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Lyr Add: Some new(?) Scottish songs For DT In Mudcat MIDIs: The Bonny Earl of Moray (The song that gave us the word "mondegreen") The Earl of Moray (The song that gave us the word "mondegreen") |
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Subject: Lyr Add: CAULD KAIL IN ABERDEEN etc. From: John in Brisbane Date: 04 Oct 98 - 09:54 PM Have listed below lyrics for a few songs that I couldn't find in the database. I have the melodies for most of them and will post when I am assured that I am not duplicating previous effort. Mr Greenhaus, can you please remind me how to search the off-line database for lyrics with missing tunes. That's how I got started on this - I was really trying to fill in some missing tunes. Joe, I hope my HTML is improving.
Regards NO MELODY THE BONNIE EARL OF MORAY^^^
Ye Hielan's an' ye Lowlan's
2. Now way be to thee, Huntly
3. Ye Hielan's and ye Lowlan's Huntly had a commission to apprehend the Earl, who was in the disgrace of James VI. Huntly, as an ally of Bothwell, asked him to surrender at Donibristle, in Fife; he would not yield to his private enemy, the house was burned, and Murray was slain, Huntly gashing his face. "You have spoiled a better face than your own," said the dying Earl (1592). James Melville mentions contemporary ballads on the murder.
See "BONNY EARL OF MURRAY" in DigiTrad. -JoeClone, 19-Jun-01.
NO MELODY
CAULD KAIL IN ABERDEEN^^
Cauld kail in Aberdeen
2. My coggie, Sirs, my coggie, Sirs,
3. There's Johnie Smith has got a wife
4. My coggie, Sirs, my coggie, Sirs,
5. There's cauld kail in Aberdeen,
6. The lasses about Bogie gicht
7. Wow, Aberdeen, what did you mean,
8. For lasses now are nae sae blate
COME TO CALVARY'S HOLY MOUNTAIN^^
Come to Calvary's holy mountain,
2. Come in poverty and meanness,
3. Come in sorrow and contrition,
4. He that drinks shall live forever;
THE DE'IL'S AWA WI' TH' EXCISEMAN^^^
The deil cam fiddlin thro' the town
2. We'll mak our maut and we'll brew our drink,
3. There's threesome reels, there's foursome reels,
See "THE DEIL CAM FIDDLIN THRO THE TOWN" in DigiTrad. -JoeClone, 19-Jun-01.
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FLORA MACDONALD'S LAMENT^^
Far over yon hills of the heather so green
2. The moorcock that craws on the brow of Ben Connal
3. The target is torn from the arm of the just
GLENWHORPLE HIELANDERS^^^
There's a braw fine regiment as ilka mon should ken,
CHO: Heuch! Glenwhorple Hielan'men!
2. They were foonded by McAdam, who of a' men was the fairst,
3. When the waters o'the deluge drookit a' the whole world o'er.
4. Then syne he sent a corporal, and gert him find the land
5. When good King Solomon was ruler o' the Glen,
6. Then there came a birkie bangster, who was chieftain o'the Clan,
7. When the bonnie pipes are skirlin', an' the lads are on parade
8. Eh, a bonnie sicht they mak', when the canteen they gang ben
JESSIE, THE FLOWER OF DUNBLANE^^
The sun has gane down o'er the lofty Ben Lomond
2. She's modest as on-y and blythe as she's bonnie
3. How lost were my days till I met wi' my Jessie
LASSIE LIE NEAR ME^^^
Lang have we parted been,
CHO: Near me, near me,
2. All that I have endured,
3. If in the spring we meet,
See "LADDIE LIE NEAR ME (4)" in DigiTrad. -JoeClone, 19-Jun-01.
