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Subject: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:42 AM

has anyone here heard of sigma guitars?.any idea of sound.quality,playability etc?.i saw a pic of one the other day and drooled over it,a dr 41.can theese guitars be purchased in the uk/ireland?any help greatly appreciated.
                                        ALLISON.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:53 AM

Allison

Back in the 60s Sigma Guitars were highly regarded in NZ - but that doesn't mean much. Tone etc was fine... Can;t help you on current availabilty in the UK - but would bui one - ikey probabbly cost a few quid now,,,,

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:57 AM

Martin bought out the old Levin Guitars (Sweden) and carried on making Guitars there for a while under the name Sigma . A mate has one that works very well , though perhaps not up to the higher range Martins , a perfectly workmanlike instrument .


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:58 AM

Mumble...

Sigma was an offshoot of Martin or Gibson from what I recall - someone will sort it out,,,]

LOL - Sam


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:01 AM

Thanks Leadfinger!!!!!! - Sam


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: early
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:22 AM

sigma guitars are still available in the uk - sound control in Leeds stock quite a few- the earlier models were made in the far east but assembled by Martin trained techs also the early ones were made from martin parts and were the marquis range at a higher quality - a pal has a very early one and it comes close to martin quality in sound and playabilty and IMHO they are better than some of the budget martins currently available


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:39 AM

Sigma Guitars were distributed by Martin and varied in construction from low end with laminated tops to high end solid wood such as the sigma 41 and 45 models. Thes were excellent guitars and I sold a good number of them in my store. I found them quite comparable to even the Martin in tone and quality. Hope this helps a little.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Den
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 08:25 AM

I bought one in 1980. It was the model that was copied off the Martin D12. I liked it a lot. It was well built and had a nice tone. A friend of mine had a real D12. The only big difference I could discern between the two guitars was the Martin had a richer tone on the lower strings.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM

About 15 years ago I bought a Sigma, modelled on one of the smaller-bodied Martins, and it has served me very well ever since. Its tone, volume, playability and intonation are better than a number of more expensive instruments that I have played over the years.

I believe Sigmas were (perhaps still are?) made in Taiwan, but to Martin specifications, and using Martin-supplied tools. Of course, their sound is not as rich and subtle as you can get from a well-aged Martin, but how many of us play well enough to deserve one of those? If you can get hold of a good Sigma, Allison, grab it with both hands.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: RichM
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 02:44 PM

Have a look at this site:
Blueridge Guitars

This is a fine line of guitars, equivalent in sound to others costing 3 times as much. Two of my friends who are long time bluegrass pickers, have bought these, and use them instead of their martins...

Rich


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 03:36 PM

I've never met a Sigma that I liked. Looking for a good low priced guitar? Larrivee.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM

Sigma were the official Martin budget line.

Here in the UK you can probably get a used Sigma DM2 for about £120, DM4 about £200 - both streets better than any new guitar at the price, with quite a fair impersonation of the ringing Martin sound.

I refurbished a DM4 for my daughter with a shadow pickup and a fishman preamp and it is nice. I have told her if she ever decides to sell it I will give her £500 for it.

A very basic L'Arrivee will cost you about £500. A top of the range one, about £2,000. I don't call that "low priced"


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 07:30 AM

EVERYTHING is relative. The question is, how low can you go in price before you hit poor quality? Yamaha makes some pretty good low end guitars.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 10:28 AM

thanks for all the advice guys...............i am getting me a dr 41..........it is the perfect guitar in my book......http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/SigmaDR-41.html


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 10:53 AM

i have a sigma SG-9, the label inside says Gotenborg sweden. also it says guaranteed by levin.

also it says the cf martin organisation (not Co. as i have seen on others.)

I don't know anything about this guitar but i would like to, so if anyone could help, i will really appriciate it.

thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:27 AM

Kate:

See up above. What questions do you have?

A


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 02:10 PM

Well, Kate, it looks like that one was probably made by Levin for Martin before Levin went bust, but I never heard of any such thing, so maybe it is a complete fraud...

DR 41 will probably be rosewood sides, likely laminated,


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Dharmabum
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 02:50 PM

I've recently acquired an old Sigma.
Made in Japan so I'm guessing 70's.
There are very small traces of the serial number left but not enough to read,so nailing it down to a year is pretty slim that way.
On the center strip is burned/printed "SIGMA GUITARS Made in Japan for C.F.MARTIN & CO."
The model # is a DM 3.At least I'm about 90% shure it's a 3.
Anyone here know if & when Sigma made a DM 3?

I haven't done an in depth search on the subject yet,but so far I haven't found any info on a DM 3.

This guitar was offered to me as a "parts" guitar for ten bucks.
It was stripped of all it's hardware & had spent the last 15 years of it's life sitting in a barn. Luckily,it appears that some of that time must have been in a case.
Once I cleaned off years of dirt & grime,I discovered I'd actually purchased a good solid instrument with an amazingly straight neck.

It's got plenty of character in the way of nicks/dings/scratches,but once I rounded up & installed the necessary hardware,she came back to life with a very sweet voice.

This Sigma never was & never will be a high end guitar,but I'm real happy with this old ten dollar "beater".

   DB.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SirGalihad
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM

Dharmabum...Check out e-bay....there are several DM3's being auctioned today.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 06:52 PM

re: sigma SG-9

Amos - i suppose i wanted to know how old it is, if it is genuine and anything else anyone could tell me about it.

Richard - thanks...I hope it is a genuine model. I'll just keep looking for a record of this model number.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Spikeis
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 06:40 AM

For my twopennyworth, I AM the owner of the 25 year old Sigma that Early was refering to earlier, and having just had it refretted, new bone nut and bridge done by a VERY VERY competent luthier, who looks after some VERY VERY top class instruments, the result is that a) he wants mine, and has wanted an EARLY Sigma for a few years, b) he has copied the dimensions exactly to reproduce one, and c) we find out that it has a centimeter and a half LONGER neck than the Martin!!
This apparently accounts for the huge volume from the beast, but he also agrees that there's bugger all difference in the sound of mine to a Martin. As a matter of fact, I use 11 gauge martin sp phospher strings on mine, other wise if I used any heavier gauge, I woudn't be able to hear myself singing!!
I have so far over 25yrs resisted the temptation to buy a Martin!!!
cheers
Spike


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,joannes
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 12:09 AM

Same story. I bought my Sigma in 1980. Played it with joy over the years. But didn't think it was so special, regarding the money I payed back then. So my kids played it (sitting on it and all). And than I brought it to a repairer who tuned it, refretted it, cleaned it, and fell in love with it. This guy ownes a Sigma himself and was delighted to be able to restore mine. Now I am very carefull with it. Since then I've been playing other guitars. My Sigma only got beaten by some of the more expensive Martin's!
Buy one and play it, you won't be dissapointed.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: English Jon
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 03:00 PM

Some of them are great, some of them are dogs...same with all guitars I guess, but if it looks right and sounds right then go for it.

Talk to john at thrift music in frinton if you want good advice on Martins/sigma/levins etc. He's knows more about martin family instruments than just about anyone.

cheers,
Jon


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 04:21 PM

I love my Sigma, have had several offers to buy.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,phil
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:38 PM

i have a Sigma DR-28 which if Im not mistaken looks (and sounds) virtually like a Martin D-28. It says made in Japan by Sigma for C.F Martin Co., but i have no idea how old it is. My guess from what i can gather is early 80's.

It has the rosewood back and sides, but one tech told me that the backs and sides could be solid as well as the top. He really had a high praise for these jap knock-offs.

The wood has had a chance to age nicely, and when i heard it in the music store, it took the gold medal as far as sound goes. A loud/projecting sound. Bang for buck was a no brainer. The Japanese ones if you can find a good one will sound very nice. Change the bridge saddle to a Tusq or bone one, and use some good strings, and you will be amazed.


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Subject: RE: blueridge guitars
From: GUEST,cb
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:11 AM

These are great quality for the money.

Blueridge Reviews


has reviews of the BR160 and 140 models.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:24 PM

i have a dr41 sigma guitar but an not sure of the year it was made.i would be grateful if anyone could help here.the serial # is 50317218.the sticker inside says prepared and inspected by martin &co ,made in taiwan.does this mean it is better than the recent sigmas made in korea?it is a beautiful guitar with a lovely bell like tone.any help appreciated.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Paintmanzart@webtv.net
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 11:50 AM

I have a "sigma d m 3" made for martin in the eary 70s in absloultley mint cond. with extra martin strings and original case. Any one know its value. I want to sell it


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Paintmanzart@webtv.net
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:24 PM

The sigma D M 3 guitar i have was made in korea for c.f.martin co. and the serial number is 258440 with extra set of martin made strings and original case and every thing in cluding case is MINT condition. Near as i understand was made about 1970 but not sure. Any one interested in buying it contact me thru my email addy..............paintmanzart@webtv.net........thanks bob bruce


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jmac
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 07:17 AM

I own an early 70's DM-5 and it is one of the most played instruments in my arsenal ('39 Epi archtop, '69 D18, '89 J45).
Well built, easy to play, and has a huge sound, especially with Elixir medium gauge strings.
Best bang for the buck in my opinion....
jmac


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: spikeis
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:06 AM

Well I am soooooooooooo pleased to hear from so many closet Siggy ownwers, this is the most I've heard of ANYWHERE!!
I do think however that Sigma have done themselves NO favours with the later ones, but as I said in my earlier posting the one I have kicks the hell out of ALL but very top end stuff, and most of my friends own said top end stuff!!

Keep on Sigging!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gary
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 04:43 PM

I have a Sigma DM-18. It is stamped Made in Japan by Sigma for C.F.Martin and Co. Serial number S 42319. I purchased it new in 1981. I have no idea when it was made. It is the best tonal acoustic I have ever owned.

I read somewhere once that Martin started building Sigmas in 1970. I forget exactly when they started in Japan; however I do remember that they moved the Japanese operation to Taiwan in 1984. The article said the quality suffered with the move. I played a couple of the Taiwanese Sigmas. They fall extremely short of the Japanese built ones.

I haven't payed any attention to the model numbers, years they were built, etc.; but if you find out when/where it was built, and it was built in Japan, I'm sure you'll be happy with it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 06:00 PM

GUEST jmac, if you weren't a "guest," I'd PM you on this:

As a fellow 1969 D-18 owner, I'm curious -- do you like your early 70's DM-5 *better* than your slightly-older Martin, or do you just consider it "better bang for the buck" than the more valuable item?

I'm pretty fond of my one-and-only guitar but I realize that it's less than perfect, in that it could sound a tad brighter on the high end.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steele
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 02:48 AM

I have a Japanese Sigma OM-18, #826272. It has a solid top, but I think the sides are ply. Bought it for $175.00 several years ago to travel around the hippie festivals with, so it's taken a far share of abuse, humidity/temp stress and so forth. I have always considered it a fair guitar, not outstanding in any particular area, but well rounded. It is pretty loud. Currently needs neck adjustment and new strings. Any guesses on what it's really worth?

I was going to sell it to get a more road worthy electric accoustic, but after reading this thread I think I'm going to fix it up and keep it a while more.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 02:04 PM

A couple of days back there was a Sigma D28 on ebay (UK) ie www.ebay.co.uk - may still be there. It is nicely described.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,r chew
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 12:17 PM

i have a sigma dr-28h which i bought in 1996 in singapore.
it says, made in taiwan, prepared and inspected by the c f martin & co.
if you own a similar dr-28h and made in taiwan, i would like your view on how well this model is doing for you.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Pat Cooksey
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 06:15 PM

I have an old Levin and a Sigma 12 years old. I use the Sigma which
has a Martin Pickup for gig's, which everone say's sounds good, but
accoustic the Levin sounds better.
Does anyone know how much a Levin Jumbo circa 1965 is worth.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,GUEST,T Render
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 06:46 PM

I owned an early 80's Sigma dr-35. It was stolen however, I have been on the lookout for any older Sigma dreadnaught, models Dr-18, Dr-28, DR-28H (herringbone bindings), another DR-35 or the DR-41 ever since. These were all solid spruce top replica's of the Martin dreadnaught line and the top axes of the Sigma line as well. The main difference I could see between the two (martin and sigma)was the composition of the finish. The sigma finish seemed to be heaver and tougher and not as apt to check in the cold and considerably more durable at the price of less resonance with the top. Other than that, I think they were identical to the martin counterpart except in price and re-saleability. As of this post, I cannot difinitvely say back and sides are solid or ply however, happy days are here again.
I finally found a DR-18 that some guy sat upon and broke the neck block or at least somewhere near that area. The back also started to "pop" out of it's binding at the area where the neck meets the body. Ma The guitar is in rough shape and is going to require extensive repairs, however I'm hoping it was not put together with exoxy or something that won't soften up with heat. It is also the perfect excuse to grind off all that heavy finish that made most Sigma's bulletproof and try to allow the top to resonate like it's american counterpart.
I have also had the experience of playing some of Sigma's lesser line such as the DM-3 and found the plywood top Sigma's were pretty much a beginner's guitar and not really suited to more experienced players and no amount of re-work will ever make them better.

