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Subject: Witchcraft From: akenaton Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:07 PM Since giving up hope that either politics or organised religion can sort the worlds ills,iv started looking at witchcraft with its natural elements as a possible way to make us humans more sociable Does anyone know of any positive songs about witches... |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: kendall Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:09 PM We have a couple of resident witches here, they can answer you. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: Bill D Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:20 PM here is a that will lead you right to some. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: Bill D Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:22 PM and here is a correction..*grin* Google search that will lead you right to some. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: akenaton Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:40 PM Thanks for your help Bill.I was looking at some of the Wiccan pages but they seem just as crazy as the Christians.It was something more down to earth I was after...Like theres lots of songs about burning witchs ..and evil spells and all that stuff but nothing positive,as in protect ing nature and the power of the cycle...with out all the smoke and mirrors |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: Bill D Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:16 PM *grin*...well, why would you expect songs of EITHER Wiccans or Christians to be sane, logical, quiet & gentle? Songs about 'powers' tend to be about having power over something. The other kind of song, though there may be some, could get lost in the shuffle. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft From: Bert Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:26 PM Bill, Why on earth would you expect ANY songs to be to be sane, logical, quiet & gentle? I certainly don't write mine that way. |
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Subject: LYD ADD: Who were the witches From: katlaughing Date: 22 Jul 03 - 11:56 PM Here's one my girls learned when they were in grade school. It says it was copyrighted by Bonnie Lockhart in 2002, but my daughters learned it in 1984/85, so I am not sure of that. You can hear the tune for it at her website: click here. Here are the lyrics: by Bonnie Lockhart © 2002 Bonnie Lockhart chorus: Who were the witches? Where did they come from? Maybe your great, great grandmother was one. Witches were wise, wise women they say. And there's a little witch in every woman today! Witches knew all about flowers and weeds. How to use all their roots and their leaves and their seeds. When people grew weary from hard-workin' days, They made 'em feel better in so many ways. (chorus) When women had babies the witches were there To hold them and help them and give them care. Witches knew stories of how life began. Don't you wish you could be one? Well, maybe you can! (chorus) Some people thought that the witches were bad. Some people were scared of the power they had. But power to help and to heal and to care Isn't something to fear, it's a pleasure to share. (chorus) There are a few others we used to sing. I'll try to find them in a day or two. Thanks for asking, kat |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:00 AM Well, I just listened to her singing it and the tune is different from the one my girls were taught, so maybe that explains her copyright, too. She's a little too *polished* for my taste, but you at least get an idea of the song.:-) |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: darkriver Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:19 AM Kat, that song you quote reminds me. Our older son (now a teen--gulp) attended a daycare that had a musician visit once a week. Toward one Halloween, she taught the tots that witch song. We didn't think anything much about it until my wife, son, and I went down to So. Cal. to visit wife's old old friend. Friend's now married to a very militant Christian guy, and they have 3 nice kids. After dinner, their kids put on an entertainment in which they each demonstrated or performed something. Wife and self were sweating bullets, certain that our son was going to get up and sing "There's a witch in every woman..." in front of Mr Born-Again.... Didn't happen though, but until the ordeal was over we were just eyeing each other in desperation. LATER, we found it funny. doug aka darkriver |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:29 AM Whoo-boy, Doug/darkriver, that might've gotten a tad hot around there had he done so! Great story, thanks! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: akenaton Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:25 AM Thanks for the lovely wee song Kat Its just what i was thinking of. If we can get people to understand that the important thing on this planet is the natural cycle and that as individuals we are pretty insignificant,perhaps well become kinder and better people. I would be glad to get any more songs you can find Best wishes Alex. