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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 06:37 PM

The following from a discussion on Usenet some time ago:

"I can trace the quotation to Blaise Pascal, and a similar quote to St.
Augustine: however, the quotation supposedly goes as far back as the
time of Cicero. Can anyone identify the source?

"Je N'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir
de la faire plus courte.--I have only made this letter rather long
because I have not had time to make it shorter." Pascal. Lettres
provinciales, 16, Dec.14,1656. Cassell's Book of Quotations,
London,1912. P.718.

Most people would say that Blaise Pascal coined the phrase; however, in
a 1991 post in the Humanist Archives, Jim Marchand says the quote goes
back at least to the time of Cicero:

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 91 19:44:02 CST
From: (James Marchand)
Subject: long letter

We had a posting in French some time back on the question of the
sentence: I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote a
long one. As is usual with such quotations, attribution is a problem,
because of what Merton called "the palimpsesting syndrome." In Der
grosse Duden, vol. 2 "Stilwoerterbuch," 1963, p. 14 one reads: "Der
junge Goethe schreibt ein- mal an seine Schwester: 'Da ich keine Zeit
habe, Dir einen kurzen Brief zu schreiben, schreibe ich Dir einen
langen,' ein Gedanke, den er uebri- gens bei Cicero aufgelesen hat." So
the saying goes back at least as far as Cicero, definitely earlier than
Pascal. Where Cicero got it nemo scit.......... Jim Marchand
.............................................

Using a German online dictionary, I was able to decipher that Goethe
wrote a letter to his sister that was similar to Pascal's letter. Der
grosse Duden, a German-English book of quotations published in the 1960s
(?), dates the quotation to the time of Cicero, but does it provide a
source for the quotation?

While I can't go back as far as Cicero, and don't have access to Der
grosse Duden, I can cite a similar quote from St. Augustine (A.D 400):

Letter LIV. to His Beloved Son, Januarius, Augustin Sends Greeting in
the Lord:

"In regard to the questions which you have asked me, I would like to
have known what your own answers would have been; for thus I might have
made my reply in fewer words, and might most easily confirm or correct
your opinions, by approving or amending the answers which you had given.
This I would have greatly preferred. But desiring to answer you at once,
I think it better to write a long letter than incur loss of time....."

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-01/npnf1-01-23.htm

Until a scholar can identify the quote to the days of Cicero, I would
credit Pascal (love his Thoughts) with originating the quote. Although
St. Augustine's quote is similar, his excuse for the length of the
letter is based more on lack of information than on lack of time or
thought.

In researching this challenge, I came across an offshoot of Pascal's
quote that was also contained in Cassell's Book of Quotations (p.376):

"Not that the story need be long, but it will take a long while to make
it short." Thoreau. Letter to a Friend.

Jerry Morris"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 06:28 PM

Attoboy!!!



Researchers in Italy have created the shortest light pulse yet-a
single isolated burst of extreme-ultraviolet light that lasts for
only 130 attoseconds (billionths of a billionth of a second).
Shining this ultrashort light pulse on atoms and molecules can
reveal new details of their inner workings--providing benefits to
fundamental science as well as potential industrial applications
such as better controlling chemical reactions. Working at Italy's
National Laboratory for Ultrafast and Ultraintense Optical Science
in Milan (as well as laboratories in Padua and Naples), the
researchers believe that their current technique will allow them to
create even shorter pulses well below 100 attoseconds.
In previous experiments, longer pulses, in the higher hundreds of
attoseconds, have been created. The general process for this
experiment is the same. An intense infrared laser strikes a jet of
gas (usually argon or neon). The laser's powerful electric fields
rock the electrons back and forth, causing them to release a train
of attosecond pulses consisting of high-energy photons (extreme
ultraviolet in this experiment). Creating a single isolated
attosecond pulse, rather than a train of them, is more complex. To
do this, the researchers employ their previously developed technique
for delivering intense short (5 femtosecond) laser pulses to an
argon gas target. They use additional optical techniques (including
the frequency comb that was a subject of the 2005 Nobel Prize in
Physics) for creating and shaping a single attosecond pulse.

You Can Be a Lensman!!