Anyone having any experience in repairing Sigma's I would be most interested in hearing your findings on how easy they come apart.
Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:29 PM

WHATS SHAKIN,

I was just curious if anyone knew what a GCS-2 Sigma woulod be worth now, I think it was made in '87 but I could be wrong


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:04 PM

I have owned a Levin LR18 1965 since 1970 and no one will ever buy it off me whatever the price! Good luck with your Sigma.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:53 AM

Thought I'd leave an update on the busted Sigma. I since found out this busted sigma was somewhat considered a write off. The top was broken along both sides of the neck block and considered a fatal break aside from replacing the top.
Not to be swayed and what to hell..."nothing ventured nothing gained" so away I went with my wife's steam iron in my hand and a piece of clean rag. Since the back had become unglued at the neck block, I decided to remove the back to better see the "fatal wound".
After applying lots of heat,( lesson #1...don't get your iron too hot!It discolors the laquer.)I was able to get the back off with no damage to the kerfing. Applying water to the inside seam with a syringe helped considerably. Sure enough, the lower side of the top was broken right through and the upper side of the neck block was broken as well. To compound things, one of the cracks extended right under the neck block and was inaccessable without removing the neck/fingerboard.
Gently pulling the neck of the guitar in a lateral motion, I was able to get the broken top back into it's original position and set it with a couple small dabs of superglue. The upper brace had also broken away from the top.
After several hours of pondering the problem ( I have too much time on my hands), I finally decided that the only way to regain integrity was to "extend" the portion of neck block to include more top area. My reasoning was that 99% of the guitars sound comes from the larger body area near the bridge, I may be able to distribute some of the neck pressure across a larger area of the top with minimum ill effects to the sound. A strip of spruce top reinforcement had to be shortened to accomodate the "wings" I was about to add to the neck block. The "wings were made out of a piece of pine similar to doorstop material. It was sanded into 2 pieces about 3/8 " thick, 3/4"wide and approx 2.5 " long. these were glued to the neck block and the top at the same time with the 3/4 inch side on the inside of the top. Next I had to secure the main brace to the top again. To give it some added strength, I cut two small triangular pieces to repair the cracks extending down to the sound hole. These were made from a piece of eastern white cedar which was split down to approx 1/16" thickness, then sanded smooth then glued cross-grained to the underside of the top once again. Two pieces were used to ensure access to the truss rod adjustment but 1 piece could have worked as well.
Satisfied I had done all I could to keep the neck from moving, I turned my attention to the rest of the guitar. I was right about it being bulletproof. As a side note, this sigma had a mahogany plywood back and sides and was not given the designate DR-18. I still think the Dr-18,28,35,& I can't remember a 41 or 42 all had the solid back and sides as well as solid top.
Anyhow I digress....the glue job was sloppy with drips left all over the place, the gause support at the cross brace junction was extremely large and extended down on to the bridge plate. The bracing was pretty much standard martin braces and don't spare the glue. A support was placed down the center of the top like a running cleat to avoid the top from ever splitting or cracking. The bridgeplate was made from rosewood plywood once again dripping with glue when it was applied originally. This will never do so I took my trusty knife and proceded to cut away any cheesecloth support that was in contact with the top or bridgeplate and cleaned any large drips of glue that was visible. Then with a dremel tool I proceeded to scallop the braces into something like a cross between the old pre-war martins and thier more modern design.I took out a considerable amount of wood all the while wondering am I doing the right thing. I had some examples of pre-war martins and current bracing patterns but I had to adapt the slightly different brace style in my scallops to fit the newer style of brace. Satisfied that I had taken all I dared to out of the braces, I turned my attention to the bridge plate. Well, fools walk where wise men fear to tread and I was jogging pretty good so out came the dremel again with the sanding drum and on to the bridge plate. I didn't think it should be glued to the X braces as well as the top so the whole bridge plate got a bevel job except for the strip where the strings poke through. I left a piece untouched about 1.5"wide along the whole length of the bridge plate directly under where the bridge glues on. Whoops....the grinder hit the center support cleat that run the whole length of the top. And then it hit it again. I own a guitar made by luthier Marc Beneteau and it don't have those cleats so off they come.A little hand sanding along the braces to skinny them a little more and it's time to replace the back before I go too far...if I havn't already. Ok...back is glued on but I still am not satisfied with the resonance to guitar makes when the top is lightly tapped with my fingers around the bridge. Time to get rid of that glossy plastic finish. I get my sanding block and see it has a used piece of #80 grit sandpaper in it. Now it took a real act of courage to take a perfectly good looking guitar and run a piece of sandpaper across it. I closed my eyes and decided to scuff the top once so I couldn't chicken out. As the sanding block hit the top of the guitar, it was very much like hitting a piece of window glass. I opened my eyes and looked in amazement at the tiny little scratch this sandpaper left on the guitar face. With a renewed vigor I attacked the top once again only this time with my eyes open. It was like trying to sand lexan or plexiglass. About an hour later and a couple sheets of sandpaper I managed to take off about 2 cups of plastic off the front of the guitar. Tapping the top once again, success, the guitar was starting to sound like a drum and not a block of wood. With a renewed enthusiam but still guarded that this thing was not going to fold up after I put the strings on it, I went at the back of the guitar. I think I got about 2 cups of shavings off it as well. A small increase in the resonance was noticed but not near as dramatic as when the top was done.
Off to town I go to get new strings and hope this thing works out. After all, I've put quite a few hours cutting, sanding, glueing etc.
By my calculations, the strings are going to be way too high to play comfortably and the slot in the bridge don't appear to be deep enough for me although I don't have a spec to how close the saddle should be to the actual guitar top itself. This one looks like the slot is cut too shallow in the bridge. Oh well I can't wait I'll shave the bone down to get the correct height and maybe after
i get a spec someplace I'll modify as needed. The neck releif looks pretty good so time to string it up and see how it sounds.

I am happy to report that the guitar does not go out of tune, is still holding (3 days now)and I am tickled pink with the tonal response and volume. Not very much bass ( I'm used to rosewood bodys)but very well balanced all the way up to the 14 fret. It is very much like playing a new guitar and over the last 3 days the tone has improved noticeably as well. I'm sure it would fool the most passionate D-18 fan into thinking it was the "real thing".
Anyhow...I don't know how long this stripped down "hotrod" will hold together but I'm sure enjoying it until then.
No Guts ...No Glory.
Thanks all...I'll post again sometime to give you an update.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hamish
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 02:21 AM

Thought this was headed "stigma guitars" and I was going to say something disparaging about Ovations.   ;-)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:34 PM

I need help, I recently recieved an older Sigma from a friend who passed away. It is an SE-36 model and appears to be in good condition. From the research I have done I believe it was produced in the early 1980's but other than that I have no clue as to what it's value is. Can anyone give me an idea what this guitar is worth? I don't play guitar and I want to sell it to someone who has expressed interest in it but I am not sure what is a fair price to sell it at. Please help, you can reply here or email me at Gsdepot@bellsouth.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Mooh
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:24 AM

A Sigma showed up this season in the hands of a young student, apparently it had been his mother's. It is well intonated, has decent action, but the sound is no better than a million others from the import market. Young ears don't much care about that though, they just wanna rock. And there's the rub, how to balance all the properties of playability, durability, sound, and appearance. If a guitar such as this pleases someone, there's a market. Maybe in time those young ears will want something better. Hook 'em with something cheap, the big money comes later.

There's a part of me which sometimes likes a funky old rotten sleezy guitar sound, but not often. Maybe there's a place in every collection...

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: spikeis
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:47 PM

Yes, good point Mooh, but As my earlier posts say, SOMETIMES you don't need to move on to something better, and it breaks my heart to see young 'uns desperate to buy a "name" on a guitar, thinking it will make them better players!! That's another can of worms, the "I must have a Martin,Taylor, Guld, Santa Cruz, Collins to be a proper musician" mind set, which bugs the nuts off me as well, as my Sigma is owned by choice, not by price, and it would be interesting to hear others views on this. (no biting now children, play nice!!!) ;)

Cheers

Spike


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 10:21 AM

I agree with you Spike. Perhaps too many students think that if they trade thier Chevette for a Corvette, they can travel along at a nicer pace (they still make chevettes?). I think if the axe does what the person wants it to do, brand or price should not play a factor. As a player progresses and thier style develops, they will find that thier needs of the guitar will change as well. One secret I use when determining a good guitar (aside from action, intonation etc.) is to try to feel the back vibrate against my stomach when playing at a moderate level. I guess resonance would be what I look for. Of course this only applies to acoustic axe's. When I have good resonance, I don't have to work near so hard to get the sounds I'm looking for and can get a better dynamic range out of the instrument.
Cheers

Trender


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gary
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 11:20 AM

I concur, Spike. (Just some background information) I owned a couple of guitars through my teen age years (Fender and an Ovation), but they had been purchased second hand. When I was in the service and could afford to buy my own toys, I saved specifically for, and purchased, my first (as I thought) "real" guitar, a D-28 Martin. It was a great guitar I have to admit; however, it did NOT make me a better player. The guitar, along with every other thing that was of value to me was lost in a fire in '81. I had decided to purchase another Martin, but, quite by accident, I mistakenly picked up a Sigma sitting next to a Martin. I played it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I hadn't realized that I wasn't playing a Martin until the owner came back to me and said, "For a knock-off, they're pretty good, aren't they?" I looked at him like he had three heads or something. (It should be obvious to you now that I am not a professional.) I know I play well, but the only person I've ever entended on entertaining was myself. It hit me right then and there that, if I couldn't tell the differance between this and a guitar that cost $2000 more, why should I pay that? I played a few of the Sigmas and ended up purchasing the DR-18. Everyone that has heard me play it (Mostly family) thinks its a great sounding guitar. I think so too. ...just some imput from a non-professional who enjoys playing.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 05:39 AM

I can't help contibuting to a thread about my favorite obsession: Sigma guitars. In the late 1960's there was a strong increase in demand for guitars in the U.S. Martin could not increase production of U.S. made guitars because of the time lag imposed by the need to season hardwoods. The Japanese manufacturers, having saturated their domestic market early in the 1960's, had abundant stocks of seasoned wood on hand. Martin began selling the Sigma line of Japanese made guitars in January of 1970. Sigma guitars made in Japan from 1970 through 1979 can be distinguished by a headstock logo consisting of the single word "SIGMA" surmounted with a greek letter sigma ("sideways M") and an inner paper label giving model and serial numbers. These early models are almost always solid wood guitars, and tonewood of a high grade at that. The early models are encoded by size, wood, and quality-grade number; that is, a DR-7 (the top of the line) is a rosewood dreadnought of top grade, the DM-5 a mahogany dreadnought of lesser grade, and so on. In 1980, the model lines and designations were changed to capitalize on Martin model names: the DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45. But the older model types were also continued as well. The headstock logo was changed to the present day form ("SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970"). The models made between 1980 and 1984 in Japan are almost always solid top with laminate back and sides (like Shannendoahs), as the Japanese manufacturers had used up their stock of seasoned woods by 1980. The paper labels were dropped in favor of stamping the back brace. In 1984, production was shifted to Korea, and in 1993-4 to Taiwan, where it continues to the present day. In general, the quality of the guitars declined in Korea to a medium or lesser grade level. A few Taiwanese (like the DR-28) are surprizingly good, but they're rare. It is worth noting that all the currently produced Sigmas except the DR-41 are designated with the quality grade of 1, meaning there is is no lower quality possible, a curous honesty on Martin's part! Which old Sigmas are worth buying? Here's a guide. The most desirable vintage Sigmas are almost any of the "old logo" Japanese made models: the DR-7 (a D-21 clone), the GCR-7 (a rosewood 00-21 clone), the DM-5, the CR-7 classical, the DR12-7 12-string. The first Sigma catalog (1970) also shows a DJ-7, made of jacaranda or Brazilian rosewood, but I know of no one who has ever seen one in the flesh! Secondly, 1980-84 Japanese made DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45 are all excellent guitars but are sometimes inconsistent: 1981-83 DR-41's are laminate; the 1984 DR-41 was solid woods! Where they are laminate construction, the veneers are of high quality and it's often hard to distinguish their sound quality from solid wood. (When in doubt, remove the end pin which will expose the edge of the side wood to inspection.) In 1980, Martin produced 100 Anniversary Sigmas (model 10), a solid mahogany dreadnought; equip one of these with a brass or ivory saddle, ebony bridge pins and medium strings and you can hunt down D-18's in the heaviest brush and stomp them to death --- it's a very loud and impressive guitar! In 1981-82, Martin produced a small number of models labelled "MartinSigma / USA" and designated by an "N" at the end of the model name: DR-28N, DR-35N, etc. These were made in the Martin factory in Nazareth, PA. If Martin makes a Martin clone in the Martin factory with Martin serial numbers stamped on the neck block, does the word "clone" have any meaning anymore? They are just re-labelled Shannendoahs, a pretty good guitar. The DR-7 model was also continued through 1980-84 in Japan, with the addition of a DR-9 and DR-11, all made in very small quantities. They sound about as good as an average Martin D-28 of the same time period (not their best period, I admit). Also made in small numbers in 1979-81 were Sigma models with the prefix 52S, as in 52SDR-7. Curiously, they are made entirely from some very strange laminates. The 52S series were sold as "professional" instruments; they have a pure clean resonant tone (like a high-end maple Gibson) which combines well with the human voice and records cleanly without a fuss. (I've had three of these, and all had thoroughly rigid construction, dead straight necks that had not moved in 25 years, low fast action, and great playing ease, as well as fine sound.) I have have owned, played, bought, sold, traded about 30 Sigmas, which include most of the models mentioned above. Because the high-quality Sigmas were made in small lots by a variety of Japanese manufacturers, there is considerable variation from one instrument to another, not in quality but in character. I have two 1980-84 DR-7's. One sounds pretty much like a slightly sweeter version of a D-28. The other sounds like a 1930's Custom Shop guitar (like that B&D Senorita that keeps popping up or an old Vega). My first "bought new" guitar was a Sigma DR-7 purchased in March, 1970 from a Martin dealer and one of the first 100 Sigmas sold. (Martin shipped exactly 100 Sigmas to dealers in 1970!) It cost $139.95 plus tax. It sounds better (to me, at any rate) than all the other Sigmas I've owned, save one. It has a number of construction details not in common with later DR-7's, so it's possible that it would be worthwhile to search for the lowest serial number when shopping for a DR-7. If by the Martin sound, you mean (and most people do) that crisp percussive snap of attack on the bass strings, the only Sigmas that approach that particular quality are the early DR-7's.

Sterling Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 08:33 AM

Mr. Webb. Your history lesson on Sigma's is most informative. It is the most complete anthology I have read to date. Thank you for taking the time to post. Sigma appears to have a varied history with a large "window" of different construction methods and wood grades used. Was the DR-7 a dreadnaught "replica", as I was told the DR designate stood for? Do you know anything about the composition of the different finishes used throughout the history of the line?
Thanks again for the info.
Terry Render


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Daniel
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:30 AM

Hi everyone, I'll try and add my two pence in! I presume the D in DR 7 stands for dreadnaught. The R will stand for Rosewood and therefore if you have a DM model the M will stand for Mahogany. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's what it all means.

Now I've got to ask for some help. I've a a DR 14 , it has a three piece Rosewood back, and Rosewood sides of course. It is stamped/burnt made in Japan with a serial number of s21713 but also another serial number of n060100 inside on the neck. If any of that makes any sense. It has Mother of Pearl (the multi coloured kind) inlays, and also round the hole of the guitar and edging round the guitar. The machine heads also have Sigma stamped on then.

It's very similar to the DR 11

I can't find any information on the DR 14 and it's driving me mad. Harmony central has lots of reviews on guitars but alas not the DR 14. I would love to know if anyone else owns one or knows anything about it. Please.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kenny
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 07:18 AM

How much can I pay for a Sigma Les Paul from early -70´s in good condition.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sterling Webb
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:01 AM

Hi,


Daniel is right. The naming scheme for Sigmas was originally by size, composition, and quality. The sizes were Dreadnought (D), Grand Concert (GC) or 000, C for classical, and so forth. R is for rosewood, M for mahogany, S for sapele, B for bubinga, J for jacaranda. Originally 7 was the highest quality grade.