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:33 AM You're welcome and I agree with you. There is a simple round we *wemoon* used to sing, which is very beautiful: We all come from the Goddess And to her we shall return Like a drop...of ra-in Flowing to the o-o-cean There are a lot of songs on the albums of Libana, esp. their first one A Circle is Cast. They also have a songbook. Also, Mudcatter, Animaterra, directs a women's group by the same name which does a lot of similar songs. The music on their CDs is beautiful. Blessed Be, kat |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Dipsodeb Date: 23 Jul 03 - 04:27 AM Hi Akenaton great thread, and I couldn't agree with you more if the entire world population could abide by the wiccan crede of "DO WHAT THY WILL AS LONG AS IT HARMS NONE" what a better place it would be. There are many songs/chants out there that play to a wilder and older beat. Here a few chants that can easily be done in a round. The river is flowing flowing and growing the river is flowing down to the sea Mother Earth carry me your child I will always be Mother Earth carry me down to the sea ~ Building bridges between our divisions I reach out for you, and you reach out for me with all of our voices, and all of our visions brothers we can make such a sweet harmony sisters we can make such a sweet harmony ~ Cauldron of changes, feathers on the bow ark of eternity, ring around the stone we are the old people, we are the new people we are the same people wiser than before. It's difficult to imagine the beauty of the songs without tunes, but it would be easy to make up any lilting melody which would suit. If you want to PM me I can let you have more details of some other songs and the tunes to these chants if you would like..... or suggest some source material. Blessed Be ~Debs~ |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 23 Jul 03 - 06:31 AM Hey, Kat, where were you living in 84/85? Was that when you were in western MA? It's possible your kids learned the tune my friend Melanie came up with, since she liked Bonnie's words but not her tune. I personally like her tune better than Bonnie's, myself! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Noreen Date: 23 Jul 03 - 06:47 AM Burning Times (Charlie Murphy) is in the DT, unattributed. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Dipsodeb Date: 23 Jul 03 - 06:47 AM Animaterra, would love to hear your cd's is there a way I can buy them? ~Debs~ |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Micca Date: 23 Jul 03 - 07:43 AM Debs, they are wonderful, I recommend them, I have a sampler tape that I received a coupla years ago, and have since bought several CDs If it would help I can send you the sampler If you like, PM me? I am sure Animaterra can arrange something for you if you want to go straight for the CDs. Try the one with "Until the Dark time ends" on it, a Wonderful song, while not written as Pagan, has a strong resonance for many Pagans that have heard it!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: treewind Date: 23 Jul 03 - 08:57 AM I wondered how long it would be before someone came in with the suggestion of some actual pagan chants. Nigel Bourne and Seldiy Bate have recorded some good music and songs - they are both witches and their songs all have a very Pagan theme - try looking for "Esbat Music" though I can't remember if that's the label, an album title or their name as a band/duo. You'll find them.... ah Google came up with this - what could be more appropriate for this forum! '... Esbat Music, who have put "the Paganism back into Folk music ... and Folk music back into Paganism". That's what they reckon, anyway, and if the site's anything to go by, I can't wait to hear their music.' Unfortunately the Esbat Music link doesn't work, and I haven't seen them for ages. Maybe next Abbotts Bromley Horn Dance day, always a common ground for pagans and folkies. In the UK try looking for musical events at PF meetings, or wander down the high street of Glastonbury and see what you can find buried among the New-age-celtic-synthesiser-didgeridoos-and-dolphins mush... There must be some more good stuff out there somewhere. Of course, in another sense there are lots of folk songs about witches - e.g. women tricking men by enchantment, like The Broomfield Wager or The Maid on the shore - whether you think that's positive depend on which side you are on, but there's certainly no malicious intent. Well OK, the maid on the shore steals a ship full of gold, but the captain deserved that... Oh yes - just remembered - try this pagan folk singer: Pete Jennings Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Alba Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:00 AM There is a Company called Serpentine Music which sells Libana's Music under Chants and Devotional, as well as many other Pagan and Witches recordings in a few different styles. You can find them here: Click Here One of my favorites is Ruth Barrett and Cynthia Smith's CD "Heart is the only Nation" Best of wishes on your search. Brightest Blessings JD |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: open mike Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:10 AM here is the best one i remember: Dar William's The Christians and the Pagans where one line says now when christians and pagans get to gether only pumpkin pies are burning. Dar records on a record label called "razor and tie" and the owners of the label say that the only razors and ties they want in their lives are the ones in the label name. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: open mike Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:22 AM here is where you can hear a clip of Christians and Pagans off the mortal city "album" |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:22 AM There aren't any good witches. Anyone who claims otherwise is just plain wrong...hg |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:46 AM Whatever, hg! Animaterra! That's exactly where we were, Noho/Northampton and I love the tune the girls learned at South Street school. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: MAG Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:58 AM Claudia Schmidt's Beltane Boogie is a love song. Above song Kat quotes is on Nancy Schimmel's old LP by the Plum Pudding Players, if you can find it. I think Bonnie Lockheart was in the group. Linda Waterfall's Girls Night Out (We'll ride the wind tonight) is a must. I learned one of the chants above as: Cauldron of changes, Blossom of bone Ark of eternity, Hole in the stone We are the old ... |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:51 AM Nanny Ogg always sings 'A wizards staff got a knob on the end' or 'You can't bugger a hedgehog'. Is that the type of thing;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Peterr Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:01 PM A wonderful song which I've only heard Artisan perform, with a wandering melody and an almost chanted chorus Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Calle, Hinuna (?) all about the persecution of witches in the middle ages. Not cheerful, but definitely positive |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: JennyO Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:08 PM Here's a nice one. I usually gently drum while singing it: Spirit of the Wind Spirit of the Wind carry me Spirit of the Wind carry me home Spirit of the Wind carry me home to myself Spirit of the Ocean, depth of emotion Spirit of the Sea, set myself free Spirit of the Wind etc Spirit of the Rain, wash away the pain Spirit of the Storm, help me be reborn Spirit of the Wind etc Spirit of the Sun, warm light healing me Spirit of the Sky, spread my wings and fly Spirit of the Wind etc Spirit of the Earth, help me with my birth Spirit of the Land, hold me in your hand Spirit of the Wind etc Spirit of the River, blessed forgiver Spirit of the Shore, shows me more and more Spirit of the Wind carry me Spirit of the Wind carry me home Spirit of the Wind carry me home to myself. While looking on Google for these words to post I came across this website which has lots of songs and chants - as far as I can see, it is only lyrics unfortunately. Jenny |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: JennyO Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:13 PM More song lyrics here |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: treewind Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:49 PM Peterr, that's The Burning Times, already mentioned above with this link Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: lady penelope Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:15 PM I used to be in a pagan choir and we did all sorts of stuff, from Karmina Burana to Metallica! Our usual opening was Lady Spin, a round sung to the tune of "hey ho nobody at home" Lady spin your circle bright Weave your web of dark and light Earth air fire and water Bind us in one Turning Point was a favourite, I can't remember who wrote it but here's the chorus No one's slave I am no one's master No one's slave I am no one's master On my grave they will write this after I am gone And then my breath will go to the earth it lives on And then my breath will go to the earth it lives from....... Dance the mystic spiral is a good one and can be just chanted. Tread Gently is by Carolyn Hillier and is one of my favourites Carolyn Hillier is a good source altogether. Doreen Valiente put pagan Beltaine sentiment to the tune of "My delight" that's a good one to get everyone to join in on. Some one put The Celtic Blessing to music ( changing God to Goddess ) and that's really gorgeous. K. Hollands holds the copywright for the version we did. We also did The Last Leviathan Burning Times is the one that lists all the names of the Goddess. Have fun! TTFN Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:16 PM This is from Little Ticks of Time, by Matt McGinn. On listening to it in a bit more detail it's not all that positive but you could maybe just cut out the third verse, or do a Matt McGinn style parody on it and change the words (?). It has got a great sing along chorus (Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae ). Apparently he wrote this after acting in MacBeth. THE WITCHES SONG Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae If you wander near the forest On the witches you may chance In the middle o' the night they're there for necromantic dance Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae The weather must be dreer The hour must be drab The cauldron's on the fire, we will mak' our thick and slab (??) Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Frae the lizard take the leg Then unleash the dog Fling them intae boil with the carcass o' the frog Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Black spirits and white Red spirits and grey Mingle mingle mingle mingle you the tringle dae (??) Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Now the broth is brewed Now the dance is done We will follow our stomachs for the feast has just begun Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae Hi tatty tatty tatty hi come tatty tae............ |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Barry Finn Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:27 PM Susanna Martin, recorded a while back by Touchstone. The words were taken from one of the orginal Salem trial transcript & put to music by Claudine Langille (sp?) one of the groups singer's & their banjo player. It's in DT Good Luck, Barry |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Amergin Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:46 PM the problem with witchcraft is that so many so called witches are just as misinformed about their religion as are many christains.... like the so called "Burning Times" a fallacy invented by the supposed "historian" Margaret Murphy....in which she claims that millions of witches were burned during the hunts...the figure is closer to 40,000 in the 3 centuries of the hunts...and most of those 40,000 were christain.... |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:00 PM hg, how many witches do you know personally? It sure sounds like you are parroting the organized religion mantra. All hatred is based in fear, you know that from your profession. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Amos Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:06 PM Harpgirl: I doubt you can provide clear definitions of the terms you use in your last post regarding the complete absence of good witches. What do you mean, actually? A |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:33 PM which witch is which? Do you mean "wiccans"? or the Sorceress/enchantress/storybook-stereotype? or "magicuser" in general? or "someone who poisons with herbs" which is probably the actual meaning of the word translated as "witch" in the King James Bible? Besides - you are wrong - as Glinda is defined as a "good witch" in the Wizard of Oz. And you can't wish her out of existance. