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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:50 AM

It's possible She is listed there, but *I* certainly am not about to ask her.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:48 AM

I assume you do not mean the D. Easby mentioned in "Pedigrees of English Short-horn bulls, to which American Short-horns trace (1874)". There's not a lot available of any coherent sort under that handle.

Pray, explicate.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:45 AM

D. Easby.

Explanation enough?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:38 AM

The WHAT??? 'SPlain yourself Loozy!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:19 AM

They are quite sure they're right. If 999 people disagree with them, it just gives them the delight of knowing that they are "in the know" and are surrounded by others who are not in the know

Also known as the "DEasby Principle"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 11:12 PM

(chuckle)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 10:22 PM

A fizzy metaphysick, a dose more than a trickle
To remedy a violent rash of thoughts meta-fiZICKle.
And get yon Little Hawk out of
His ponderous Meta-Pickle!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 10:19 PM

LH, you need a dose of meta-physic, and be sure to call a doctor in the morning. (A Ph.D.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 09:03 PM

Amos, anyone can arbitrarily divide the Universe in two just by seeing it that way. He may not convince anyone else, but he will be convinced himself, and that is all most people need, isn't it? ;-) They are quite sure they're right. If 999 people disagree with them, it just gives them the delight of knowing that they are "in the know" and are surrounded by others who are not in the know...a very special and delectable role for any ego to find itself in. There's nothing quite so exclusive as knowing what others don't know, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 08:53 PM

"totally "good" would be too nauseating for words"

Actually, no, it wouldn't. It would be marvelous. But it would not be typical of this dimension of existence which appears to be founded in duality. Given duality, one comes up with all kinds of notions about good and evil.

If one were existing in a dimension of single Unity, however, (rather like a hologram where every least part contains the totality...then I think it would be safe to see that it would be "all good" to use that common expression, because nothign would be divided from, and thus potentially against, something else.

I have read much about enlightenment, and it seems to have a great deal to do with a unitive consciousness which sees everything as One. Such a consciousness does not divided separate things into "good" and "evil". It sees one Unity and experiences peace and joy.

You won't find that here. You won't find it in discussions here. No chance....because all the people who ARE discussing here imagine that they are separate from everyone else around them. As long as they do imagine it that way, that is what they experience. Separation.

And what is the infamous "original sin"? I would assert that it is the belief in separation. Separation not only from "God", but also from everything else and everyone else. Out of that arises all the trouble and sorrow in our lives upon this planet (or wherever we take that attitude when we leave this planet).

"Totally good", Stilly, IS the true nature of existence as far as I'm concerned, and it's wonderful, but I would not expect to convince anyone of it! ;-D No more than I would expect to convince all the fools in the world who are presently robbing, killing, stealing, raping, and fighting wars that there is indeed a better and happier way.

They do it because they believe in separation, and nothing can convince them otherwise. They might as well be blind, deaf, and dumb, as well as insane.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 07:13 PM

That cvould be kinda cool, tho' - we could get gluon to help build a wormhole bridge between the two halves of the universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 04:34 PM

Moooooooom!!!!!

Rapaire wants to cut the universe in two!! Tell him to quit it!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 04:14 PM

Please do not make rash assertions until you have actually cut the Universe in two.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 04:08 PM

But if you cut a planaria in two it will grow into two planaria which have the same learning memories as the first planaria.

Have you considered that the Universe As We Know It might simply BE a planaria?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 03:43 PM

I left to go drink with Martin Buber, a much better philosopher, in my opinion. And my opinion is, obviously all that counts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 01:43 PM

PLaria, too, are One. Even Socrates knew that.

You should go back and apologize for walking out on his Dialogue, Rapaire.



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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 12:53 PM

God and Evil are One. Examine either, contemplating its facets, and you will Understand. Planaria, on the other hand, were/are the subject of "The Worm Runners Digest."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 01:18 AM

I don't even want to click on that photo. I know what planaria look like. We disected them in 9th grade, and I have them (sometimes) turn up in the mulch, stuck to plastic bags from the Big Box store. They kill earthworms. They're simple creatures, hammer-headed ugly worms.

What was I going to post about? Oh. Good and Evil. Binaries are always a problem. It would suggest that there are only two answers to any given question. I believe in the sliding scale that allows for portions of "good" and "evil" to be present in different amounts. You'll never be rid of "evil," and totally "good" would be too nauseating for words.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 01:00 AM

See how you both avoid the question, generating obsessive scenarios with wild abandon in order to find other frameworks, other contexts, other subtextss, anything at all to avoid simply Being and Communicating?

