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BS: The Mother of all BS threads

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 02:25 PM

FOr the "Weirdest Kid In Alhambra" context run by the Daughters of the American Sub-Culture.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 05:12 PM

Hey, MOM, bet you're proud of me. I just went through all those boxes of pottery and crystal that I shoved into the back closet when I moved. Set a few pieces out to finally begin personalizing this joint, then consolidated the rest to into 12 boxes - down from 27. Left enough room in that closet for me to shove more boxes in it that had been lining the walls in the spare room:*)

Question for our resident potter - why is it rarely possible to get a good price for beautiful pottery when the original purchaser runs out of room and has to dispose of some of it?

I've collected pottery for years and have kept track of the provenance of nearly all of it. I don't understand why a mass produced Roseville vase should be worth something while a beautiful piece of functional are created by an individual potter is not on the resale market. There is no point in me keeping what I don't have room to display or use, but I'll be damned if I am going to sell a $120 vase made by Joe Lung for $15 at a yard sale. (Or made by BWL for that matter - but I don't think our paths ever crossed so I don't know your work.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 06:38 PM

This is REALLY important!

NTSB report on Flight 1549

US Airways violated Federal migratory bird regulations by hunting geese with an A320 Airbus jetliner, claim anonymous government sources. The pilot of flight 1549, Air Force veteran and avid hunter Chesley B. Sullenberger, tried combining both of his interests by bagging a brace of geese over the wetlands near New York 's LaGuardia airport after takeoff, on his way to Charlotte , North Carolina .

The imported European $77 million A320 airliner is not certified for either waterfowl or upland bird hunting, so it was not surprising that the aircraft malfunctioned. When he realized that both New York and New Jersey State Game and Fish enforcement officers would soon be approaching, Captain Sullenberger unsuccessfully attempted to hide the plane in the Hudson River. The crew and 150 passengers were chilled and shaken but unhurt. Most were simply grateful to avoid spending the weekend in Charlotte .

National Transportation Safety Board inspectors rushed to the scene, and reportedly found no Duck Stamps on the downed aircraft's fuselage. Captain Sullenberger has not been charged but is being held incommunicado at an undisclosed location. PETA is urging the government to prosecute the pilot for double honkercide and poaching, and the animal rights group is expected to file a civil suit on behalf of the flock.

The two victims were undocumented aliens, according to sources close to the investigation, Canada geese who had over-stayed their visas. Their goose gang scandalized their quiet Queens community by squatting in local cemeteries and golf courses, parking on the grass, cooking strange-smelling food and throwing wild parties late into the night. Neighbors say police dogs were called out on several occasions. Such incidents have triggered a wave of anti-Canada goose sentiment, but at this time revenge or hate crime motives are not suspected in the US Airways bird bashings.

Forensic examination of the avian corpses continues, and technicians are analyzing the two cadavers under heat with chestnuts, prunes, and Armagnac. NTSB inspectors have contributed a supply of testing fluid, a 2005 Zind-Humbrecht Riesling from Alsace. We will update this story as entrees details become available.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 07:15 PM

To answer Janie's question about the variance in price between better quality mass-produced ceramics and artist-made pottery, it's all a matter of name recognition, not quality. There are very few potters (or artists of any type, for that matter) whose work is going to appreciate in value with age because nobody recognizes the artist's name. But there are a few well-known commercial ceramics makers (Fiesta Ware, for instance) that consistently appreciate in value to collectors. It has nothing to do with quality or artistry, just collectability, and collectability is a function of the marketplace, not of aesthetics.

The truth is that, for most artists, the price we get from whoever buys a piece from us is the most that piece is ever going to be worth unless we greatly increase our name recognition by becoming mass murderers or running Ponzi schemes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 07:28 PM

Let me know if you ever go on a killing spree so I can snatch up some of your inventory.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 08:31 PM

Do you REALLY want to know why they're called "KILns"?? Let's just say that he has no need to actually begin....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 08:38 PM

Did you plagiarize that nugget, Rapaire, or is it the work of your own twisted but admittedly very funny psyche?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 08:39 PM

I guess what needs to happen is I need to snatch up the inventory and then insure he gets caught after he has wreaked enough carnage to guarantee national headlines.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 08:50 PM

I know a potter who decided to increase the value of his work by "leaking" that he had full-blown AIDS and wouldn't be around much longer. He increased his prices ten-fold and was actually able to get that much. I don't know whether it was people anticipating that his pots would increase in value after his death, people feeling sorry for him, or a bit of both, but shortly after his last pot was sold his AIDS miraculously went into remission and he moved to New York City.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:11 PM

