Peter Bellamy recordings?

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: del boy
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 02:47 PM

could any one tell me what chords for fair annie iv got it in D , but its not wright i think maybe G

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: cptsnapper
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:10 PM

It would be nice if someone could re-release " Won't You Go My Way ", the live album which Peter made with Louis Killen in 1972.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Reinhard
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 05:51 AM

Fellside has now re-issued Peter Bellamy's first three LPs (Mainly Norfolk, Fair England's Shore, The Fox Jumps over the Parson's Gate) as a double CD called Fair England's Shore.

Reinhard

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 06:13 AM

And it's been nominated at one of FRoots's Cds of the year in the "Best Re-issue" category:

FRoots critics' poll

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 06:43 AM

And you can still see my wee film which unites Peter's recording of The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate with the Randolph Caldecott picture book that inspired it: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQMsONIwng

Note: the recording here is sourced from the original vinyl long before there was ever a whisper of a CD reissue in any shape or form.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Peadar (formerly) of Portsmouth
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 10:49 AM

Does anyone have updated contact information for Jenny Bellamy? We're trying to get permission for Roll Down and the email listed above isn't working.

Thanks,

Peter
www.mudhook.net

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:05 PM

Just to mention that backsleeve pic on LP Both Sides Then & photo of Anthea on Bill Shute & Lisa Null's American Primitive are credited to my late wife Valerie; & the former is, I understand, reproduced in booklet of a recent CD reissue of The Transports.

~Michael Grosvenor Myer~

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,susanc
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:10 PM

I am looking for the track listings on "Oak & Ash & Thorn". Apparently it has been re-released finally and I can't find what songs are on it anywhere. I'm assuming "King Richard's Song" and the title song but have no idea what the rest are.

Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 01:31 PM

There you go, Susan:

Oak Ash Thorn tracklisting

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Susanc
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 10:37 PM

Spleen Cringe, I knew this was the place to go to find out what was on the album. Thank's so much. I think I'll purchase it in the future.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Speedwell
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 06:37 AM

Also available now on CD is Peter Bellamy's Merlin's Isle of Gramarye - for those without record decks in their cars!

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:12 AM

BOth Oak Ash and Thorn and Merlin's Isle of Gramarye are available from CAMSCO at considerably lower prices than Amazon is charging.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:32 AM

I saw MIOG in HMV the other day for £15. Amazon are doing them for under a tenner. CAMSCO don't have it listed. Neither of the new editions have any additional material to prod the cash-strapped punter into purchase. I've mixed feelings about additional material anyway, but the Fellside reissue of Keep on Kipling was a hatchet job interpersing the original perfect album sequence with re-recordings of several of the Puck Songs; improved, perhaps, but hardly part of the sequence of what remains the finest of Bellamy's Kipling albums. He certainly he thought so. I won my vinyl copy off him at a raffle and asked him to make the choice. He handed me the deluxe vinyl edition of KOK and said it was the best thing he'd ever done, and I have to agree - although the dark chthonic allure of MIOG will never be matched in terms of ritual atmos and genuine chill. I've got one of PB's old self-bootlegged cassette editions on prominent display as a small object of veneration...

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Reinhard
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 01:29 PM

According to several stories I've read here, Bellamy seems to have used the line of the best thing he'd ever done for any album sold to any punter.

So why is the programming order on the original Keep on Kipling album perfect and the addition of further tracks a "hatchet job"? Just because it hasn't been done by God, er, Bellamy himself? I think this term is grossly inappropriate and unfair. It might have been a proper assessment if the remastering had been poorly done, but sheesh, just for adding some tracks? Why don't you just program your CD player to play the LP tracks in their original order and ignore the extra tracks?

I, for one, am very happy to have all these songs in excellent quality now.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:31 PM

point of information.
CAMSCO's website isn't always exactly up-to-date. I'm only (make that barely) human. We get $15 (US) for Merlin's Isle of Gramarye, and the same for Oak Ash and Thorn. We ship world-wide (and we can ship sans jewel cases, if you prefer, to keep shipping costs down.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 04:38 PM

Keep On Kipling is mostly an ensemble (trio) work and has definite feel to it from start to finish. I've no objection to the extra songs as extras after the album sequence but they don't have the same feel as the album tracks and to mix them seems to me just plain wrong somehow. And who has time to re-programme their CD player? Which ain't much use in the car.