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LOCHNAGAR^^
Away, ye gay landscapes, ye gardens of roses,
2. Ah! there my young footsteps in infancy wander'd,
3. Years have roll'd on, Lochnagar, since I left you! |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Oct 98 - 09:57 PM Hi, John - well, it took me about half an hour to edit your post. Take a lesson from the Sorcerer's Apprentice - don't use HTML commands that you don't understand. (grin) They were good songs, though, so I didn't mind editing them. A few of pointers for posting lyrics might be in order: 1. Use header tags and large fonts very sparingly (h1, h2, h3, etc.) Using the <big> or <strong> commands should be enough to give emphasis to a title. The <small> command is quite nice for comments. Be sure to close off those commands with a slash at the end of the text you want emphasized, as in </small>.But, John, I know your heart was in the right place, so don't worry about it. -Joe Offer- You asked about how to tell if there's a tune for songs in the personal computer edition of the database - in the lists of songs that you pull up on searches, the songs that have tunes are marked with an asterisk. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Oct 98 - 12:49 PM "The De'el's awa with the excise man" and "Bonny Earl of Murray" are already in DT. "Jessie, the Flower of Dunblane" is by Robert Tannahill with music by R. A. Smith. "Flora McDonald's Lament" is James Hogg's reworking of a translation from Gaelic given to Hogg by Niel Gow. It's in vol. 2 of 'Jacobite Relics of Scotland', 1821, with the tune. "Lassie lie near me" is in Scots Musical Museum, with the tune 'Laddie lie near me', as noted in a recent thread. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: John in Brisbane Date: 05 Oct 98 - 11:07 PM Joe - you're bloody marvellous. Thanks for your patience.
I was chasing the DOS syntax to (say) look for @scots songs without an asterisk, with a view to filling in the gaps of missing tunes.
Bruce, thanks for knowledgable response. I would never have known to look for Murray in lieu of Moray. Don't know how I missed 'excise'.
Joe, when I get a chance to work on these tunes, would you mind if I send as part of one thresd - or should I email them to you.
Regards |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Oct 98 - 01:33 AM Oh, John - that was another thing I was going to mention. It might be better not to make your messages quite so long. If they need to be edited, it's a lot easier to fix a shorter message. Best thing to do is post the lyrics in MIDITXT - right here in this thread, so Dick and the rest of us can find them together. If you need help with MIDITXT, give me a holler. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: skw@ Date: 06 Oct 98 - 04:48 AM I've only ever seen 'Cauld Kail in Aberdeen' listed as 'Trad', but I suppose it WAS written by Robert Burns? Does anyone know when and where it was first published? Also, my (or rather, The Corries') version of 'Dark Lochnagar' has this third verse: Ill-starred, though brave, did no visions foreboding "Years have rolled on ..." is their fourth verse. I think all four verses are in the Penguin Book of Scottish Verse (1970). - Susanne |
Subject: Tune Add: JESSIE, THE FLOWER OF DUNBLANE From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Oct 98 - 11:41 PM Hre's the tune for Jessie, The Flower of Dunblane.
MIDI file: dunblane.mid Timebase: 384 TimeSig: 6/8 96 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Bruce O. Date: 07 Oct 98 - 06:21 PM There's more than one song and tune "Cauld Kail in Aberdeen", but I know little about these, and Murray on Saltspring is the one to comment on these. My comment here is just an excuse to bring this to the top in hopes that Murray might see it. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: skw@ Date: 12 Oct 98 - 03:18 AM Thanks, Bruce. I do hope Murray will respond for I have some difficulties with the song. I only heard it once and didn't know the title then. But the words were the ones John sent, for I remember the singer, Tony Cuffe, commenting that the 'Reel o' Bogie' was 'some kind of horizontal dancing ...'. BTW, I used to think the name of the place was spelt Strathbogie. - Susanne |
Subject: Tune Add: THE EARL OF MORAY From: alison Date: 12 Oct 98 - 06:46 AM Hi John Here's the tune fro the "Earl of Moray" Slainte alison
MIDI file: EARLMORA.MID Timebase: 480 Name: THE EARL OF MORAY This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Susan of DT Date: 12 Oct 98 - 02:28 PM John - If you have a DOS disk verison of the DT, use the title search for @Scots. Let the full list develop by hitting page down as it fills up pages. Then go to return to be able to see the whole list. Those without asterisks, as Joe mentioned, do not have tunes entered. If you own the full askSam program, you can run a report on songs without tunes. I had Dick make me such a list (all songs, not just Scots) a year or so ago. If you want a copy, I have it in excel 5 and can send it to you. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE CAULD KAIL OF ABERDEEN From: Bruce O. Date: 12 Oct 98 - 06:33 PM James Maidment found a version of "Cauld Kail of Aberdeen" in a manuscript in the Advocates Library in Edinburgh and published it in 'Ane Pleasant Garland', 1835, and it was reprinted from that in J. S. Farmer's 'Merry Songs and Ballads'. The manuscript (now NLS MS Adv. 19.1.13) is a collection of sheets from many sources bound together, and it's not posible to put a precise date on much in it. Some pieces are of the 17th century, and near the end are some printed broadside sheets, one of which is as late as 1756. The handwritten contents seem to me to range from c 1680 - 1730.
