Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Art Thieme Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:31 PM At the RECORD LADY'S good site, check out the song "HOPPY, GENE AND ME" as sung by an aging (ragged but right) Roy Rogers. It's a great song that fits right in with what we are talking about here. Also a song that I think was called "BRONCO BILL'S LAMENT" by Don McLean. Fred Holstein used to do it in Chicago all the time---back in the 1970s. (Bronco Bill's Lament is not at the Record Lady's site.) Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: GUEST,John Gray in Oz Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:22 PM Yeah EBarnacle, I met him too. He came to Australia in approx 1953 doing a store promotion. I was 6 and my mother took me in to Melbourne where I lined up in the store with a queue of boys my age. We filed past Hoppy and he shook our hands and signed a photo of himself for us. I still have mine; To John - Best Regards from Your Pardner Hoppy. I was in heaven. FME / JG |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 31 Mar 04 - 08:42 PM maybe favkerchief? Joy - I had a bunch of those records/books as well. Mostly Disney things, but we lived 40 miles from Disneyland and went once a year, so that's not surprising. By the time I was a kid, the Western had all but died on TV and in the movies they were the Spaghetti westerns and the stuff by Peckinpah - not exactly kids' fare. My parents took me to see Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid when I was about 8 (a re-release, since it came out in 1969). Also saw The Life & Times of Grizzly Adams around the same time (the movie came out before the TV show) Both were very important in my life. I still have trouble fitting into the "real" world. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Joybell Date: 31 Mar 04 - 05:25 PM Here in Australia we got those kids records of stories that had little clues in them like "when you hear Topper snort turn the page." I had a Hopalong Cassidy one. For some reason the books that should have been part of the package never made it out here. I drove my Mum mad asking her "what page?" EBarnacle, if only I still had my precious record we could get together. Would your favourite kerchief be a chiefachief, Blackcatter? Joy |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: JohnInKansas Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:16 AM Re Roy Rogers being the "good guy," I'm told he made about 5(?) movies early in his career where his part was described as "member of the gang." I've seen a couple of them on "late night" TV, years ago (when there was something on "late night" except infomercials.) None of those where he was in the bad guys' gang ever credited him so far as I could tell, but he was "unmistakeable" even then - (although he'd look like a little kid in those parts - at least to me now.) John |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Steve in Idaho Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:08 PM There was a theory that the movie "The Carpetbaggers" character Nevada Smith was in reality Hopalong Cassidy. Or rather William Boyd was Nevada Smith. There were some shady pieces to Mr. Boyd's character and background that seemed to defy, at least for me, explanation. But then again what does a 10 year old kid know? Roy Rogers began his singing career as one of the three original Sons of the Pioneers. He was the best yodeler I ever heard. Mr. Rogers also gave up drinking beer very early in his career and devoted his life to being an upright role model for children. He believed that those in highly visible positions owed their audiences more than the superficiality of the stage and screen. A rarity today - Steve |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 30 Mar 04 - 11:50 AM thanks. I love those imperfect and downright bad translations around the world. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: dianavan Date: 30 Mar 04 - 11:21 AM Blackcatter - It was lasagna with basil. The best we could figure was that it might have come from a dictionary, ie: to wave a handkerchief (lasagna being wavy) and basilic (slick) - I really have no idea. Maybe it was a joke someone played on the owner. We were very tired and although we tried very hard not to be rude, we could not stop laughing. I'm sure everyone thought we were completely nuts. d |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: EBarnacle Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:27 AM I met him once. He came to an event at the strip mall near my house in the late 50's. I recall being disappointed that his outfit was actually a dark blue instead of black, as it appeared on TV. I recently found a copy of a Hopalong Cassidy book, obviously meant for youth audience. It's the only one I've ever seen, so it is set aside for Gabriel. