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Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song

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Subject: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Barbara
Date: 08 Aug 98 - 09:38 PM

Didn't I see the words for this posted sometime in the last several months? And now I can't find them. It's an Aussie song, right? Thanks!
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 98 - 10:04 PM

yep....I posted 'em...the forum search is slow and timing out right now...I'll post the whole thread when it allows...you almost need it....(let me see if I have just the words dsomewhere..)


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 98 - 10:34 PM

well, some good soul has managed to bring up the artists & crafts thread...but there is another with info on the author...will look..


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Barbara
Date: 08 Aug 98 - 10:38 PM

You're right, the whole thread is wonderful, and as another artist/craftsperson (when I 'm not doing massage) I found it fascinating. Yes, please, what is Aussie Maple oak and cedar? or coachwood? I probably know some of the latin names, and species if that helps. I have a good friend who makes those exotic crochet hooks from cocoaboa and redheart and rosewood and ebony...
The song is on a tape by Canadians Three Strong Winds along with some other wonderful songs including Linda Allen's Weaving and Quilting. I haven't found how to get the tape in the States yet. ;P Was there some reason people didn't post the words to Fashioned in the Clay by Elmer Beal, like, does it need his permission? It's a wonderful song that I love and I'd be glad to post them if it's appropriate.
Also for a combination of crafts, there's always Tom Paxton's Willie the Weaver:
"Throw your leg over mine, Willie my weaver-o
In your arms let me twine, Willie, my dear
Weave to your heart's content, Willie my weaver-o
Weaver till your yarn is spent, Willie my dear."
As you can see, a twining of themes.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 98 - 11:02 PM

Barbara...try this link...click I have lots of info in books, but I will be out of town next week, and cant get to it right now...there are also links to Australian Govt sites on timber...pictures & everything there...here's one...click


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Barbara
Date: 09 Aug 98 - 05:52 PM

Many thanks! See the thread adding the lyrics for Weaving and Quilting.
Blessings
Barbara


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Aug 98 - 07:28 PM

G'day Barbara,

I must work out how to locate old threads that one has not 'Traced' ... then I could check out if it was me that supplied a set of words to 'The Woodturner's Love Song' - I suspect it was.

The song was written around 1978 by Phyl Lobl, a Sydney (ex-Melbourne) singer/songwriter. At the time she was trying to do a series a trades songs and had interviewed various people about their trades. When she spoke to Neil Bollingmore, a woodturner, she was impressed with the way that every piece of wood was seen immediately as a potential turned piece ... and perhaps with the fact the Neil was far more eloquent about and through wood than in normanl relationships.

Anyway, the song became a beautiful little love song, using wooden objects as a key to the wooing that didn't come easily off the tongue. Phyl tried the song out on me when I interviewed her for 'Mulga Wire' - a magazine I still edit 20 years later! Phyl valued my opinion as I was an old friend of Neil's. I valued the song even more because my father is a woodturner and can be quite taciturn (English, not US sense) so I could see a lot of Dad in the song.

You ask about the woods mentioned: Phyl has mostly used Australian timbers in the song (particularly in the original that I still have on tape from 1978). Australian timbers are very different from European and American because of aeons of separation. I don't have the scientific names all in my mind but can look them up. I have just completed a long (obsessive?) exercise in using as many apppropriate timbers as possible to make playing 'bones' so I can compare properties. If i look up the tables from that, I will have the species names - almost always different from northern hemisphere.

Australian Cedar is a relative of the Indian Toona and I think it is called 'cedrella toona' but taxonomy keeps changing as new techniques identify relationships in a way that old descriptive techniques could not!

Australian Maple is related to the South American species as we were joined to South America through Antarctica long before we parted company and South America (geologically) recently ran into North America.

In the original song, Phyl said Silky Oak but seems to say Japanese Oak in later versions. I have always sung Silky Oak, which was originally 'Grevillea robusta' from around Sydney but all that is gone and now it is a similar Queensland timber - which sells in US as 'Lacewood'.

Australian 'Coachwood' is 'Ceratopetalum apetalum' (I don't know how they get some of these names: this means "horn leafed - no leaves"!) and was an early local favourite for cabinet work.