A Princeton group led by Evgenii Narimanov will discuss a newly
emerging optical design known as a "far-field hyperlens." The
hyperlens aims to increase light's abilities to image and magnify
submicroscopic objects such as the components of biological cells.
The lens is built with metamaterials, composite objects usually made
from nanometer-scale arrays of rods and ring-shaped structures. It
can project an image relatively far away (therefore making it
"far-field"). The cylindrical shape of the hyperlens can collect
components of the light waves that in a conventional lens would be
lost. This helps the hyperlens capture details smaller than the
wavelength of the illuminating light. In addition to such
"subwavelength imaging," the hyperlens' cylindrical geometry enables
it to magnify an object's image.
The Princeton group theoretically proposed the hyperlens (Jacob,
Alekseyev, Narimanov, Optics Express, Vol. 14, Issue 18, pp.
8247-8256, September 2006), and six months later it was demonstrated
experimentally (see, for example, Science, 315, 1686, 23 March
2007). Nader Engheta's lab at the University of Pennsylvania has
also proposed a device, called a "metamaterial crystal lens,"
essentially equivalent to the hyperlens (Physical Review B 74,
075103, 2006). According to Princeton researcher Zubin Jacob, the
initial prospects for the hyperlens are very promising, for
applications ranging from imaging biological objects to making
nanometer-scale circuit patterns. (Paper QTuD3 at CLEO/QUELS)

MAGNIFYING SUPERLENS RESOLVES DETAILS AS SMALL AS 70 NM
The University of Maryland's Igor Smolyaninov has presented what his
group calls a "magnifying superlens." Initially inspired by John
Pendry's "perfect lens" idea, and drawing upon the Princeton
hyperlens and U-Penn crystal lens concepts as well as Maryland's
previous work, the magnifying superlens uses alternating layers of
negative- and positive-index-of-refraction metamaterials. In
negative-refraction metamaterials, light or other electromagnetic
radiation bends in the opposite direction than it would in ordinary
matter, making it potentially very useful for focusing images. The
new device succeeds in magnifying the object while resolving details
as tiny as 70 nanometers, much smaller than the wavelength of
visible light. (Paper JMA4, CLEO/QELS; also see Smolyaninov et al.,
Science, 315, 1699-1701, 23 March 2007).



Ya gotta love these ubergeeks.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 05:54 PM

It may mean two fathoms, but it is only one Mark.

Mark Twain was famous for his pithy statements but he spent a LOT of time getting them to be pithy. This is different here. In these parts we find almost no effort at all, and thomeone will start acting pithy with you.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 May 07 - 04:18 PM

You can't have one twain. You might have one pair, or one couple, but you can't have one twain. Even Mark Twain, by definition, is two fathoms.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:34 PM

Pascal.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:24 PM

Given that Boz could spend six pages saying "it was drafty" - I would go for Charles Dickens, myself. Twain was known for pithy statements - so it doesnt make sense for him to have used it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:14 PM

Twain is the only one I find.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:08 PM

Those were the two I found as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:06 PM

citations seem to be pretty evenly split between mark Twain and charles dickens.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:04 PM

Since all the creativity, knowledge, manners, and most of the bullshit has circled the drain and ended up here in the MOAB, I will ask my question here:

Who should credit go to for the famous...

"I'm sorry for the long letter. I didn't have time to write a short one"

?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 May 07 - 01:22 PM

Yer bark is worse than yer byte, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 01:09 PM

If you guys are going to raise taxus, you can leaf me out. I am berry sure of this. Anyone trying to raise taxus on me will be torn limb from limb. They'd be better advised to just fork off.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 07 - 11:01 AM

"former fields where farmers formerly farmed, forcing alfalfa from the fertile fields. "

Shouldn't that be foliage, not alfalfa?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 08 May 07 - 10:57 AM

. . . she won't ever see the one cabin there that still has a more-or-less intact roof because it's the only cabin left. That she won't get to see the former fields where farmers formerly farmed, forcing alfalfa from the fertile fields. . . . Oh well, prizes are taxable. So you won't be taxed on the prize, thereby saving money so you can be taxed upon the money you saved.


What he neglected to mention is that this property is now used as a tree farm. They raise taxus.

Yes, I'm feeling better today, Mom. Thank yew for asking!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 07 - 10:09 AM

Amos,

I'll bet you didn't spend trillions of dollars last year- are you sure you want to get Rapaire riled up? ( Present tax law gives informants a cut of the taxes they tell about) Wasn't he looking for funding for a geosat overhead?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 10:03 AM

Rapairte, have you ever thought of making your fortune as a Bush imitator? The Rich Little of Neo-Connery?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:56 AM

All my axes live in taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:38 AM

I didn't spend a few billion dollars this year ( because I did not have it), so do I owe taxes on the amount I did not spend?


This could really hurt!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:37 AM

as if any legislature ever needed help thinking up new things to tax.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:34 AM

It's a new tax scheme:

You can save money on your taxes, so the money you save becomes taxable since it's a form of income. If you save money by buying things on sale or by using coupons or arguing a price down, the difference between the regular price and the price you paid is savings and hence taxable.