So, a DR-7 (the top of the line) is a rosewood dreadnought of top grade, the DM-5 a mahogany dreadnought of lesser grade, and so on.


In 1980, the model lines and designations were changed to capitalize on Martin model names: the DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45. But the older model types were also continued as well for another 4 years (1980-84).


My guess would be that the DR-14 is a souped up DR-11, just like Daniel surmised. I've never heard of the DR-14 before so I get to add a new one to my list. I've heard the DR-11 called the rarest Sigma model (just one on eBay in the last 2-3 years), but a DR-14 would have to trump that for rarity!


I've just bought a Sigma that I can't identify. It has the old-style (1970-79) logo with the word SIGMA inlayed in pearl instead of the usual gold leaf, something I've never seen before. It is solid rosewood and spruce, with a Martin-style bridge (not an adjustable thingee) and with pearl snowflake dots on the fretboard and abalone inlays around the soundhole and top bindings. It has a "normal" (two-piece) back and encased tuners (not sealed). It's missing its paper label, so it's a mystery model with great sound.


If anybody has ever seen one like that and can help me identify it, please reply.


Many of these higher quality models appear to have been produced in very small numbers (like 100 to 150), at intervals, as needed to fill in the high-end of the dealer offerings.


Sorry I hadn't figured out the page breaks (first-time poster) and it all came out in one lump. I think I've got it now.


Sterling Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:09 PM

Sigma guitars are good - but making comparisons with Martins doesn't do them justice. Compare them to other guitars that cost the same (or less) than Martins to get a true impression of their value.
Martins are over-hyped and over-priced.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM

Hi,

Sterling, I don't know how far your interest of Sigma Guitars extends but I have a few pictures of my guitar on the computer. If you would like the pictures just send me an E-Mail at danielsebastianjackson1979@hotmail.com or anyone else for that matter. Many thanks for you information above.

Daniel


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 05:54 AM

Sterling,
I happen to own a mid 70's Sigma DR28H Serial #34067 with a Manufactured in Japan label still present. It's still in excellent shape albiet for a little fading and discoloration of the finish...Any ideas on how to re-finish the guitar? Would love to install a pickup as it plays & sounds great!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM

How much sould i pay for a dm5 in pretty bad shape. No major damage just worn. This guitar sounds amazing. Just looking around the music store and picked this one up. Never played a Sigma before. It looks terrible but sounds better than anything i have played in a long time. Poor thing . Looks like the devil sings like an ANGEL !!!!!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Anderson/guest
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 01:46 PM

I have one of the Sigma Anniversary models in near perfect condition.

what would it's value be?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,branch
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 03:22 AM

got a dr-7 today head stoke broke off all there no trouble only thing is that it has a m inlaid side ways at the top of head stoke
and the sticker inside doesnt say made in japan
anybody know thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 09:14 AM

Another proud graduate of the Sir jOhn From Hull School of Communication Arts


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S.McBay
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 04:13 PM

S.Webb,

you mentioned something about a low serial number dr-7.
what serial numbers were in that 1st 100 guitars shipped
the the states? I am looking at a dr-7 and wondering
how early it is based on serial number.

thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

I've got the Sigma DR 41, made in Japan, bought in 1982. I got it because after selling off a couple of Martins and Strats from my bar band/partying days when I was broke, I didn't think I was worth spending the money on for another Martin, since I was only playing for pleasure for myself, family & jamming with friends.

It's funny how my feelings have changed about this guitar over the years. When I bought it, my thoughts were "a cheap version of the Martin" even though I brought several folks into the shop to hear this guitar, and we all agreed it just seemed to good to be true for the price.

Nowadays, I realize I have a guitar every bit as good sound and action wise, as most Martins I've ever played, regardless of the model. Everybody who picks my Sigma up says that too, so I know it isn't just me trying to make myself feel better about buying the cheaper version of the Martin D41. And just like the best old Martins, mine's only gotten better with age. It is one sturdy bugger too. I finally broke down and bought a high end case for it about 10 years ago, when I decided me and this guitar would never be parting, and I needed to start treating it with the respect it deserved.

Mine has GORGEOUS sound, especially bright with a new set of strings, and especially for the sound it has for playing trad, bluegrass, walkin' blues...it's as good as anything I've ever played.

Grab that DR 41 and ignore all the "it's only a cheap Martin rip-off" talk. If you love the sound and action of it now, and it seems to be a guitar with personality and is structurally sound (you know, top matched to perfection, that sort of thing) to the point of the guitar seeming too good to be true, BUY IT! I guarantee it will age beautifully for you. You can tell some of these Sigmas are made by true artisans. If you are lucky enough to find one those, you'll only be more pleased with the brilliance of your purchase as time goes on!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:11 PM

BTW, I'm saying grab it if it is one of the DR 41 made in Japan models that was mentioned by Sterling in his excellent summary of Sigma guitars above. Like I said, I lucked out with the one I bought, it seems to be one of the rare gems of the 1980-19084 models, that obviously came from one of the better manufacturers. My guitar oozes character, which is why I'm hanging onto it.

Not a pro quality guitar, as everyone else has noted. But damn near perfection for the price, action, and sound factors, especially over time. I never expected an inexpensive guitar to age as gracefully as this baby has--it's one sweet guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S.McBay
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 07:27 PM

I have one of the bottom of the line Korean made Sigmas.
It is a DM-1B. A black guitar. I bought it for $75. I
needed a guitar I could travel with and not worry about
getting banged up. This guitar is built like a rock. I
have bumped it alot of times with no damage at all. I
have also realized that it is my favorite guitar to play.
I loaned it to a friend of mine who is a banjo player
so he could learn a couple of Tony Rice songs. He has
has it for two months and I truly miss the guitar. It
is an excellent guitar for the price. I have others that
I refuse to play that are more expensive that the Sigma.
Now I play my Martin while looking for another Sigma. Not
to say that the Sigma is better sounding than the Martin
but my Martin costs too much to drag with me.

just my two cents...

I would recommend this guitar to anyone. Even though mine
is Korean made, I would look for one made in Japan.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:44 PM

i started this thread and forgot about it till today.......i finally got a sigma dr 41 on e bay,got it shipped to ireland which took about 3 weeks.i was very happy with the price too,till the irish customs held it up on me   for another week till they got their whack out of it...(bastards)...anyway i am thrilled with the guitar it gets better every time i play it,and apart from a buckle mark and a few   battle scars is in great shape.this guitar came from a dealer in the denver area(golden) anyone with any idea of its past history i would love to hear from them....


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: elmiras
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:17 PM

dr-7 serial no.6806 anybody know the age
thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 06:51 PM

I have a Sigma ACoustic DM-5 dreadnought that my mom got in college, so it is at least 30 years old. It sounds and plays great. it is a high quality guitar. very good. i would never buy another acoustic unless i needed an acou/elec.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,D. Smith
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:41 AM

I have an early 80's sdr-35 that I am completely nuts over. From the first time I picked it up till now- My dad has the Martin counterpart and Mine is certainly no MArtin, but my gosh- it is incredible. Have recorded w/it several times and it travels well anyway- I stumbled upon this incredible site and Ive spent a good hour reading. Never ever heard of such an extensive discussion of "cheap" guitars. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 02:30 PM

I got one sigma called SG-9 japanese build serienr: s 36085. It´s a lovely guitar and I wonder if someone know anything about it.
Best Wishes Staffan


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Subject: Sigma Classical
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

Can't seem to find any information on my Sigma classical guitar. No logo on headstock. Paper label inside says CB-5 and AC-10. Imported and distributed by C.F. Martin and Co. Nazereth, Pennsylvania. USA. Paper label has the sideways M above the word Sigma. Serial # stamped on the headstock is 8512-8. Anyone with any information please email me at shashi4g@aol.com Thanks in advance and have fun picking.


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Subject: Sigma Classical
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 04:39 AM

You can click here shashi4g@aol.com to email me any info on my Sigma Classical guitar. Any help will be greatly appreciated. THANKS.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 01:39 AM



    Some (partial) answers to some of the earlier questions in this thread.

    Early serial number DR-7's. My DR-7 bought in March, 1970, has the serial number 6860, so a DR-7 with the serial number 6806 should be an equally early one. Two things to look for in a very early model: a "zeroth" fret right in front of the nut and a printed label with no place set aside for model and serial numbers, so they are just ink-stamped on it whereever there's room.

    S. McBay, what is your DR-7 serial number? Numbers up to the low 10,000's are probably before 1974. Sigma serial numbers were neither consistent or continuous, though. I have a 1974 DR12-7 with a serial number 74xxxxxxxxx, eleven digits, and had a 1980 one with a 29,xxx serial number!

    Sashi4, the CB-5 is a classical guitar is made of Bubinga wood. I don't know what the AC-10 stands for, but the two CB-5's I've seen (on eBay) were also stamped AC-10, maybe a manufacturer code. They're from the early 1970's. Sigma never put the logo on the front of the headstock of the classicals.

    Price of Anniversary Model: In varying condition, I have seen them (on eBay) go for $150-$200 with dings and scratches and other detracting features and up to $300-ish if minty. I actually paid $375 for a dead mint one with the original Martin factory case they came with if you bought one from a Martin dealer, but then I'm a Sigma nut, as is plainly evident.

    An old beatup DM-5 from the 1970's is just about the best sounding guitar for the dollar you can get: solid mahogany and solid spruce face, yet they rarely bring more than $150 on eBay. Invest in a set of ebony bridge pins and a good hard saddle (brass or bone) and you'll have sound that would be hard to match at four times that cost in a new guitar.

    Guest! Re-finishing an older guitar (Japan-made DR-28H) tends to re-set the clock on any collector value it may have now or in the future unless there's really horrible damage. It's also hard to do well on a nitro high-gloss finish unless you have a lot of experience with the task. A lot of things can be buffed out of a nitro finish, though. Check with a luthier.


Sterling K. Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 02:10 AM

Thanks for the info S. Webb. I just purchased my CB5 off ebay. The photos are still there if anyone cares to take a look. Ebay # 3760509104. I love the guitar and feel like I got a great price at $150.00. What does everyone think? Thanks for any more info anyone may have including a value.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,spradlin@mchsi.com
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:15 PM

I have a Martin Sigma DR-15 S/N 35039 I bought brand new in 1978. This has been and remains a sweet sounding guitar. The neck is as straight as the day I bought it. I have kept the guitar tuned low to reduce stress to the neck over the years. It has pearl snowflake fret board buttons, Solid spruce top, looks like walnut sides and split back with special inlay in the back seam. It is made in Japan. The edges of the guitar have a Herring bone inlay, abalone inlay around the hole, ebony pegs and rosewood fretboard. Does anyone know anything about this guitar? I wouldn't sell it for anything and everyone who plays it wants to keep it. I would say this has been the best investment I have ever made in guitars. How much is it worth, and any history on it would be nice. I am shopping for another one just like this one but I cannot find any information let alone another DR-15.

Bob Spradlin


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,R. W. Maiden
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:04 PM

S.Webb. Thanks for sharing all the info about Sigma guitars. I was curious to know if you could shed any light about my Sigma. It is a DM-4S (as in Sam) model and also has a "C" designation after the model. The embossed stamp inside says it was made in Korea for Martin and Co. The two serial numbers stamped inside are 286850 on the body and 804158 on the base of the neck. What makes it different is the top is Mahogany sun burst. I don't know if this is unusual or just an option that was offered. I, like many others, am pleased with the sound quality of this guitar. I would appreciate any insite or information you might have on the particular model.

R.W.Maiden


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sport
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 02:50 PM

Hi-I have a sigma guitar with a sideways M on the stockhead-no inside paper label - the #214 is stamped on the inside - it is old but not sure what I have


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sport
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:19 PM

S.Webb, I have read your very informative history on the sigmas - thanks - I am still not sure however , what sigma model and year I have - hopefully you can help - the guitar has the sideways M on the top of the headstock - it has a spruce top and either a mahogany or rosewood side and back - the inside of the guitar is missing the label although you can see bits of the paper - on the inside on the side of one of the wood braces has the number 214 ink stamped - the guitar has aged patina - if you could help me out or anyone out there I would greatly appreciate it - thank you


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:42 PM



    Bob Spradlin, another mystery Sigma, the DR-15! It has to be Rosewood (that's what the R in DR-15 means). Your description of the DR-15 sounds exactly like my mystery Sigma, except that instead of herringbone inlay for the top binding, my "mystery" Sigma has abalone inlay.

    These "mystery" Sigmas must have been made in very small quantities (or they wouldn't still be mysteries). I knew about the DR-9 and DR-11, but the DR-14 reported here was news to me and now, a DR-15! That's two more models I didn't know about. I haven'e found either one in my collection of old Sigma catalogs. That's another reason to suppose they were only made in small numbers, if they get in the catalogs.

    Since the "15" is what Martin called a "quality" number, it's as good as you think it is! I don't know if you have to tune it down so much as to make sure you never use strings heavier than Lights. Light strings have only 75% of the tension of Medium strings at the same tuning, and I've seen evidence that the use of Mediums will damage Sigmas over the long run.

    R. W. Maiden, all I can tell you is that you have a solid wood mahogany Sigma in the DM-4S. I concentrate on buying the Japan-made Sigmas, so I haven't had the chance to look over Korea-made Sigmas. The serial number suggests it might be from the mid-80's, when Martin and the Japanese manufacturers were setting up their joint Korean factories. In a Japanese Sigma the "S" would mean sunburst finish. Today, the "C" would mean Cutaway. Is it a cutaway?

    The "sideways M" logo means Made in Japan between 1970 and 1980. These models are usually the most valued Sigmas, so it was probably a good one. The "214" is probably an internal stock reference and doesn't help figure on the model. Sorry I can't be of more help.


Sterling Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,spradlin@mchsi.com
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:02 PM

Thanks for the Info. I seem to remember the salesmen at the store I purchased it at said it was a limited edition. To me at that time it didn't mean much. It looked good, sounded good and the price was reasonable. I never regretted that purchase. As for the wood, you have to be right....I was mearly guessing. I am assuming abalon inlay is what my back seam is only because it's different then my top edges. I remember the salesmen telling me that the top edge was a herringbone inlay. So I guess I will keep my eyes open on eBay for another DR-15 and grab it if I can. Thanks for the tip on strings...I always use light strings anyway but now I will not feel bad about tuning it up.

