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Civil War Ballads
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U.S.A.'s 'Civil War Songs' (53)
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Subject: Civil War Ballads From: Martin Ryan Date: 30 Sep 98 - 06:46 AM The Irish Times newspaper had an article on Irish ballads from the American Civil War, yesterday, which might be of interest. It's in the on-line edition at:
http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1998/0929/south2.html
Regards
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Liam's Brother Date: 30 Sep 98 - 12:41 PM Hi Martin! Very interesting. Thanks for letting us know. This is a fascinating area of folk music. Happy to tell you that I am anxiously awaiting the CD test pressing of "Irish Ballads and Songs of the Sea". "Billy O'Shea," sung by myself and Lou Killen is on it. There are 15 songs altogether. The other performers are Mick Moloney, The Irish Tradition, Brian Conroy and a group of guys I've sung with, off and on, at South Street Seaport here in NYC since 1972 (including, my brother, Liam). The CD should be on Folk-Legacy but I'll try to work out something so that it's readily available in Ireland too. At the least, I'll bring some to Ballyliffin in case anyone is interested. Getting back to the thread, Dave Kincaid is singing in NYC tonight. Bonnie and I are going. I have heard the CD once and it's very well done though quite "produced." He has a good voice but, and the only negative, is that he uses it a lot like a rock'n'roll singer. Bonnie and I sang "Pat Murphy of the Irish Brigade" up in Ballyliffin. We had a couple of other Irish-American songs from the Civil War to do in keeping with the theme of the seminar but didn't get around to them. Bob Conroy, whom you met in Ballyliffin, and I are in the middle of recording a "theme" CD that will include at least 3 U.S. Civil War songs of the Irish. Will keep you posted. Hope your computer troubles are diminishing. All the best, Dan Milner
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Kathleen Date: 30 Sep 98 - 01:12 PM Has anyone heard the music for the PBS Civil War special by Ken Burns? I have the tape of it, but not with me unfortunately. Anyways, it's a good example of the different sounds and perspectives of the war: slave songs, rebel songs, yankee songs, women's songs, etc. There's a song on it called "Lincoln and Liberty Too" which is actually "The Men of the West." Now that I think about it, I don't know if that's the correct title for the Irish version: I give you the galant of Wexford/Where rally the bravest and best/When Ireland was broken and bleeding/ Hurrah for the men of the west! Another misplaced Irish tune on the tape is "When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again" aka "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye." If you like Civil War music, I strongly recommend looking for it. It's simply called "Songs of the Civil War." I'll have to look for more info on it |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Barry Finn Date: 30 Sep 98 - 02:52 PM Well Golly Dan, I must say what I've got is a tape of great stuff by you, it must be the preCDrelease tape that was selling at this past Mystic, funny I had to start a long drive this morning at 5am & I brought you along for company, again, you seem to travel well. Great job, very rare & very well done. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Liam's Brother Date: 30 Sep 98 - 03:51 PM Hi Barry! Thanks for the kind words. I'll start a new thread on "Irish Ballads & Songs of the Sea" when I when it's a CD reality and I get some copies here. I'll give you a full $ credit for your tape if you want to "upgrade" to a CD. Ok, pal? There are a number of retakes and a few additional songs on the CD. The sound should be excellent too. But back to the U.S. Civil War... there are some Confederate songs too... All the best, Dan Milner |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Bob Schwarer Date: 30 Sep 98 - 04:36 PM If you want a great catalog that has a fine selection of CDs tapes, and books on civil war music spend 5 bucks for the "Dixie Gun Works" catalog.
Dixie Gun Works, Inc Bob S.
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Barry Finn Date: 30 Sep 98 - 05:04 PM Thanks for the kind offer Dan but the tape, as far as I'm concerned, by far exceeds what I paid for. I picked it up because of "Billy O'Shea", so what a trill when I heard the rest, another trill was to find that Shea was the one you first heard it from, talk about a great circle route, we see each other every Tues. By the time your CD is out, at the rate I'm going, I'll have worn out the tape anyway so it'll have gone far past & beyond it's expected life, I've probably put over 75,000 miles on it, my CD's don't last that long in the truck, maybe I get 25,000 out of them (I don't have a fancy CD player in the truck, I think I need to up grade the truck before the CD's, it's got over 1/4 million miles on it). The great thing for me with LPs, I couldn't take the best out on the road with me & ruin them. Give Bonnie a hello from me. Thanks Barry |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: BSeed Date: 01 Oct 98 - 12:19 AM Among the Confederate songs is the comical but historically meaningful "Goober Peas." It's on the DT, as is another goofy Rebel song, "Mister, Here's Your Mule." --seed |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Alice Date: 01 Oct 98 - 02:06 PM Hi, I have refreshed a thread related to this thread that I started in May.