I recently organised copies of Phyl's book and record for the wedding of Neil (after many complications over two people's lifetimes) to his childhood sweetheart and am now the intermediary in some cross-deliveries of various bits of lovely woodturning in thanks.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Barbara
Date: 09 Aug 98 - 08:33 PM

Ah, Bob, thank you for that lovely bit of history. I suspect there are a number of craftsmen whose hands speak much more eloquently than their mouths.
Using Bill's sources, I ascertained that cedar is toona australasicum,and would you know if that is related to the Chinese Toon tree?
Silky oak is Grevillea robusta and is the same as Horsetail Casuarina, a whispy pine tree looking thing, and not at all related to our N. American gnarly oaks.
The maple is either flindersia brayleana or f. pimenteliana but I could find no pictures in any of my references.
Nor have I a clue what a ceratopelatum apelatum is even related to. I guess Australia really is the other side of the world.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Aug 98 - 09:36 PM

G'day Barbara,

I looked at the original thread and I see that Bill D posted the lyrics. I wasn't sure because I have been a bit energetic in posting Australian songs and I would have been a bit surprised if I had posted that one - I would have felt I was being a but self-indulgent, but it's great to see that someone else appreciates a song about which I have such a personal feeling.

I last saw Phyl at the funeral of her husband, Geri, early this year (?) but I have been prevailed upon by the local Folk Home page, Folk Australia () to provide photographs from my early files to a picture page (Regular Features - 'The Bolton Files' ... I didn't name it!) and I have put in a picture of Phyl taken at the Town Crier Folk Club in 1971 ... mini-skirt and all!

I guess the "Chinese Toon" would be related to the Toon, which is an Indian tree ... the name is a Hindi word and it is called 'Cedrela Toona'. Early authorities thought the Australian tree was the same but modern techniques show it is a different, but closely-related, species.

Silky oak used to be Grevillea robusta but Grevillea won't grow in plantations - or even close to other grevilleas - due to pheromones which discourage competing grevilleas. The timber sold as 'Silky Oak' is a different species with a similar figure - and better stocks. It is interesting to see the name 'Horsetail Casuarina'. The Latin name 'Casuarina' refers to grevillea looking like a cassowary's tail, so horsetail is a sort of redundancy!

There are a few flindersia species called 'maple' here - purely because the Poms fancied that there was a resemblance to the European timber of that name.

Australia has lots of trees that are very distant from anything on your side of the world and some of the early namings look pretty dubious to us, today.

It is a bit like the small wallabies that I discussed with Murray in the "... Australiana Maverns" Thread. The little ones are called 'Thylogales' - "pouch-weasels" and our beautiful Rock Wallabies are called 'Petrogales' - "rock-weasels". There is nothing at all weasly about them, but this was the best trhe poor old Poms could come up with!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Aug 98 - 10:15 PM

G'day again Barbara,

I just followed Bill D's link to remind myself what the current Silky Oak species is. I got a beaut list of different trees ... all using that same name.

Silky Oak Cardwellia sublimus
Silky Oak Darlingia darlingiana
Silky Oak Darlingia ferruginea
Silky Oak Darlingia spectatissima
Silky Oak Gevuina bleasdalei
Silky Oak Grevillea hilliana
Silky Oak Grevillea robusta
Silky Oak Helicia lamingtoniana
Silky Oak Lomatia fraxinifolia
Silky Oak Macadamia whelanii
Silky Oak Orites excelsa
Silky Oak Turrillia bleasdalei

A lot of these would be only known in their immediate localities. I'm pretty sure the commercial timber that I have worked with is 'Cardwellia sublimus' and this is also exported to US as 'Lacewood', which used to be the name for the wood of the Plane Tree.

The reference to Casuarina is a bit of a furphy - casuarina is she-oak, nor silky oak. The Poms were (according to some text or dictionary I read, years back) using the term 'she' in its secondary sense of 'lesser', 'weaker' or 'paler'! Obviously this was written back before "politically correct" ruled ... and by a bloke.

I will look up 'ceratopetalum apetalum' in the Encyclopaedia Botanica when I'm next near my copy and see what family 'ceratopetalum' falls in. The most prolific Australian species od hardwoods (such as Eucalyptus) fall into the Myrtaceae family, but that covers a multitude of sins.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: LYR. REQ.: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 12 Aug 98 - 07:35 PM

G'day Barbara,

It turns out that the family of (Australian) Coachwood, 'ceratopetalum apetalum' is 'cunoniaceae' and its only other species is (New South Wales) Christmas Bush, 'ceratopetalum gummiferum' - a small bush with prolific red flowers in high summer, our Christmas.

The timber is a pale, pinkish brown, smells of 'caramel' or 'new-mown hay' when cut and has a fine, even texture. The density is roughly between mahogany and oak and it turns well. It does not like steam-bending, as I discovered when using it for curved playing 'bones'.