Bob Spradlin


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Spikeis
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:52 AM

Just a thought, but being as this thread seems to have "outed" LOADS of us Siggy fans, do you think it's time to pressure Martin into re-establishing the strong links they had with then a few years ago, and AT LEAST MENTIONING THEM ON THEIR WEB SITE!!! Or is it that the low end modern Martins don't measure up to the Sigma's!!! Ooooh I DO so like starting a good slagging match!!!
Merry Crimble all

cheers

Spike

Keep on Sigging!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 12:32 AM

To Allison
I was offered a Sigma DR28A a few years ago free but I would not take it free, I gave the lady $40.00 for it. It is the best acoustic I have ever played. A few weeks ago, I found it had a pick up in it. All these years I did not notice it.

Johnny Pate


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 03:52 PM

Well done.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dogger
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:11 PM

I have a sigma dm-3 accoustic made in korea. Could someone give me a new/used price. I paid $30 for it with a case. Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gator
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 12:54 PM

I have recently found a Sigma DR 12-7 made in Japan. I'm trying to find some info on this guitar. It appears to have a different printing of the logo than the normal Sigmas, which look like the CFMartin logo type. If anyone can help with date, value, quality info, I would greatly appreciate it. It's a beautiful guitar in fantastic shape. Thanks -- Gator


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 11:39 PM

Whew!!!!
Wow. I guess after 2 years of trying to find out about my DR-28, I guess there isn't much more I could learn. Except when it was actually made to the month and year.
I bought it new in January or February of 1980. It has a body serial # of ES22477 and a stock serial # of 034065 K. Since it is possible it was made in 1979, could it be made with solid rosewood sides and back?

If anyone knows, could they e-mail me at chilli1327@yahoo.ca to let me know.

Thanks for all the info from everyone espescially S. Webb. Could S. Webb tell me a little on how he came up with all his info?

Thank you muchly.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest CLM
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:38 PM

Wow I had no idea Sigmas had this kind of a following!
I found this thread looking for information on my recent purchase
of a DM2 N Korean Model SN 93041288 Amazing Tone!
From what i read so far the "2" denotes low quality but the finnish on this guitar is beautiful and it plays like a dream.
The tuners are Grover,is this stock? It also has a pickup hidden inside and when plugged in it sounds great(no feedback)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:37 AM



    Gator, your DR12-7 has the older 1970-79 logo: a pearl greek letter sigma ("sideways M") and the word "SIGMA" in gold, apparently. If so, it probably has a solid rosewood body and solid spruce face. At least all the 70's ones I've seen do, unless it's a 52S DR12-7. Great guitars, built like a tank and very resonant. Go way upstream in this thread to my short history of Sigma for more information.

    Jerry, is it solid rosewood? First, compare the grain pattern on the inside of the guitar with what appears at the same spot on the outside of the guitar. (It helps if the grain is pronounced or stripey.) If they're the same, it's solid woods (one piece).

    If the guitar has a traditonal endpin (not a screw-in strap button) on the butt end, carefully remove the endpin and you can look at the edge of the sidewood and the endpin hole. Very easy to tell if it's one solid piece or a layered laminate.

    To tell if a spruce face is solid, examine the soundhole edge nearest the bridge with a magnifying glass and a strong light. If it's solid, you can see the grain lines run all the way across the edge and disappear onto the underside of the face. If it's a laminate, the grain lines will not match across the edge or not even be visible. You will also be able to see the seam(s) between the layers.

    But the important thing is how the guitar sounds, not the construction details. Yes, as a very general rule, solid is better, but the very best sounding guitar I own has a solid rosewood body and a bi-layer spruce face. It's a hand-built from 1974, made by one of the original luthiers at what became Taylor Guitars, Bob Mossay. After listening to it, old Martins crawl off in a corner and sob uncontrollably...

    Yes, I have other guitars besides Sigma's: Yamakis, Daions, Harptones, G. J. Goulds, assorted Japanese made oddities, a couple of unidentifible guitars, two Harmony's, a pre-war Regal, a few Dobros, Kronbauer, and two of Ted Thompson's wonders, one banjo, and a partridge in a pear tree. I think know a good guitar when I hear it. And like people, they're all different.

    I just bought a Sigma DR-15 like the one described (above) by Bob Spradlin, on eBay (naturally). I just got it today and even with black and ancient strings, it sounds good. In virtually mint condition. It has the GenII logo, so it must be 1980-84, but the serial number is lower than Bob's 1978 model! That's the kind thing that drives ya crazy about Sigma's...

    I can hardly wait to get new strings, ebony pins, and a bone saddle made for it. Drool. Unlike Bob's, it doesn't have an abalone rosette, but does have the herringbone bindings and backstripe, pearl snowflake dots, solid body and solid face, and what looks to be a one-piece neck. It came with the original case which is wood covered in real leather.

    One really odd thing: it has modern sealed tuners (original, not replacements) but instead of cylindrical bodies and caps on the gear drives, they have hexagonal bodies and caps. Very strange. Never seen hexagonal tuners before anywhere.

    CLM, the "N" on the end of your DM-2 interests me. In the older Sigma's the "N" meant a model that was actually assembled in the Martin factory at Nazareth! Look inside on the neck end-block to see if there is anything stamped on it. I had (sold) a DR-35N that had a Martin logo there, with "Made in USA" and a 6-digit serial number. These older "N" models were re-labeled Shennandoahs.

    How'd I learn so much about Sigma's? The hard way. I've bought about 40 Sigma's on eBay. (Yes, 40; fix their problems, set them up, send them on their way again.) Er, some I kept -- too nice, or too much money invested. I also buy up old Sigma catalogs for information, and I scrounge the net for data, too. The really good (rare) Sigma's are possibly the most undervalued high-quality guitars around.



Sterling Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,CLM
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:34 PM

Re; The DM2N,There is no stamp in the neck end block,"Made in Korea"
is in gold leaf on the back of the headstock.
This is the nicest sounding acoustic I have ever played,even if it isn't worth much money.
                  CLM


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,41815nilsson@telia.com
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 06:18 PM

Hi

Got a SIGMA SG-5 marked CF Martin inside and imported to Sweden by LEVIN. As I remember it was named "hummingbird" and I bought it new in the late 70´s. It has SIGMA mark and a M sideways on top of the neck. Anyone knowing anything about this guitar?

/Jan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,1980
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 02:57 PM

I bought a sigma dreadnought in 1980 it is an anniversary model can you show mw that guitar


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bryant
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 05:14 AM

Hi Sterling,

Thanks for all the info. I have a DT-4N that I bought new in 1995 and I was curious as to whether you knew what wood the "T" stands for.

Also . . . although I'd like to think the "N" means it was assembled in Nazareth, both the stamp and the paper label read "Made in Korea" and there's nothing to indicate otherwise. Any other idea what that "N" means?

Thanks again for sharing all your knowledge. My Sigma has been my one and only 6-string for 8 years now and I really love it. Good to know there are other fans out there.

Regards,
Bryant


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,stevehankins@cox.net
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 07:15 PM

Hello:
What a treat to find someone of Mr. Sterling Webb's expertise regarding Sigma guitars. Thank you, sir, and to all who post in efforts to educate about these instruments.

I purchased a Sigma DR-7 recently. It has a stamped brace (made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), no "Ms" or "Ns", but sports an inner paper label where the serial number, 024680, appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo."

It is a solid top, appears to be spruce, has closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", no veloutte (sp), lots of binding everywhere, and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo.

I was drawn to this instrument not by its sound, but by the wood used for the back and sides. I assume its laminate, but it does not appear to be Indian rosewood. It has the chocolate and butterscotch tones of Brazilian rosewood. Not too swirly, but definitely inconsistent with respect to grain width. Bookmatched back. Dynamic sides. Lovely. It is more attractive and, in my opinion, much more desirable than the tight, straight grained, dark browns and blacks of Indian rosewood.

Mr. Webb, and others more knowledgable than I, please help me out here. I'll add this page to my favorites list and check back in a
day or two. If anyone can help me out with identifying the laminate used for the back and sides, I'd be grateful. Also, the guitar's approximate manufacture date would be appreciated.
Thanks for your help, and best regards,
Stephen Hankins
stevehankins@cox.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fredvstar650@wmconnect.com
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 01:29 AM

I have a sigma dr41 serial number 922055 model number s19752.
made in japan. headstock logo SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970
could anyone give me information on what year this was made.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 03:55 PM

Sterling Webb, are you still out there? I have a model GCS-6; serial
# 74080626. I purchased it shortly after graduating from college...Bill Dowdy Music, Battle Creek, Michigan, in 1975. It's remained in amazing condition, especially considering its 30-year history. As I've not found any information specific to the GCS-6, figured I'd come to the mountain an see what the master has to say.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,irving
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 04:55 PM

HOW DO I KNOW IF MINE IS MADE IN TIAWAN OR JAPAN.........
ITSA DM3........i FOUND A SITE FOR SIGMA   AND THEY SAID DM3 WERE ON ENDED IN 79
       aND THEN I HERE HERE THAT ..........THERE R SOME THAT ARE LATER..........
ANY HELP FROM SOMEONE KNOWLAGABLE WOULD HELP......
IS IT MADE IN JAPAN THAS WHAT I WANNA KNOW........THERE IS NO LABEL DOESNT SEEM TO EVER HAVE BEEN ONE.ALSO I WAS WONDERIN IF IT WAS LAMINATED


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy10261
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:54 AM

I have two sigmas a dm1 and a dr41.They are both good guitars the 41 seems to be the better of the two.I have never seen so much info on sigmas.It,s nice to know there are other sigma fans out there that don,t just think of them as martin copys.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 01:39 PM

Hi,

If Sterling Webb is still out there, can You help me with info on my Sigma. I is a dreadnough, all dark, I was told by the seller (bought it in the early 80s, in Gothenburg Sweden)that it was redwood and jacaranda. I imagine the top can be redwood. The guitar in total is a beauty.

The seller was a guy I used to meet windsurfing and he used to work for the Levin Company until they were shut down (by Martin)in the late 70s.

The guitar is marked on the Label in the Soundhole as follows:

"Sigma Guitars, Est.1970, CF Martin & Company, mod. FW 315 G, Manufactured in ....."

It seems allmost like the label is deliberately torn to hide the rest.

It has "Sigma Guitars Est.1970" in gold on the headstock and also "1.7.82" stamped there (a assume build date)

If You share mail adress with me I can send pictures.
(magnushultin@hotmail.com)

The guitar has adjustible stable (which i don´t are much for) but it plays and sounds great.

I am also intrested in if Sigmas were ever built in the Levin factory (the building were torn down 2 years ago)

Best regards.../Magnus Hultin (Levin/Goya obsessed)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JT3
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM

just found myself a Sigma DT12-4 in a pawn shop great tone! whats it worth? minimal wear, and beat up orginal case. thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Coma
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 09:58 AM

So a Sigma DM-5 with gold lettering a´la Martin and a Made in Japan stamed back brace would be made 1980-84. Most likely not solid mahogany back and sides but a solid spruce.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,brebbman
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:08 PM

Regarding Sigma guitars, I have recently purchased a Picador 12 string. I read in another forum that a Picador is a blemished Sigma. If you pry off the Picador sticker/tag on the headstock you will find the Sigma name which is burned/engraved into the wood. I don't have the guts to do it.

So, is it true that a Picador is really a blemished Sigma?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: jackprune
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 02:22 AM

Hey, ... neat thread.

My sigma "52SDM 2" has been through hell. It's been backpacked, camped, banged, burned, baked, dropped, and probably kicked a few times. This thing is a tank and fun to play. It has a full wooden tone with zero tin or ring. It really booms out nicely with banjos, fiddles, and mandos.

Obviously it's one of those 52S's Sterling mentioned. I imagine the 'D' is dreadnaught and the 'M' mohogany. Is the 'S' spruce? What about the the '2' ... it has a paper label, a black painted headstock face ("SigmaGuitars Est. 1970"), no internal Martin stamps, a solid top, and a 8612000524 serial number. I can't figure the sides or back. Great guitar.

Jack P.

jp


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,J.C.
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 12:16 PM

Happen to own DM-4 Sigma. Martin stamp on the inside.Serial number is 89?91003. In exellent condition.As far as I can see, all original.Plays great and sounds amazing. Any information on this guitar would be greatly appreciated. Would like to know the year it was made,where it was made and the aprox. value.
    Thanks...J.C. .


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 12:44 AM

If anybody out there has any books on sigma guitars or has any sigma guitars for sale at fair prices please let me know.badboy10261@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 11:57 PM

IF anyone needs to know the year there sigma was made there is a web site for past models.I found this on yahoo type in sigma guitars scroll down to past models it has the year when each one was made.I thought this info would be helpful.This website is by cf martin.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:45 AM

I've been to the site badboy recommends. While extensive, it doesn't list every model Sigma produced (see my Feb, post regarding my GCS-6). The site, which I believe is provided by Steve's Music, will refer you to Orion Blue Book, which, for $4.00 will indicated the estimated value of your guitar. I found the same source at my local library some years ago...and again, the GCS-6, was not listed. So what do I believe the value of my old Sigma to be? To most, because I bought a hard shell case some time ago, someone might give me the $135 I paid in 1975 or 76. As evidenced by this site, to many, our old Sigma's value is that of an old friend that will get played once a week because we have a relationship. Is it the best guitar in my house? Of course not. Is it my most valued. Without doubt.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 08:11 AM

Can anyone shed some light on the electric hardbodys made by Sigma?
I have 2 at the moment. A strat and a LesPaul. Very good instruments indeed....BUT exremely hard to find any info. about.
Does anybody have a clue where to look, sites, books, anything?


steel_river@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 08:20 AM

Some pictures.

http://members.chello.se/petter-hem/ada/sigma.htm

/p


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sweething2u
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 03:18 AM

I have a Sigma/Martin solid body electric guitar purchased new from a little music store that went out of business 2 years ago. Can't find any information on it anywhere. Can anyone help me? I don't have a clue how long the old man had it in his store before I bought it. I am guessing from it was made in 2000 because I saw one sold on a website and his was a 2000 model. I haven't seen another one and the local music store owners have never seen a solid body electric from Sigma before. It is sunburst finish with a white pickguard. I am thinking of listing it on ebay, but don't know what the value of it might be.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:09 AM

sweething2u

What kind of solidbody?
Strat, LesPaul?
As far as i know, Sigma solids were only produced in the early -70s.
Do you have any pictures(check mine out, above)?

I would say a decent specimen would vary in price from 50£ up to 250£.
It all depends on if you can find the right buyer.

/p


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Steve.Gullick
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 09:29 AM

I have just bought a Sigma DR28H(Taiwaneese)off ebay. It is absoloutly beautiful, it seems to have solid rosewood sides and back but Ithink the top may be a two piece. It came with a set of medium strings and I think they are too heavy as it is incredibly loud, I am going to change them for lights just to see.