Subject: Add: Paddy's Lamentation (click here) alice in montana |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Date: 02 Oct 98 - 01:50 PM A very Good set of albums was made by a group called the Cumberland three, featuring John Stuart. The Albums were called Civil War Songs of The South and ..obviously..Civil War etc. Ernie Ford also did albums of civil war songs. Both of these have been released as cds. The Cumberland Three Album has some excellent things on it. Aldus |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Martin Ryan Date: 16 Oct 98 - 06:29 AM A follow up to the article mentioned at the top of this thread: http://www.irish-times.com/irish%2Dtimes/paper/1998/1013/south2.html
BTW Dan: martinpryan@tinet.ie should reach me now! Have you a new address? Regards |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Dave White Date: 04 Nov 98 - 12:46 AM Anne Hills does a wonderful Civil War ballad (she duets this song w/various artists) called "Richmond on the James" I found it on "Never Grow Old" Flying Fish Records |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Rincon Roy Date: 04 Nov 98 - 04:37 AM I also understand that a group of Irishmen crossed over from the yankee army in the Mexican War preceding the American CW and fought valiantly for the Mexican defending forces who nicknamed them the "San Patricios" (the Saint Patricks). another surprising detail: Tucson Arizona was founded around 1775? by Col. Hugo Oconor, an Irishman in the service of the king of Spain. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 07 Apr 01 - 10:10 AM I'd recommend David Kincaid's "The Irish Volunteer." It's my favorite CD for Irish Civil War songs. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 07 Apr 01 - 04:20 PM Rincon Roy: You are correct that the San Patricios fought for the Mexican army. To clarify, they were Irishmen who initially joined the American Army and deserted to join the Mexican army. (Which is why Gen. Winfield Scott had a fair portion of them executed.) The song Lincoln and Liberty, written by Jesse Hutchinson borrowed the tune of Rosin the Beau. I'm not familiar with the song The Men of the West. Do the three songs share the same tune? In addition to the famed Irish Brigade of the Civil War, there was a unit know as the Clinch Rifles, raised in Georgia who fought for the Confederate cause. One of the best general in the CSA was Patrick Cleburne who had fought with the British Army in Crimea. He was killed at the battle of Franklin Tennesee. And by the way, The Streets of Laredo derives from The Bard of Armagh. Kindest reguards, NEil |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Apr 01 - 05:04 PM Rosin the Beau and Lincoln and Liberty too share the tune (almost) with Acres of Clams, too. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST Date: 07 Apr 01 - 06:34 PM This brings to mind the wonderful a cappella quadlet that Frank Warner included in his first Elektra album (IO think): This day will be remembered by America's noble sons! A |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Alice Date: 07 Apr 01 - 07:44 PM Paddy's Lamentation (mp3 sound) click here |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Chicken Charlie Date: 09 Apr 01 - 03:25 PM The melody ("air," if you like) for Rosin the Beau was used for "Denver" by the New Christie Minstrels, as well as for "Lincoln & Liberty Too" and "Acres of Clams." Also, on the "urban folk" scene, the Limeliters used it for "Charlie the Midnight Marauder," about a guy who was arrested for B&E after mistaking an identical new suburban house for his own and walking in. Good tunes just don't wanna give up. Chicken Charlie |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: CRANKY YANKEE Date: 09 Apr 01 - 08:09 PM The best of the lot, I think, was written by Henry Clay Work,the same guy who wrote My Grandfather's clock, Father dear Rather,and Watchman strike the bell (The basis for "Strike the Bell " and "Clip go the shears") among others. The song I'm referring to is never heard in the Southeastern United States, and is entitled MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA. It is in the DT |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Giac Date: 09 Apr 01 - 09:47 PM Of course Marching Through Georgia is heard in the southeastern United States. It's a good tune and I've played it myself (never sang the words). But to cleanse the air, it should be followed by Dixie, Bonnie Blue Flag, or maybe I Am A Good Old Rebel. **BG** ~;o)
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Uncle Jaque Date: 09 Apr 01 - 10:03 PM Henry C. WORK, like many of his contemporaries, was apparantly not above "borrowing" a pre-existant Folk, tavern, or work song which had probably never been written down, much less published, and publishing (and taking credit for) his own arrangement of it. I have heard amongst Reenacting circles that the tune for "Georgia" was originally a Southern folk song known as "The Bedbug and the Flea". If the older lyrics could be found and documented, perhaps we could revive the tune while dispelling the culturally offensive (to Southerners, anyway)association with the later H.C.WORK lyrics. About the best currently available collection of CW Music in printed form, IMHO, is the Jerry SILVERMAN Edition. One version of it is published by Mel BAY (MB94734). The arrangements are pretty basic and straightforward with guitar chords. Some purists have critisized it for supposedly deviating from original scores in some details, but I submit that they will suffice for all intents and purposes. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 10 Apr 01 - 09:18 AM UNcle Jaque; Good to see you on the threads again! I would be intersted in the Bedbug and the Flea lyrics if they are available. If I'm playing in a mixed crowd Union and Confederate I'll usually pair "Battle cry of Freedom" and "Dixie's Land" And pair "Marching Through Georgia" with I'm a Good Old Rebel" I widely interspace that with "Non-sectarian" music ("SWeet Betsy From Pike Etc.) I do have a version of Acres of Clams and the chords are almost identical to Rosin the beau. Does anyone know where I can find the lyrics to The Irish Volunteer or the Irish Jaunting Car? It's the same tune as the Bonnie Blue Flag. I believe The Irish Jaunting Car is the owner of that tune by the way. Kindest reguards, NEil |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 10 Apr 01 - 08:46 PM Irish Sergeant: The words to "The Irish Volunteer" are printed in David Kincaid's CD of the same name. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 10 Apr 01 - 09:19 PM Great bear, Thanks. An additional remark on the San Patricios Not all of them were Irish. The perception of them was that they were based on their flag and the fact that one of the organizers, John Reilly was. Not all of them were hanged. I think possibly seventeen were, one was shot a couple were branded and the rest were discharged without further action. Kindest reguards, NEil By the way, the Mexican War is supposedly responsible for the term Gringo Supposedly, the Mexicans used ut as a term for us "Nortes" and it derives from the song Green Grows the Laurel which was popular with the army at that time. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,Fred Date: 10 Apr 01 - 11:36 PM My parents gave me a copy of The Civil War Songbook, a collection of reprints of sheet music from that period, selected and introduced by Richard Crawford, published by Dover Publications in 1977. I have no idea whether it is still in print. It includes many of the songs mentioned above. Most are in harmony parts and have the piano accompaniment but no guitar chords. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque Date: 11 Apr 01 - 12:23 AM Don't forget some of the popular Minstrel and "Civilian" tunes of the period, like "Wait for the Wagon", "Lorena", "Poor Nellie Gray", and the Steven FOSTER hits like "Old Kentucky Home, "The Glendy Burke", and "Hard Times" (Parodied in the Army as "Hardtack Come again No More"). A favorite on both sides was "Home Sweet Home". If you have the vocal range for it and want to impress the shucks out of yer Pards (provided that you can pull it off) try "Kathleen Mavourneen" By F. Nicholls CROUCH who fought in a Georgia Militia Artillery Unit throughout the War. It may be heard on the "More Songs and Tunes From Gettysburg" soundtrack recording. Don't know if it is on CD or not; I wore my cassette of it out. One of my critisizims of the BURNS CW Series soundtrack is that despite his fairly competent renderings of such songs as he did, he neglected scads of really beautiful and compelling music of the period and repeated the same 5 or 6 tunes over and over and over... It has been said that there was more music written in America during the ACW than at any other period in our history... and I am inclined to believe it. As I collect 19th Century music, more and more of it keeps turning up and God knows how much never got written down and was lost forever. One could easily devote a lifetime to the study of the Music of the American "Civil" War. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:40 AM I agree you could do a full book of nothing but parodies. I just sent a manuscript of a book of Civil War songs to the publisher last month. There were in addition to the popular music several hymns sung then that are still church favorites such as "What a Friend We Have in Jesus", "The Doxology" (Old One Hundred), "Amazing Grace" and that perrenial favorite of B westerns, "Rock of Ages" Fred, I don't know but I believe the book you talk about may stioll be in print. I have seen it for sale in the sutler's tens at reenactments. I have a copy of that book and as I remember, he compiled it from the origional sheet music. Kindest reguards, NEil |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 11 Apr 01 - 03:52 PM I have three new Civil War songs on my album (Streets of Fall River). Irish Music Magazine reviewed the album in their Feb 2001 issue. The lyrics and sound files are here: Song tells tale of Irish Louisiana Regiment in CW Ballad of a young immigrant, left potato famine and died at Gettysburg Young Irish American says fare well to home and sweet heart |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:22 PM Jed: Reguarding Prayer from Little Round Top,That is an awesome song my man! I exstend my congratulations on a job well done!! Kindest reguards, Neil PS Will you be atFirst Manassas in August? |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:04 PM I have Jerry Silverman's "Ballads & Songs of the Civil War" and Wayne Erbsen's "Rousing Songs and True Tales of the Civil War". For harder to find tunes Johns Hopkins has made their Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music available on line at: http://levysheetmusic.mse.jhu.edu Duke Univ. is another good online source at: http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic Some of the tunes that I copied from the online sources are: Aura Lea, Hartimes Come Again No More, Kitty Wells, O Touch Not My Sister's Picture, Rose of Alabama, Sweet Evelina, The Blue and the Gray One tune that I have not been able to find is "Green Grows the Lilacs." Does anyone know a source for this tune? |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:15 PM According to Wayne Erbsen JEB Stuart's favorite tunes are: Jine the Cavalry (of course) Sweet Eveline (one of my favorite songs too) Old Folks at Home When this Cruel War is Over Love Not Passing Away Soldier's Joy The Dew is on the Blossom The Soldier's Dream The Cottage by the Sea When the Swallows Homeward Fly Annie Laurie Lorena (another of my favorites) Her Bright Smile Haunts Me Still Ever of Thee Home Sweet Home Kathleen Mavoureen Passing Away Rock of Ages Napolitaine Maryland, My Maryland I'm familiar with most but not all of these. Perhaps someone will make a CD of JEB's favorites. It would be a good collection of songs. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 11 Apr 01 - 10:25 PM Irish sergeant - I don't know about 1st Manassas, but I will be at the Sperryville Civil War Memorial in VA during the first weekend in June. It is a modest event in a beautiful setting. What is 1st Manassas? Thanks for the comments on Prayer from Little Round Top. I love that song too. Seamus Kennedy is recording Sweet Ellen Joyce right now, for his next record. I am thrilled about that! |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:29 PM Irish sergeant, fi you're interested; send me a PM with address and I mail you a CD with Prayer From Little Round Top. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 12 Apr 01 - 08:18 PM The 140 anniversary of 1st Manassas/Bull Run is the big reenacting event this year in the mid-atlantic states. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 12 Apr 01 - 09:55 PM 140 anniversary of 1st Manassas/Bull Run; when is it the event? do you have a link to some info? |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Rex Date: 13 Apr 01 - 12:56 PM If we're mentioning songbooks, I said it before and I'll say it again, Irwin Silber's "Songs of the Civil War" is hard to beat. A very complete listing along with history and parodies. I'm with Uncle Jacque, as a follower of 19th century music, the Civil War was a treasure trove of music and songs. It seems like hard times and conflict inspire the writers, song writers among them. Even up to this day. Rex |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,TheGreatBear Date: 13 Apr 01 - 07:45 PM I agree with you Rex, the introduction to Wayne's book touches on this same point. It states that approximately 10,000 new songs were written and published during the Civil War. That has got to be more than all of the songs previously published in the U.S. |
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Subject: Jine The Cavalry From: GUEST,"Trooper Ray" Date: 26 Aug 02 - 11:36 AM I am a reenactor in the 1st Virginia Cavalry Company G, Southern Legion, ANV. I was wondering where I might be able to find sheet music for the tune "Jine the Cavalry" (or any other Civil War songs) on the internet. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Aug 02 - 02:05 PM Midi and lyrics at Jine the Cavalry The Levy site does not have the sheet music. Not in "Sound Off" (Soldier Songs) |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Aug 02 - 02:57 PM Should have added that the Levy site does have sheet music for a number of Civil War Songs. Levy |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Irish sergeant Date: 26 Aug 02 - 07:06 PM Any re-enactors going to Antietam? If so, Look me up, I'm first sgt for the 12th US Inf. and will be billetted with 4th inf., USV (Regulars)? Don't forget all the greta immigrants who gave songs to the Civil War. "By the Hush"(Irish), "I fights mit Siegel" German etc. Kindest regards, Neil |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:06 AM |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: masato sakurai Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:23 AM There's a lyrics & midi page (based on Crawford's Civil War Songbook: Complete Original Sheet Music for 37 Songs), a section of Benjamin Robert Tubb's PUBLIC DOMAIN MUSIC. ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: JedMarum Date: 17 Apr 03 - 11:26 AM This is a great site, masato. Thanks for posting it. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Songster Bob Date: 17 Apr 03 - 12:28 PM I hate to differ with the folk etymology, but "gringo" derives from "griego," or "greek," meaning "foreigner," and is not related to the color green or the pop song "Green Grows the Laurel," despite the well-known story related above. Bob Clayton |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Big Mick Date: 17 Apr 03 - 12:37 PM Bob, what is your source for this information? All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: masato sakurai Date: 17 Apr 03 - 12:43 PM "Gringo" has been discussed HERE (thread: ?Why Mexicans called them 'Gringos'?). |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: GUEST,Q Date: 17 Apr 03 - 12:58 PM The fakelore which ties Gringo to Green Grow, or the Mexican War, or something Irish is one of the hardest bits of mis-information to kill among folkists. The thread pointed out by Masato includes a posting of the word's occurrence in the "Diccionario Castellano" (1787)- "Foreigners who have a certain type of accent which keeps them from speaking easily and naturally." The word was also used in Latin America before the Mexican War (see other posts). That the word was derived from griego seems likely. |
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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads From: Deckman Date: 17 Apr 03 - 07:35 PM Hmmm? Do we have another whole new thread topic here? Bob |
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