL!!   

"I will tell you of Sir Orfeo.
Orfeo, more than anything,
Loved the joy of harp-music."

This is a middle-Breton lay named after the hero Sir Orfeo who is a hero, not a cookie!!

You beguile your readers most unseemly!! Did you do this to enquiring school-children?

Fie, sirrah!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:01 AM

Oh, the poem dates from between 1330 and 1340 -- call it 1335. Its roots are found in the Greek story of Orpheus, who attempted to rescue his wife from Hades, only to look back and lose her forever.

That story is, of course, symbolic of an addiction (wife = addiction + his desire to be "clean", a classic dichotomy) to sweets (wife also = "sweet thing") and Orpheus's vain attempt to overcome it. His descent into Hades (the hell of his addiction), his permission to free his "wife" on the condition that he never look back (at his addiction), his failure to fulfill the condition (i.e., backsliding), and his failure to overcome his addiction and to kick his habit.

This is, of course, a very, very quick summary of the reality underlying both the ur-poem and the poem quoted. To fully understand the ur-poem, you must read it in the original Attic Greek, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 11:29 PM

Bee-dubya, shouldn't you also say something about cristobalite inversion as well? And some source stated unequivocally that quartz inversion occurs as 1063 degrees F., while another said 1064 degrees! Don't they KNOW? Or does it vary with, say, altitude?

As for you Oreo doubters, consider this excerpt:

"We redeth oft and findeth y-write,   
And this clerkes wele it wite,
Layes that ben in harping
Ben y-founde of ferli thing:
Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo,
And sum of joie and mirthe also,
And sum of trecherie and of gile,
Of old aventours that fel while;
And sum of bourdes and ribaudy,
And mani ther beth of fairy.   
Of al thinges that men seth,   
Mest o love, forsothe, they beth.
In Breteyne this layes were wrought,   
First y-founde and forth y-brought,
Of aventours that fel bi dayes,
Wherof Bretouns maked her layes.
When kinges might our y-here   
Of ani mervailes that ther were,
Thai token an harp in gle and game
And maked a lay and gaf it name.
Now of this aventours that weren y-falle
Y can tel sum, ac nought alle.
Ac herkneth, lordinges that ben trewe,   
Ichil you telle of "Sir Orfewe."
***Orfeo*** mest of ani thing    (emphasis supplied)
Lovede the gle of harping.   
Siker was everi gode harpour
Of him to have miche honour.
Himself he lerned forto harp,   
And leyd theron his wittes scharp;
He lerned so ther nothing was   
A better harpour in no plas."

Spelling wasn't a big thing Way Back When. What was then spelled Orfewe, Orfeo, and other variants is today spelled "Oreo." And this is extracted from a much longer poem (which can be supplied upon demand) in which "Orfewe" or "Orfeo" is symbolic of what we today think of as "Oreo."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 10:05 PM

Rap, you're fudging and quibbling!! (Which by the way suggests a good name for a NEW Nabisco cookie -- Fudge Quibbles). You are the undisputed master of research tours de force, so if there is some evidence of Oreos being used to name haggis, you had better start touring de force tout de suite!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:10 PM

Tonight's previously untouched, pristine and virginal BS topic....

QUARTZ INVERSION

Quartz inversion is something that is of concern only to potters and other fools that like to turn clay into rock by heating it to extremely high temperature. Clay is composed mainly of silica and alumina. Silica, or silicon dioxide, undergoes a change in crystalline structure at 1063 degrees F when it changes from "alpha quartz" to "beta quartz". This change can cause pots to crack or deform if it occurs too rapidly. So, smart potters always fire with a slow temperature increase during the 1050 to 1100 degree temperature range.

Yeah, it's not a very interesting subject, but whaddaya expect for "Q"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:45 PM

That is merely a vague assertion. Prove that they DID exist back then or retire behind your portcullis and admit defeat!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:16 PM

Don't prove they didn't have Oreos back then, just shows when they were patented/trademarked. "Oreo" could have been an old name for dried haggis or something.

Nope, 's not proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 03:00 PM

And from the "Final Word on Dogmatic Factual Compendia of Food History", the following:

Oreos
According to the records of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Oreo brand cookies were introduced to the American public by the National Biscuit Company (now Nabisco) on March 6, 1912. It is registration #0093009. Nabisco is now owned by Kraft Foods.