David Herd gave a version of the song in his 'Scots Songs', 1776, II, p. 205, which differs slightly from the MS copy. There is a longer (purified and padded) version in 'Scots Musical Museum', II, #162, where the tune first appeared. There isn't a version in the original 1799 edition of 'The Merry Muses of Caledonian', but a version under the title "The Reels of Bogie" appeared in the c 1827 edition.
[A few of my readings in the MS copy, as given below, differ from Maidment's, but usually agree with Herd's text.] [Dancing, like 'kissing', is a common euphemism; Dancing- Reel of Bogie, Reel of Stumpy, the Dirry-dan, the Shaking of the Sheets.] The Cald kail of Aberdene
Wow Aberdeen what did ye mean
[There are a few other songs from this MS on my website. There is more than one tune called "The Reel of Bogie", but the only one I have doesn't fit this song.] |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: John in Brisbane Date: 12 Oct 98 - 07:01 PM Hi Susan - thanks for the feedback. A few points if I may:
- I love the DOS version of the DT. It's very quick, it's free, it'll run on the most ancient of PC's, and you can work offline. Bust most importantly it gives a concise list of songs with attributes, such as "give me all the @bawdy @irish songs that don't have a tune attached to them.
- In a previous thread (somewhere?) Dick did detail the syntax for doing such a search (esp. the "no tune" bit), but I can't relocate it. I think it involved the use of curly brackets!
- A LOT of Scottish songs do not have @scots in the references. In order to contribute the songs above I did the search for @scots and initially had about 80 songs on my contribution list. A secondary search of the entire whittled this list down to about 10.
Regards |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: Alice Date: 22 Oct 98 - 11:05 AM I purchased Jean Redpath's volumes of Robert Burns songs (vol.1-6, and there is also a 7th) in order to learn some of the more obscure Burns songs for his birthday celebration in January. Of course... I bought them through the Mudcat link to a music site in order to support this forum... start your Christmas shopping early, Mudcatters!
I was going to start a Robert Burns thread, but an initial forum search brought up this thread title that is appropriate. There are 75 songs in the Volumes 1-6 that Jean Redpath recorded. They include excellent historical background, excerpts from his letters regarding each song, and the complete lyrics. I highly recommend these recordings to anyone interested in Scottish Songs.
Regarding the discussion of Cauld Kail In Aberdeen, it says in Volume 1,
Excerpt from a letter by Burns regarding this song:
The CD notes have 8 verses to Cauld Kail in Aberdeen.
One of my favorites on this CD is "Country Lassie". I could not find it in the DT. Dick and Susan, do you want it in this thread, or should I start another one called Robert Burns or Country Lassie? alice in montana |
Subject: Tune Add: GLENWHORPLE HIELANDERS From: John in Brisbane Date: 17 Nov 98 - 02:15 AM GLENWHORPLE HIELANDERS
MIDI file: glenwhor.mid Timebase: 24 Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: dick greenhaus Date: 17 Nov 98 - 01:08 PM The Web version of the DT uses the phrase CLICK HERE TO PLAY. For a listing of songs without tunes, try {NOT} [*CLICK HERE*] The asterisks are because there are nome non-printing characters preceding and possibly following the words; the square brackets indicate a phrase and the curly brackets together with NOT or OR indicate a Boolean command. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD:Some New? Scottish Songs For DT From: John in Brisbane Date: 17 Nov 98 - 06:56 PM Thanks Dick. |
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