As of today, the D14 that was mentioned earlier in the thread is on ebay, it looks like a bargain to me!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SWEETHING2U
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 03:38 AM

My Sigma solid body electric guitar looks like the American Stratocaster except for the headstock. It doesn't have the rounded shape on the end. It's brown with the wood grain showing through (stained) and fades out to black edges. White pickguard, 3 single coil pickups, slide selector switch and 1 volume, 2 tone knobs. Adjustable string bridge with a wha wha bar. 6 on one side tuners. A black stripe down the back of the neck. Made in Korea with serial #S99060222. The headstock says "Sigma Established 1970. I have a digital camera and could email you a picture. I don't know how to post a URL for public viewing. Near mint condition, I would say.

And not to change the subject, but another rare guitar I have is an S800 Epiphone with these words wrote across the front of the headstock in black letters. "Epiphone by Gibson" from 1986. Very nice condition too! Can't find much information on it either. I bought a price guide on ebay but neither of these two guitars are in it.

Sweething2u


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:12 PM

Hi there.
I have an old Sigma Model 52SDM-1, serial number 26416. I believe this guitar was made in the 70's. It plays excellent, looks and sounds great and is in wonderful condition. Any ideas as to who/ how I can identify the year built? I've played this guitar all through the Carribean, and many places on the West Coast of California. Great action, great sound with an under bridge pickup. I now have retired it as my backup guitar to a Taylor LK12.

You can email me at mmiller805@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Mike.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mikey
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:48 PM

anyone hear of a sigma model tbnyb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Samuel
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 11:34 PM

I have a Korean-made Sigma DR-28H. I'e always thought it was laminated rosewood but when I was looking at it the other day, the grain on the back seems to be the same on both the inside and the outside.

Does anyone know for sure if these were laminated rosewood or solid?

Thanks,

Jim


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 03:55 AM

Mine is Taiwan made DR28H. It certainly seems to have solid rosewood back and sides. Mine has the C F Martin & Co as Well as the Sigma logo on the headstock, both inlaid mop - does yours? I have not seen this before.

Steve


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Samuel
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:19 PM

My DR-28H still has the "Made in Korea" sticker on the back. The front side has the Sigma name in MOP inlay, written in the same style as the Martin logo. It does not say CF Martin on the headstock.

Jim


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,CrimsonUA
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 05:54 PM

Thanks for all the Info on the Sigma Martins!

I got a Sigma with the sideways "M". 52SDR-7 Serial #15324 made in japan. It's in mint condition, sat in closet for 30 yrs. lol

I found it in my closet, think my got it during her Hippy years. lol Anyways im learning on it now. :)

About how much would you think it's worth? Should i be learning on it?

Thanks, CrimsonUA


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 07:24 PM

Any hints on where to look for serial numbers?
thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 04:13 AM

Yes, learn on it by all means. It is a sad thing to see kids trying to learn on crap instruments, no wonder most of them give up!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 01:02 PM

Serial Nos seem to mbe either stamped onto the back bracing, on the neck mount or on the paper label.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 07:56 AM

Just came across a Dr28 in the music shop in Newport Shrops. It is Korean good condition, but the build quality is not a patch on mine, it also has laminated back/sides. Sounds bloody good though they are asking £250.00

Steve


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Standog
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:27 AM

I got my Sigma DR12-7 ten years ago and all the bits- machine heads, pegs etc- keep falling off. I still love it though and I's a damn sight better than any of the rubbish that Martin are churning out today. Buy a Yamaha, much more for your money.

Henry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,aminetti
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 12:19 PM

Dear GUEST,don at the bay,

I could be interested in buying your GCS6, in cas you want to sell it. My email il aminetti@mac.com
Best regards

Alberto


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:30 PM

Just bought a DR-9 at a yard sale for $100. The headstock has CF Martin est 1833 (I didn't realize it was a Sigma until I got home). On the inside it has stamped (burned) made in Japan... Was pretty bummed about it not being a Martin, but it sounds and plays pretty darn good and I needed a guitar to bang around on while saving my Alvarez-Yairi (WY-1) for gigs. Seems to have solid body construction - serial number: S84759. A thanks to Sterling Webb for all his information! Any info on my headstock would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Rob
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 11:51 PM

hello, could someone please tell me the difference between a sigma dm-4y and a sigma dm-4. my neighbor gave me the dm-4y but i can only find info on the dm-4
thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steelydon-s@charter.net
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:09 PM

hello, does anybody have any info on the Sigma DR45, it has the gold logo on the head, [SIGMA GUITARS, EST 1970], any info laminate?, what type of wood, year, how many sold ?, i have never seen, or heard of a [DR45], hadf several DR-41 models!, please email, and thank you, Don


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sweething2u
Date: 20 May 05 - 01:39 PM

I still haven't found any information on my Sigma by Martin solid body electric guitar that looks like the strat body but not the headstock. Says "Sigma" "Established since 1970" on the headstock with 6 on a side tuners. Need to know the year. I think is has been made in the last 5 years or so, just not sure.

Also my Epiphone by Gibson S800 solid body electric from 1986-1989. White pearl finish with all black hardware with a tremelo (I am sure I spelled that wrong). Any information would be helpfull. Not listed in the price guide I bought. Listing it on ebay this week. Someone wrote me once and said the blue book says it is worth $385 in perfect condition, and about $365 if it has any small flaws on it. Don't want to take just one persons word on it to be gospel.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 25 May 05 - 12:28 PM

My second guitar was a Sigma, but like any kid I swappped and sold stuff trying to find the "perfect" axe. Thirty-five years later, I have gotten rid of all my "fancy" guitars and have managed to recreate what I had when I was younger: 1959 Epiphone Cabellero (my first guitar); 1971 Sigma GCS-6 (my second guitar); 1954 Kay Mahogany Archtop; 1968 Silvertone Archtop with pickup. I gig with these more often than with my Martins and Seagulls.

The one thing that I don't have and never had, but that I want, is an old Stella... but I told my partners at work that the next one to come into the shop is mine.

Oh yeah... my old Sigma sounds better than my 90's Martins. Age does have some advantages.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 27 May 05 - 07:18 AM

Hey Mike, I posted a note earlier seeking info on the GCS-6 which I purchased in 1975. My continued search for information has not been too productive.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay, again
Date: 28 May 05 - 07:08 AM

For some reason, my entire post didn't make it yesterday. Anyway, regarding the GCS-6, folks at Martin did respond to my inquiry about my old Sigma, but they couldn't fill me in on any details. I'd always assumed solid spruce top...they thought differently. I'm looking now for an old Sigma catalogue, from when they were manufactored in Japan. Any info?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Glen
Date: 29 May 05 - 10:01 PM

Hi, what great forum. I have found little information about Sigma's anywhere else. Sterling, you do have a great knowledge of these guitars with what seems very little information out there to help.

I'm now the proud own of a DM-19 with the "made in Japan" stamp. I'm gathering from what I have read that the top is solid spruce with lam. mahogany back and sides. I'm going to bone the nut and saddle and try ebony bridge pins.

I have a few questions. Can you date the guitar by the serial number? Which serial number do you use? I assume the body one. The number 9 in the model number is still the grading of wood used?

Thanks for the info. and knowledge


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rzanadana@gmail.com
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 01:18 PM

Finally a thread on Sigmas! I recently aquired a beautiful near-mint SE-1N and I can't tell you how impressed I was with it. It really surprised me and it was quite a find. UNFORTUNATELY, someone screwed around with the pre-amp and now it will not function without the battery check button being pressed. Any idea on what I could do about this? I emailed Martin about trying to find another preamp but they haven't emailed me back. Anyone have any information on this instrument as well?

Thank you!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 01:23 AM

I bought my Sigma in 1990. It's a DR-2 and made in Korea. I new nothing about guitars when I bought it, I got it because I could afford it (AU$299). Now all these years later I have been trying to find out info on it without success. I take it from Sterling Webbs great posts that it is a Dreadnaught Rosewood of lower quality (hence the '2') However, I was at my brothers house last night, and he wants to learn guitar. His in-laws are overseas at the moment, so he swiped his father in laws guitar to have a strum. Low and behold it is a Sigma DR-28N. It has Martin Sigma USA on the headstock, and says it was made in the USA. That was a suprise, I never knew that they were made in the US. It was purchased in 1985, and looks like it hasn't been touched since 1986! It desperatly needs a new set of strings, but aside from that, I'm as jelous as hell! Anyway, if anyone wants to fill me in on the my lowly DR-2, all info greatly accepted.

Matt


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,j. kaufman
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:53 PM

First, let me say I've learned more from about my Sigma from this thread than from any other internet source. Special thanks to S. Webb for sharing his knowlege.
Now, to add to his knowlege...
I have a Sigma DR-11 that I bought in August 1979 (I still have the receipt) for $388.00. It has the newer "est 1970" logo on the head, but inside it has stamped directly on one of the braces "made in Japan for CF Martin & co" and next to it..."DR-11". It has a solid top and apparently laminated back and sides. It also has the abalone inlay around the front binding and around the sound hole and abalone fret markers The curious thing (to me) is that the back appears to 3 pieces. Instead of 1 purfling stripe down the middle, there are 2...eminating from the neck and ending at the bottom about 10" apart. You can see the braces inside following the same lines. I don't know if this is common, but my guitar is the only one I've seen like this.
It's been my only guitar since Aug, 79 (I traded my Madeira A-12 in for it) and It still plays beautifully. I still get compliments on it's looks and sound. I had it professionally set up and re-fretted and a bone nut and saddle installed in 1987 and it's been perfect ever since. kaufman@jdkaufman.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kent
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

Hi! I just bought a second hand Sigma DR-41. It is a Japan model and the one who sold it to me, said that it was made in the seventies or eighties. The serial number is 2781. Can someone give me some information about this model? What kind of wood is used - age of guitar - and so on... I would be thankfull! I bought mine in Norway (where I live!).. If pictures can help, I can send by email. My email is: kentjohnsen@chello.no
Best regards, Kent


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 12:13 AM

I'm happy to report that the new Sigmas are every bit as good as the older versions. I just purchased a new DR41 (made in Indonesia). Martin ships the parts over, they are assembled, then the guitars are shipped back to Martin for inspection before selling them. I have several other guitars, including a Guild D46 that I love, but I have to honestly say the DR41 is comparable in a lot of ways. I have played many Martins and this Sigma stands up with any of them. I am glad to hear how solid the older guitars are - I expect this one to last a long time.
Jim


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sterling Webb
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:26 PM



    I've been sick for months, but I am now back in tune. I see there are a few "SIGMA NUT" questions for me that have been waiting for answers! I'm going to start answering them in chronological order, a bunch at a time. Soonner or later, I will get to yours!


    GUEST,41815nilsson asks "SIGMA SG-5 marked CF Martin inside and imported to Sweden by LEVIN." This would have been after Martin bought Levin (and then ruined them). All old logo style Sigma's were made in Japan, and almost all are good guitars. Is this a classical guitar?


    GUEST,1980 asks about a "sigma dreadnought in 1980 an anniversary model." These were made for the 10th Anniversary of Sigma, limited run (100-150), SOLID Mahaogany, SOLID spruce, very high quality -- they appear to me (at least mine does) to have been handmade. If it has no problems and is clean, it's worth $400 minimum. Give it a bone nut and saddle and ebony pins and it with go up against any D-18 around.


    GUEST, Bryant asks: "DT-4N 1995 and I was curious as to whether you knew what wood the "T" stands for. Although I'd like to think the "N" means it was assembled in Nazareth, both the stamp and the paper label read "Made in Korea." The T means a maple body, don't know if solid. If made in 1995, it was one of the last Korean Sigmas, as they switched to Taiwan starting in 93-94. "4" is the highest quality number for maple Sigma's I've seen. The "N" is probably designated a finish, like "S" stands for sunburst.


    GUEST,stevehankins asks about, "Sigma DR-7 stamped brace (made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), but sports an inner paper label where the serial number, 024680, appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo." closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", no veloutte (sp), lots of binding everywhere, and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo."

    This would have made 1980-84. To have both stamp and paper label suggests it was right at the 1980 switchover. I've only see n on one other Sigma. I've never seen a DR-7 (which were the top of the line at that point) with SEALED Sigma-marked tuners, so that's unsual, as is the signature. I suspect you got a real good one here. Most (but not all) post-1980 bodies were laminates, the same laminates Martin imported to build Shennandoahs out of, Not too shabby! I've have two post-1980 DR-7's myself and have sold off half a dozen others, 6 & 12's. To be sure about the body wood, look at the grain runs of the back INSIDE, with a flashlight, then compare it with the grain runs on the OUTSIDE back, several times, several places, sides too. If they match, it's solid; if not, not. I've seen only one Sigma from this period that had solid sides with a laminate back, so...


    GUEST,fredvstar650 asks, "sigma dr41 serial number 922055 model number s19752. made in japan. headstock logo SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970" This would be made 1980 to 1984. The S-number means one particular maker that worked for Martin, but I don't know who they were, only the "S" company! DR-41 is the model. ALL Japan made DR-41's were great guitars, solid woods as far as I know. Does it have solid woods? Another really nice one! If it has no problems and is clean, it's worth $500 minimum.


    I know you guys are probably not asking about values and prices, but I throw that in once in a while. The good Sigmas open go for a little more than the cheap Sigma's because they are so greatly undervalued. Hang on to them, enjoy them, and someday the market will figure it out and their values will rise!


    More questions answered next time. Stay tuned.


Sterling K. Webb


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kent
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 07:58 AM

Hi! Some further details on my Sigma DR41. It is made in Japan. As I wrote here earlier I beliece it was made in the seventies or eighties. The serial number is: 0 027 81 (could it mean that the guitar was manufactured July 2, 1981 or mabye number 27 in 1981???) On the headstock it is written: SigmaGuitars EST. 1970. Would be interesting if someone could help me with some more information about this lovely guitar.

And mister Webb: It is reallt enjoying to read all your knowledge about Sigma guitars inside here! (Maybe you could give me a hand as well?) :-) Have you ever consider to your own website about Sigma guitars? Would be interesting!

Best regards, Kent


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:33 AM

Glad you're back and feeling better Sterling. Next round could you fill me in on the GCS-6, circa '75? Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 12:16 PM

Has anyone seen a Sigma with a "CF Martin & Co est. 1833" neck? It is a DR-9 with a serial number S84759. Did Martin put Sigma on their seconds? I am wondering this because daylight comes through on a couple of seams.