I am stricken by a revelation. A flash of insight. There are only two (possibly three) posters to this thread. The primary poster has Dissociative Identity Disorder, (formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder.) The individual has two ego-states that are aware of and not entirely separate from one another that function relatively well in the real world - SRS and MMario. Amos, Little Hawk and Rapaire are each entirely dissociated aspects of that person, aware of one another but in complete denial that they are actually the same person.   It becomes even more complex when one realizes that the likes of Chongo and Shane are fragments of the personality state that goes by the name Little Hawk. The aspect of this poster who goes by the name Rapaire also has numerous fragmented ego states, many of them quite transient. The ego state who goes by the name Amos is fairly stable and consistent, though often quite hostile or derrogatory toward certain of the other personalities. Occasionally other personality fragments briefly appear, including, but not limited to, Virginia Tam and Rustic Rebel. At this point in my revelations, I am uncertain if BWL is yet another dissociated part of the poster, or the older cousin of the poster.

I, of course, as a highly skilled and intuitive psychotherapist who first discovered what is really going on here, am the other confirmed poster.   As skilled as I am, it has taken awhile for all to be revealed, else I never would have posted to begin with. Let me say I am absolutely NOT functioning as the treating provider to thefragmented soul responsible for the vast majority of this thread.   

Besides, there is much to be learned as a participant-observer. Please continue. I'm watching.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM

I'm actually Carl Gordon Kurt Alfred BF Ivan Wiliam Freud. My friends call me "CGKABIW" for short.

My secret is out!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:34 PM

Oh, dear god. Being observed by a professional is just going to RUIN my creative impulses, I just KNOW it!! Oh, I could SPIT I am so mad.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:46 PM

BWL,

Is that true? Then the fools who paid 10-fold more got what they deserved unless they thought the intrinsic value of his art is worth it.

Regarding your earlier response, for which I thank you, I was already aware of the marketplace economics. It seems to me that hand-thrown or hand-built pottery done by a artist and master craftsman is such an organic expression of beauty, artistry, craftsmanship, and is so representative of the elements - in short - such a powerfully metaphorical art form that reflects all the elements of life on this earth, that it's intrinsic value ought, but is not, be reflected in it's resale value. Not talking appreciation in dollar value. Talking about the perception of intrinsic value. When I see and evaluate a hand-thrown vase, cassarole, sculpture or bowl, I see the elegance of form, function, and creativity in the piece. Pottery is such an organic expression of creation and creativity.

Bet you can't tell I love the stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:46 PM

At last! A reasonably accurate diagnosis! Thank you, Janie.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:55 PM

Yer welcomed, LH. I'll pm you with the address where you can send donations to support my research, if you are so inclined.

Amos, you appear to be having a petulant frenzy. Are you perhaps channelling Frank Zappa?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:05 PM

After reviewing certain posts to this thread, I retract my assertion that MMario appears to be a fairly functional aspect. He may be mild, but he is really, really, WEIRD. On the other hand, he may be a compassionate messenger from higher beings who inhabit other parts of the universe are doing their best to be patient and tolerant.

That being the case, I can't decide if it is most fortunate, or most unfortunate, that they have chosen this thread as representative of how earthlings function and what earthlings think.

Gluon led them to us. It is unclear, actually, if their primary interest is in earthlings or phreds.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:15 PM

I think Janie figured out that I was Leo's Secret Santa one year. It all comes out in the end, doesn't it? (We sent him a home-made courduroy and flannel comforter, for the couch or travel. Since we don't knit or crotchet, we had to bring the sewing machine to the task.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:35 PM

Please note Stilly's use of the "First Person Imperial", also known as the "Imperial 'We'".

During my research I found that both Emperors and Emperesses used to wee. Frederick Barbarossa, for example, used to wee. The Empress Xiaowen would wee, as would Queen "Wee are not amused" Victoria (often while thinking of the song "John Brown's Body"). Catherine the Great of Russia would wee, sometimes while sitting on the "throne."

I have thoroughly researched this and other topics. For a complete list please send a SASE and US $15.95 to cover shipping and handling. If you order NOW (oops! too late!) you can get two lists for the price on one! Remember: it chops, it slices, it dices, it ruins your clothes!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:35 PM

Your diagnosis is interesting, Janie, but I don't believe it goes far enough. It's entirely possible that there is only one actual human being who posts to the Mudcat at all. That person is Max. All other "posters" are AI constructs who've taken on "personalities" based entirely upon characters in Terry Pratchet's "Discworld" books. Have you not noticed that Amos has a startling number of personality traits in common with Rincewind the inept sorcerer? Rapaire is, of course, the Librarian ("Ook!), while I seem to channel the personality of the Luggage. Perhaps that's why you weren't able to pigeonhole my personality in your analysis. All the others imagine themselves to be "human" while I see myself as an antisocial steamer trunk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:55 PM

Hmmmm.