This timber is rare now, being used from early colonial days for cabinet-making since it is lighter and softer than most local eucalypts, typically heavier and harder than oak. The inland (dry country) eucalypts can run as heavy as twice the density of mahogany (1.2 ... even 1.3 relative density - woods that sink like a stone in water!)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: Obit: The Woodturner of the Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 04:47 AM

G'day all,

I learned today that Neil Bollingmoore - on whose character and love for fine woods and woodturning Phyl Lobl based this song - died last night.

My deepest sympathy to Liz, down in Camberra. Neil requested no fuss and funeral ... but we'll all lift a few glasses of Guinness to his memory when we get together down in Canberra for the (Australian) National Folk Festival ... next Easter.

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:14 AM

Lyrics to THE WOODTURNER'S LOVE SONG are in two threads: Songs about Artists, The Arts, and Crafts and Tree songs? esp. Celtic?.

It's also in the DT, missing its apostrophe: THE WOODTURNERS LOVE SONG.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: David Ingerson
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:39 PM

This has been among my favorite lost-love songs. I am saddened to have the death of the song's subject be the occasion of seeing this thread. But his inspiration and Phyl Lobl's skill at turning a phrase--and crafting a finely wrought extended metaphor--will live on.

David


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:25 PM

Phyl Lobl's "Woodturner's Love Song" is available, along with 22 other compositions, on her BRONZEWING compilation CD.
Her email: bronzewing@exemail.com.au


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:10 PM

G'day again,

Jim Dixon: I did know the song's words were posted in the other threads ... but the links raised by the Mudcat Search kept opening the wrong (unconnected) threads - so I put Neil's Obit into this "Lyr Req" thread, which I cold open.

(I might remark that Bill D seems to have misheard one phrase in the song. His line in the "Silky Oak" stanza:

"I'd turn you a lampstand for your light; a table tall & plain,"

should read:

"I'd turn you a lamp stand for your light, tapered tall & plain,".

That's how I have always sung it ... and I also checked Phyl's words in Songs of a Bronzewing, Phyl Lobl, Tully Publishing, Connells Point, NSW, 1991 - ISBN 0 9592904 1 9.

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Phyl's CD, mentioned above my Margret, is a good retrospective of her work - and I see that the back cover includes my photograph of Phyl ... mentioned 7 1/3 years earlier in this thread ... and taken some 34 years ago! (However ... it is cropped at guitar level - well short of the hemline of the aforementioned mini-skirt!)

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 02:07 PM

ahh..thanks, Bob...I got it 2nd hand by recording a friend singing it and then padded it on to Dick G. who recorded me singing it...it sure makes more sense that way.

...and it is always sad to hear of the passing of someone you feel a connection with...even a distant one. If he inspired such a song, he must have been good to know.

(Next years International Wood Collectors Society meeting will be held in Australia in Towoomba, northern Queensland. I hold out a 6.287% chance of getting there. It would have been nice to sing the song there.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 01:30 AM

Re Phyl Lobl' compilation CD "Bronzewing":
8 of the 23 songs included are not by Phyl (as I implied earlier) but by other excellent Australian writers such as Bob Hudson, Bernard Bolan, Dorothy Hewitt, Gary Shearston, etc).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 11:09 AM

I would really like to find the tune for this song. A dear friend of ours -- lifelong musician and woodturner -- is currently struggling through chemo and other treatment for very nasty ademo carcinoma. We've passed on the words to this song, but he needs the tune to be able to learn it.

It's in volume 28, #6 (p.26) of SingOut! which I believe is mid 1980s. I'm pretty sure I have it, but, alas, that batch of SingOut!s is buried.

Dots would be nice. Does anyone have a copy of the SingOut! sheet music they could scan and email to me?

David's blood count is too low right now (thanks to the chemo) for him to be with people, and I know he'd really like to learn the song. Music and a lot of positive thinking is what's getting him through this.

Please PM me if you can help.

Thanks!

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:35 PM

Btw, Phyl Lobl has a limited number of her songbooks available containing over 30 songs (plus a few poems).
Title: "Songs of a Bronzewing", it includes "Woodturner's Lovesong" of course.
Phyl's contact : bronzewing@exemail.com.au
Margret RoadKnight


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 09:50 PM

G'day Bat Goddess,

It would be nice for you to obtain Phyl's Songs of a Brozewing ... but I read your need as pretty well immediate!