Thanks for any info,

Brad


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Byron
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 09:40 PM

Wow! At last some answers! Mine is a SIGMA DR-35 with a C not too carefully branded behind that in a larger script. S44569 on the brace and 600728 at the neck. Below that is a mark I can't make out. A,K,8 ? Maybe just a blotch. I bought it new in '85 and have never regretted it. I have picked up flattops in the stores lately priced between $1,500 and $ 2,200 that I would not consider trading for my SIGMA. Incredible when you consider I paid about $300 for my "cheap Jap Martin copy." The only question left for me is the 'C' branded behind the DR35 on the brace. This site is now in my favorites list, so I'll check back later. THANKS for all the great info on this site!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Billy Bob
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:40 PM

I have the chance to buy a
Sigma - Martin DR-35N s# 900994
Made in USA
Nazareth, PA.

Any idea what this guitar is worth? Does it have solid rosewood sides/back and solid spruce top?

Would greatly appreciate any information.

Keep on pickin.    Billy


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rrouse4761
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 11:41 PM

I have one of the DJ-7 guitars that seem to be so rare and mysterious according to the quote on this page. Does anyone have any information on this model or perhaps it's value? THanks everyone.


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Subject: Sigma DJ-7 guitar
From: GUEST,rrouse4761
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:18 AM

I have one of the DJ-7 guitars that seem to be so rare and mysterious according to the quote on this page. Does anyone have any information on this model or perhaps it's value? THanks everyone.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Seth G
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 12:12 AM

First I'd Like to thank Sterling Webb for all the info. I have had such a difficult time getting any info on my SIGMA 52SDR-7. Mine has the serial #30499 with the sideways M logo inside. Do you have any more info on this guitar? This was my first guitar and it was givin to me as a gift from a friend. Very solid guitar with a great sound. I will never part with it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,MarcS WOW
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 11:10 AM

Wow i've been looking for a place like this for ever!
I bought a Sigma DM3 from a buddy in high school in 1988. Paid 10$ for it The guitar was in good shape but the case is made out of some kind of cardboard ( propably not original ...) I've been trying to find info on SIGMA's for a couple years now but even MARTIN's web site is not very usefull. Anybody know where I can get info on my guitar? Date of manufacture and stuff like that?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Ashley Reed
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 02:37 PM

Great info here! My father-in-law has a 52SDR-9 which he bought used about fifteen years ago. It's generally in good shape, but needs a new nut, saddle (changing to bone for him) and a setup. I too, would like to find out any info on this guitar, but it seems to be elusive. The serial number is 11209. If anyone can tell the specific date of manufacture or has any information on new MSRP or anything else they can share, I would certainly appreciate it!

Regards,
Ashley


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JJ
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:18 PM

Got my GCR-7 Serial # 73010988 "a rosewood 000-21 clone" for $75 from a friend back in 1988. The paper lable is still very readable, and the "M" above SIGMA on the headstock is pearl. There's a black plastic white edged truss rod access cover above the nut. Although not real loud, it's a wonderful sounding guitar with a very comfortable shape. It's been my beater for all these years, but differs from some 000 Martin attributes. Some exceptions are the adjustable saddle, and a 14 frets clear, modified-V neck profile with a 1 11/16" nut (like an OM-21V?).

Based on the GCS-6 post above, I wonder if the first two digits of the serial number could be the year it was made? Thanks for the information, it's cool to finally find some good Sigma info, especially to learn it's one of the "most desirable vintage Sigmas".

Thanks,
JJ


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DAVIDD
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 10:37 PM

Great site for all Sigma nuts! Hope we hear from Sterling Webb sometime soon. I have a Sigma with a combination of wood, coloring and markings unlike any guitar I have seen before or after. I still think that it is the best looking acoustic (any brand!) I have ever seen. It has quilted maple sides, back and headstock bound in tortoise shell with a thin white stripe. The neck is 20 frets with tortoise shell binding. It has snowflake pearl fret markings and a pearl rectangle with the name SIGMA in the 20th fret. The front binding also has herringbone as does the soundhole and down the back. The tuning keys are gold and enclosed with the Sigma stamp.

The logo on the headstock is "Sigma Guitars, Est. 1970". I bought this guitar around 1980 and the inside bracing has the Sigma Guitars Made in Japan for C.F. Martin stamp. The mystery is the model number. The stamp in the bracing is only partially readable. It looks like D-11 or D-21. I have never heard of a D-21 so I'm guessing D-11 but the first number is hard to make out. I have read Sterlings postings about DR and DM for Rosewood and Mahogany, but what about maple? Anyone heard of or seen a Sigma model fitting this description? I would love to know more about it. Is there any way to tell how many of this type were made and/or its value? Hope to hear more from Mr. Webb on this site. I wish Martin had as much history for us as he does.
Thanks,
DD


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Subject: sigma guitar
From: steve2
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 04:28 PM

in 1978 i traded a bag for a model 52sgcs-4 sigma guitar the sound has gotten beter through the years just wondering if anyone knows anythig about this model.thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dr Alexander Peach
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 05:22 PM

What an enjoyable evening I have had reading the erudite and knowledgeable posts on this thread. I have been playing guitar for some 27 years the past 22 on my faithful old Fender F3 acoustic bought for £79 in the early 80s. Always a bit of a dog to play, but got much better with age; it did make it onto a couple of major label albums in the late 80s as well! This year I decided I needed something decent for home recording so I budgeted £300 and started looking for a replacement. I had no idea what to get but being more of an "ears" rather than "eyes" buyer – if you get my drift – I blind tested a number of new guitars but never found anything I liked; and that included £1000 Martins. Then a friend of mine brought a 1980s Sigma around and I fell in love with its tone and playability. I decided that I might as well see if I could get a second hand Sigma to try out and a quick net search found an advert for a "1980s DM5" in a nearby city. I sacrificed a day and took the train to Nottingham (yes where the sheriff lives) on a speculation. What I was confronted with was a completely different guitar from the one I expected. At first it seemed "uglier" and older than my friend's but from the moment I picked it up I knew it was the guitar for me. A tone as sweet as a virgin's kiss, and a feel like sugared almonds…..I'm getting carried away here! Well, £220 exchanged hands and she's mine. I now know that she is probably a 1979 dreadnought made from pine and mahogany of the 5th best quality! She has a gold Sigma logo on the headstock with the sigma "M" sign in mother of pearl above and has hardly a scratch anywhere. I have no interest in what she is worth as value is a slippery concept and beneath a true gentleman; however, I would be interested in any information on her making and age. Her back is in one piece and - as with her face - one solid piece of wood. A label inside reads: (M) SIGMA CF Martin and Company, Model DM-5, Serial No. 73103540, Made in Japan. Many years of pleasure await, I have not been able to keep my hands off her since we became one! Indeed she brings the poet out in me as every artiste needs a muse!
Yours prosaically
Alex Peach.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest , rusty
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 09:29 PM

To start this entire forum is a GOD send, I've had my Sigma GCS,6 for about 15 years(was my moms) she bought it new in '75' or '76'. I've found nothing about them till now. Awsome guitar. I'm with don at the ebay..... Speak oooSterling Speak!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mark-Glasgow-
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:21 PM

Hello all
What a great find! I was searching for info on Sigma guitars and stumbled across this.I have just bought a Sigma DR7 on Ebay tonight.I had read some info previously,but never knew much about them,untill now...Some great posts! Here is a link to my win:

Sigma DR7

I will let you know how it sounds.
Keep on Rocking!
Mark ;)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jeanette
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 06:10 AM

Sterling Webb - I just discovered you after hours of searching on the web for info on old Sigmas. I am going to be looking at a 52SCS-4 Sigma tomorrow. From what you've already posted, it sounds like this is part of the 52S series made 1979-81 in Japan, "entirely from some very strange laminates". Can you clarify? Should I assume the "CS" stands for a classical guitar made of sapele wood? From what you've written it sounds like it should be a good deal - the seller is asking $125. Any help you or anyone out there can offer would be greatly appreciated!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jeanette
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 06:34 AM

Forgot to mention on the Sigma model 52S CS-4 I'm looking at tomorrow: the serial number is 12,225. I'm hoping someone can tell me just exactly what this thing is made of as the current owner has no clue. Mr Webb?
Anyone?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Geoff in KY
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:16 AM

A friend just gave me a Sigma GCS-2 that was made in Korea. It is in excellent condition, other than having sat in its case for years (I assume w/ no climate/humidity control). She said to send her a check for what I think it's worth, but I have no idea. I want to be fair, so can Sterling or someone out there tell me what the fair market value would be? According to Sterling, Korean Sigmas were made between 1984 and 1993. Thanks. G


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Wayne, frobinso@mindspring.com
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 07:04 PM

A proud new owner adding his good fortune to this sight - Thanks to Sterling Webb for the education I received in researching my purchase. There are a couple of questions for Sterling Webb or any other informed poster to please respond.

1980 Sigma Anniversery Edition Acoustic guitar. Perhaps I overpaid a little at $450 but it made for a content buyer and seller. I purchased from the original owner and workmate, who bought this new for his wife as a gift, and complained because she's only played it about twenty times before finding it's way back into the hardshell case permanently. A few light pickstroke marks across the pickgaurd and perhaps a few about an inch onto the spruce-top finish indicating it those plays. A couple of light scratches only visible on a reflecting light. I would classify the guitar as mint, or near mint. A beautiful guitar and a great sound that carries.

The case was a hard-shell purchased new, but appears to have no brand name associated with the case and no key to lock it.

Identifying marks: Sigma 1980 model Anniversery Edition Made in Japan (stamped Sigma Guitars C.F. Martin & Co, surrounding Made in Japan for…). The number 109 stamped just to the right of this. The 9 was stamped separately than the other, appearing black where the 10 (for model 10) and all other stamping is red-ish brown. Also No S17343 stamped on the same inside cross-brace closer to the fretboard. There is an illegible stamping just to the left of the S (preceding the serial number (could be an N,w/raised o indicating (Serial No), or possibly a capital N, or something else entirely, but I cannot make it out.

There is the numbers 016055 on the inside mahogany woodblock where the fretboard meets the body, with another symbol underneath that looks like the letter K, w/upper & lower V's filled in. 20 frets, solid spruce top, mahogony sides and back (split down the middle/two sections), rosewood fingerboard and bridge with mother of pearl inlays (pointed crosses, alternating square and elongated down the fretboard) w/Mother-of-Pearl Anniversary on twentieth fret, also inlayed crosses on each side of the bridge, with mother-of-pearl inlay also on the end of the string pins. Pickgaurd and binding are tortoise shell and assuming a gloss nitro finish. Tuners are enclosed Sigma. With Mother-of-Pearl SigmaGuitars EST.1970. on the Headstock.

Assuming back and sides are solid Mahogany – definitely the back and sides are Mahogany, just not experienced enough to verify solid versus laminate. I could not get the strap-button off for inspection and the grain inspection matching inside versus out is going to take a another try. The spruce top shows grain wrapping around soundhole – so the top is not laminate. Does anyone know if this is even a concern on the Anniversery Edition?

I read one review that described the Anniversary edition as the marking the end of the solid body tonewoods for Sigma. Are they all solid tonewoods?

Can anyone tell me what the 9 means?

Also will pass along that the dealer told the buyer that this guitar was shipped to the U.S. for assembly. Since I could not clearly make out an N (Nazareth) anywhere I have no way to really know if the dealer was correct.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sirrobertlee@netzero.com
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:14 AM

I Bought a sigma dm4 in 1986 was on a road trip burns junction "dipped a chip and flipped" my 1976 Toyota didnt hurt anyone, but after rolling 4 times and whitnessing the front windshield fall out rolling ahead of me. I finnaly retreved my snapon tools that were spread along the hiway.   My guitar laid ontop of the campershell about 250 yards up the lane I thought for shure it was a gonner rite!@!!   the bugger hadn't a scratch and was still a tune!!!!!!!!!!!

wo wow, Kosby   ...........out.


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Subject: sigma gcs6
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:37 PM

I've posted on this site a couple of times in hopes of learning more about my old GCS6. I came away believing that my old axe is made of sapele, would have a solid spruce top, and was likely built in 1974 The quality of these original Japanese-made guitars were rated on a 1-7 scale, with 7 indicating the highest grade. On a recent net-world wandering, I've come across two GCS6 guitars currently being sold. Both refer to my old guitar as a dreadnought made of mahogany and having a laminated spruce top. I'm assuming the shops that are selling these guitars have not had the benefit of some of the knowledgeable people who have posted here.

There are several reasons I'm going to trust the information gleaned from this site. First, I have three acoustic guitars; a rosewood, a mahogany and whatever the GCS6 is. The sigma's wood does not look like either of the others. Second, if dreadnought refers to size, the Sigma is not a dreadnought. When I pick it up after playing my BR-160 (a dreadnought), it feels like a ukulele. I can't figure out the top, but I interpreted SW's post as saying that anything done in the 70's would have been a solid wood…back and top. Hmmm. By the way, for others who have wondered about the value of this guitar, nobody has bid with less than a day remaining and with a minimum bid of $300.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cstock
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 08:08 PM

I have a DR-7 that I fished out of the closet. I learned chords on it in 1972, when my dad bought it for me when I was in high school. Does anyone have the specs for that model or can tell me where to get them? It appears to be Rosewood B&S and Spruce top. It is beat up but in solid shape (some finish checks on top and plenty of dings). The nut is cracked and can be replaced and the frets need dressing and or replacement. I am considering removing the bridge plate with the adjustable angle bridge holder, with a standard Marting style bridge. The tuners need to have several mounting holes filled and tapped as they are stripped. I may replace with better tuners. Any opinions on whether the investment to fix it up would be worth it?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Steve G
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 04:29 AM

Financially probably no, but it is worth it to make it playable - the sound is superb.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mark...jorsar@fuse.net
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 02:28 PM

ATT. CALLING MR. STERLING WEBB.
Sir, would you be so kind and email me at.... jorsar@fuse.net
Would like to buy an early Sigma!! Thank You, Mark


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,vicdallaire@rogers.com
Date: 05 Feb 06 - 02:48 PM

I have a Sigma Les Paul Deluxe (mini-humbuckers), that I purchased used in around 1988. The headstock has the word SIGMA with the sideways "M" in mother of pearl inlay. The guitar has no markings whatsoever in the form of serial numbers. It simply has a small sticker on the back of the headstock that says "made in Japan". Does anyone out there have any information on the origin of this guitar, ie. year it may have been made, what the value might be today (it is in absolutely mint condition.
Thanks, Vic.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 06:30 AM

Vic, try this location...a "vintage" guitar shop in Sweden.

http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1970s_Sigma_LP-copy.htm


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:29 PM

Hey Vic-
'Les Paul Very rare replica by Sigma. Made in 1970 by Martin guitars (USA) in an attempt to enter the electric market. Shortly afterwards, thanks to Crosby, Stills and Nash, the company's acoustic instruments regained popularity and the electrics were discontinued. It's a glued-neck, sunburst 'Les Paul Custom' i.e. block markers/gold fittings/black scratch plate and pick up surrounds. Seymour Duncan bridge pick-up and Ibanez neck pick-up. Awesome sounds. £350 Email: baz@ukart.com. Ring Barry on 01438 833696. [28-Jan-06]                '


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lee in Canada
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 10:25 AM

Hello Folks,

      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US at the time and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at leoclement@sympatico.ca or respond to this site. Thanks.