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Zany Mouse Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:24 PM Harpgirl: You are entitled to your belief, theory and reason and as Wiccans/Witches/etc. we will respect that. I hope you will simply respect OUR right to worship as we see fit. There are many paths to the truth. I wish you Bright Blessings and enlightment. Re: Nigel and Seldy. I haven't seen them for about 5 years now but I remember they did an albumn called something like "Pagan Easter" which I thought a very odd title, but the music worked. Re: "The river is flowing ..." there is another verse to this which is simply: "The moon - she is waxing Waxing and waning The moon - she is waiting for us to be free Mother Earth carry me, a child I will always be Mother Earth carry me, back to the sea" Blesséd be Rhiannon (Zany Mouse) |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:29 PM This is a good place to check for wemoon's CDs, many of which are pagan/wiccan/etc.: Ladyslipper Music. If you do order anything, though, if you ask our own Dick Greenhaus, of the DigiTrad Database and owner of Camsco Music, to get it for you, the Mudcat will receive a portion of your purchase price. Great songs and info, folks! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Susan of DT Date: 23 Jul 03 - 05:34 PM check out these songs in the DT: Broomfield Wager (various) Witch of the West-Mer-Lands Susanna Martin While not positive nature forces, these witches are not evil. Susanna is acused of being evil, but it is not clear that she is. And she is spunky. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: curmudgeon Date: 23 Jul 03 - 06:48 PM This is a most interesting thread. However, I must express some opposing opinions. harpgirl - I've probably known more witches than you; they are all really good people, just like all the autoharp players I know. Amergin -- Don't be so quick to condemn Murray. I find some of her theories a bit problematic, others fascinating. BTW, she never claimed to be an historian. Her field was literature, the only means by which a woman of her time could become involved in archaeology. Russell Hope Robbins, in "The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology" gives a "conservative" estimate of 200,000 persons murdered for "witchcraft" in a 200 year span. Barry and Susan of DT -- I loathed "Susannah Martin" upon first hearing. The tone, the text, the details. all condemn this innocent woman who was murdered by the Salem Theocrats. On the other hand there are songs such as "The Two Magicians," "Scarborough Fair" and "John Barleycorn." One could also work this old prayer into a song: Earth, Earth, Earth, O Mother Earth! May the All-wielder, the Everlord grant you acres a-waxing, upwards a-growing, pregnant with corn and plenteous in power, whole hosts of grain shafts and of shining plants! Blossoms of broad barley waxing of white wheat ears, harvest of the whole land. Excuse my rant -- Tom |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Zany Mouse Date: 23 Jul 03 - 06:58 PM Having another think about Pagan-type songs - can I point you in the direction of John Denver. I know he has a somewhat twee reputation, but he has written or performed songs which are very environment-caring e.g. "You Say That The Battle Is Over" There is a whole host of similar on his CDs. He seems to sing from the soul - if you know what I mean. ZM |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,amergin Date: 23 Jul 03 - 07:08 PM you mean his penis? sorry i just came back from that what do you call your thingie thread... |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Gorgeous Gary Date: 23 Jul 03 - 09:51 PM Here's a link to a list of pagan songs from the filk community. Scroll about halfway down. -- Gary |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: LadyJean Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:38 PM Mudcat has the lyrics to "The Bonny Lass of Anglesea", who always sounds like a witch to me, but a very positive witch. Then, of course there's "The Two Magicians". Try Moongate designs. They have some songbooks, or Morgan Wolfsinger, she has some wiccan songs. I once owned a record called "Witchcraft and Warhoops", that included songs about the Salem witch trials. If you find it in somebody's bargain bin for no more than twenty five cents, buy it. It isn't good, but the songs are interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: toadfrog Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:56 PM 942. Johnny Mercer and Harold Arlen(Music). That old black magic has me in it's spell.- That old black Magic that you weave so well. Those icy fingers up and down my spine. The same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine. The same old tingle that I feel inside and then the elevator starts its ride and down and down I go round and round I go like a leaf that's caught in a tide I should stay away but what can I do I hear your name and I'm aflame Aflame with such burning desire that only your kiss can put out your fire for you're the lover I have waited for the mate that fate had me created for and every time your lips meet mine darling down and down I go round and round I go in a spin, loving the spin I'm in Under that old black magic called love! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Jul 03 - 12:13 AM Ludicrous Linx, MAX, Joe, Pene????
The censorship of my attempted postings .... within this thread....are deplorable....dispicable...and VERY under-handed to the stated MC foundation of - FREE DISCUSSION - you have claimed to support!
I believe .... that you are calling ME, a guardian, into a holy-jihad...against the powers of darkness..... present within this thread.
It has been a long while.....but I will ACCEPT the gaunlet that has been tossed.
THANK YOU!@ It will be FUN!