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Mudlark Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:13 AM I saw an excellent documentary on Hoppy not too long ago. The claim was that Wm Boyd took his role as Hoppy very seriously, knew he was a role model for kids, and never did anything (in public, anyway) to tarnish that image. He rode in the Rose Parade until in his 70's or 80's, astride Topper (who apparently lived to an increbibly venerable age) and seemed in all things to be a genuinely honerable human being and all around mensch. Hoppy was certainly my hero. I never missed a program, sitting on the floor in front of our humongous TV set with an 8 inch screen. I thot Topper was the most beautiful horse I'd ever seen, and that Lucky was very handsome (the sidekick Snuffy, or whatever his name was, seemed thrown in for comic relief). For a long time I wanted to be a cowboy when I grew up. My cowboy boots, hat and cap pistols (with holsters) were my most prized possessions. Though I prayed fervently, my parents refused to buy me a horse, or even a pony and their reasons, that we lived in an upstairs duplex and couldn't afford it, seemed weak and trifling in the face of my desperate need. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:30 PM Art - don't know how big the grandkid(s) is/are, but I might have found this year's Hallowe'en costumes: Boys outfit Girls outfit |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: SINSULL Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:56 PM The Chef's Special for tourists? I have a Hopalong Cassidy fishing rod. Picked it up at a yard sale for $5. I hated Hopalong. My brothers and I had a daily battle over Magic Cottage and Hopalong Cassidy which usually ended with Mom turning off the TV. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM dianavan - for goodness sake - what was it actually?! |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: dianavan Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:47 PM This is definitely thread drift but I have to tag on to the discussion about handkerchief and neckerchief. My daughter and I were grabbing a bite to eat while waiting for a train in Genoa. It was late but we found a little restaurant within walking distance that had an Italian/English menu. I told my daughter I would like to try the 3rd item on the menu and waited for her response. The English translation said, "Handkerchief with slick!' d |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:26 PM Yeah - you cam be infer a dollar, but not imply for a dollar - that'd be silly. If the basic form is kerchief, one around the neck a neckerchief, & when used by the hand a handkerchief, what about the following: For the nose: sneezkerchief For hiding your face for stage holdups: thiefkerchief tournequet: leakerchief headscarf: dookerchief waving goodbye from a ship: departkerchief lady dropping it on floor to attract a man's attention: flirtkerchief as a gay dating signal in the back pocket: hunkerchief |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Allan C. Date: 29 Mar 04 - 06:26 PM For most of my years I always sorta figured that if it was around your neck, it was a neckerchief. If it was used for nearly any other purpose, be it as a mask, tournequet, washcloth or blindfold, it was referred to as a bandana. If a woman wore it for decorative purposes only, it was a kerchief or scarf. That was then and this is now. The definitions seem to have broadened a lot. Ah, but what can you expect from a language that now has dictionaries that define "infer" and "imply" interchangeably. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Joybell Date: 29 Mar 04 - 06:06 PM "Neckerchief" here too. I still call them that. I had a Hopalong Cassidy outfit too, Art, with a cap pistol and all. I was five at the time. My dad converted my tricycle into a horse with legs down alongside the wheels. I wanted to be a cowBOY until I was about 13. Joy |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Little Robyn Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:34 PM Mr Happy Roy Rogers didn't do a lot of sinning - he was the good guy, but he certainly was a prolific singer along with his wife Dale. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:59 PM still have my Hoppy cereal bowl, though the picture at the bottom is a little faded |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:02 PM Attractive site, but it appears to be primarily for the selling of merchandise. I didn't see any lyrics. There's a midi of the theme song, but when I tried to open it, it crashed my system. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Wesley S Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:37 AM When in doubt try www.hopalongcassidy.com |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:02 AM neckerchief: \Neck"er*chief\, n. [For neck kerchief.] A kerchief for the neck; -- called also neck handkerchief. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:01 AM Neckerchief or bandana - both were common names when I was a kid. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:14 AM Rawhide I also like the Blues Brother version. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: IanC Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:26 AM Neckerchief ... think Neck-Kerchief as in Hand-Kerchief. :-) |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:45 AM Yep when I was in the Boy Scouts it was called a neckerchief. John |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Padre Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:41 AM Blackcatter - I'd guess the album dated from about 1950-51. Padre |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:18 AM Neckerchief - shouldn't it be bandanna? Albeit originally from the Anglö-Indian, it was used for the cowboys' neckgear, too, so I am told. |
