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Subject: BS: Solitaire types
From: fogie
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:17 AM

I've been playing what I considered to be the standard Solitaire on my computer, and recently bought a Hoyle's Card Games Computer games. I was astonished to note the number of different solitaire games in the program ,and yet I couldnt find the one I was used to, and just wonder what the one I'm used to is called.
Cards are dealt from the left first one face up and increasing in number to the right side, then the remaining pack is left face down. Aces go into four boxes, and you put reds and blacks alternately in descending rank from kings ,then move the lower cards up onto the suit aces - what do you call this game?


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: el ted
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:40 AM

Dull!


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 07:24 AM

?


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 07:59 AM

This is the version I learnt as a kid. My maternal grandmother taught it to me. She said that it used to be played as a gambling game. The Chinese Communities in Australia used to always have some 'tout' (especially during WWII) who would 'sell' a soldier on leave the pack for so much, then you got paid so much for each card out. I seem to remember the figures of a shilling per card and at least a Pound for the pack, but it might have been more for the pack. The little 'touts' seemed to make a profit...

This is also the version that has appeared in most Windows versions since 3.1. I used to use it as a quick test after setting up a PC - if it worked, most of the system was working!

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: GUEST,T-boy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 08:02 AM

Americans call it Solitaire. British call it Patience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 08:14 AM

try "klondike"


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:25 AM

G'day MMario,

I'll stick with your current version of the name - I use T-boy's 'Patience' - taught me by my Granny, Robin - but not at a shilling a card!!!!! That could have bought two 10-packs of Capstan (or other fags).... Mumble.... No wonder it's now Klondike...

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: open mike
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 12:01 PM

I think Klondike is the one you are talking about.
The game on my computer is Spider, but i have not
found a computer version of Clock Solitaire--has
any one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: clueless don
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 12:12 PM

I think, as others have already said, that the solitaire game described in the original post is called "Klondike". It's the solitaire that I learned as a boy.

I once had a computer program for an alternate solitaire called "Canfield", which I enjoyed very much. However, I haven't been able to learn how to deal this game "by hand", with actual cards. I have tried doing a google search on "Canfield", and I get plenty of hits, but none of the sites explain how the game is dealt in such a way that I can understand it. Probably my fault, rather than the sites, but it's still frustrating.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 01:53 PM

a place where you can find 'almost' any solitaire game...

http://goodsol.com/

my personal favorite is Spider, which works only on computer, because it is a cousin to Freecell, but needs unlimited 'undos' to work out. It is a matter of finding the right path.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: open mike
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:22 PM

don't get me going on the subject of Mah Jongg , a type of solitaire
tile game...see here: mahjong


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 08:38 PM

When I was much much younger, I sent $.50 to the American Playing Card Co (from a comic book ad) for their small book called 101 Ways to Play Solitaire. The book did, indeed, have 101 ways to play solitaire, about 6 or 7 of which were actually interesting enough to play a few times.

The "standard" game, which I believe is the one described, they called "Klondike." It that was included in the first "Windows Entertainment Pack" in the Windows 3.10 era, and was a standard, with most default Windows installations at least through Win98SE. If you have a PC, a search for "solita*.exe" might turn it up on your machine. (The filename varies, so you should truncate it for the search.) From Win2K on, you may have to search the "accessories" on your installation disk, but it probably is there; although no guarantee is to be offered, since many OEM builders varied the "toys" that came with their machines.

Klondike, under any name, is seldom included in those "retail game packs" simply because most people already have it (and "Free Cell") on their machines from the Windows installation.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 08:45 PM

My favorite Solitare is Jane Seymour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:38 PM

The Windows version may not have been installed on any particular machine, you will then need to 'reinstall/update' your installation - I can't remember in which section it is, but as you look thru the various sections, just tick it when you find it (all the games go together), then it will install.

Since it is just a single fairly small exe file, you probably could get it from a friend. "SOL.EXE", should be in your basic Windows directory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: fogie
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:58 AM

Thank you all -will try Klondike.
there is a clock game on the Hoyles patience set
sorry if someone found it dull


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:21 AM

It's available online too. Just make sure your virus software is up to date before downloading it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: GUEST,PoppaGator
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:35 AM

My current favorite computer-solitaire additction is Freecell. I believe it is included with all Windows operating systems since Win98, if not 95.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:58 PM

In some of the earliest Win versions, you had to get the "Plus Pack" to get Solitaire and Freecell - and a few other games. There were additional "Game Packs" that you could get fairly cheaply. Many OEM system disks included the Plus Pack stuff on the install disks, so the "where did it come from?" can be only vaguely known. It would be rare, though, to find a Windows installation that doesn't have those two games, and probably Tetris, unless some malicious system administrator deliberately removed them - presumedly on an office machine setup.

Most of the old games will run on any Win version just by copying the files, although a few of them have some "associated files" for things like scorekeeping that should be brought along.

Some of the oldest ones may be "unfulfilling" run on newer machines. The original Solitaire used a simple "clock-cycle" delay in the "falling card" display when you won a game, so on a faster machine it may be "just a flash." The "reward" display was retimed for Win98, I believe, and an "undo" button added at about the same time to let you back up - one move only. The default Solitaire setting is to "turn over the pile" 3 cards at a time. All versions have allowed (for program testing purposes only, of course) using Ctl-Alt-Shift held down while you click the turnover/deal to turn one-at-a-time: but don't use it to cheat....