Sincerely,
Period. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:14 AM You Say The Battle Is Over was written by my good friend, Dave (Mallett, just to set the record straight.) |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Gareth Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:53 AM Mmmmm Positive songs maybe, but arn't they all sort of recent. Is there any song existing from the "burninng times" ? Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Paul Mitchell Date: 24 Jul 03 - 08:05 AM Well, I have a C.D. full of pagan songs. If you are interested you can PM me and I'll try and work out how to MP3 one to send for a laugh. I'm not sure they are overly positive, but lots of people seem to like them. Harpgirl. I am a witch. However, I'm not very good at it, so in my case maybe you're right. Good thread! Paul |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,X Date: 24 Jul 03 - 08:07 AM The Old Straight Track is a nice song about strange things |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Peterr Date: 24 Jul 03 - 09:51 AM treewind - thanks for The Burning Times. I have only a tape but no track titles |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Dave Bryant Date: 24 Jul 03 - 10:16 AM Well there's always Stan Crowther's song The Vicar and the Frog. Tam Lin usually has a happy ending as well. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: akenaton Date: 24 Jul 03 - 02:00 PM Cool it you witches..... I see by the messages youve still got the old Hokus Pokus Going....If were going to change the world for the better weve got to be believable What we need is simple truth and no magic stuff.I think some of you get carried away by the power buzz.That makes you just as bad as the materialist creeds.But thanks for a lot of nice songs..I never thought this thread would turn out so well...Ake |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 24 Jul 03 - 02:09 PM Paul...better to admit to being a bad witch than to lie about being a good one! I am a witch. I am a very, very bad witch. I know for a fact there are no good witches. Witches are always bad. Therefore anyone who tells you they are a good witch is simply lying and probably trying to work black magic on you with lies. Also, some of them who claim to be good witches are simply self-deluded. We have a number of those here on mudcat! Beware!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: akenaton Date: 24 Jul 03 - 02:32 PM I think your being a bit paranoid Harpgirl...The witches are allowed to have their say and they dont harm anyone,,,Not like our born again leaders Bush and Blair.The organised religions have caused more death and torture(physical and mental) than witches could even think of. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,amergin Date: 24 Jul 03 - 02:41 PM harpgirl just is speaking from her arse as usual |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jul 03 - 03:47 PM hg, have you gone round the bend or what? I am a bit surprised to hear this coming from you. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:29 PM hmmmm...so you folks don't believe in bad witches? You only believe in good witches, right?????? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:38 PM Believe? How about ARE witches, with all that entails, just as someone is a Christian/Jew/Muslim, etc.? Not claiming any perfection, just ARE. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Jul 03 - 05:07 PM Have posts been deleted from this thread? I hadn't looked at it before today, but my curiosity was piqued when I saw the thread title "Positive posts about" (*not* this one, whose subject line I first suspected had been bowdlerized). Turns out it was a new thread, asking for positive songs abour lawyers, and Richard who started it off made some reference to deliberately truncating *his* subject/title so as to avoid negative responses from "fundamentalists." I immediately looked into this thread, hoping to be tittilated by a nice nasty bout of pagan vs born-again namecalling. However, there very little conflict represented here, except for a single message from Gargoyle, which hints that some of his previous postings may have been censored. If so, sorry I missed it. I would undoubtedly have disagreed with whatever may have been wiped away, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have enjoyed reading and maybe even replying. Now then: Harpgirl: What is UP with you? Do you seriously believe that you yourself are irredeemably evil? Because of some "truth" you've learned and can't ever unlearn? Perhaps you should keep an open mind and keep learning until you come around to the higher truth that everything is everything, and it's not all about you. Maybe you're just kidding. I hope so. If so, thanks for injecting some uncensored controversy. Maybe you should go to the health food store, pick up a bottle of Dr. Bronner's concentrated liquid soap, and read all the fine print -- the late Dr. B had it just about right: "All is One." |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:27 PM I had the pleasure of traveling with, and camping beside a witch at Old Songs two years in a row, and the worst thing she did was give away the Kielbasa! I enjoyed her company very much, and, she didn't turn me into a newt! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,.gargoyole Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:16 AM A gentle lulaby of my very dear mother's word.
PAXSincerely, Gargoyle |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Ross Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:32 AM Stairway to Heaven? - 180 minute disco version by the Wombles states There was a witch & she was a lovely witch Who lived in a zoo & walked with a twitch And when she drank the brew she became such a bitch She started a thread on Mudcat that reached a fever pitch FIN |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:21 AM Hey Gargoyl, how about a translation into English? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,iggy Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:33 AM I'm still computerless, and although I can read Mudcat voraciously from work I dare not post. Some things are just impossible to leave alone though. The remarks from HG and GG don't trouble me because they've been demonstrating that they're simply nutters for years, but to see so many Mudcatters whose opinions I respect take this stuff seriously is simply mind-blowing. Every major city has a group of people who've tried to escape the mundane by calling themselves witches. Back in my directionless and more naive youth I considered becoming part of a coven. I was asked if I'd be interested in going to a 'gathering of some friends' by a co-office worker. What an evening! Held in the back of an "Occult Shop" I could have easily gotten the impression that to be female and a witch you had to be quite obese and rail on endlessly about being 'burned at the stake for your wisdom' in days gone by. I heard no wisdom that night, just pyscho babble, tales from Atlantis, stories of multiple reincarnations, and in general a great deal designed to lift one out of a current morass of feeling bad about themself. I should emphasize that this wasn't a 'regular' meeting, but a 'social' one perhaps for my benefit. There were a couple of guys there, including one huge man in a FRiar Tuck robe trying to look exotic. I left at the first opportunity, claiming sickness, which wasn't totally untrue. This was just my experience, but over the years I haven't seen much to change my opinion. I apologise if I've ofended anyone, but we must be honest witnesses to what we perceive as the truth. iggy |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: The O'Meara Date: 25 Jul 03 - 12:15 PM King Arthur comes upon an unruly mob of villagers about to do in a witch. "How do you know she's a witch?" he asks the crowd. "She turned me into a toad!" One of the villagers shouts. Arthur stares at the man for a few seconds. "Well, I got better" the man says. Monty Python and the Holy Grail. O'Meara |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 25 Jul 03 - 01:18 PM so you're apologizing to me because I may be offended because you have called me "nutters" iggy, correct? Are you also apologizing to gargoyle? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: treewind Date: 25 Jul 03 - 01:59 PM Iggy - you were unlucky. Trouble is, paganism attracts even more of the misfits and weirdos of the world than folk clubs do - and that's saying something! Paganism does'nt have a creed, so you can believe what you like. So many do... Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,amergin Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:25 PM Iggy, that is not the truth of things...those people are just as misguided as many so-called christains are. And just like many people do with Christains, you are judging a whole religion by the stupidity of a few. I am no witch or anything, and I belong to a newsgroup that is predominately Wiccan...and they make fun of the very people you were describing. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:26 PM It was a newt, not a toad |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Jeri Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:33 PM I got the impression iggy was apologising to the non-nutters, and you and gargoyle had been pretty much dismissed. Bad luck iggy. Sounds like you were attending more of a "let's dress up and play occult" night than any serious Wiccaness. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:34 PM iggy, there is an old adage, "The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open." There are nuts in any organization, including all sects of organized religion. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: lady penelope Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:46 PM Akenaton, have you found any songs you like the sound of or that fulfill your criteria? As for the rest of the postings on this thread.......People are people are people whatever religion or belief system they adhere to. Now, could we get back to what we were asked in the first place? Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Zany Mouse Date: 25 Jul 03 - 03:52 PM Ah well - Witchcraft doesn't have the nickname of "Bitchcraft" for nothing! ZM |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: akenaton Date: 25 Jul 03 - 05:07 PM Lady P... Thanks for remembering this lay creature...I found some lovely songs and read messages from some lovely intellegent people..I dont think you should be too hard on each other,always remember youve all questioned the status quo and that something to feel good about,well never make the world better without getting rid of the debris left by all the religious nuts ,and asi said before the important thing is not bad witches or good witches but the eternal natural cycle which will still be here making the world go round long after weve all been forgotten..Thank you all AKE |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:42 PM Gee Jeri, do ya think? I'm still searching for a definition of WICCA from our practitioners, as a form of religion. You sound like you know something about it. Please enlighten me on the BS thread. love, harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 03 - 12:35 AM I gave the Merriam Webster online dictionary definition to you in the BS thread harpgirl, and your sleazy, condescending, tongue in cheek tone and play on words isn't escaping everyone's notice. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 26 Jul 03 - 07:44 AM Bitchcraft? Never heard that one before. SOunds like a real Christian name to me. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Jeri Date: 26 Jul 03 - 08:25 AM I actually don't sound like I know a blessed thing about it. I'm just fairly competent (most of the time) at understanding what other people write and I can usually find stuff with a search engine. Try Paganism: an exploration. On topic: The Pagan Alternative. What's the music? (Not a whole lot of music in that one.) Pagan/Folk/Earth Music Reasearch Project Pagan/Wiccan songs for Samhain? - looking for songs about holy days may yield more results than looking for general songs. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: harpgirl Date: 26 Jul 03 - 09:56 AM ..oh all right Lepus Rex, I'll stop poking fun at people who call themselves witches. It hasn't escaped my notice that you have had your fun at my expense as well! love, harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,karen Date: 26 Jul 03 - 11:00 AM I am with iggy on this one ! It is surprising how popular this thread is ! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 26 Jul 03 - 12:55 PM I'm with people whose minds are open. Remember the inquisition? the witch hunts in Salem? Wanna go back to that? I believe it was Goetha' who said "There is nothing so scary as ignorance in action." |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 26 Jul 03 - 03:06 PM that's Goethe' |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: The O'Meara Date: 27 Jul 03 - 10:55 AM OK, right, it was a newt rather than a toad. Had a geezer flash there. Back to the original topic, how about Jim Stafford's song (poem?) "Swamp Witch"? It seems simplistic, but it has several layers to it, not the least of which is the question of is she a "good" witch or a "bad" witch? "Rumors of what she'd done, and rumors of what she'd do kept folks off the track to Hattie's shack, in the back of the Black Bayou" Good stuff. O'Meara |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 27 Jul 03 - 12:59 PM It all stems from men's fear of women. Fear breeds hate. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 27 Jul 03 - 02:03 PM When one compares the harm done to millions of marginalized women accused of witchcraft over the centuries (historically, the only kind of witch which existed was a "bad" witch), and the unlikely possibility that women who claimed to be witches (the number of which must be very small indeed, considering the historic consequences of being a practicing witch) who did actual harm to others by practicing their rituals, etc. I can come to only one conclusion. That while traditional societies have always tolerated marginalized characters like witches, witch doctors, shamans, etc. those same societies also used the stereotypes of those marginalized people, who live at every society's fringes, for the occassional bloodletting on a massive scale (ie witch burning, inquisitions, wars against the colonials, the Cold War, invasions of Iraq, etc). |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:50 PM Hot Damn!