I must add, this is a minor gripe over what is an excellent package. If you only own one PB CD, then this has to be it.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 01:01 AM

==According to several stories I've read here, Bellamy seems to have used the line of the best thing he'd ever done for any album sold to any punter ====
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Ah well, that was Pete. He didn't mean it dishonestly, he thought it was true at the time. He would say the same sort of thing about his comtemp fellow singers ~~ among those I recall his declaring 'about the best of the lot of us' were Nic Jones, Martin Carthy, Mike Waterson, Paul Brady...

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Reinhard
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:35 AM

I've just noticed on the Fellside news page an entry from last December stating "We're most definitely looking forward to 2011 with the very latest news that we've completed negotiations for [lots of other interesting albums and] Peter Bellamy's 'Barrack Room Ballads'". One more on its way to CD reissue... I would guess that this one might be available in September for the 20th anniversary of Peter Bellamy's death.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Speedwell
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 08:52 AM

Let's hope so Reinhard, it would be a great way to mark that date. Many thanx for the info. - I look forward to hearing BRB on CD.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Reinhard
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 12:59 PM

I just saw on the Fellside website that they are now selling Peter Bellamy's 'Barrack Room Ballads'. It is a double CD; the 12 tracks on the second CD seem to come from 'Soldiers Three'.

Subject: RE: Let's Talk Bellamy
From: Speedwell
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:56 PM

I'm trying to find a copy of Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs by Peter Bellamy. There was one on ebay a while back but I wasn't successful with my bid. Otherwise it seems to be pretty much unattainable. Anyone any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Subject: seek: Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:54 PM

I got an e-mail from somebody seeking a 1989 Peter Bellamy album titled Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs.

There are several Bellamy albums available on Spotify, and I think I have a couple Bellamy recordings of his arrangements of Kipling poems, but that name doesn't sound familiar.

One is a 2012 album titled "Peter Bellamy Sings the Barrack-Room Ballads of Rudyard Kipling" - I don't know what albums these are drawn from. The other is a 2001 album titled "Mr. Bellamy, Mr. Kipling, & the Tradition." It includes two complete earlier albums, "Keep On Kipling" and "Songs an' Rummy Conjurin' Tricks."

This link might help: http://www.slipcue.com/music/international/celtic/artists/bellamy.html

Also look at this one from Mudcatter Reinhard Zierke:
http://mainlynorfolk.info/peter.bellamy/records/rudyardkiplingmadeexceedinglygoodsongs.html

Also see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bellamy

No definite info on Exceedingly Good Songs, but it's a start.

So, back to the original question: Is Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs available on CD or MP3??

-Joe-

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Here is track information from Reinhard Zierke's Website:

Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs
Peter Bellamy

Dambuster Records DAM 019 (LP, UK, 1989)

Recorded by Nigel Schofield;
Cover design by Peter Bellamy, based on a woodcut which appeared on the cover of The Bookman magazine in January 1903.

Musicians

Peter Bellamy, vocals [1-14], concertina [1, 3, 6];
Jamie O'Dwyer, fiddle [1, 6, 9, 11];
Sharon and the Students, harmony vocals [14];
Jim Ellison, vocals [7, 13]

Tracks

Side 1	Side 2
Back to the Army Again (1894) (4.46) Big Steamers (1911) (2.27) (1919) (1.54) The Prodigal Son (1901) (2.20) The Roman Centurion's Song (1911) (3.43) We Have Fed Our Sea (1896) (3.23)	The Dutch in the Medway (1911) (2.30) A Song to Mithras (1906) (2.03) En-Dor (1919) (2.50) Heriot's Ford (1891) (2.08) The Anvil (1911) (1.02) The Wet Litany (1904) (2.41) Thorkild's Song (1906) (2.05) Recessional (1897) (2.42)

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 09:11 PM

There are five Peter Bellamy albums available at Spotify.com. I thinkl Spotify offers free membership in most areas, but there are limitations and commercials. I pay five bucks a month and get unlimited usage.

