old-time string bands

Subject: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 12:34 AM

hi there, im new to this community! i like american folk musics especially in old-time music what i learned from some revival-era folk musicians. anybody please tell me anything about old-time musics. for example, how can i know more about this interesting-relaxing music on the net, or who is your favorite musicians in 20's to 30's era of white-american music history, etc... i have the musical web sites please visit and leave messages: http://members.tripod.com/~takeo3/county.htm http://members.tripod.com/~takeo3/boogie.htm thanks, -takeo [e-mail]

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 12:58 AM

Takeo-san, irasshaimasu. That's what these threads are about, old time music--along with Irish, Scottish, English, Aussie, blues, and so on. Many of these threads originate with people who are trying to find the words to songs from any of these traditions, and the words and music of lots of other songs on the same subjects or by the same artists appear. Just enjoy yourself reading the threads, playing the music, and commenting and asking questions. And check out the Digital Tradition Database--it has 6500 songs in it, with more being added all the time. Do you play folk instruments? How about Japanese folk music? Is there an active community of songwriters, musicians, singers commenting on Japanese life, history, politics, traditions, etc.? --seed (Charles Kratz {kuratsu])

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 01:17 AM

thanks seed, this forum might be what i'm lookin for. i play woodbass & washtub-bass in my band: boogie woogie ace & the rhythm kings. japanese folk music today is... like independent one. each so-called folk musician plays his own unique way and not within active community. they all are not commercialized. japanese folk movement was as same as us's revival folk movement from late 50's to early 60's. now i think it's time for revival of rivival folk movement. hahaha... -takeo, [e-mail]

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 01:55 AM

I gave washtub base a try for a while, but went back to banjo, guitar, harmonica, and a few other things. I play regularly in a group which includes an autoharp player, another banjo player, three guitarists, a mandolin, a keyboard. We do a lot of Carter Family songs--"Wildwood Flower," "Will (can) the Circle Be Unbroken," "Little Annie," and so on; a lot of country spirituals--"I'll Fly Away," "Amazing Grace," "The Unclouded Day," "God's Railway to Heaven," along with a few African-American spirituals--"Free Grace," "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot," etc., some blues, some contemporary folk--Tom Paxton is one of our favorites ("The Last Thing on My Mind," "My Ramblin' Boy," "Pack Up Your Sorrows"). Dylan, Woodie Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Doc Watson songs. Fiddle tunes like "Soldier's Joy," "Cripple Creek," "Old Joe Clark," and some stuff we write ourselves.

What are some of the songs your group plays? Do you perform in public? What other instruments are in your band? How long have you been playing? --seed

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 03:38 AM

bseed, im happy to reply back to you. our band is a little bit shifted to black-american music like, jump&jive of louis jordan, cab calloway, classic jazz from fletcher henderson, fats waller, classic blues of blind willie mctell, blind brake, etc. our music of white source is "my good girl's gone blues, dear old sunny south by the sea (jimmie rodgers) ,keep on sunny side (carter family), lovesick blues (patsy cline), goodbye miss liza (highwood string band), etc. see detail of our repertories if you like. as im a folk fan, i like those musicians you mentioned above, and from jack elliot, cisco houston, paul clayton, leadbelly, to leake county revelers, charlie poole, riley puckett & the skillet lickers, etc. and especially dylan, who is a first-step guide to the american primitive music for me. our band includes, harmonica, guitar, drums or washboard. we have been playing at bars or clubs in nagoya, japan twice a month for 8 yrs. you can hear how we play as real audio or wav file on net. thanks. -takeo, [e-mail]

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 01:45 PM

Takeo-san, since it's eight hours earlier here (California) than Nagoya, I had to go off line for bedtime. I'm getting ready for a trip for a few days, so I won't be in touch for a while (I'll get back here Monday--Tuesday for you) and will get back in touch; I'm adding this thread to my finder. My wife and I come to Japan from time to time (we were there in late October and early November). A couple of years before that we went to Hamamatsu to the wedding of my sister-in-law's nephew whom we had met ten years before. I played my banjo and sang "Love Me Tender" at the reception. Dewa mata raishuu. --Charles.