This is the greta made small by avoidance, and the many shown to be the Few iin understanding.


And you say I am distracted. You smarmy hypocritical ponderasts.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:31 PM

You'd better watch it or I'll beat my cilia on your ventral dermis till you beg for mercy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:15 PM

Because you have not yet become a Grasshopper in Understanding. If you do not understand Planaria, this will help you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:08 PM

That's big of you. ;-) But why are you calling me "Planaria"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM

Ah, Planaria, you have exhibited the first dim glimmer of Understanding The True Purpose.

If you can progress and not be trapped in samsara you may, after a hundred lifetimes, find yet another dim glimmer.

I congratulate you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:52 PM

(laughing and rolling my eyes here...)

Rapaire, you are the sort of deity that could drive a man to drink and a woman to the nunnery, but you are right about one thing: Amos is distracted.

Indeed, I think it is his defining characteristic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:33 PM

A great Teacher was walking down the road with two students. They had not eaten for three days when an old woman offered them some cold stew. She had no wood to make a fire and heat it, and the Teacher gently refused the kind offer. The two students did not and ate greedily.

They continued on their journey and afer a li or two one of the students said, "I feel that I will be ill" and vomited the stew into his bowl. Immediately the other did the same.

The Teacher took the bowls, pulled out his spoon, and ate the contents of both bowls. "I knew," he said, "that if I were patient I should have a warm meal."

That koan contains the answer to your question, if only you can understand it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:12 PM

Tell us, Oh Enlightened One, what is the meaning of "George."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:04 PM

There is no "Problem of Good and Evil." That is a byway which I created to fog your minds, to distract you from the True Path. Amos, for example, is completely distracted. Indeed, anyone who knows him agrees that he is "distracted" and consider it a polite understatement.

But what you consider, in your feeble minds, to be "good" is not the opposite of "evil" anymore than "white" is the opposite of "black" or "dark" the opposite of "light". You must embrace The All in Total before you can hope to understand, and everyone who has tried (save for Yeshua of Nazareth, Siddhārtha Gautama, Kali Bhavatarini, Mor-Ríoghain, and me) has had their head explode in the attempt. Messy. Brains all OVER the place. Except of course for Sam Socrates; he drank hemlockade instead (green, not purple). Sam wasn't the brightest flower in the garden, if he had been a wheel one side would have been flat. He couldn't get his head around something as simple as Existence vs. Essence. Many's the time I've heard him when he was "in his cups" bemoaning the lack of Essence in his life. And he couldn't even handle a foil, much less a sabre or an epee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 09:05 PM

Well said, LH.    Thing is, most people don't recognize the concepts of good and evil as decisions. They see them as "ordained" by supreme beings. Taboos are important to the survival of the individual, the tribe, the species, the earth. Everything has costs as well as benefits, including taboos. The paradox around taboos is that one the one hand, some of them outlive their usefulness, and on the other, they may be perceived to have outlived their usefulness, but in fact have not, i.e., at the present time, whatever that present time may be, it appears to a significant number of people within a tribe or culture that the costs of the taboo outweigh the benefits. The problem is that very long-term costs and benefits are hidden from the immediacy of the present.


Or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 08:48 PM

A dachshund just crapped in my yard right beside my newly planted herb garden. Fortunately, it appeared to have been constipated.

Still, We are not amused.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 08:37 PM

They are viewpoints from a given perspective. We decide what is "good" or "evil" from our perspective. There are a few things that we can almost all agree on...most of the time. Upon those few things we have founded our basic legal codes and notions of morality...both in our religions and our secular laws. Still, it remains rather subjective, depending on circumstance and viewpoint.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 08:36 PM

Damn, damn, damn - and double damn on top of that.

I am a creature of habit.

I broke the chain of my reading glasses yesterday when it tangled in the handle of some garden tool or other. I keep forgetting the glasses are now free to run amok at will, take them off, let go, and *clunk* on the ground or floor.

At least they haven't busted yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 08:31 PM

Useful constructs. At least, usually useful.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 05:33 PM

Ah. And what are "good" and "evil"? Ultimately, I mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 05:25 PM

Is it possible, Socrates asked, for a good mind to promote an evil idea?

I cannot say it is, replied Rapaire. For a good mind would by its nature reject an evil idea.

But, replied Socrates, is it not possible for a mind to be misled as to the nature of an idea? And if it were misled, would it not then be reasonable to allow that a good mind could promote an evil idea?

Well, said Rapaire after some thought, it seems to me that a mind that is so misled by an evil idea into accepting it as a good one is either not a mind at all, or not good.