"On April 2, 1912, the company's [National Biscuit Company] operations department announced to its managers and sales agents that it was preparing "to offer to the trade...three entirely new varieties of the highest calss biscuit in a new style...The three varieties of biscuit...will be known as the Trio. "The varieties comprising the Trio' are as follows, namely: Oreo Biscuit--two beautifully embossed chocolate-flavored wafers with a rich cream fillling at 30 cents per pound. Mother Goose Biscuit--a rich, high class biscuit bearing impressions of the Mother Goose legends at 20 cents per pound. Veronese Biscuit--delicious, hard sweet biscuit of beautiful design and high quality at 20 cents per pound. This Trio is an exciting innovation, and we are quite sure it will immediately appeal to public favor...

...two members of the trio most lavishy promoted in the inital announcement have since disappeared. But the third, Oreo, was evidently just the kind of cookie the American consuming public wanted. Somewnat similar to a previous product named "Bouquet," the Oreo consisted of two firm chocoalte cookies with rich vanilla frosting in the middle. The first Oreos were slightly larger than today's product, but always round. Within a short time Oreo, which resembled an English biscuit, became a fantastically good seller among NBC sweet goods...The origin of the name is nto really known, although one possibility is that it came from the Greek oreo, meaning hill or mountain. Supposedly, either in testing or when the product was first produced, it was shaped like a baseball mound or hill-hence, an oreo. This has a certain validity in view of A.W. Green's [company executive] tendency toward classical names. Oreo was officially registered in 1913 as "Oreo Biscuit." By 1921 it had become "Oreo Sandwich" and by 1948 "Oreo Creme Sandwich." Variations have been tried--a vanilla Oreo, a single-cracker Oreo, and in th e1920s a lemon-filled Oreo was introduced. The size has undergone changes, too. Today's is about midway between the largest and the smallest. Through all shifts in public preferences, Oreo has remained one of the nation's most consistent favorites. As frequently happens with popular products, there are people who fancy that they contributed to is creation. An Oreo admirer once wrote to the company "During the early 1920's you have a contest offering a cash reward for a suitable name for this particualr cookie. I entered this contest and submitted the name Oreo. Time passed, I learned or heard nothing concerning the matter, so gave it no further thought until this past Sunday night....If you will kindly check your records concerning the said contest, I am sure that in them you will find I am the one who submitted the trade name, Oreo." The company answered, "We think that you must be confused about the origin of the trademark Oreo. It was not originated as the result of a contest in the early 1920's or at any other time. It was originated by our advertising department, and first used on March 6, 1912."
---Out of the Cracker Barrel: From Animal Crackers to ZuZu's, William Cahn [Simon & Schuster:New York] 1969 (p. 142-4)


Proof is as proof does, eh?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:39 PM

Oreo



In 1912, two chocolate-flavored wafers with a rich cream filling called the Oreo biscuit became an immediate hit with consumers - and over the decades grew to be a food icon. During the product's first 90 years, people around the world have enjoyed more than 450 billion Oreo cookies.

For almost 50 years the Oreo cookie remained fundamentally the same, but brand extensions began to emerge. In the mid 1970s, Oreo Double Stuf cookies were introduced. The 1980s saw an expansion into the frozen snack category with Oreo brand Cookies 'N Cream ice cream. Additional brand extensions such as Mint Creme Oreo and Fudge Covered Oreo were introduced in the 1980s.

In 1991, Oreo launched Mini Oreo cookies. Also in the 1990s, the company launched cookies with creme fillings in seasonal colors, such as orange for Halloween, red for Christmas and blue for spring. In addition, Oreo O's cereal was introduced in the late 1990s.

Over the years, the brand also evolved beyond the cookie and candy category. Oreo expanded into a dessert line with Oreo Cookie Pie Crust. And Oreo Cookies & Creme Pie and Oreo Brownies were introduced as foodservice items.

In 2001, Chocolate Creme Oreo and Chocolate Creme Mini Oreo were introduced. By 2002, Mini Oreo cookies came in a variety of package styles, including an eight-ounce, resealable, stand-up bag for convenient and portable snacking.

(from the authoritative "History Of Oreos and Oreology".

You are steering a dangerous course, Sir -- the line is most fine that divideth BS from Fraude! Stay, I pray you, lest you give convenient and portable snacking a mortal blow to the reputation!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 01:52 PM

"But I know they had no Oreos in the 11th century. So you can't fool me!"

