Busted Kyser Capos ???

Subject: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:36 PM

They have a one year warrenty, sure... but I've never had one last so little time... But eventually, that little spring dealy in the middle is gonna snap, and BAND, it's dead!

So the question is this... what, if anything has anyone come up with to do with their old busted ones? Seems like they might be good for SOMETHING more than landfill...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:38 PM

that should read "BANG it's dead"

The ability to edit ones own posts is a standard feature on ANY MB worth its salt...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Mooh
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:46 PM

Carry a spare, preferably a Shubb. The only Kyser breakdown I've had was caused by the pin breaking, not the spring.

I've got parts and I rehab them once in a while with new rubber but never a spring.

I've got a spring if you need one.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:57 PM

If you get used to Shubb capos, you will soon forget about Kyser. Trust me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 03:58 PM

As I take two guitars to gigs, and each have their own capo, it's not very likely that BOTH Kysers are gonna fail on the same night... A Shubb would make a good back-up though, cause they're small... Buyt Kysers are my prefered capo..

Pin? The long straight piece that goes up the inside of the back of the capo? Is that what ya mean? To me, that's part of the spring... Or do you mean the hinge spring? Cause I've NEVER had one of those bust... heh

I've also never had to replace the rubber... the spring goes first...

crud... -I- can't even get the old spring 'coil' out of the old one...

Any tricks?

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 04:05 PM

Maybe I should go back to typing class....

Thanks for the input LH, but I'm a Kyser man...

People try to tell me that Martins are better too, but I'm stuck on Seagull...

Different strokes eh...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 04 - 04:55 PM

I can't see how you can move a Shubb around one handed in the middle of a set - I just haven't got the dexterity.

"Replacing the rubber" on a Kyser - that's a new one on me. How do you go about that? It could be handy, because I've found in time the rubber deteriorates and gets all spongy. Other than that, I think they'd last for ever.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:02 PM

I think they mean the sorta clear rubber piece at the back of the 'pinch'... not the part against the fret-board...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:08 PM

Do other people leave that on?

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:17 PM

I'vew use Kysers for years and never had one bust.

Fabulous service.

Possible abuse on your part?

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:54 PM

No Martin... it's the fact that mine are used sometimes 3, 4, or 5 nights a week...   It's simple work-hardening of the spring, and one day, snap... done... Like repeated bending of a coat-hanger.. eventually the wire loses its 'flex' and just snaps....   Even using them 3 to 5 nights a week, the DO last years... but eventually they do die...

I resent the 'abuse' implication on your part for that matter...

:-|

McGoH?? You mean you take yers off? Doesn't that gouge the HELL outa the back of the neck of yer guitar??????

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:54 PM

I have a Kyser I use on my Martin. The Kyser is getting tossed before it breaks. I'll probably keep the Martin tho' and switch back to a Shubb.

Don

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:55 PM

Toss it over here then DM!

:-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: GUEST,Botticelli
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:01 PM

Gaffer a length of dowel to the back end of the Keyser, to make it longer (increases leverage).
Good for quick changes, as well.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: GUEST,Botticelli
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:03 PM

... sorry... scrub that ... tape the dowel to the front end of the capo (the 'curly' bit)!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: C-flat
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:06 PM

Only problem I've ever had with a Kyser was the spring losing tension, but only after years of service.
I always carry a couple to a gig but never had to use the back-up.



Was that the kiss of death or what?!!!

I'm almost guaranteed to waste three capos in the next two weeks now I've said that!


C-flat.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Amos
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:27 PM

Clinton:

As you know, the Kyser capo has a long rigid member with ornamental curves on it. And you come to this forum and ask people what you could possibly do with such an item...you ,with your reputation for searing frankness and adversarial suggestions. My God, man...do you honestly expect that no-one is going to tell you where to put the goddamned thing?

Well....I hate to deflower your bubble, bubba, but you could always just leave it rammed into the trash can at the coffee shop, or put it up your sleeve.

A

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:33 PM

"Doesn't that gouge the HELL outa the back of the neck of yer guitar?????? "

No. Maybe my guitars have tougher necks or something.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: GUEST,foolestroupe
Date: 31 May 04 - 07:24 PM

"The ability to edit ones own posts is a standard feature on ANY MB worth its salt... "

It's called the 'preview button' mate...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 04 - 07:39 PM

Ya've never previewed and still missed a typo?

Wish I was as cool as you....

That doesn't change the fact that this place could join the 20th Century wen it come to MB features... But that has NOTHING to do with this thread...

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McGoH... maybe eh... Myself I can't imagine Kysering without that rubber dealy on the back-side of hte neck....

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Amos... blow me...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Amos
Date: 31 May 04 - 08:38 PM

Oh, well, if yer gonna be like that you can just shove the damn capo up your royal Irish arse, mate!! :>)

There -- that better?? :>)) I don't usually go in for that kinda language but I am trying to learn.

A

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 May 04 - 08:40 PM

Clinton Hammond

I give a rat's ass if you resent it. Hook the damn thing in your ass then.