Ah, brilliantly riposted,m good Rapaire, answered Socrates. But when you say such a mind as that of which we speak is either not a mind or not good, do you mean that it is not practically good in the sense of being efficient, effective and skillful? Or do you mean that it is not inherently virtuous and of the right ethical oritentation?

Socrates, replied Rapaire, I hope you will forgive me, but I have a fencing appointment and can not spend the time I would like to in tussling with these deep issues with you, much as I enjoy the practice. I would say, in brief, that either failure in goodness--the goodness of skill or the goodness of virtue--could account for the same phenomenon, and in fact it is possible that it is a failure in skill that makes good minds go bad. And now, Socrates, I must say farewell, for the fellows at the Fencing Club will be looking for me, and wondering if I have abandoned them. And that would definitely not be good.

SO Socrates bid Rapaire farewell, and sat in the declining Athenian sunlight of a Spring afternoon, bathed in the perfume of olives and the Mediterranean sea-air, and pondered on the great wisdom that Rapaire had provided him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 04:05 PM

Oops. Can't get there from here. I started it to the Battle Hymn of the Republic but there's an extra line and I have to fudge a couple of words. (Now get that out of yer ear).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 04:00 PM

The Battle Cry of Garden Gnomes
(Tune: Roddy McCorley) 
{Click to play

Arise ye sons of stone and plaster! 
For victory is at hand! 
Cast off your lawns and ga-ardens! 
Where the foe has made you stand! 
Your shackles to unfeeling men 
At last, at last, throw down! 
And join the call for Freedom, 
For every Garden Gnome! 

What, stand ye there in apathy, 
When Freedom stirs the land? 
The call is heard on ev'ry side, 
And still you stilly stand! 
Rise up, rise up, you frozen men 
And dance the dance of Freedom bright, 
For every Garden Gnome! 


The trumpet's call has faded fast, 
And freedom's light grown cold 
And still you stand while all the world 
Cries out for action bold! 
And stand ye still, no hand to raise! 
No hero fierce stands tall, 
All frozen in your fear are ye, 
By cruel stone enthralled. 

Alack, farewell, you useless stone! 
No more I shall aspire ;
To call you to brave liberty 
With words of fight and fire,
I turn my heart to Flamingoes fair, 
Poor slaves of kitschy homes,
And never more will call upon
You ugly Garden Gnomes!





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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:45 PM

Ah, a fine auld favorite. There's a great parody of it in the Song Challenge about a favorite hen in Finchingfield that got offed by someone. Here 'tis. Not quite up to the original, but ya gotta keep plugging.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:17 PM

I'm U-tubing this afternoon, listening to lots of songs to shake one out of my head that I've heard a few too many times in the last week. Ear worms are insidious things. :)

Nell Flaherty's Drake is a good one for starters.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:07 PM

Or waggling an epée at his eponym.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:04 PM

So you're resorting to shaking a speare at William?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 01:46 PM

There's more BS in the world, Horatio, than in all your geneaology!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:15 AM

It's looking more and more like what I had feared...

But perhaps this musclebound chimp/man that Shatner has possibly fathered will go on to star in some future edition of Star Trek!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:08 AM

The look of a proud papa, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:48 PM

Chinga?


It would seem there is some credence to the rumors. . Bill looks a little hot and bothered to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:47 PM

Little Hawk:

Well, I understand. Shatner has been with you for a long, long time, through times when everyone else seemed to just abandon you. So it is right you should be loyal to him and defend his reality. Perfectly understandable.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:44 PM

A sleeping wino busted by a toy dino. Truth IS stranger than fiction.

Janie, motrin and a hot shower might help.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM

Yes, they notice more and more senior moments on his part....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:29 PM

I hope you didn't take that personally. It was their way of respectfully acknowledging your seniority...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:29 PM

Hurray for Kota!

Did more physical work today than I have done in a year. Gonna pay for it too - but not until Monday.

Just got back from a lovely evening with Dani and two other friends at a local tapas bar.





I'm still hungry.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:14 PM

Well, Mom, I just got back from work.

Seems like the alarms went off and I was called because a) I'm the director and b) my name is on the call list.

There were three (3) cops there, two patrolmen and a sergeant. We went into the building and found that Kota hadn't been turned off, had somehow "awakened" and his shaking head had set off the motion alarms. Then, as the two patrolmen were sweeping the second floor, the sergeant and I noticed that someone had unrolled a sleeping bag and was sleeping amidst the shrubbery in front of the atrium window.

He had a bit of a surprise when he was awakened by three cops and hauled away -- he had, it seems, taken a bit of drink.

Anyway, the cops said it wasn't often that they responded to a call regarding a dinosaur.


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