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 03:33 PM

Say, Takeo, you froze up this thread for a while, I guess. You had an URL within a link that opened with quotation marks, but didn't close with them - that seems to make things go haywire here. Quotes within links appear to be optional, as far as I can see (If anybody here can tell us when they're requored, please do). If you use them, you have to have quotes at both the beginning and the end of the URL in the link - but I think it's better not to use them at all, so I deleted your quotes and everything's hunky-dory.
Not to worry, though - I wish more people would figure out it ain't hard to use HTML.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 02 Sep 98 - 08:28 PM

to joe & everyone, im sorry not to use end quotation by my mistake. i found something goin' wrong in this thread but didnt understand. i sware not to use tag here. -takeo, [e-mail]

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 04:37 AM

Go ahead and use HTML tags, Takeo. We like 'em. If you make mistakes, that's the way to learn. The mistakes can always be fixed. We'd like everybody to learn how to use HTML tags. It makes lyrics much easier to read, and the links can take us to all sorts of interesting places.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 05:33 AM

thanks joe, you encourage me to use tag again. -takeo

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Jack (Who is called Jack)
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 05:31 PM

Takeo,

There is a Usenet Newsgroup dedicated to old-time music (I know - Usenet= International House of Spam, but what can you do)

It is called rec.music.country.old-time

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Roger Himler
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 09:37 PM

Seed,

"Pack Up You Sorrows" is a Richard Farina song, not Tom Paxton. Tom's written enough delightful songs, that I'm sure he doesn't need extra credit. Richard unfortunately died an early death and we are short-changed as a result, so lets give him credit due.

And besides, you and I seem destined to keep each other straight.

Hope your trip went well.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 03 Sep 98 - 10:12 PM

thank you jack, i cannot access to usernet news server directly by reason of proxy server settings of my network environment. all i can read as news service of internet is japanese oriented usernet here. i want to know if some http service, =www pages support to send me these message, or i can check the website that have database of rec.music.country.old-time. -takeo

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From:
Date: 05 Sep 98 - 09:33 AM

I access usenet via http://www.dejanews.com lots of good features like My Deja News makes it easy to keep track of various newsgroups.
Takeo has marvelous taste in old timey music.
Brad
http://www.camasnet.com/~asondahl
original blues and jazz midis

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 06 Sep 98 - 10:05 PM

i can read usenet:rec.music.country.old-time via dejanews, thanks. how lovely there are many info on internet! and i want to say more at my website. brad, i read your midi and pottery page. i once make my dishes from ceramics cray and burned at inclined fireplace whose outlook was like a locomotive. and many ingredients turned their color after thru high temperature, it was beautiful. -takeo

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 07 Sep 98 - 08:06 PM

Ya got me again, Roger. I got that from the songbook my jam group put together, so I'll spread the word--we meet tonight. --seed
(by the way, sorry for spelling your name with two ms in one of my postings (no relation to Heinrich, I suppose).

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 07 Sep 98 - 08:31 PM

Takeo-san: It looks like you keep yourself busy--high tech inventing plus all that music (I assume you mean that you and your group can perform that entire list).
I just got back from Oregon today, and finally had time to check your page. Very interesting. Which do you consider yourself, an inventor who plays music, or a musician who dabbles as an inventor--or do you define yourself some other way?
I've been through Nagoya several times on Shin-Kansen, but never stopped. Next trip I'll check your schedule and come see you play. --seed

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 09 Sep 98 - 02:18 AM

seed, of cource we forget some code progressions of our repertoire but most of them are still performable. but i note our songs are partly nonsense in english lyrics, when we copied lyrics from lp or cd. half of them are always suspicious. even sometimes we make our lyric note by pronounciation symbol. and for your question, i define mine as an engineer dreaming of musician and real inventor. and youre welcomed for our stage! -takeo

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 09 Sep 98 - 04:55 AM

Takeo-san: it's good to be back in touch. I don't know when my next trip to Japan will be, but I'll definitely stop in Nagoya for a while instead of just passing through on my way to Kyoto or Hiroshima or Hamamatsu (actually, next trip I'm hoping to go to Shikoku and Kyushu). My wife is from Ageo-shi, Saitama-ken, and she tries to get home every two or three years, and sometimes I can save enough to accompany her.

If you would like any help getting the exact lyrics for any of your songs, I'd be happy to help. You can email me at [e-mail] (for a while, anyway. I may change online services. If I do, I'll make sure to give you my new address).

If you'd like to see some of the things I sing and play, check the threads Abilene II and Movement songs. I provide the chords, in a clear manner. I think, and in some cases you can figure out the melodies from the chords. Since for some of the songs I wrote I used traditional melodies, I identify them.

I've run across you on several other threads, as well. I'm glad you are feeling at home on the Mudcat.