Subject: Lyr Add: RAWHIDE (Washington/Tiompkin) From: Mr Happy Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:35 AM Here's another of those old time tv theme songs I enjoyed: "Rawhide" music by Dimitri Tiompkin with lyrics by Ned Washington (Performed by Frankie Lane) Keep movin', movin', movin', Though they're disapprovin', Keep them dogies movin', rawhide. Don't try to understand 'em, Just rope 'em, throw, and brand 'em. Soon we'll be livin' high and wide. My heart's calculatin', My true love will be waitin', Be waitin' at the end of my ride. Move 'em on, head 'em up, Head 'em up, move 'em on, Move 'em on, head 'em up, rawhide! Head 'em out, ride 'em in, Ride 'em in, let 'em out, Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, rawhide! Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', Though the streams are swollen, Keep them dogies rollin', rawhide. Through rain and wind and weather, Hell bent for leather, Wishin' my gal was by my side. All the things I'm missin', Good vittles, love and kissin', Are waiting at the end of my ride. Move 'em on, head 'em up, Head 'em up, move 'em on, Move 'em on, head 'em up, rawhide! Head 'em out, ride 'em in, Ride 'em in, let 'em out, Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, rawhide! RAWHIDE!!! yee-hah!! |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Mr Happy Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:24 AM i regularly perform one of his biggest hits: 'Four Legged Fiend' |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Mr Happy Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:22 AM didn't Roy Rogers sin too? |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: kendall Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:17 AM I preferred Gene Autry. He could sing. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Little Robyn Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:59 AM I can only remember the last 2 lines - He can ride and fight for everything that's right That's Hopalong Cassidy. Or something like that. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:54 AM But back to Hopalong Cassidy. When I lived in Fresno (the armpit of California) in the late 1970's, the local Producers Milk was labelled "Hoppy's Favorite," and his picture was every carton. The last time I looked at a carton was not all that long ago - and Hoppy was still there. Is Hopalong Cassidy still a hot property? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Mr Happy Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:42 AM Clint Eastwood- The Anagram: Ted Slowaction!! |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:43 AM Here's an old thread about TV Western themes: Songs from TV Westerns |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:29 AM You bet :-) |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:16 AM Ah, that's cool. I'm 37. My mom decided 11 was old enough, which was annoying because only 2 years before, we figured out that we could get one of the parents to drive a bunch of us kids to the wealthier neighborhoods a few miles away to get better loot. My dad lived in Chicago until 1955. He lived walking distance to Comiskey. He went there a lot too. He wouldn't allow me to visit Wrigley while he was still alive, and even though he passed 13 years ago, I still haven't been. It's one of only 5 current parks I haven't seen an MLB game in. By the way, my dad's favorite cowboy was William S. Hart from the silent screen. Mine is Clint, though I have a picture of Roy Rogers holding me when I was 4 or so. And I still have the autographed photo of Bill Hart my dad received circa 1920. Wow - talk about thread drift. . . |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Art Thieme Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:54 AM Blackcatter, I lived in a 14 story building (but no 13th floor) with 3 tiers of elevators. On Halloween the kids really tied up the elevators. The stairs were pretty crowded too. We never bothered to go outside when it was cold---unless we went to another highrise. --- This was walking distance from Wrigley Field. -------- I'm 62 now and I went trick-or treating last year--------------------with my granddaughter. ;-) Art |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:37 AM Blackcatter Whatever is easiest. A lot of people tend to do Vill - nice and