Just the reason... I persist... in being... a gargoyle
Centuries of Persecution is Grand - just isn't it?
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: JennyO Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:53 PM Very well said GUEST, and Gargoyle. Been there - done that. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Bryn Date: 28 Jul 03 - 06:44 AM Songs: Anything at all by Damh the Bard (he has a website somewhere I think) The Levellers have some nice godessy stuff - 'Elation' or 'Maid of the River'. The Bostcastle museum of witchcraft have a cd - mostly chanting and probably only available from them but worth a try if you ever head that way. There's a few interesting things on the 'wicker man' soundtrack. Trefor and Vicki Wiliams have some decidedly interesting material on their new CD 'Timeless Land' - the title track may ring bells for anyone in love with ancient landscapes, there's a song somewhat inspired by tarrot, and a superb green man song. 'The Cry of Tin' cd, (ask Tom and Barbara Brown, I got my copy from them) also has a good green man song on it and one about knockers (in mines, not breasts) Graham and Eileen Pratt's album 'lark in the clear air' has an excellent song about Merlin on it. There's also some very interesting material in the Kipling/Bellamy - the tree song. being Pagan and Folky, I've been colelcting suitable material for some time, there's a lot of it out there, not necessarily by, for or about wiccans or any other sorts of pagans, but which may well be resonant for anyone of that inclination. Jon Harvison's 'turning of the year' is excellent. That's everything I can think of off the top of my head. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Dáithí Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:48 AM Maddy Prior's "Year" is more Pagan than is obvious at first hearing , too. Bit of shape shifting,Wheel of the Year and a lot about the Hare -sacred to the Goddess..(Bryn - seen Damh play, and jammed with him at a camp last year -excellent stuff!What rock band did he used to be in back in the seventies do you know?) D (ps not a guest - but don't know how to change it!!) |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 28 Jul 03 - 02:26 PM Loreena McKennit and Maire Brennan of Clannad fame--can't beat their stuff for the pagan feel, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,bryn Date: 29 Jul 03 - 04:55 AM Regarding Damh, don't know quite simply, I saw him at the Clun Green Man festival this eyar (excellent event, totally recommend it). I envy you jamming with him, he rocks. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Dáithí Date: 29 Jul 03 - 08:52 AM Well - jamming is such a loose term ;^) Mostly i sat next to him around the campfire, with a whistle in my hand, looking lost! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: LadyJean Date: 30 Jul 03 - 12:11 AM WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THE WITCH OR THE WESTMERELANDS BEFORE!!! Unless she's the witch or the Westmorelands. I think it's by Poul Anderson. I know it's a good song, and that witch kicks butt! RE Wicca, It occurs to me to mention my first visit to a coven meeting. The witch in chief lit the sacred fire, in the sacred cauldron. The fuel for said fire was dried herbs and scented oils. I think the flames shot up four feet, and I uttered one of the most fervent prayers of my life. "Please don't let her burn the house down!" That prayer was answered. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: kendall Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:25 AM The Witch of the westmoorlands was written by Archie Fusher. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Paul Mitchell Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:35 AM Re Damh: I don't know about rock bands in the 70's (I'll try and find out) but he sure looks like that bloke from The Sweet! He used to play in a group called Spiral Castle (or was it Spiral Tap?) He produced my CD for me. Did I mention I have a CD for sale? Full of pagan songs! |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Gereg Date: 30 Jul 03 - 02:55 PM There's quite a lot of messages in this thread, and I can't say I read them all, but you might try Archie Fisher's "Witch of the Westmorelands" (at least I believe it's his), which Stan Rogers recorded on (as I recall) "Between the Breaks." Wounded knight saved by a witch. Stan Rogers' "Giant" is not witch-specific, but definitely has some of the feel of the old faiths. Dar Williams did one about the Christians and the pagans sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner that's pretty funny, reminds me of someone's experience from this thread visiting a capital-C Christian, and is mostly focussed on religious tolerance. Unfortunately, most True Believers in anything tend to write fairly preachy songs, and tend to lose their sense of humour and perspective when they sit down to write. Kipling wrote "Oak, Ash and Thorn," which has been set to music by a few pagans, but you'd have to track those down through other sources. Good luck, blessings & good faring. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Gereg again Date: 30 Jul 03 - 03:20 PM ...So okay, I've read quite a few of the messages now, and I have to say - both to those who term themselves witches and to those who insist that nobody today is a witch - the following: the use of the term 'witch' by modern Goddess-worshippers doesn't, in all probability, bear much resemblance to its use historically. We simply don't have reliable records to support or refute the idea definitely (although the records we do have tend to refute more than support the current usage by modern pagans). But it's a fairly harmless instance of reclaiming an ugly old term, just as hippies took to calling themselves 'freaks' in the late '60s. To those who want to insist that modern pagans aren't real witches, I'd like to point out that Yeshua (usually called 'Jesus') would likely have a bit of trouble recognising the religious practises of most of the people today calling themselves Christians. Like most swords, that business can cut both ways. Just for example, Yeshua is said to have enjoined his followers not to judge others... and it seems to me I've noticed a fair bit of judgemental language in this thread. On both sides of the pentagram, I might add. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: beetle cat Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:54 PM These aren't all positive... but they all involve witches: WILLIE'S LADY (Child #6) JOVIAL HUNTER (Child #18) MARRIAGE OF SIR GAWAINE (Child #31) THE LAIDLEY WORM. (Child #34) ALLISON GROSS (Child #35) THE LAIDLEY WORM OF SPINDLESTON-HEUGH (Child #36) BROOMFIELD WAGER (Child #43) LASS OF LOCH ROYALE (LORD GREGORY) (Child#76) NORTHUMBERLAND BETRAYED BY DOUGLAS (Child #176) LORD LIVINGSTON (Child #262) Does anyone know of any other child ballads about witches? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Barry Finn Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:29 AM Just rereading this post & saw Kat's song, must've missed it the first time, with the line "Maybe your great, great grandmother was one" Funny my great grandmother was a witch. She lived in Italy before coming here to the states where she had given birth to her last kid, my grandmother. My Grandmother & her brother both would never discuss their mother, at least not in front of me when confronted be my mother or one of her siblings, when it came to her odd doings but my mother & some of her siblings do & swear that she was a very powerful woman that helped out others when they came to her in need when no one else could or would help them (I often wondered that she sounded more like something out of the Godfather than the Great Grandmother). It was said (by the family elders & their friends) that in her village she was the one sent for & called by all the women during child birth so that any evil cast upon the child could be removed. As far as I've ever heard my Great Grandmother only did healing, except once when my Grandmother testified against one of her brothers. She cursed my Grandmother & I'm told that my grandmother paid dearly, costing her the same pain of being seperated from one of her own children (which did happen). Maybe the beliefs skip a generation, I've met many of my mothers friends that say she's a healer too but like my Grandmother & Granduncle I don't give it much consideration but I have seen her do some unexplainable strange things. Come to think of it my sister was a bit strange too at times when she was younger, she could always sense where spirits of those that departed tragically were lingering. But we're all a bit strange, aren't we?? Barry |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST,Cats Date: 30 Sep 08 - 08:41 AM The Museum of Witchcraft in Boscatle, Cornwall has produced an excellent cd of songs about witchcraft from a ranger of singers. It is really worth getting a copy. just google them for info. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: SINSULL Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:54 AM Love Potion Number 9? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:01 AM theres that lovely Jake Thackeray song about the three Jolly Witches. And didn't they think the widow of Brid was a witch? |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Bryn Pugh Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:30 AM IMABHO, you can't beat "Oak, Ash and Thorn", which we sing at the Midsummer Circle festivities. Wise and Blessed Be. |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: Alan Day Date: 30 Sep 08 - 11:18 AM I have written a song about The Storm Witch of Orkney it is based on a Myth/True story about 1570 Janet Forsyth . The song is from facts read in a Museum in Inverness. For the words see Storm Witch thread on this site.For the tune if interested please contact me. Al |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: GUEST Date: 28 Aug 10 - 01:00 PM Some interesting points have been made in this thread!!! John Barleycorn being a good song for this time of year also going back to an earlier post by katlaughing did you follow on from there We all come from the Goddess, And to her we shall return, Like a drop of Rain, Flowing to the Ocean, Hoof and horn Hoof and horn All that dies shall be reborn Corn and grain, Corn and grain, All that falls shall rise again We all come from th....... ?? works beautifully in cannon or as a'round' anyhow, I am looking for Nigel and seldiy's John barleycorn lyrics. I have an old recording but I am unsure of a few words so may just ad lib Bright Blessings BB Ro |
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Subject: RE: Witchcraft - positive songs about? From: katlaughing Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:10 PM Thanks, Guest. I had not heard that part! |
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