The albums available are:

• Peter Bellamy Sings the Barrack-Room Ballads of Rudyard Kipling (2012)-24 tracks
  
• Fair Annie & Peter Bellamy (2004)-33 tracks (2 CDs)
  
• Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling & the Tradition (2001)-41 tracks (2 CDs)
  
• Both Sides Then (1979)-15 tracks
  
• The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate (1970)

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Reinhard
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 12:49 AM

"Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs" is a Dambuster album. Therefore, like Bellamy's Trailer album "Tell It Like It Was", it is very unlikely to appear on CD in the near future.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 01:09 AM

It should be pointed out for such abroad &c who might not get the reference, that the title of that album was a play on a well-known UK advertising slogan of the time for Mr Kipling's Cakes, "Mr Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes": a slogan obviously expressed in faux-simple terms to give a period feel back to the great days of Empire, of which the brand name itself was presumably supposed also to be redolent.

~M~

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 01:13 AM

... They are btw still a popular item on the market, produced by Premier Foods.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 01:28 AM

FWIW, the songs on Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling & the Tradition originally came from the albums Keep on Kipling (Fellside FE032, 1982) and Songs an' Rummy Conjurin' Tricks (Fellside FSC 5, 1990). The title for the latter (his last completed and released album) is taken from a line in "Cholera Camp". Some additional tracks are also included:

Our Fathers of Old
Way Through the Woods
Sir Richard's Song
Brookland Road
The Looking Glass
Cold Iron
Philadelphia
Peggy Bawn
The Whale Catchers

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:13 AM

Out of interest, just went downstairs to check packaging on our box of Mr Kipling apple pies, which I eat lots of. Packaging still carries, in fancy lettering, the slogan "Exceedingly good..." under the brand name.

~M~

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:49 AM

Always nice to see a Bellamy thread riding high on a five-knot tide... Of course the one we're all looking forward to right now is 25-track CD of the The Young Tradition live at Oberlin College on 17th November 1968 coming up in the autumn. I confess that I'm not the biggest TYT fan in the world, but this is definitely one to drool for:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Oberlin-1968-Young-Tradition/dp/B00E5U1C2Q/ref=sr_1_3/280-0590345-8957151?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1375602229&sr=1-3&keywords=the+young+tradition

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: redhorse
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 06:17 AM

Having just bought the 2-CD set The Young Tradition/So Cheerfully Round, Galleries/Chicken on a Raft to replace my vinyl YT collection, I'll certainly be getting the Oberlin CD.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 06:47 AM

To replace your vinyl? My goodness! Vinyl is the pure medium of this music (Stones in my Passway notwithstanding) - something the CD can maybe enhance by way of convenience, but never replace.

I must say, I'm still waiting for the definitive Bellamy collection. Wake the Vaulted Echoes was imperfect in all sorts of ways, but hinted at what might be possible. If only the focus was on his cultural significance to the cause of music, instead of this rather irksome Folk thing which got in the way of his genius and - ultimately, tragically - rejected and killed him.

Any news on the Maritime England Suite? I've got some corking versions but the nearest I've got to anything official is Bellamy's own appallingly edited self-bootleg. My favourite all-time Bellamy song is his setting of Kathleen Tardif's poem The Tea Clipper which actually cuts out on the Bellamy Bootleg.

Maybe the moment has passed?

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: pavane
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 11:50 AM

I will be looking out for Oberlin too.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Reinhard
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 02:58 PM

"Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs" is a Dambuster album. Therefore, like Bellamy's Trailer album "Tell It Like It Was", it is very unlikely to appear on CD in the near future.

Well, with the apparent death of Dave Bulmer everything is possible in the not-so-near future...

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,jfr66
Date: 04 Apr 18 - 10:58 PM

any development with getting EXCEEDINGLY GOOD SONGS to cd ?

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Hagman
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 08:27 PM

Not that I'm aware of. It may be some time. Likewise the Green Linnet US LP - guess the tapes have gone.

Perhaps someone could talk to the EFDSS about "Second Wind" from 1985 - but assume that conversation has been ongoing?