short. |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:23 AM Hey there, Do you prefer to be refered to as "The Villan," "Villan," or "The?" TV Theme lyrics is something I know a fair bit about. Padre - do you know the approximate age of that album? I think the lyrics are worth putting on my site. Art - How many years did you go trick-or-treating? My mom made me stop by 11. Never was a cowboy of any sort - though a couple years ago I dressed as the first lines of The Joker. . . |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Art Thieme Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:47 AM NECKERCHIEF !! Is that a real word? I seem to remember that's what we called it. Art |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Art Thieme Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:44 AM I had that whole Hopalong Cassidy outfit. The black shirt and pants, the white hat, the neckerchief with the cow skull slip-thing. And both my brother and I had Hoppy bedspreads. I wore that outfit for 3 or 4 consecutive Halloweens I think. The cap pistol got me lots o' trick-or-treat candy. I was nine, ten and eleven --maybe twelve too in 1949 to '53. My dad died when I was five and I went into a depression that was probably why I was one of the few kids who flunked and had to repeat Kindergarten. I think it was the adventures with Hoppy that pulled me out of it. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:25 AM :-) |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Padre Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:16 AM I had a Hopalong Cassiday record album which had a song on it that was sung by a young sidekick of HC named 'Lucky' The words went something like this: "There's a man you've seen on the televison screen Who's the kind I'd like to be He can ride and shoot, and he's plenty smart to boot, That's Hopalong Cassiday BRIDGE: For I am just a cowboy, with neither aims nor goals I need a pal to lean upon, to teach me right from wrong I am full of pride when he's riding by my side Or he spends some time with me He will be my friend until the very end That's Hopalong Cassiday." Another sign of a mispent youth? Padre |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:04 AM You are forgiven :-) |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: dianavan Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:00 AM Who cares about Hopalong! The Cisco Kid was my favorite but I can't remember the tune. All I can remember is the ending. "Oh, Cisco." "Oh, Pancho." This is definitely thread drift. Sorry about that. d |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 04 - 11:46 PM Blimey I didn't expect such a quick response. Many thanks and keep it coming. John are you able to expand on that? At least at the moment my friend will be able to rest in his bed knowing that his long term memory hasn't let him down. :-) |
Subject: RE: Hopalong cassidy From: kendall Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:28 PM I believe Hopalong Cassidy was create by a guy from Maine, as was the author of M.A.S.H. |
Subject: Lyr Add: MULE TRAIN (Lange, Heath, Glickman) From: Blackcatter Date: 28 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM By the way, here's the lyrics to Mule Train -Artist: Frankie Laine as sung on "Mairzy Doats 44 Wacky Hits" -MCA Records MSD2-35180/GMD 80041 -peak Billboard position # 1 for 6 weeks in 1949 -competing versions charted by Bing Crosby (#4), Tennessee Ernie Ford (#9), -Vaughn Monroe (#10), and Gordon MacRae (#14) -sung by Vaughn Monroe in the movie "Singing Guns" and by Gene Autry in "Mule Train" -nominated for an Academy Award -Words and Music by Johnny Lange, Hy Heath, and Fred Glickman (Hyah, hyah) Mule train!! (Hyah, hyah) Mule train!! Clippety cloppin' over hill and plain Seems as how they never stop, clippety clop, clippety clop Clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety cloppin' along There's a plug o'chaw tobacky for a rancher in Corona A ghee-tar for a cowboy 'way out in Arizona A dress of calico for a pretty Navajo Get along, mule! , get along Mule train!! (Hyah, hyah) Mule train!! Clippety cloppin' o'er the mountain chain Soon they're gonna reach the top, clippety clop, clippety clop Clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety cloppin' along There's some cotton thread and needles for the folks in way-out-yonder A shovel for a miner who left his home to wander Some rheumatism pills for the settlers in the hills Get along, mule!! , get along Mule train!! (Hyah, hyah) Mule train!! Clippety cloppin' through the wind and rain They'll keep goin' till they drop, clippety clop, clippety clop Clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety, clippety cloppin' along There's a letter full of sadness trimmed with black around the border A pair of boots for someone who had them made to order A bible in the pack for the Reverend Mr. Black Get along, mule! , get along Get along, mule, get along!! (mule train) (Hyah, hyah) (Hyah, hyah) |
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