Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!

Subject: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:44 PM

Arise 'Sir Mick'; Rolling Stone Jagger Knighted

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Dec. 12 — LONDON (Reuters) - Rolling Stones lead singer Mick Jagger, once a scourge of the British establishment, received its ultimate accolade on Friday when he was knighted by heir to the throne Prince Charles in a ceremony at Buckingham Palace.

"It was all rather wonderfully formal," the 60-year-old rock n'roll lothario told reporters after the ceremony in which Charles tapped him lightly on each shoulder with a sword.

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Well, this has gotta be some kind of a goddamn milestone, eh? From a sharecropper jam to a roadhouse joint to Chicago, Liverpool, the Stones and finally the ranks of Knighthood, the blues has come some way in the last hundred years, no?

Congrats, Sir Mick!!


A

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

With all due respect - What the hell have the Rolling Stones to do with Folk music or even PROPER blues ?? As opposed to Rythm'n'Blues.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:06 PM

This is Folklore?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Amos
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 11:18 PM

Jeeeezus Kariiist, guys -- if you don't see the thread of historical inheritance from the blues to the Rolling Stones, you're half blind and the other half lame!! You think Jagger would have half known what to do with himself without the blues legacy that was born in the land of Tweed? My mother's patootie!

And yes, you are Goddamned right this is folklore. But, I should add, that in order to be able to recognize the processes going on from month to month around you, you have to recognize the process that went on through the years before you!! Aw, c'mon -- tell me Clapton took up the blues guitar in order to capitalize on a market opportunity!! Sheeeeeeeee-it!



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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 12:44 AM

oh.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishmen
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 04:53 AM

I came across Mick Jagger in Padstow, Cornwall, over 30 years ago during the traditional May Day celebrations. He seemed very interested in the music, folklore and customs.

The Melody Maker's comment afterwards upon learning of his presence was 'Why?' The fashion for not considering it worthwhile to examine the processes of society is still with us.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 05:09 AM

Karl Dallas included the Jagger/Richard song ' Factory Girl ' in his
exdellent anthology ' One Hundred Songs Of Toil ' not a bad song by the way. A l Lloyd was employed to teach sir mick to sing the ' Wild Colonial Boy ' in the film Ned Kelly. two slight but definate connections to folk music.
eric

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Jim McLean
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 05:21 AM

In the very early sixties he turned up at a folkclub in London run by Bruce Dunnet who refused to let him sing!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 10:44 AM

OK Amos - I sit corrected. I was not thinking about the background to
what the Stones have made a lot of money out of.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Amergin
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 11:20 AM

my question (with apologies to Amos, sorry mate) is So?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 01:17 PM

If memory serves, in one of the many biographies of the Stones, Sir Mick expounds on his musical influences, the primary of those being Jimmy Reed. Anyone who was influenced by Jimmy Reed is okay in my book. Of the blues "legends," Reed's music is my favorite, but he seems to get slight attention among blues aficionados.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:13 PM

So...nuffink!   I made an observation. Personally, I find it interesting that someone who specialized in blues and rock and roll could acheive a British knighthood. Not as cool as a talking frog, sure -- but interesting~! :>)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:29 PM

Didn't Mick sing "Long Black Veil" on a Chieftains album?

However, the whole knighthood business, which has been bestowed on scores of aging rock stars, seems to me to fall under the heading of BS.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:39 PM

It also falls under the BS category that aging male rock stars finally achieve the validation of the Establishment they were seeking when superficially rebelling against it in order to laugh their way to the Establishment bank, and putting their Establishment investments into art treasures and Georgian architecture.

Mick Jagger is a phony, but then, the whole royal/monarchy system is a sham, so why not let Amos discuss the way the British rebels and royals love to sniff at and lick each other's status quo asses?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 06:06 PM

Jagger and Richards have written some absolutely great acoustic songs (as well as rock songs) that have definitely added to the folk tradition, although the Rolling Stones are not "folk".

Now, Kermit the Frog? He should definitely get a knighthood, merely for having survived a relationship with Miss Piggy, if nothing else. And he waves his little arms even better than Mick does.

Amos should also get one for lucidity and good judgement.

- LH

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishmen
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 06:11 PM

Ah yes, that reminds me, have you heard Dick Gaughan's rendition of Ruby Tuesday? This is certainly in line to be added to the folk tradition.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 06:25 PM

I cannot imagine what music would be like without The Rolling Stones any more than I can imagine what it would be like without The Beatles or Elvis or George Gershwin. There have only been a handful of truly seminal musical acts whose influence is universally undeniable, and The Stones are one of them. Whether you like 'em or not, they're important.

Does that qualify Mick's knighthood as "folklore"? I don't know. But I don't see why anyone would want to bitch about it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: breezy
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 06:51 PM

a great many folk have come across great many folk in Padstow on may day, so whats new? Jagger wasnt the first nor will he be the last.
Meet me on the harbour.
Meanwhile this Friday night come and sing seasonal songs with us at The King Harry, St Albans

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishmen
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 07:05 PM

Might do Breezy. Don't know if Mick will be free, but shall I bring Shane MacGowan if I see him? We could then have the best seasonal song of all time, 'Fairy Tale of New York'.

Failing that, if I see you on the harbour on May Day, can I push you in?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Beverley Barton
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 07:29 AM

Well done Sir Michael. Stop all this silly bleating about if he is folk/rock/blues etc. Try and see him as another toe in the door of our honours system. At least he isn't another upper class twit receiving a knighthood.
    You never know, at this rate we may live to see Sir Mike Harding, or Sir jOhn of Hull, Dame Beverley Barton. Think of the possibilities girls!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: mooman
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 07:36 AM

Actually jOhn is already the holder of a Ninehood...

moo

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:29 AM

God forbid Sir Mike Harding, what for ? services to mediocraty in broadcasting or for saying everything he plays is ' my all time favourite ever '
eric

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishmen
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:33 AM

He's quite a good mandolin player....

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:37 AM

And to think, if I hadn't got a better offer, I might have gone to Dartford Grammar School with Mick. Mind you, Albert Lee who was in the same class with me at The Roan School, has become a pretty good rock/blues guitarist.

Good Luck to him - although I gather that most of the rest of "The Stones" have been pretty bitchy about it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Beverley Barton
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:42 AM

Oh come now Eric, Mr Harding is a lovely little man, and he even showed up at the Beverley festival this year. ( He is VERY small though isn't he)
   I would have liked to have seen Sir Wally Whyton.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishmen
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:51 AM

Well, so he should. He is festival patron after all...
Unfortunately I believe Wally Whyton is no longer with us.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Beverley Barton
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 06:58 AM

I know. Shame. I loved listening to him as a kid. How about Sir Olly Beak as a tribute?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 07:32 AM

Mike is undoubtedly a fine musician particularly on mandolin and tenor banjo plus guitar, he has also written some very fine sings, in fact he used to be an all round great bloke untill he got famous.
Look on the Jim Moray thread, he will not reply to anybody who critises his programme, only to compliments, hardly a balanced view, I emailed him several times about his radio show and he just would not reply, but he took the opportunity of an article in the magazine
The Living Tradition to slag me off in public, in fact I never criticised Mike himself only his BBC show, great musician crap broadcaster. eric

Subject: RE: Folklore: Sir Mick Ascends to the Establishment!
From: GUEST,Mike Harding
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 11:59 AM

I am not bloody short! I am quite tall actually! See you round the back of the cowshed later eh Beverley?