In fact, money that is not used to buy something is taxable since you saved money by not spending it. For example, let's say that this year you don't buy a US $35,000 motor vehicle. That was $35,000 you saved, so it's income and hence taxable, and it doesn't matter one bit if you only made $12,000 this year, you still owe on the $35,000 you saved by not buying that vehicle.

Of course, if you DO buy it you'll pay sales tax and property tax and licensing fees and, of course, tax on the income you made so you could afford the purchase.

Oh, this is beautiful! I really MUST tell my legislators about it!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:25 AM

Since she won't be taxed, doesn't she owe non-taxes?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:14 AM

Okay, Amos has decided that Stilly didn't win a trip to beautiful Chesterfield, Idaho. That she won't ever see the one cabin there that still has a more-or-less intact roof because it's the only cabin left. That she won't get to see the former fields where farmers formerly farmed, forcing alfalfa from the fertile fields.

But don't blame me, blame Amos. The prize was a destination, not a journey. It's all Amos's fault.

Oh well, prizes are taxable. So you won't be taxed on the prize, thereby saving money so you can be taxed upon the money you saved.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 08 May 07 - 08:33 AM

Hi Mom! I'm back! I got sunburned. But I got to meet King Henry and King Oberon and Puck and the Pucca and Queen Mab and Malificent and Queen Titania and lots of other people, including my cousin Katya's Tante Yaga (known to most people as Baba Yaga) -- she invited me to dinner. Not sure if that would be wise, given that she thinks "How to Serve Man' is a must have cookbook.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 08 May 07 - 06:42 AM

QUIET AROUND HERE, INNIT.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 08 May 07 - 01:05 AM

;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 08 May 07 - 12:28 AM

Hellacious - what a good word! I feel for you Stilly.


THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK.


Well, it looks like they have done my bit of road now, and I can actually get out. I fear I'm going to encounter road crews and stoppages further up the road though.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 May 07 - 12:08 AM

Perhaps they should print the "This Page Intentionally Left Blank" message in white ink.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 08 May 07 - 12:00 AM

Of course, by telling us it is intentionally blank, it is no longer blank, and that is intentional. So if it is intentionally not blank, then they don't need to tell us anything about it. Where did you fit into this equation, Amos?

BWL, I've had the same thought about those cones. Tripping hazard if ever I saw one.

The noise has been hellacious, Jenny. Gawdawful chippers going until way after dark and seven days a week. The neighborhood is crawling with these trucks and crews. The only spot of malicious delight was this afternoon, when conferring at the curb with two neighbors, we were pleased to learn that the old fart up the street who murders dozens of squirrels each year because they dare steal his prized backyard pecans will have huge chunks of those pecans cut out tomorrow. They're in the power lines (and have put out the lights before). :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 11:42 PM

In Mil-Speak we are trained, in writing documents, to leave a blank page if needed so that each major section starts on a right-hand page. This often means blank pages on the left-hand side. To prevent any confusion, we are also taught to center on such a blank page a statement, which of course means the page is not blank, so no-one will get bewildered about whether the blankness is intentional or some dumb accident of the kind that plagues military organizations for some hard-to-determine reason.

The page must include the statement "This Page Intentionally Left Blank".

I am not making this up. I am so glad not to be doing that sort of work anymore.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 May 07 - 11:34 PM

Hi, Mom! Sorry I missed your birthday. I was off seeking my fame and fortune. I still haven't found it. If anyone sees it, please send me a PM. I know it's not in Orlando or Birmingham, so don't bother looking there.

Anyway, I was wondering about something weird again. You've probably seen those warning cones they put in grocery store aisles that say "CAUTION! WET FLOOR!", right? So, how ironic would it be if someone were to trip over the warning cone while avoiding the wet spot? Perhaps they need another set of warning cones that say "CAUTION! WARNING CONE IN AISLE!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 07 May 07 - 11:33 PM

OOPS! (damned cat!)

Well, that was my trip for the day...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 10:17 PM

Oh, Rapaire, Rapire. Deceiving a fellow-MOABite is not to be took lightly, old fellow. Not at all. Mom is dismayed, aghast, non-plussed, dumbstruck, beweildered, and befuddled aas to what could possibly have gotten into you, and through which orifice.

You have awarded her a trip, and you must make good on it!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:41 PM

Winning the trip has nothing whatsoever to do with who pays for it. She can fly in from the ISS for all I care. She won a trip to beautiful Chesterfield, Idaho -- weren't no money involved, and not much of Chesterfield, for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:34 PM

SRS, does your Salvador Dali tableau have any accompanying noise? I guess there would have been some while they were 'trimming' your trees. Probably nothing to compare with the racket outside my door at the moment though.