Tell me more....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 11:28 PM

We are WE--my kids helped choose the fabric.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:03 AM

Amos is terrific at engaging in a petulant frenzy, Janie. He surpasses most people in that regard, and that is why he does it. You have to play your strong suit if you expect to go far in this life. Most people who live near Amos feel that he hasn't gone far enough yet, though...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 08:38 AM

How can you speak with such authority, Mister Hawk, when you haven't even visited civilization for a decade?

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 08:59 AM

Southern California, home of Los Angeles and Hollywood, is civilization??????????


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 09:20 AM

So, aside from a few visitors, such as Janie and .....well, Janie; we're just talking to ourselves?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 09:31 AM

I usually do. FANTASTIC conversationalist!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 10:46 AM

Are you speaking for me?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 10:47 AM

Or am I talking to myself?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 10:55 AM

Verbatim transcript of a recent conversation with my wife:

Wife: "I thought I heard you talking with someone."

Me: "No, I must have been talking to myself."

Wife: " Oh. Well excuse me for interrupting."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:33 PM

Actually, MMario, you are speaking to yourself although the delusional nature of your disorder leads you to believe you are speaking to yourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:39 PM

Yes, "the circle is small". Why not tell us all and then all of us will know?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:51 PM

I don't know and I don't care to know, mostly because you are all creature I created. I knew Janie was going to say that because I willed her to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:52 PM

Ah. And do you know what I am about to do now? Do you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:56 PM

Yes. Be sure to thoroughly wash your hands afterward.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 01:43 PM

Sometimes that's the only person who will offer an intelligent answer.

But it is, I think, both telling and appropriate that the Mother Of BS is the one place where we should raise seriously the question of how real we-all truly are, and to whom, and in what way.

To a large degree this is the Key Question and the guiding Pole Star behind all our discussion: is we I? Or is I we? Or both? The desire to know how this works is surely the generating force behind all True BS.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 02:27 PM

Childhood's End. Teilhard de Chardin's Omega Point. McLuhan's Global Village.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 03:39 PM

Okay, now tell me what I did in the past half hour, Rapaire. In full detail. I expect proof of your omniscience.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 03:45 PM

No. It's too damned disgusting and you should be ashamed (as should my unconscious). Go to confession before you die, in your dirty underwear, by being hit by a streetcar or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: MMario
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:06 PM

And our/your subconscious lies to you/us all the time, so which of us/you are you/we suppossed to believe when we/you disagree about what you/we/they have done?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:07 PM

Humph. I am not impressed by your pathetic attempts at evasion. I am going to cease worshipping you and go back to Winona Ryder and William Shatner.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:33 PM

I knew you'd say that. Winona Ryder and William Shatner..."together"...I told you about disgusting....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:39 PM

And this year's Academey "Astaire Award" for the most impressive tap-dancing for no good reason goes to.....the envelope, please...(loud ripping sound)....that was NOT me, folks. I think it was the librarian...




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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Janie
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 12:01 AM

Nite nite, Mom. Sweet dreams. I've brought you an extra blanket as it is going to be a bit more chilly tonight.

If Max is the only poster to all of Mudcat, does that make him the Father of all BS?

Would it be accurate to say we are all his fault?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 01:09 AM

No. Because he blinked.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:17 AM

I don't remember creating Max, but I must have. There is no other explanation.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:27 AM

Well, when all other possibilities are ruled out, consider the improbable.

Or consider creating a better memory. You could have that most paradoxical of elements, a solipsist's memory bank, complete with a full record of all the creations of everyone and everything that bothers you. What power!! As any Republican knows, it is much more interesting, sportsmanlike and valuable to modify the pictures recording an event than to try and manage the event itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:52 AM

Considering that the Republicans have inhabited San Diego from before the last Ice Age to the present I think that Amos would have first-hand knowledge of that.

I, myself, me, am apolitical. I work only for the Greatest Good For the Greatest Number, as my hero Jeremy Bentham taught. If I grow up I want to be just like him -- stuffed and kept in a cabinet at University College London. That's because the nuns who taught me in grade school said that my body was a Pure Temple and I could give no higher gift than myself and so I should "save myself for marriage" but I asked my wife and she said she doesn't want me around after I die (if I do).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 12:08 PM

I think the semantic equivalence between "self" and "body" may be the fundamental bug in your system, there, old pal. There are a good many important differences. WHile the two are important system components and may be concatenated, they should not be confabulated.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 12:48 PM

You've never heard of the book "Our Bodies, Ourselves" have you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Mother of all BS threads
From: Acme
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 01:08 PM

Most of the revisions of that book are out of print.


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