If you PM me a suitable e-mail address, I'll forward a GIF image of my single-page "songsheet" version (Phyl's tune - same key of 'D' - but neat computer setting).

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

G'day again Bat Goddess,

Just another lead to this tune:

Phyl wrote this song in 1979 - and used the traditional tune to The Cry Look-Out Below! by the (Australian) Goldfields singer Charles Thatcher. This tune is found in most collections of Australian folk songs (... and may be a British tune The Smuggler King - or else The Pirate King ...) but is sung as the tune collected by John Meredith from both Sally Sloane and Gladys Scrivener.

This is the tune I can send to you ... if I get a PM and an e-mail address.

Regards,

Bo


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Subject: Tune Add: WOODTURNER'S LOVE SONG
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 11:04 PM

Errrr... G'day yet again Bat Goddess ...

Just in case you have the old (Alan of Australia) "No Longer Supported by Mudcat" MIDItext application, this is the tune in that format, which can be converted back to a MIDI ... if you aren't running the latest 32-bit OSs!

Anyway, it also includes an ABC format version down the bottom, which you may be able to directly read ... or convert ... or chuck at (Concertina.com ... ?) where there resides a little application to convert ABC to MIDI ... or real dots!


MIDI file: woodturn.mid


Timebase: 240


TimeSig: 4/4 24 8

Tempo: 128 (468750 microsec/crotchet)

Start

0720 1 57 080 0192 0 57 064 0048 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 62 080 0384 0 62 064 0096 1 57 080 0384 0 57 064 0096 1 66 080 0113 0 66 064 0007 1 62 080 0288 0 62 064 0072 1 66 080 0192 0 66 064 0048 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 69 080 0576 0 69 064 0264 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 61 080 0192 0 61 064 0048 1 62 080 0384 0 62 064 0096 1 57 080 0288 0 57 064 0072 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 59 080 0192 0 59 064 0048 1 59 080 0192 0 59 064 0048 1 57 080 0096 0 57 064 0024 1 61 080 0288 0 61 064 0072 1 62 080 0576 0 62 064 0264 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0168 1 62 080 0384 0 62 064 0096 1 57 080 0225 0 57 064 0135 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 66 080 0225 0 66 064 0015 1 62 080 0225 0 62 064 0015 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0168 1 69 080 0576 0 69 064 0144 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 66 080 0096 0 66 064 0024 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 61 080 0225 0 61 064 0015 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 57 080 0288 0 57 064 0072 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 59 080 0096 0 59 064 0024 1 59 080 0192 0 59 064 0048 1 59 080 0096 0 59 064 0024 1 57 080 0192 0 57 064 0048 1 61 080 0192 0 61 064 0048 1 62 080 0576 0 62 064

End


This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here


ABC format:


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Q:1/4=128

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A,8|D2DDD2E2|D4A,4|^FD3^F2G2|A7G|G2^F^FE2^C2|

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A6^F^F|G3^FE2^C2|D2D2A,3D|B,B,2B,A,2^C2|D19/4||



Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Warsaw Ed
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 12:08 AM

I had to close up the ABC Notes [no space between lines] to get Concertina to accept this.   ED
Hi Barbara and Bob!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 01:27 AM

G'day Ed

Thanks for that observation. I've never used Concertina (~.net ... ?) for ABC conversions, because I normally drop the MIDI straight into my music program ... and it can play it back - save the dots as dots - accept editing and fancying up - create formatted songsheets - &c - so I don't work from ABC.

That said, a lot of people reckon it's the best thing since sliced bread! I guess we can't nag Alan into sorting out that characteristic, since the application (created by Alan to give 'Catters a way to post tunes as MIDI) doesn't work in the latest 32-bit OSs and is no longer supported.

I will send the MIDI file to MMario ... and ask if it can be added to the words in the DT. (Say - when the words get corrected, as in my post of 22 Dec 05 - 11:10 PM, above ... ?)

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:29 AM

Thank you so much!

PM with email, etc. on its way.

David doesn't do computers at all -- and his music is "unplugged" all the way, too.

Thanks again,

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 07:11 PM

Thanks, Bob!

Got the dots -- will post them off to David soonest.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: GUEST,Helen Martin
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:58 PM

this song was recorded by a now disbanded Vancouver BC folk group called Three Strong Winds.. recently I discovered that the whole album, called "We Are Here" is available on this pay per track music site (average 10 cents each).. called Fiesta MP3..


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Woodturner's Love Song
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:17 PM

Oh...nice! I'll go look it up...thank you


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