Kyser's are just fine with me. Treat them well and they will be good to you just like anything else. I use mine everyday.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 12:30 AM

My money's on Hammond LOL

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 02:16 AM

I like Kysers. I've owned 3. Bought the third one when the spring broke in my first one. I still have it. I e-mailed Kyser about a replacement spring. Here's the reply I got:

  Dear Sir: 
   You Capo has A warranty that states if your capo fails within one year, send it back to us with $3.00.
  After a year: $10.00
  
    Kyser Musical Products 
    28141 State Hwy 64
    Canton TX 75103
  

Never sent it yet. But I may. Another new one will set me back locally damn near 30 bucks Canadian.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 07:27 PM

I had one break: the spring snapped. After a quantity of trying to figure out how to send $10 to the USA fromt he UK by a method that would not cost me more then the price of a new Kyser, I approached the importers. Result: a new one, free. This was after about 5 years.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 02:46 AM

I always buy the 12 string versions - working on the theory that they must be stronger. I've never had one bust, but then again i have four or five cpos on the go in various cases and on coffee tables around the house. I used to lose a lot of capos - but not so much since I stopped drinking.

rob Armstong , the guitar maker once said to me, we should all pay into a central fund and be allowed to pick up a capo whenever we see one. At the time I was stunned by the clarity of this vision, but as i get older I realise two fund holders might see the same capo and want it at the same time.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 12:56 PM

bad bet, ebbie.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:10 PM

No one has yet answered the question asked above: How does one replace the string-pressure rubber cushion when it's worn out? What kind of material, available where?

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:23 PM

You mean the nearly clear rubber piece on the bit of the capo tatht goes behind the neck?

I'm pretty sure Kyser offers replacements... or you could collect Kysers whose springs have broken and take them from there...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Mooh
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 02:13 PM

If you want it to look original I suppose the source is best, but I've used a piece of hydraulic hose to good effect. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 02:51 PM

Kyser does offer replacements and I remember this is mentioned how to get them on the packaging they come with, if you saved it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 03:12 PM

*checks packaging*

One year warranty... as mentioned above...

Warranty Validation... Blah blah blah...

Additional Information...

"If after one year you believe your capo needs repair, we will actually replace it with a brand new capo for only $10 US. Just mail use the caop and a check and we will forward you a replacement promptly..."

So no longer does the packaging mention replacement rubbers for Kysers...   But 10 bucks will always get you a new capo...

So I guess THAT'S what I'm gonna do with my old busted one...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 03:19 PM

But according to the web site (http://www.kysermusical.com) you CAN buy replacement 'sleeves' for 50 cents each...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 06:41 PM

Or just get some old surgical tubing, cut a short length off and slide it on the capo foot.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 06:48 PM

But you can't do anything about replacing the bit of rubber that presses on the strings?

Anything you can do to make it less likely to go all spongy and useless?

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 06:49 PM

McGoH...

They also sell those

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 06:51 PM

Mine has grooves from the strings. I get a buzz, which I strongly suspect is because of the condition of what I'll call the pressure pad.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 07:16 PM

Don't leave it on the guitar UD...

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 07:59 PM

On the other hand, so long as the grooves aren't too developed, they can reduce any tendency to put the guitar out of tune when you capo up. Especially on the bass strings - Rick Fielding recommended cutting a groove for teh bass E at least, but I've found that the Keyer seems to do that for you itself, if you leave it on the strings.

I think it's probably a good idea to leave the capo on the strings when you buy it, and then, once the grooves are settled in, start removing it from the fretboard, when you aren't using it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: GUEST,banjoman
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:40 AM

I bought a couple of Kysers about 12 years ago . No trouble & still in regular use.
Did you know that the "curly bit" of decoration acts as a bridge pin remover. Thats what I was told & it seems to work on my instruments.
I suspect that the cost of a suitable spring and the problem of fitting it is not worth the hassle. Cheaper to buy a new one

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 08:38 PM

Not sure what you folks are referring to. I've got Kysers I've been using steadily for 5 or 6 years and they have no grooves on them at all. The rubber sleeve on the foot of the capo wears out and rips, but that is easily fixed.

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 10:31 PM

I just send 'em back with $10 and get a new one.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Tech: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: ArRed
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 03:31 PM

We re-did the wooden floor to the stage in the music show where I work and used black rubberized tile squares. I was making a partial capo out of a Kyser I had and used a piece of the black rubberized tile square scrap and some CA glue. Works like a charm. If you are really wanting "factory replacement" I would go with the guy that says send it back to Kyser with $10 and they wills send you a new one. Milt Kyser is a neat guy. Always trying to make a better capo.

Arkansas Red

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 03:48 PM

" I would go with the guy that says send it back to Kyser with $10 and they wills send you a new one."

They don't even do that any more... You send the busted one to them, they send you a new one...

But ya gotta talk to them like they're 4 years old... I send them 3 busted ones... they sent me 2 replacements... after saying they were gonna send me 3...

I hadda email 'em back and give 'em a gentle boot to get my 3rd...

:-)

"I've been using steadily for 5 or 6 years and they have no grooves on them at all"
Probably because you don't leave them on the guitar for long periods of time...

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 03:54 PM

Why would I leave them on the guitar for long periods? They stay on the strings for as long as the song takes, then I take it off and either clamp it on the headstock or at a new place on the fretboard for the next song.

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM

Never experienced a kyser breakdown. But do stay away from Dunlops, unless you want a heavy duty clothespin.

Anyone know of the Elliot push button guitar capo ... they're very pricey, but are they worth it?

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 04:23 PM

"Why would I leave them on the guitar for long periods?"

Sorry... that was my point... but I've seen a LOT of people who do leave 'em on... and I suspect that is what wears 'em out quicker...

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 04:27 PM

Oh.

Well, if you were going to leave a capo on all the time, then a Kyser probably wouldn't be your best choice, IMO. They are a quick-change capo. That's their strength. Try another type.

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 04:31 PM

I don't think leaving ANY capo on for a long time is a good idea... but that's just me

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM

Moi aussi.

Subject: RE: Busted Kyser Capos ???
From: breezy
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:05 AM

at $10 you shouldnt complain

I am sponsored by G7th after road testing one for 4 months .

My reserve is the shubb

but the G7th does not affect the tuning so much

You pay for quality