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 04:01 PM

open mike - you play Mah Jong? I used to have a monthly group. We played the original Chinese version not the Americanized matching set hands thing. I always thought it was more like Rummy than Solitaire. Somewhere I have a game CD. Will have to dig it out. 1 Crack 2Bamboo...


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Burke
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:39 PM

Don,
For Canfield (if its the game I'm thinking of), deal 13 into the reserve pile. Turn the next card to be the first foundation card & determine what card is the foundation for the other suits. Then turn the next 4 to create your Tableau.

Our family plays a killer multi-player variant on this. 13 cards in the reserve pile, but the foundations always begin with ace. Everyone plays on all the foundations. Round ends with 1st player emptying their reserve pile declaring "grump." (Thus we call it Grump) To score, separate all the cards played on the foundations. Count your cards & deduct 2 for every card still in the reserve pile. (i.e. 12 cards played, 5 in reserve -10, score is 2) With 3 or more players it gets really wild. It's much faster than a game where all cards must be played. With 2 players we often get stuck with no one able to play, with 3+ we almost always have a winner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:41 PM

Hey Sinsull - he probably means the solitare matching version. My mom used to play Mah Jong. Never could get into in myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Mudlark
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:31 PM

Burke, my grandma taught me the same game...with multiple players it indeed can be downright dangerous and her name for it was Massacre or Mayhem, or something similiar.

OpenMike...My solitaire program, Solitaire til Dawn (shareware), has your clock game, I think, called Grandfather's Clock.

When I used to play solitaire with real cards I always played Klondike, but there are more interesting computer games. My favorite is 40 Thieves, a couple based on 13's (Pyramid and Thirteens-duh), and Yukon, for when I'm stuck on a long phone call.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:23 PM

I wonder how extensively folklorists have studied the origins of card games. Anybody know any good reference works?

I grew up playing the same Solitaire Microsoft put into windows - but where did it come from originally? Those 101 versions of Solitaire - were they all invented by playing card companies, or do they have a more interesting history?

It's not Solitare, but I learned Schafskopf (Sheepshead) in Milwaukee when I was in high school, complete with German names you'd call your opponent when you got frustrated. It was a good game - but they've never heard of it her in California.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:40 PM

SWMBO and her family play a four-handed version of "almost Klondike." They call it "Hell." Four decks of cards, four players. Each player deals his own "layout row" but with only five stacks rather than 7, and keeps his own deck as his turnover pile. The turnover pile is called your "Hell Pile," and you turn over 3 at a time to look for cards to play. All aces play to the middle of the table, and anyone can play onto any ace pile. With 16 Ace piles, there's almost never a "lost" game where there's no play left. First one to empty his "Hell" pile shouts "HELL" and wins the "hand." (You do not have to empty the original 5 stacks that are laid out - only your "turnover" deck.)

You have to use decks with a different back for each player, since scoring for each "hand" is EACH player's "number of cards played to aces" minus "number of cards left in Hell pile." Cards left in the player's own "layout" don't count either way.

Normal play - to 500 points, can take a few hours, and make some families cease speaking to each other for a couple of days. (Also note, it's best to keep "tipable" liquids and sticky finger stuff off the table. Some players get a bit "excitable.")

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Burke
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:46 AM

Joe,
You're right, there is nothing quite so folk based as card games. Ever notice how you have to check rules with each other the first time you play Hearts or some version of Rummy? The rules are constantly modified in a folk process way. There are a bunch of rules in the computer version of Hearts that we never used in our family.

A book I've read on the topic is "The Oxford Guide to Card Games" by David Sidney Parlett.

From Library Journal:
In this book Parlett recounts the history and evolution of the cards used in different countries and different games. He also classifies the various types of games and shows how they developed. However, this book is not about how to play cards. It does not give the "official rules" of most games nor does it attempt to describe the tactics or strategies associated with the individual games. In fact, if you do not already know a game being described, the rules given would be barely sufficient to get you started. However, the book would be an excellent starting point for someone interested in doing historical research on cards and card-playing. For this reason and because of the continuing popularity of card-playing as a hobby, the book is a worthwhile addition to larger public library collections.
- Harold D. Shane, Baruch Coll., CUNY
Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:31 AM

Used to play Canfield but I've forgotten the rules; it works similar to Klondike, though.   

I heard it was named after a famous gambler - or gambling-house owner - named Richard Canfield. maybe in Alaska? You bought the deck for something like a dollar a card and got back maybe five dollars a card for each card you got up in the center.

I felt sort of dashing playing it when I was 12 or 13. I'll have to look it up.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Solitaire types
From: Tracey Dragonsfriend
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM

The one we play at home is like the one in Windows, but instead of the next card having to be the next lowest number, and either any red suit on a black card or any black suit on a red card, it had to be of the SAME suit as the previous card. Much harder...

Cheers
Tracey Dragonsfriend
www.scorchpyro.co.uk


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