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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 03 - 05:41 PM Me, too, Mick! Max/Pene, FWIW, I don't like them in between the Music and BS thread. Just above the text box is good, though. Well...you asked.**bg** |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Dave Swan Date: 03 Oct 03 - 06:02 PM Abalooby, Max. Whatever she needs. D |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Oct 03 - 06:10 PM It's quite fun spotting the relevance or otherwise of the ad to the thread - for example right now the thread about Arnold Schwarzenegger has "Big Whistle Music". A whole new thread game... |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: GUEST,Russ Date: 03 Oct 03 - 06:28 PM Go for it. If it will help keep Mudcat alive, I'm all for it. Russ the perennial guest |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: RichM Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:01 PM Yes, do it, Max. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: mack/misophist Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:04 PM There may be some doubt about how Google is using this AdSense thing. One of the leading IT sites in England had this article. Just a warning. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: mack/misophist Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:05 PM I blew it. here |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Gareth Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:08 PM Well my only reservation would be "No Extra Spam" but Max seems to have covered that base. Mark you I see no reason why the UK based "Friends of the Mudcat" should noy continue to raise funds. My next financial statement will be posted this weekend. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: annamill Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:16 PM Go for it Max! What's Abalooby?? Love, Annamill |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Mark Clark Date: 03 Oct 03 - 07:18 PM I think the Google Ads will be fine. I'll probably be clicking some of them myself. It would be nice if the ads popped up a new window instead of reusing the window in which the ad appears. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Bill D Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:00 PM this 'may' help, but we need to read what others say...http://www.google-watch.org/gaming.html http://googledance.seochat.com/HTML-about.html |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: wysiwyg Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:17 PM Mark, you can just right-click the link, and open it in a new window. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:19 PM "It would be nice if the ads popped up a new window instead of reusing the window in which the ad appears." But in practice I imagine I'll automatically right click them to opening a new window anyway, which is just as easy. That article misophist says seems to suggest that talking too much about ways of artificially increasing the click rate could be seen as a breach of the agreement. However from the links in Bill D's post it looks as if that's just about people playing dirty tricks with computers to make it appear there are a lot more clicks than there really are. So I doubt if there's any reason to worry. Once thing - I very much hope we aren't inviting in Google in a way that could mean that posts from the Mudcat would be likely to appear in Google searches, which doesn't seem to happen up to now. And mybunderstanding is that this isn't going to happen. I'm sure that if it did it might get more people visiting Mudcat, but I think it would be a serious mistake. I think it is important for the Mudcat that most people arrive here because of an interest in folk music in the first place - it means that when things get divisive on the BS threads, there is that basis of a shared interest to hold things together. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Dave Swan Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:26 PM Hi Anna! Good to see you. It's a way an old friend would give assent to something, torturing "absolutely"...it's stupid and it's stuck to me for years. It might stick to you too. Cheers, D |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:36 PM Are the ads there now? I think I saw a couple yesterday, but I see nothing now. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: harpgirl Date: 03 Oct 03 - 08:41 PM I'm against it. I thought you said you weren't going to do this sort of thing with the mudcat? |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Bassic Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:03 PM Go to the `Welcome new `Catter el ted` thread. Say hi to ted and click on the ads there. They are about flamenco products and are NOT public service ads so must be making us come CASH!! And you make the guy feel welcome to our community in the bargain!! I have no ulterior motive in promoting this link. el Gordo "flamenco, the true path" foundation, honorry life president in chrge of Marketing and getting the time share for us to use in the Bahamas. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 03 Oct 03 - 09:08 PM I don't see any ads. And I have IE. (sorry, Bill) |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Max Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:10 PM Ah, you can always count on harpgirl. Yes Harpy, I did say I would never do this. I guess the short answer is that I changed my mind. McGrath: I noticed last month that Google was picking up stuff in the forum within days. I was astonished and pleased. I have always made the Mudcat to be a place you could find stuff that you were looking for, and from there you might find people that might just be interested in the same sort of stuff. Seems beautiful to me. The Google Bots are really amazing. I can see them come through the site in the logs. We keep em' busy here, with our million messages thousands of posts per day, and our incredible network of internal and external links. The Google brain tries to understand it and how it relates to everything else on the net, every day. Sure I'm a nerd, but I think that's pretty cool. Just checked. 14,975 impressions, 88 Clicks, $16.78. And I actually worry that if this thing is too much of a success, or more accurately the clickthrough rate is off the curve. That may put us on their radar and jeopardize our (and my) relationship with them. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Jeri Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:16 PM I don't think it works in any browser if scripting's disabled. Maybe it's something else, such as cross-site linking I've got disabled in Opera, but it doesn't work with that for me. It doesn't flash at me, it doesn't get in the way - no prob. I almost said something earlier, but thought it might be interested to see how many people who hadn't noticed the ads until told about them complained. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:22 PM Ok, now I have a couple of links just under "add to tracer." But I'm positive I didn't have them an hour ago! Actually, they are interesting, and because they are text and not pictures, they don't bother me at all. What do you mean they might put us on their radar, Max? Do you mean we might click too much, and it will be noticed and then determined to be meaningless? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Tinker Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:42 PM Got to love it. The BS thread Secrets and Lies currently has ads for At home Paternity tests and a Video Course to identify liars. Definately gave me a smile. Kathy Hope to meet all your ladies at Getaway...hint hint |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 03 - 10:49 PM POP-ups.....Google's new marketing.....Max's Experiment
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: katlaughing Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:13 AM McGrath, if I understand you correctly, postings from Mudcat can be found in a google search. Just put your Mudcat name in the google search and see what comes up. It's been that way for a long time, that I know of... So Max, should we limit ourselves to a certain number per day so keep under the radar?**bg** |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: simon-pierre Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:24 AM It's very discreet on the bottom of the threads but I don't like it between the separation of music/Bs threads... Can't it be at the bottom of the front page? Or.. (gulp) at the top? Once you scrolled down, you don't see it... |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: simon-pierre Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:26 AM PS : Of course you got my clicks... |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Max Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:31 AM Just click it when you find it interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: maire-aine Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:55 AM I think it's a fine idea. And it's fine in the middle, right where it's at. I might even find something I'm interested in. Just one thing though-- please don't let them blink. I think the rate is so high right now, because everybody is checking it out. It'll drop off after a few days. Maryanne |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:05 AM If detected topic shifts within threads cause changes (paying ads) that aren't going to appear on dynamic pages for two to three weeks, then it seems a waste of space to put them into the threads themselves. Most threads go away before two or three weeks have passed. Right now on this very page I see a small ad between the text box and the blue "Add to tracer" line. But it's public service ads, like your exerpt said they'd put on dynamic (frequently changing) pages. Rather than having people click on those for no good effect, why not leave the ads on the main mudcat.org front page and any others that don't change at all? Then people can be more certain that the ads they do click on, in the name of supporting Mudcat, will be useful? Some of the "real" ads are a tad sticky--I just clicked on a vinyl record site in Australia that was unwilling to let me use my "back" button to leave. I had to use the drop down arrow and back out by skipping their portal page. But heck, like the breast cancer fund page, I'm willing to click once a day and help support Mudcat. But wait to announce the success of this endeavor once the first check has cleared! SRS |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Linda Kelly Date: 04 Oct 03 - 05:11 AM go for it Max |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Trevor Date: 04 Oct 03 - 05:30 AM Ditto! |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Oct 03 - 06:05 AM I have seen the "Max Experimenting" line, but seen no ads - MSIE V6 latest update - Javathingies is recently switched on again, but JS often crashes for no known reason on this machine... And GOD! PLEASE! NO MORE POPUPS!!!!!! From someone who switched off JS a couple of years ago to help stop the damn things... Robin |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: John Robinson (aka Cittern) Date: 04 Oct 03 - 07:45 AM There is no such thing as a free lunch. I'm happy if it helps Mudcat. Anyone know of a better site than this? Best regards John Robinson http://www.JulieEllison.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: dermod in salisbury Date: 04 Oct 03 - 08:19 AM Useful ads are a service. Ad revenue helps make the world go round. But take care that they do not affect any public service related grants or sponsorships, tax reliefs, etc, that you may now have. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Oct 03 - 11:47 AM When I enter Mudcat into Google, up comes links to the front page and to the forum, which is fine, obviously. I haven't so far seen individual thread or links come up in response to other Google searches I've made. What I was meaning is, I like the idea that we come here because we are interested in folk music or blues or stuff like that - and then maybe we also get into arguments about gun control, or capital punishment or war and peace and politics and the best way to build a whisky still or whatever. But I'm less easy about the idea of people storming in here who have no interest in folk music at all, but just want to get into a fight about such issues. That happens on an individual basis now and then, but if it got to be a crowd I think that'd be a change for the worse. However, as I understand it, what Max is doing here with the Ads doesn't actually change the situation from what it would be if he wasn't doing it. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Midchuck Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:12 PM The adds so far seem harmless, and anything that helps fund mudcat without harming it seems like a good idea. But one of the adds mentions "accordion heaven." Isn't this an oxymoron? Peter. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Oct 03 - 12:35 PM "Welcome to accordion heaven" - I think that may be a joke reference to a song by John Kirkpatrick which contains the lines: Here's your harp -mwelcome to Heaven. Here's your acordion - welcome to Hell." (And I think the idea for the song may have come from a Gary Larson cartoon) |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:04 PM How's it looking today, Max? What is the Google feedback? SRS |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: open mike Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:13 PM these clickies are more likely to be seen above the "reply to thread" box than below as they first were, but on the opening page, where they go up and down the left margin, I'd like to see the buy mudcat cd"s box ABOVE the google boxes, not below... I presume if Camsco or folk legacy wanted to be in the program they would have to fork out bucks to google. That must be what generates the fraction of pennies per click.. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: GUEST,Peter from Essex Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:20 PM My only complaint about the ads is that I am paying Symantec good money for an ad blocker which isn't blocking them. Well, at least pop-ups are a thing of the past. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Menolly Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:23 PM I would like to add my vote in favour, as well. Menolly |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Oct 03 - 01:40 PM A suggestion: :-) Those without cookies always get the ads BEFORE they can send each post... with a nice statement... etc :-) Seeing as how the Generic GUEST names seems to have just so many, many postings - of course, they don't HAVE to click thru... but being told why they are being given more ads than those with cookies, is a useful idea anywhay... Those with cookies get them on the front page, and anywhere else Max wants, but generally fewer? Robin |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Max Date: 04 Oct 03 - 03:54 PM As per the terms of the agreement with Google, we're not allowed to tell you stats and $$ anymore, sorry. We're gonna follow the letter to the law. We took the ads off of the support page too, cause it says we can't put it on pages with only ads. This seems too good to be true, so we're not going to do anything that could screw it up. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Stephen L. Rich Date: 04 Oct 03 - 04:04 PM Sounds good to me, Max. I can run with that. Stephen Lee |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Cattail Date: 04 Oct 03 - 07:11 PM I am using windows 98 with explorer 4.0 (Yeah, I know, I know) and also have an intrusion protector continuously running, I can get on to the front page, but after clicking on a thread I get a small amount of load time and then an immediate crash, this carries the message that I.E. has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. I then have to shut the machine down and re-boot, other sites don't seem to give any trouble. This problem has only appeared since the experiment started. I would also add that it still occurs with another machine with a standard setup and no firewalls etc. I have now found that if I put my main firewall on, this problem goes away and I can access the threads,(rather obvious or I wouldn't be typing this, would I?), but it does seem to work, so far. This is only for information, and Max, you do what you want with the site and we'll go with it, I'm just so glad that I have found a way round this problem so I can still log on and keep up with you all, I thought I'd lost you for ever. Thanks again Max for all you do for us. Best wishes Cattail ! |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: vectis Date: 04 Oct 03 - 08:02 PM I've no objection to the ads that are here. They're not intrusive and I can choose whether or not to follow any of them up. I've already clicked a few cents your way and got some useful info so go with it and see how it pans out. |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Oct 03 - 08:53 PM LMAO......Sounds fine to me Max!!! Have Harpy sit on a broken palm frond. What sold me was the accuracy of the Google suggestions.....If you'll notice I pulled up an old thread called "Farting in Public" and it's 2 suggestions were "Gorillas" through the World Wildlife Federation and..............LMAO.......go look for yourself........really quite accurate............snicker,snicker......... Spa |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Oct 03 - 08:59 PM Cattail, sounds like its time to download a newer IE for a lot of reasons! Just be sure to get all of the updates when you do. Max, thanks for being as candid with us as you were when you set this experiment up. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Guy Wolff Date: 04 Oct 03 - 09:37 PM I dont get most of it but Im all for anything that Max thinks will help on the suport side of this great home for us all. Actualy I would love to see adds from Mannies, Music Emporium, Mandolin Brothers , Gruhns Nashville , Botton Box and the Folk music monsters , Elderly instroments or LArk in the Morning. We all talk about these places and send custimers to them in our chatter. . Also Martin Gibson and National Resonophonic could have links. Again I dont know what is apropriate and what is not. It is Maucat .ORG. THe Org most have rules that I dont know anything about. At any rate if I was Martin Guitar and saw the thread on the Martin Carthy 00018 they wouldd realize a member bought a $2,600.00 because of conversation on the Mudcat ! I have sent at least 25 people to the Botton Box for concertina work from here. A banjo was bought from Stan at Mandolin Brothers from Mudcat . This just scratchs the serface of the activity going on here. If we did critiques on BAnjo tutors and guitar vidios , even cd endorsments and the resulting perchace activity could be documented <><<> ???? Im not saying we change anything but as a group we have generated alot of spending.. AIR-TICKETS. How many of us have gone to a place to play with Mudcatters.One can gererate money for servival without being a full blown capitolist and still do some good along the way. Sorry I love think tanking. Come on in the Waters fine.. Alll the best , Guy |
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Subject: RE: Max's Experiment & Mudcat Funding From: Guy Wolff Date: 04 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM I just went to Acordian Heaven in Minasota. Lots of fun and it was at the bottom of the page. All the best , Guy |
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