By the way, it's 2 a.m. here now. I was having a bit of a problem getting to sleep, so I came to my favorite spot, the Mudcat. Dewa mata, seed.

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Alice
Date: 09 Sep 98 - 10:22 AM

takeo, I visited your website and repertoire list... very good! Just post any lyrics you have a question about here, and we can all help with spelling and and how to say the words. Two spelling errors I noticed in titles "Saturday Night Fish Fry" (not fly) and "Flat Foot Floozy" (not froozy). What a great band you have. I am sure you have alot of loyal fans in your city.

Alice in Montana

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: BSeed
Date: 09 Sep 98 - 08:43 PM

Actually, it's Flat Foot Flooey (with the Floy-floy).--seed

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: takeo
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 01:16 AM

alice, thank you for your correction. i still dont know the meaning of what is saturday night fish fry, or flat fool floozy floy-floy. maybe someone eat fish fry on saturday night. and there were man named floozy who have flat foot. both louis jordan and slim gailard's jump song from 40s are my favorite. they were charted to jukebox top 10, billboard used to have this category. -takeo

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 02:37 AM

I don't get the Saturday night fish fry, either, Takeo. When I was growing up in Wisconsin, taverns served fried fish (like tempura) on FRIDAY nights. There were lots of Roman Catholics in Wisconsin, and Catholics weren't supposed to eat meat on Friday (but fish was ok). They'd serve all-you-can-eat fish and french fries for a very low price, and they'd make big profits selling beer. Friday night fish fry was usually a big neighborhood party at the local tavern.
I went home to Wisconsin a few years ago, and the Friday night fish fry is still very popular at bars there, even though the Catholics dropped the rule about not eating meat on Friday. Oh, but the beer and the fish and the french fries still taste GREAT!!!!!
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 11:34 AM

Actually. it was Floogie. (which was undoubtedly a PC way of saying floozie).

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 98 - 10:08 AM

Refreshing this thread, 'cause I would like to see more people list titles of favorite old-time songs and tunes.
(takeo, by the way, floozy means an immoral woman).

A new old-timey session has started in my town, and I dusted off my autoharp. I've been doing the Celtic session and practicing opera for so long that I had to refresh my memory on the old time American folk lyrics. My grandparents homesteaded in Montana in 1917, and they played fiddle, guitar and sang. The tunes they did were, for example, Soldier's Joy, Redwing, and one they called Money Musk. I have not been able to find Money Musk anywhere. Popular in their time was: When You And I Were Young Maggie, The Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeze, Alexander's Ragtime Band, Golden Slippers, etc.

alice in montana

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: jeff s
Date: 14 Sep 98 - 08:59 PM

Old time music is seems to be pretty under represented in the ABC lists and elsewhere. I've only found two versions of whiskey before breakfast and I'm not particularly thrilled with either but at least they were there.

jeff s

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 98 - 09:41 PM

I spoke too soon. I just found two copies of Money Musk with the 'abc' tune finder website. alice

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Sep 98 - 10:43 PM

Takeo san,

What a fabulous addition you are to our community. Somehow I have missed this thread but I intend to follow it closely.

I was privileged to visit your beautiful country on old Uncle Sam. In fact, I took R & R (Rest and Relaxation) there during my tour in Vietnam. Having been raised in a setting with strong cultural values (Irish immigrants), I was very much taken by the strong sense of culture that I experienced in your country. In fact, the similarities to my were striking.

If I can be of any assistance, I will certainly jump in. Most of the music that I perform is Irish trad, ballads and pub songs, and Labor/working folks music. I am currently experimenting with song writing. Trying to put some of the stories of over 20 years of labor union organizing into verse.

All the best,

Mick [e-mail]

Subject: RE: old-time string bands
From: Jasper Gemstone
Date: 15 Sep 98 - 09:36 PM

I grew up in a town in the southern tier of the Adirondack Mountains. ON Saturday nite everyone in the town got togeather at the Fish & game Hall and four men from the town played string band music and we squaredanced. Now I play the guiitar, and Harmonica( which sort of takes the place of the fiddle. During the week we went to the cafe and played the Juke box. we loved all kinds of groups, there were so many. The Pivital group I think was The Blue Sky Boys, and the Mattox Brothers, and Rose. They were traditional, but commercial. THey were both radio bands

Subject: RE: Richard Farina song
From: GUEST,John in Canada
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 01:17 PM

Judy Collins sang it on her first album;

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