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Subject: SIGMA SEJ35B ????
From: GUEST,Canada
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 10:28 AM

Hello Folks,

      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US at the time and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at leoclement@sympatico.ca or respond to this site. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest, drg
Date: 17 Feb 06 - 08:36 PM

hi ,
i have a dr-7, s/n 4437 i bought new in greenbay , wisc about 1970-71. worked an entire summer for the money. i think it was around 170 bucks. plays like a champ. i had a martin d-18 but it did not come close to the sigma. can't explain it, it just is a darn good guitar. rosewood back and sides, spruce top with greater than 10 rings per inch, and i think a mahagony neck. if i could find another low s/n, i would buy it! it sure is nice to see so many people enjoy these guitars. i have always believed they were extrememly under-rated.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Frank in Las Vegas
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 03:02 PM

In response to the above posting by Steve Hankins, 05 Feb 04:

I have a DR-7 exactly like yours; bought it "used" in 1988 for $160 after having had to sell my Martin D-28 four years earlier, (which was kind of a "lemon" anyway). Mine also has the stamped brace (Made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), and the inner paper label where the serial number 037980 appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo." It appears to have a solid spruce top, laminated back and sides, closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", lots of white binding, (including up the neck), and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo. (It is interesting to note that the early Takamines from this period sported the exact logo).

This has always been a great sounding guitar; I took it to the local Guitar Center a couple years ago, and played it in the "humid room" along with the Martins. While of course it could not stand up to the higher end models, it held it's own quite nicely against the D-28 in terms of sound quality.

After finding this web, I ordered ebony bridge pins and a bone saddle from the Martin 1833 shop; the sound quality is much improved! (A nice $40 investment).

Regarding the serial numberings: your's is 024680, mine is 037980. I surmise our guitars were manufactured in 1980; your's is the 24th guitar of the month of June, mine is the 37th of the month of September. (I would like to hear Mr. Webb's view).

While I have my eye on one of the higher end Maritns, (HD-28V), this Sigma is definitely a "keeper".


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Jesus
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:48 PM

I own a sigma guitar EST 1970 CF Martin & Company established 1970.
Model CS3 Serial No. SK 233431. It is in a great shape (I really like it and it is not for sale). Is it a Martin manufatured guitar? I love my guitar and want to know more about it.

Sincerely,


A Martin lover guitar.


Jesus Davila


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,flyfish
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:59 PM

I have a sigma DR-15 what is it worth thank's. ps made in japan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Leo
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:22 AM

Flyfish,

      Email me if you're thinking of selling it. leoclement@sympatico.ca

Thanks,


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: jorsark
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 05:19 PM

Flyfish

Like to have a chance at your DR-15. Email me a price. Thank You,
    jorsar@fuse.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,bryan in north carolina
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 07:45 PM

I have a sigma made by martin dr15 made in japan .like everything eles when was it made? thank's


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:41 AM

Do Sigma guitars have dovetail neck joints?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 06:01 PM

I have two sigmas that i will be selling Early DR-7 with the sideways E and a 2DR-35 that appears to be made from two different woods the 7 is stock and has a high action as the neck sees to be pulling slightly from the body but would be fixable and the 35 is close to pristine and has a brand new fishman in it by a very well established Martin luthier in Portland. I will check back here to see if there is interest and get some pictures ready by the end of March 06.We now are playing Martins (D-42 and D-28 Marquis) that replaced the pair of 35s we were playing.Sold one already.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Canada
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 10:20 AM

Hey Mike,

      I may be interested in your DR35. Send me some pictures and an accurate description. I'm in Ontario, Canada.

      You can email me at leoclement@sympatico.ca

Kind regards,


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Topwrench
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:50 AM

I purchased a Picador 12 string in 1975 new, and later found the sideways M on the head when the picador label peeled off. The paper label on the inside has been long gone, but it is a sweet playing, beautiful sounding instrument. It has a deep body and long neck, but I have no idea what the model is or what it is worth. Can anyone tell me anything about this guitar?? To me it is a wonderful instrument and well worth hanging on to.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Topwrench
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:02 AM

Addendum to previous post- The instrument has a rosewood body and solid face. I bought it while in college from a Martin guitar dealer. He told me it was a martin product. All info appreciated. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sigma Owner
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 01:29 PM

Sigma DR-7S for sale on eBay right now. Dreadnaught Sunburst. bid is at $199.00 with 5 days left! eBay Item # 7397787873


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,djs
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 03:12 PM

any info on my sigma dr45 would be great ser# r839341 made in japan, burned in logo inside on brace. 80s maybe? says sigma guitars est. 1970 on headstock. like new condition. value? thx djs.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Daddog
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

Hello everyone!!! What a wonderful morning to learn about "One of my New Hobbies"!!!! Purchased but yet to receive a DM-4 off eBay for $50.00 with a paper label from Korea out of curiosity!!! It's in the mail so I'm yet to see the headstock or look for a stamp. Anxiously awaiting her arrival and can't wait to put fresh strings on!!! Anyone have any suggestions on string weight, type, etc.?
Keep up the wonderful posts and hopefully I'll be able to help as well!!!!
Daddog


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Julius Lim
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 08:13 AM

I just bought a sigma TB1 today and im loving it.
id like to know more about its onboard electronics. can you tell me something?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JoJo
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 08:47 PM

I have a Smegma guitar, and it always makes my fingers sticky when I play it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Tracy
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 04:32 AM

I just inherited my dad's old acoustic guitar when I told him I wanted to learn how to play. I'm curious to learn more about it. The guitar has a sigma guitars logo on the pegboard, but not as old fashioned and thick-lettered as the 1970 model, but it was a gift to him at graduation in 1975...The inside says DR-7 and the martin guitars stamp, but that's all the information I can find. The back of the guitar has a division up the middle, white with a triangles pattern in it...can anyone help me out here?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Daddog
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 09:17 AM

Tracey...I'm still learning about Sigma's and you can find out much info on this thread. Look at what S. Webb/Sterling Webb has posted about the history of Sigmas here and learn. Seeing pictures would help ID the guitar so feel free to email them to me The DR-7 are top of the line in the 70's. Read the above messages and enjoy...sounds like a nice guitar if it is intact...I have 2 of them!!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,gparsons4@hotmail.com
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 11:00 PM

I used a DM-4 sigma for a number of years and found it to be an excellent player--Had a buddy who used to visit me once a year and he was a great guitar player and had expensive instruments-He would put down his instrument and take up the DM-4-I finally sold it to him-I always used LIGHT STRINGS


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lee in Canada
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:18 PM

Hello Folks,

      This is a copy of a previous post. I still haven't heard from anyone so I'll try it again.

   
      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at leoclement@sympatico.ca or respond to this site. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 07:45 AM

From Steve's Music site:
SIGMA,SEJ-35 JAZZ
MAHOGANY/SPRUCE TOP, 2 DOUBLE-COIL PU's, RED OR BLACK, ELGUIT 1993 - 1993 ...
Refer to Orion Blue Book, which, for $4.00 at Steve's Music will indicated the estimated value of your guitar. I found the same source at my local library some years ago.
-----
Other info about Sigma Electrics

Japanese Martins
Martin's first era of flirtation with electrics ended with its GTs, and, in terms of American production, wouldn't resume until a decade later. However, in 1970 Martin joined the growing list of American manufacturers to begin importing guitars made in Japan, introducing its Sigma series. In around 1973, Martin, like competitors Guild and Gibson, began importing a line of Sigma solidbody electrics made in Japan by Tokai.

Like virtually all Japanese-made guitars from that era, Martin Sigma solidbodies were basically copies of other American models. Martin Sigmas employed slightly different headstock designs, unlike many copies carrying Japanese brand names, but essentially these are similar to most other of these early copies.

In 1974 Martin Sigma electrics included two SGs, a Tele and a Fender bass. The SBG2-6 was pretty much a straightforward SG copy with a bolt-on neck, center-peaked three-and-three head, block inlays, large pickguard, twin humbuckers, finetune bridge, and stop tailpiece, in cherry. The SBG2-9 was pretty cool, with a natural-finished plywood body, white pickguard, rosewood fingerboard with white block inlays, gold hardware and Bigsby. The SBF2-6 was a Tele with rosewood fingerboard, three-and-three head, block inlays, neck humbucker and bridge single-coil. The SBB2-8 was the bass, with natural finished body, three-and-three head, rosewood 'board, block inlays, white 'guard, and two humbucking pickups.

Martin's Sigma electrics fared hardly better than its own electric guitar designs of the '60s. After little more than a year, the electrics were dropped from the Sigma line. The Japanese companies' own replicas, of course, did swimmingly well.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,gparsons4@hotmail.com
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:38 PM

what is the best sigma guitar to buy for the $150 price range ??


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:27 PM

I've been all over the place looking for information.
I have a Picador (Sigma) hollow body accoustic electric.
Aside from the Picador medallion (covering badly damaged gold lettering (SIGMA) and the pearloid Greek letter sigma on the headstock there are no other marks at all!

Description:
Double cutaway;
2-single coil pickups;
vibrato (not M or V);
2-black tophat knobs (1 volume the other tone) one located on the left side of the f hole the other on the right;
Garish red and yellow pick guard that is screwed directly to the body;
2 white on/off switches on the pick guard;
Body is dark brown, solid front and back and seems to be laminate;
Body is bound top, bottom and neck with what appears to be ivory but is probably plastic;
Three on a side tuners, chromed metal;
Neck seems to be bolt-on;
m.o.p. dot inlays on fingerboard (can't tell what kind of wood)

The only other information I can provide is that I purchased it at auction in Wilmington, N.C. sometime between 1994-1996. That close to Camp LeJeune I'm pretty sure it is Japanese or Korean. I don't really care how much it's worth. I'd just like to know what year, make and model. Please Help!

I'll post pictures as soon as I read the FAQ on how to do so.

Thanks,
Chief Chaos


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,ernielou912@yahoo.com
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:22 PM

My grandfather gave me his Sigma 12 string a few years ago. I have a beautiful Martin guitar, and the Sigma has just been sitting in the case. Now, I'm interested in selling it, but I have no idea what it is worth. The stamp on the inside says DT12-4, it is a 12 string, the headstock says SIGMA est. 1970 in something that bears resemblance to mother of pearl. It has sunburst sides, back, and front. It is in excellent condition, though I did have to replace one of the original bridge pins when I got it. No dings or dents, and the neck still retains its shape. Anyone have any idea on what is approximate value might be?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,brian
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 02:21 PM

I just bought a Sigma 12 string dr12-7 for $100. To me it was definately worth it. It sounds great, plays great. I'm assuming I got a good deal? any info greatly appreciated. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 01 May 06 - 11:09 AM

Transplanted from older dead thread:

I've been all over the place looking for information.
I have a Picador (Sigma) hollow body accoustic electric.
Aside from the Picador medallion (covering badly damaged gold lettering (SIGMA) and the pearloid Greek letter sigma on the headstock there are no other marks at all!

Description:
Double cutaway;
2-single coil pickups;
vibrato (not M or V);
2-black tophat knobs (1 volume the other tone) one located on the left side of the f hole the other on the right;
Garish red and yellow pick guard that is screwed directly to the body;
2 white on/off switches on the pick guard;
Body is dark brown, solid front and back and seems to be laminate;
Body is bound top, bottom and neck with what appears to be ivory but is probably plastic;
Three on a side tuners, chromed metal;
Neck seems to be bolt-on;
m.o.p. dot inlays on fingerboard (can't tell what kind of wood)

The only other information I can provide is that I purchased it at auction in Wilmington, N.C. sometime between 1994-1996. That close to Camp LeJeune I'm pretty sure it is Japanese or Korean. I don't really care how much it's worth. I'd just like to know what year, make and model. Please Help!

I'll post pictures as soon as I read the FAQ on how to do so.

Thanks,
Chief Chaos


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Chuck
Date: 11 May 06 - 08:31 AM

Great thread. Thought I'd add to the knowledge base. My Sigma is a 52SGCS-4,#12930, Made in Japan. I bought this guitar new in June 1976. That is 3 years earlier than Sterling mentioned in his post regarding the 52s series. This guitar sounds fantastic. Sweet and rich. It's my one guitar that will never be sold. I have to fight my 15 year old daughter for it when I want to play it. Hope this info helps.

Chuck


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,the oldin days
Date: 13 May 06 - 06:09 PM

i played a black sigma bass for about 8 years.it had twow small pickups staggered close to one another (it was a solidbody)cutaway
it was one of the best basses i ever owned after putting it through many rough gigs and abuse i stopped playing music for a while and sold it now i was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me how to find another one i can't find crap about them through the search engines.

thanx


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,EMA
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:41 AM

When I was a child, my grandfather bought me a Sigma Martin Classical Guitar made of Rosewood and with ornately carved tuning pegs that looked like mother of pearl. It had to have been one of the first models, as my grandfather died in 1970.

In a misguided effort to simplify my life about ten years ago, I gave it away to a friend's son, but now that my own son is studying guitar, I wish I had it again. Is there any way for me to identify what model it was, find a similar vintage model, and figure out how much to spend???

Thanks,
Emily


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM

Hello I've got a Sigma DM-5 made in Japan and has Serial NO 73071466.

It has got the gold plain sigma head-sign and an ebony M on it.

I always thought it was not much of a guitar (although it sounds good), almost gave it away to a friend.

Question:
Is it all solid?
What year was it made?

Thx!

Frank


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B.
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 06:45 AM

Great info here!

I just bought a Sigma DR-11 exactly as described in an above post by J. Kaufman on June 16, 05. Same 3 piece back and lots of mother of pearl around the sound hole, the body binding and down the neck. I am a total novice and got the guitar at a pawn shop with a new hard case (that they threw in) which also contained an electric tuner, a sling, a Dean something wooden microphone pickup thingy that goes across the sound hole and a couple of picks. I am teaching myself to play and my daughter and wife are both learning too. Got the works for $179.00 so I expect I did all right eh?

I'm interested in learning more about the DR-11 and it's rarity/production numbers.

