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Subject: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: GUEST,ooh-aah Date: 17 Nov 03 - 09:36 PM I've a very good recording of Martin Carthy singing this very funny song with his usual skill - however because of the rapid delivery I can't pick up all the words. It's off his Crown of Horn album - can anyone help? |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE WORCESTERSHIRE WEDDING From: Sorcha Date: 17 Nov 03 - 09:48 PM THE WORCESTERSHIRE WEDDING [Trad. arr. Martin Carthy] Sung by Martin Carthy on his 1976 album Crown of Horn. Martin Carthy said in the record's sleeve notes: The Worcestershire Wedding is another of Martina Russell's songs. Again she could only recall the tune and part of the text, so what is sung here is a severely truncated version of the text published from an 18th century broadside in The Foggy Dew, also compiled by Frank Purslow from the Hammond and Gardiner MSS. Lyrics An old woman all clothed in grey Had a daughter both charming and young That Roger deluded away With his false flattering tongue With him she so often had lain Abroad in the meadows and fields Till her belly grew up to her chin And her spirits right down to her heels O the diddle oh foll the doll diddle dum day Cries her mother that's what you expect When you play the hey ding-a-ding Why didn't you follow my rule And tie your two toes in a string It was Roger the daughter replied Called me his dear pretty bird He said he would make me his bride But he wasn't as good as his word Foll the diddle oh foll the doll diddle dum day Go fetch me me crutches she cried And bring me me spectacles too For if he will not make you his bride I'll sure split his head into two She come to him there at the mill At him with her crutches she fly Cries Why don't you marry me daughter And make her as honest as I Foll the diddle oh foll the doll diddle dum day Oh what will you give he cries If I take her now off your hands You must make me the lord of your store Your money your building and land Cries she you shall have all you wish Me cattle me silver and gold Says he I've been looking for this It'll keep out the wind and the cold Foll the diddle oh foll the doll diddle dum day Then hey for a girl or a boy Young missus looked fine as a duchess Mother danced and she capered for joy And she danced a fine jig on her crutches Foll loll the diddle oh foll the doll diddle dum day Acknowledgements Transcribed by Garry Gillard, with help from Wolfgang Hell. Thanks also to Ruth Bygrave. http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/martin.carthy/songs/theworcestershirewedding.html |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 17 Nov 03 - 10:59 PM That's Marina Russell, née Sartin (1833-1908). She lived at Upwey in Dorset, and sang 100 songs for Henry and Robert Hammond in the course of a mere two visits in January -or February- and December of 1907. Being quite elderly, her memory for the words was a bit vague, and many were quite fragmentary. She had a lot of interesting and unusual tunes, and, it seems, a fondness for the Dorian mode. She must have had a formidable repertoire in her youth. A lot of her versions of songs are still sung today; in the main, sadly, by people who don't bother to acknowledge her, or who have learned them from others who didn't bother. Martin Carthy is an exception, and always gives her proper credit. Quite a few songs that come from her have been posted here at one time or another. There are others, too, not traditional as such but collated from traditional and printed material, which are set to tunes noted from her. I've listed some of these in previous threads. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: Sorcha Date: 17 Nov 03 - 11:16 PM Thanks,Malcolm...I just copied and pasted as usual. I don't really know provenences... |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE WORCESTERSHIRE WEDDING From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 Nov 03 - 12:17 PM No reason why you should know; and the mis-spelling wasn't your fault. It did need correcting, though. Here is the song as Mrs Russell had it. It's sometimes tempting to see parallels in a singer's life with songs that they sang, though we can't know whether their repertoire was necessarily influenced. At any rate, one of Mrs Russell's unmarried daughters got pregnant; but there seems to have been no happy ending in that case, and Marina brought up the illegitimate grandson herself. THE WORCESTERSHIRE WEDDING (Noted from Mrs Marina Russell, Upwey, Dorset, Feb. 1907, by Henry and Robert Hammond) An old lady was clothed in grey Whose daughter was charming and young. Young Roger delude her away With his false flattering tongue. Three guineas he gave her in hand; He told her she must not dispute. He brought her unto his command, And 'tis done, and 'tis not to be helped. Fal the dal the did-dle al, Fal the dal did-dle al day. "Oh! what will you give me, bold Hodge, If I do take her from your hand? Will you make me lord of the manor, Likewise of your houses and land, Your barns and your stables also Both every wether and yeowe, If I do take her as my bride? And speak up, if you will, 'Yes,' or 'No.' " Fal the dal the diddle al, Fal the dal diddle al day. Then the bargain it was soon made, And the job it was soon done. The old woman wished them good luck, And was proud of her daughter and son. * * * * * You see they are greater than duchess [es] The old woman wished them good luck, And she danced a fine jig on her crutches. Fal the dal the diddle al, Fal the dal diddle al day. Journal of the Folk Song Society III (11) 1907 119-120. X:1 T:The Worcestershire Wedding S:Mrs Marina Russell, Upwey, Dorset, Feb. 1907 Z:Henry and Robert Hammond B:Journal of the Folk Song Society III (11) 1907 119-120 L:1/8 Q:1/4=100 M:3/4 K:A E E|A2 B2 A2|=G2 F2 E2|A4 A2| w:An old la-dy was clo-thed in grey Whose d2 e2 d2|c2 c2 B2|A4 E2|E2 A2 A2| w:daugh-ter was charm-ing and young. Young Ro-ger de- =G2 F2 E2|A4 A2|d4 d2|c2 A2 B2|A4 A2| w:lude her a-way With his false flat-ter-ing tongue. Three A2 B2 c2|d2 e2 c2|d4 c2|d2 c2 d2| w:gui-neas he gave her in hand; He told her she e2 =g2 f2|e4 A2|A2 e2 e2|A2 B2 A2| w:must not dis-pute. He brought her un-to his com- =G2 F2 E2|B2 c2 d2|e2 d2 c2|B4 || w:mand, And 'tis done, and 'tis not to be helped. A A|A3 A A B|=c6|d3 e =f2|e2 =c2 A2|A4|] w:Fal the dal the did-dle al, fal the dal did-dle al day. The song is no. 1594 in the Roud Folk Song Index. Beside Mrs Russell's set, the Hammonds also got a version from Mrs [Edith] Bowring at Cerne Abbas (Dorset, 1907) and there is a text in John Bell's MSS (Northumberland). Editions of the broadside can be seen at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads: The old woman cloathed in grey |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: GUEST,Pat Date: 28 Mar 04 - 02:49 PM Hello list, Looking at the broadsides for this song in the Bodleian -- I can't tell if they've been dated? Am I just being thick? Can anyone enlighten me? I'm wondering if "The Worcestershire Wedding" might have been sung as far back as the 1770s. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:39 PM Well before then, probably. Those broadsides aren't dated, but there are examples with music extant elsewhere from c. 1705. The song was quoted in A Collection of Old Ballads (1723-1725, II, 230) so was likely not new at the beginning of the 18th century. Claude Simpson (The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music, 1966, 405) thinks it likely that it was in circulation during the later part of the 17th century, but notes that there appear to be no copies surviving from that period. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: GUEST,Pat Date: 28 Mar 04 - 04:06 PM That's great news for me. Thanks so much for the reply! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the worcestershire wedding From: GUEST,steve mann Date: 21 May 04 - 02:09 PM I think the last verse is: well hey for a girl or a boy young missus looked blithe as a dove she smiled as she capered for joy and she danced a fine jig on her crutches |
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