You have made an assertion, and I call upon you to prove it!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 12:11 PM

Well, that was as fine a fanciful Pharte as ever one man made to presente to another, I declare. A cloud of purest Odour of Bulle.

But I know they had no Oreos in the 11th century. So you can't fool me!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 08:04 AM

Out here there's been a drought for the last five years. As a result, the Baptists are sprinklin', the Methodists use a damp cloth, and the Presbyterians are givin' rain checks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 07:12 PM

Now that we've left the foodstuffs behind, we find our list of not-previously-BS'ed-about subjects in the midst of the letter "P" and just about ready to discuss...

PRESBYTERIANISM

The difference between Presbyterianism and other Protestant Christian denominations is more organizational than theological. On one extreme, there are denominations such as the Episcopal (Anglican) Church whose organizational hierarchy is highly structured with a definite, almost military, chain of command. On the other extreme, Congregational churches are independent bodies in which all decision-making is performed on the single-church level. Presbyterianism sits between the two extremes by vesting governing power in an elected assembly or "presbytery" which exercises control over, yet is answerable to, individual churches. Sort of like the religious equivalent of representative democracy.

From a theological standpoint, there is wide divergence among Presbyterian congregations. Some are very liberal and some are downright Calvinistic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:42 PM

Amos, living as I know you do in a benighted area, librarywise, I have at great trouble and expensive prepared the Bludynez Manuscript for HTML posting. So here it is:


Ye Bludynez Manuscript or Palimpsest

on making ye defense et attacke.
Know that I, Simon of Rottinham, do yis dai put penne to papre and committ to riting all that I hast lernt of
defense et attacke during mi long and honirable careere in ye military armes. I do yis so yt ye info might not be lost to
the ken of mortal menne nor or mortal womenne eiyer. By doing yis I hast made it so yt ye-all will not have to
reinvente ye wheele, so to speake.


Know ye yt ye best defense ist ye good ofense, and take up to live as best as ye can to my stile of life, as e’en my gud wyfe doy say, Ye art ye most offensif wight who ne’er wiped shoen before y-comin in from ye mud and slyme of ye
barnyard. And yen she doth hitteth me with ye spyder, ye pot, ye skyllet, and ye pan. Learn that e’en being ye best
ofensif doth no always prevail, e’en tho’ ‘tis said to be ye best defens.


And take ye oeroes, and grind them fyne, and mix with 2 parts of oereos so ground 3 parts of sand and wette ye same wiy bullock’s blud sufficient, and ye wals made with yis most excellente siment or mortyr will withstand ye trebuchet,
ye oranger, ye mining, ye 175 mm goone howitzere and wilt, if mixes aright, e’en turn thy M1A1 tanke of Abrams.


And best for ye defensee when confronted by ye force superiore too one’s own, is to droppeth thy breeches, grasp thy ankles with thy handes, right to right and left to left, and laboring ahard at it, swingeth betwen thy own legges, and
kisseth thy arse goodby. Rember, yo, yat yere be no dishonour in running to fight another daye.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 04:43 PM

Rapaire, I take back all the nice things I ever said about you. You asshole!! ROTFLMAO!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 12:41 PM

Well, the Bludynez Manuscript is quite old. Maybe some folks were ahead of their time. The Manuscript was dated by the most scientific means, utilizing internal evidence such as spelling and grammar, paper watermarks ("Eaton Bond") and comparison with other manual Royal typewriters. All of the evidence clearly points to composition "a long time ago, maybe in the late 1960s" or a couple of years earlier.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 09:52 AM

ye cannonne gonne 175mm howitzerre.



Isn't there some sort of anachronism here? It don't seem right that some medievalist sapper or stonemason is gonna go around measuring cannonne gonnes as 175 mm howitzer, somehow. Millimeters? Narrrrr. Say it ain't so and admit what you done, Rap.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 09:38 AM

But if you do that, you can't use them as morter to lay bricks.

There's an old recipe for mortar for storework, such as is used in castles and such:

Of sande, 3 partes
Of oereos well crusheed, 7 partes
wette wit the blud offe an oxenne until weel wetted and then use as you would any mortyr for stonnnes. Twil withstant the fury of ye trebuchette, ye oranger, ye minning, et ye cannonne gonne 175mm howitzerre.

This is from the Bludynez Manuscript, which is found in many public libraries throught Idaho and Maine.


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