(Bellamy/Kipling fans who are not aware of the four-hour FM radio program PB made about Kippers when he was Down Here in Oz in the early 80ies are advised to PM for more info and links. No ball-tampering guaranteed....)

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 05:01 PM

I have been communicating with Warren Fahey about Peter Bellamy's visit to Oz. Over the years Warren sponsored a number of Brit. and Irish folk artistes down under to appear in his Folk Song series at the Sydney Opera House. Tapes of these as made by the ABC have survived such as of Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, and also Joe Heaney. But Warren said that the Peter Bellamy tapes simply disappeared. I'm sure that he would be interested in any recordings made by PB whilst he was down under.

Meanwhile I have FLAC versions of PB's "Maritime Suite" from the original FM airing on Folk on Two. The site from which these were obtained has now gone so effectively I have the only copies. I have offered these to Fellside Records but got no response.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,warren Fahey
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 06:25 PM

I believe David Mulhallen - the most active folk producer at the ABC for many years, took the masters of most live recordings. I saw them once, over a decade ago, - a mountain of them - but David disappeared. Anyone know where he is? Warren fahey [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 03:56 AM

Downloads of Maritime Suite in various guises formats and qualities may be found here:

/mudcat.org//thread.cfm?threadid=133600#3032924

The worst upload is on YouTube apparently from one of PB's cassettes. It needs deleting.

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I fixed your link and deleted subsequent attempts. The Blickifier works fine, but somehow, you got an extra "/" added to the address. --Mod

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Hagman
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 09:13 AM

>Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
>From: GUEST,CJB - PM
>Date: 08 Apr 18 - 05:01 PM

>I have been communicating with Warren Fahey about Peter Bellamy's visit to Oz. Over the years Warren sponsored a number of Brit. and Irish folk artistes down under to appear in his Folk Song series at the Sydney Opera House. Tapes of these as made by the ABC have survived such as of Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, and also Joe Heaney. But Warren said that the Peter Bellamy tapes simply disappeared. I'm sure that he would be interested in any recordings made by PB whilst he was down under.

>
>

I have very good quality tapes of the Bellamy programs made with Mulhullan from off-air ABC-FM, as I have mentioned above.

These include:

* Four one-hour programs on Kipling - Bellamy interviewed by Mulhullan    and illustrated with cuts from the Argo records

* An interview with PB

* Concert from Sydney Opera House with PB and Shirley Collins, separately and together.

PM for details.

(Bellamy toured Australia twice, to my knowledge - the above tour with Shirley Collins, and once solo. No known recordings of the solo tour have surfaced.)

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: DaveRo
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 12:11 PM

CJB's link from 2 posts back: thread.cfm?threadid=133600#3032924

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: GUEST,Brian Grayson
Date: 10 Apr 18 - 10:29 AM

[Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
From: Hagman
Date: 09 Apr 18 - 09:13 AM

>Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings?
>From: GUEST,CJB - PM
>Date: 08 Apr 18 - 05:01 PM

>I have been communicating with Warren Fahey about Peter Bellamy's visit to Oz. Over the years Warren sponsored a number of Brit. and Irish folk artistes down under to appear in his Folk Song series at the Sydney Opera House. Tapes of these as made by the ABC have survived such as of Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, and also Joe Heaney. But Warren said that the Peter Bellamy tapes simply disappeared. I'm sure that he would be interested in any recordings made by PB whilst he was down under.

>
>

I have very good quality tapes of the Bellamy programs made with Mulhullan from off-air ABC-FM, as I have mentioned above.

These include:

* Four one-hour programs on Kipling - Bellamy interviewed by Mulhullan    and illustrated with cuts from the Argo records

* An interview with PB

* Concert from Sydney Opera House with PB and Shirley Collins, separately and together.

PM for details.

(Bellamy toured Australia twice, to my knowledge - the above tour with Shirley Collins, and once solo. No known recordings of the solo tour have surfaced.)]

I'd dearly love to get hold of copies of the above - I knew Peter in the UK in the 70s, and saw him for the last time in Ontario, where he sold me a copy of the 'Fair Annie' cassette. I was out of Australia at the time of the Oz recordings. Please?

Brian Grayson
[e-mail]