I was rudely woken this morning to the din of heavy machinery. Earlier in the year, everything was chaos for weeks while huge new gas pipes were being laid. There was a promise that some time in the future they would be back to replace the temporary road patches with a new surface.

That's all very well, but the notification about it happening today only arrived in the letterbox late yesterday (with Friday's date on it), and I had collected mail earlier. So we were totally taken by surprise. My car is in the yard, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to get it out when I need to.

It's been going since about 7 this morning (it's now 11.30am). As I sit here now, there is continuous machinery noise, beeping, flashing lights, and a pneumatic drill just started up - and all just a few feet from where I am sitting.

Talk about transcendental dysfunction! AAAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:10 PM

Does it look any better than the Salvador Dali tableau that meets my gaze out all of the doors of my house? They got my back yard trees (hackberry, no loss, it is destryoing the fence and I wish they'd taken it all) and then the neighbor's trees out front. Whew, but its ugly.

Photos at 11, or whenever I get back from hauling the first load of shit crap debris clutter from Moonglow's dormatory room. She is completing her first year of college and must be out of the room by 5pm on Friday. Time flies!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:04 PM

Hold him to it, Stilly; demand a non-refundable round trip ticket, by air. Puddle jumper from Chicago, or maybe Boise...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:59 PM

I wondered who would get 17,400. Congratulations! You have won a trip to beautiful Chesterfield, Idaho.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:48 PM

After I take care of this.

17400


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:48 PM

I'll post a couple of photos of the trees later.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:46 PM

Whooosshhhh! Slam dunk by Hardly.

It did. (I should get money for offering you such a straight line!)

Now I wish I could transcend the really wierd looking world outside my front door. We thought the wind storm last Wednesday was bad, but you should see what the power company leaves behind when they come through after the fact to "trim" the trees to spec near all of the power lines. I think I know how the ants must feel on the ground after I've gone through with the weed whacker.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 07 May 07 - 12:46 PM

"This morning the dentist deadened the right jaw above and below and I look like I've had a stroke."

Picks up drool rag and heads off to take a nap to let this wear off. . .


Maybe that nap will help you transcendental dysfunction.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 12:42 PM

Geez. I can't even laugh and spit on my monitor properly. This morning the dentist deadened the right jaw above and below and I look like I've had a stroke.

Picks up drool rag and heads off to take a nap to let this wear off. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 May 07 - 12:25 PM

Machophus!
-- Finally, you CAN push that rock all the way up!



(In rare cases may cause urinary and/or bowel incontinence, hot flashes, breathing difficulty, cardiac failure or arrhythmia, off-key singing, erectile difficulties in women, and hallucinations; more frequently, death. Do not use if you are pregnant, have ever been pregnant, plan to become pregnant, or are the result of pregnancy. The effect of this medicine upon lactating men is unknown; consult your physician.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 11:32 AM

If a phoenix remains in flight for more than four hours he should consult a physician.

" I just dunno what's the matter, doc....I keep trying to rise again, like I am supposed to, but nothing happens....".

"Son, here's a prescription for some Resurrectium. Just what you need...."

Wodda concept, eh? Next thing ya know, Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK), will come out with "Wheel Free!(tm)"

("We can't break your shackles to the wheel permannetly. Only you can do that. But with Wheelfree you can experience safe, reliable transcendence for up to four hours at a time...Known side effects include disorientation, religous conversion, inability to find the body, and vanishment of the material universe...If you experience an out-of-body experience for more than four hours, you should discontinue using WheelFree and consult a metaphysician, a physician, an engineer, a game-show host, or a streetwalker, whichever comes first.")

I am so there....finally, relief from transcendental dysfunction!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 10:56 AM

Oh, that is fine indeed. I like it very much. Thanks, Jenny O!

In other news, I am happy to forward a report from the New York Times that life for Gluon is getting more interesting. It seems he is going for the gold, or else the gold is going for him, or something in between, but in any case, because its Spring, more than ever before the quark uncertainties are giving way to the fresh smell of new discovery and the rise of dicovery. This makes Gluon very happy, because he hates being undiscovered. It makes him feel quite beside himself wondering what he will be when found out.

"With huge supermagnets, RHIC accelerates beams of gold nuclei at almost the speed of light in opposite directions through two rings, each 2.4 miles around. As the nuclei collide, quarks and gluons and other basic constituents of matter are briefly liberated, and a shower of subatomic particles provides clues to their identities and energies.

These collisions approximate the first few milliseconds after what scientists postulate was the Big Bang creation of the universe 14 billion years ago. They create a fireball up to 10,000 times as hot as the sun, making a small part of Upton briefly the hottest spot in the universe. Researchers are interested in the quark-gluon plasma made up of loosened particles, the hottest and densest matter there is."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: John Hardly
Date: 07 May 07 - 10:53 AM

If a phoenix remains in flight for more than four hours he should consult a physician.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:46 AM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Spooky!

John suggested I post his song "Trainghosts". I can't find a soundbite of it unfortunately - it's a great song! It starts off with a steam train whistle, and the driving 12 string guitar accompaniment is evocative of the rhythmic beat of a steam train rolling along:

TRAINGHOSTS - © John Warner 10/10/92

Where the surf breaks by Kilcunda, there's a Ti-tree covered ridge,
Where the coal trains from Wonthaggi crossed a timber trestle bridge.
The wooden decks are rotting and there's no safe place to stand,
It's grey and weathered pilings have been grained by blowing sand.
Bass Strait's wind moans in the fencelines like a ghostly voice in pain
Like the wailing of the whistle of the westbound Melbourne train.

Chorus:
Coal from the earth, water, air and fire,
The prophet's cloud of rolling smoke forever clawing higher,
The mighty exhaust pounding as the steamer fights the grades,
Now the lines are derelict, the ghostly memory fades, the ghostly memory fades.

There's a line up to Jumbunna where the dairy cattle graze,
Bluegum sleepers lie decayed and fencelines cross the ways.
Along the great embankments rusting rails may still be seen,
But saplings grow among them and the grass is rich and green.
Once the Baldwins scaled these ranges with a pulse that shook the ground,
And they'd stall upon these gradients and their wheels scream wildly round.

The memory is haunted by the iron whistle blast,
The shouting children waving as the morning train rolls past,
The fireman glaring forward through South Gippsland's driving hail,
The jingle of the couplings and the rhythm of the rail.
Here's a rusting iron dogspike and a leaning crossing gate,
And I'm standing in the cutting, knowing that I'm years too late.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:26 AM

Up here on the hill about three or four miles from the tracks, late at night you can here the whistles of the old locomotives as they leave the old roundhouse or the depot and chug off for other places...or it could just be the wind, I guess, since the roundhouse was torn down in the 1950s and the depot is now an office building....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:59 AM

I live quite close to two train tracks, that run parallel north/south, on either side of me. It is probably a mile to one track, perhaps 3/4 to the other. In the evenings when it is quiet elsewhere I occasionally hear this little vibration in my office. My diploma (MA, English, 1999, UTA) is on the wall and it rattles when a train goes by on the nearest of the two tracks. That's the only indication--if I listen closely I can hear the train going by outside.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: JennyO
Date: 06 May 07 - 11:28 PM

Quite so, Rapaire. And this train and others like it, don't just go for little runs around the paddock - they go on trips all over NSW, and even across Australia. Until the end of last year, 3801 was managed by 3801 Limited, an organisation specially set up to maintain the engine and organise tours. I've been on it a number of times - one time I especially remember was in September 1997. I had gone to the Newcastle Jazz Festival on it, and was on my way back to the train late in the afternoon and noticed a flag at half mast - it was the day Princess Diana was killed!

3801 has now been sent back to The NSW Rail Transport Museum which also has a program of tours. 3801 Limited is still going, and still runs tours with other steam trains.

3801 was the first steam train to cross the continent from Sydney to Perth - in 1970. My uncle and aunt were on that trip. I have a video (now available in DVD) called 3801- A Legend in Steam which has my Uncle Harold being interviewed - the only footage of him that I know of. He was originally a Scot, with a lovely Scottish lilt in his voice. He liked reciting Robbie Burns poetry. He met my aunt because he was a business associate of my grandfather, who used to buy and sell heavy machinery, including locomotives. He was a lot older than my aunt, but they still had a long and happy marriage because he lived to 94!

The train is older than me!!! It has been in service since 1943, and only stopped being used regularly when steam trains were taken off the NSW railways in 1974. It came back almost straight away though as the star of a short film A Steam Train Passes. There was period of time between 1976 and 1986 when it was out of service and being restored, but since then, it has led - and still leads - a pretty exciting life.

My suburb is a few kms away from any train lines, but late at night when there is scarcely a car on our road and all is silent, I can hear the sound of distant trains, and sometimes I can hear the whistle of 3801 early in the morning. I know its whistle. In fact, on the day that 3801 Limited very reluctantly handed it back to the Rail Transport Museum - which meant it would be housed at Thirlmere instead of in Sydney, I was woken up by its whistle, and it almost seemed like it was calling me.

Yes, I'm afraid I am a sucker for the old steam trains.


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