Also, several mentions have been made about installing bone nuts, and ebony pins. Where would I look to find these? I'm handy as heck with making about anything and I was wondering about making a nut from something like a piece of deer antler. It would be a piece of cake for me I think, I just don't know about the sound qualities but bone is bone more or less....aint it?

p.s.

Mr. Webb, where are you???????????


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:32 PM

What does the GCR stand for? I am guessing the 'R' is rosewood. But what about the GC; anyone know?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,The medic
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:24 PM

I believe it's "Grand Concert"..... A Folk sized guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jmagro
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:39 PM

I have a DR-7 which I bought in 1971. The guitar was in mint condition unfortunately, it was on my guitar stand and the cats jumped off there tower and knocked the guitar down; it broke the neck. I took it to have it repaired but you can still see the crack. Should I leave it as is or replace the neck? (I'have played the guitar so much, the fretboard now has deeps grooves on it) I'm wondering if it would diminish the value of the guitar..


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:06 AM

The Sigma DR41. Is it any good. How does it compare to a taylor


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: Scrump
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 09:38 AM

I wouldn't expect a Sigma to be better than a Taylor but I'd be interested to hear from anyone who thinks I'm wrong. I guess it depends on the models you compare, but I have a Sigma and it's pretty good for what it cost me, but I very much doubt it's as good as a Taylor (although I've never got close enough to a Taylor to try one).


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 03:33 PM

Anyone know what the GCR stands for?
thanks,
Richard


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 12:20 PM

I own a Sigma DR-11 that is appointed exactly as described in Dave B.'s post of July 15th, 2006; J. Kaufman's post dated June 16th, 2005 and Sterling Webb's post of November 3rd, 2004 where he states that he had heard the DR-11 was the rarest Sigma model.

Adam St. James, who is or was the editor of Guitar.com, owns a Sigma DR-11 as well. In a product review for the Fishman Aura that Adam wrote for Guitar.com, he describes the Sigma DR-11 as a "beautifully appointed, lower-priced version" of Martin's D-45. Mine looks exactly like a D-45 with the exception of the 3 piece rosewood back and bracing. If anyone knows how to contact Adam, he may be able to shed some light on the value and rarity of this guitar. My emails to him have kicked back as undeliverable.

This thread is the only place I have ever found in the twenty five years I have owned my DR-11 where it has ever been mentioned. I have had numerous Martin dealers tell me that the model number never existed.

I am very interested in establishing a value range for the DR-11 in mint condition with an original hardshell factory case.

Does anyone have any idea other than the original cost in 1980 of around $400?

Please advise,

George E. Brown III


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,The medic
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 09:42 PM

If you're thinking of sellig, I got 20 bucks for ya....lol. (Sorry). Your best bet is to place it on ebay where thousands upon thousands of whatchers will dictate the actual value. Many believe that guitars usually sell for pretty much what they are actually worth on ebay. Email me some pictures, if the price is right, I might be interested myself. leoclement@sympatico.ca


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 10:02 PM

Hey georbro, is your Sigma solid or laminate top? When I got mine I thought it was a solid top but after having it outside in sunlight one day I figured out that it is a laminate top. (Mild bummer for value but I still love the sound) I'm guessing mine may be from right around the transition time from Japan to Korea as it's stamped made in Japan but the number on the neck block has a K in front of it. Of course, that may be coincidence? I just bought some Martin acoustic SP 80/20 bronze strings for it today but have not put them on yet.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:27 PM

DaveB,

My Sigma DR-11 has a two piece spruce top with a seam so fine you can barely see it. The giveaway is the change in hue and grain right next to the seam. It does not seem to impact the sound enough to tell that it is not a single piece of spruce.

The "K" on your neck next to the serial number is not likely for Korea, mine has a "K" as well and during that era the Sigma guitars were being made solely in Japan. Later they were moved to Taiwan and the quality suffered, but I have never heard of any made in Korea.

By the way, I did get in touch with Adam St. James, but he could not relate any information about his Sigma DR-11 other than when and where and how much he purchased it for. He suggested vintage guitar dealers and a website called Gbase.com. I looked for one on Gbase and returned a big fat nothing, so the guitar is as rare as we believe it is.

Adam St. James has a cool new website where he reviews musicians new releases and sells some very good books about guitars, vocals, recording, lead styles, etc. It is simply AdamStJames.com.

Thanks for asking about my DR-11,

George E. Brown III


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:35 PM

Medic,

Unfortunately I have to disagree with you about the fairness of value pricing on ebay these days, ebay is not what it once was and a lot of folks have discontinued using it for more than reasons of just price.

Ebay has become a bargain hunters forum where value means little and the lowest price means everything. In the case of the Sigma DR-11, it is likely so rare that there may not be much demand for it at all because it is virtually unknown.

I had an idea one time about starting a website called "ConsignmentMusic.com" and even researched the name only to find that someone in Mississippi had the name reserved already. It was a simple idea where sellers could pay a small fee to post photos of their items and then deal directly with potential buyers via email. This concept has been extremely successful in the audiophile quality audio and video arena. I do not know why no one has done it for musicians yet.

I still cannot establish a reasonable value for the guitar yet, but I am working on it. When I do, I will let you know first.

George E. Brown III


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 06 - 03:15 PM

I think the DM-4Y is a youth model with a shorter scale.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bobby
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 06:09 AM

Hey, I hope Webby's alright. The last time he posted anything here was Jun 05. Shit, I hope he's OK! I learnt a lot of stuff of that dude, not just about Sigmas. Though Sigma guitars was obviously the impetus. Come back Webby, if your still there? If not, I'll catch you up later:-)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,lisa
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:27 AM

I have an Sigma 10th anniversary acoustic guitar and am trying to asses it's value for resale. Any ideas? Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lisa
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:32 AM

I forgot to mention in my email that the Sigma 10th anniversary acoustic Ihave is a DM-18 model withsolid top and a few extra inlays with "Anniversary" inlay on the neck and some diamond inlays on the bridge. Built in 1980. Aain, looking for resalle value. It has hardly been used. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM

I have a DM1-ST (? IIRC, haven't got it in front of me to check), made in Korea. Considering what it cost me (not a lot) I think it has been exceptional value and better than a lot of guitars I've tried costing several times as much, but not as good as the Martins I've tried.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bob in NE OH
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 03:33 PM

Wow! I've been trying to find some info on my Sigma guitar for a year or so and, as has been said by others, I've learned more in this thread than anywhere else. It's a DT-3 model probably from the mid-80s and I'm pretty sure it's a laminate but it sounds great to me. It's acoustic/electric and I play it through an old Fender Musicmaster bass amp. The tubes really give it a warm sound. It really doesn't quite stand up against my friend's all solidwood Blueridge BR-160 though. The best thing about mine is the appearance. The top (layer anyway) is kind of an orange colored sunburst in flamed maple. Also has a matching flamed maple headstock with gold colored Grover tuners (not original) The bridge pins are brass and have tops that match the flamed maple of the soundboard and headstock (even showing a "grain"). Beautiful guitar. Probably not worth much money-wise but that has no meaning to me since it was given to me by my friend for my 40th b-day.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,julian
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:40 PM

I would like to talk to you about that Anniversary Sigma. Please call me at (808)381-5611


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 06:34 PM

I own a Sigma DR-11 as well. Would love to know more about it.


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Subject: GCS - 6
From: GUEST,shona
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 05:19 PM

We lucked out and found a GCS-6 at a garage sale.

Like Don at the Bay, we were also looking for info on it and can't find any.

It's the mystery model, it seems.

Anyone know how much it's worth, drop me a line (sblack2 AT uwo.ca)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:50 AM

I have a sigma dcm-18 (rosewood cutaway) bought it in 1993 in manchester, UK. Best acoustic guitar i've ever owned in fact. Now in 2006Hope to purchase the Sigma SDR-41 very soon. Can anyone give me info on it? Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,davesg1
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:37 PM

trying to find info on a SDR-28. Made in Korea. also has the letter "C" marked into the back brace. Head reads "Sigma est 1970"

Anything would help. If you have any knowledge, my e-mail address is davesg1@verizon.net

Thanks

Dave


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,davesg
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:52 PM

Like others, this is about the only thread I have seen dealing with Sigma's. I recently was given a Sigma SDR-28, made in Korea. I would like to find out more about it. the only information I have found suggests that it was made sometime between 1987-1991. There is a "C" stamped on the back brace. Someone suggested in this thread that it might stand for cutaway, but mine is not a cutaway. It appears to have a solid top. If it isn't, someone did a fine job of matching the pieces. I has the Sigma Guitars inlayed with mop and a gold colored est 1970 underneith it. I haven't seen anything in this thread that mentions the "S" before the DR-28. Any information would be appreciated.   

My e-mail address is davesg@verizon.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:24 PM

Sigmas can be all over the place in quality and sound. The ones to look for have the inlaid name plate and made in japan. I have had two now, the D18 clone was absolutely wonderful and I deeply regret ever having sold it. I now have a DR28 which is something of a D28 clone, laminated back and sides, V neck. Its OK but not a patch on the old 18 model, or for that matter my martins.

I also had a korean one - yuck. Heavy, laminated top, and a transfer logo. Flicked it immediately it was rubbish.

Looks like go for the older you can, and make sure you test it. the good ones are 90% of a martin, for pocket money prices.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

You guys with the DR-11's, when I asked about the solid spruce top, I was refering to laminate vs. solid not single piece vs. a splice down the center. Mine is laminate top but it sure sounds good. Just wondering of some were solid top.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMA DJ-7
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:21 AM

I have one of the Sigma DJ-7's and would love to learn more about it. If Mr. Webb still follows this thread please contact me.

Thanks!

Scott
scott_dc2001@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jai
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM

hi...i hav a martin sigma and model number is GC1ST serial is 8050280.can any one give me some history on the guitar as i hav just started playing and would like some info on it...Thanks!!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,tlmksm93
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 11:17 AM

YEAH, I GOT MY DAD'S GUITAR WHEN HE PASSED AWAY AND IT IS A DM-2 WITH HTE SERIAL #9302000278 JUST WONDERING WHAT IT IS WORTH? I WOULDN'T SELL IT FOR NOTHING TO SPECIAL TO MY HEART SOMETIMES WHEN I'M PLAYING IT REMINDS WHEN I WAS A KID AND MY DAD AND HIS BROTHERS PLAYING WHEN THEY WERE SITTING AROUND HAVING A GOOD TIME,SO LIKE I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS WORTH,EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRICELESS TO ME!!!!


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Subject: RE: sigma 335 guitar
From: GUEST,WAYNE FORD
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 04:59 AM

HI, I HAVE A SIGMA 335 WHICH I HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED, BLONDE WITH GOLD HARDWARE,BLOCK INLAYS ROSEWOOD BOARD,FINISH AND CRAFTSMANSHIP IS FLAWLESS,IT IS ABSOLUTELY MINT WITH CASE, PLAYS BETTER THAN THE TWO 60'S GIBSON 335'S I HAVE OWNED, WOULD APRECIATE ANY INFO AND DETAILS ABOUT THE GUITAR. THANKS!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,RVT
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM

I have a DR-11 I bought in Chicago in 1982 or so I seem to remember paying a litle less than $400.00.   130354 K under the number.   It had s been through the mill, sort of worn in the sound hole from using a pick up but it's all original and I play it all the time. It sounds sweet an looks like a much more expensive guitar (that's been not too gently used.)

I would have sworn it was 1 piece but I look REAL close and found the seam down the center of the top-this after 28 year of playing it. I love it and wouldn't part with it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rvt
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM

The number stamped inside on the back strut in S 94289 and 13354 k on the neck inside.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 06:52 PM

Just picked up a Sigma Martin USA DR28Folks this is a 1981 or 1982 Genuine Martin D-28. It sounds awesome! How many did Martin actcually make in USA? What's the deal?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:35 AM

I have a Sigma guitar and I can't find anything on it: Model is 0RC-40, Serial SE12708. It is shaped EXACTLY as a Les Paul. I baught it more than 20 years ago and remembered I payed aroung $800 Canadian. There is a piezo pickup under the bridge with a tone and volume control.

It is very hard to play; the strings are very hard to bend and the frets are thinner than a hair. I wonder if a luthier can make it play like butter?

S.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 10:38 AM

I just bought but have not picked up yet a DR 7.   japan ser 23178. Is this one of the good originals, I paid $120, good price?   headstock has the large SIGMA script with the greek symbol above not the martin lookalike writing

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 02:59 PM

Hey Neil,

      120 bones for a vintage Japanese DR-7 is a smokin' deal !!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest scott
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

I have just purchased an SDR-35. It is in wondrful condition. I may entertain thoughts of selling this guitar, if the price is right. You can E-mail me at eee.zeee@yahoo.com , All I have been able to find out so far is was made between 1987 and 1991.Maybe you can help me find out more specifics.Truthfully its probably not going to be sold. It sounds, plays and looks awesome.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 11:23 PM

Picked up my $120 Jap Dr-7. Mint condition think it's a 78. ser #23178   Its all laminate but absolutely amazing rosewood back and sides. the back is flamed at a 45 angle and wild to look at    it looks way better from the back than the front. best part is the sound though even though its all laminate the bass is awesome and the top end rings like a bell. i'd like to add a pickup to this one   any suggestions

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,doremient
Date: 03 Jan 07 - 12:20 AM

My husband has a SBG2-6 that he got from a friend about 15 years ago. He never thought anything about it. He recently started doing searches online for info on sigma's and the SBG2-6. There isn't much info we can find on it except that it is a rare electric.
Anybody out there have any more info on this model?
info@doremientertainment.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 11:48 PM

This is the ONLY page on Google to come up from my search for Sigma 52SRD-9. I have had serial number 18239 since 1978 when I bought it from a high school buddy (I think he bought it new, or maybe used.)

In the 80's had passive pickups put it (Martin brand) and played it to lead music for youth groups on and off. Now, 26 years or so later, I upgraded the pickups. I think its sound compares to ANYTHING I have heard amped.

This model has the sideways "M" or "sigma" in pearl above the gold block letters as have been described earlier. This is a solid top for sure, and I am about 90% sure the three-piece back is also sold (I can see the grain through the sound hole that I believe matches that of the back (rosewood).

This is a flat-picker, finger-picker's dream guitar!

Oh, not for sale. Just thought I'd see if anyone knew actual year info--I KNOW it is over 29 years old, since I have had it that long.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dan the weatherman
Date: 21 Jan 07 - 04:24 PM

For about 10 years I've owned a Sigma Guitar. I've always wanted to know more about it. (long story short) A man gave it to me.

The inside label reads:

Sigma Guitars
C.F. Martin & Company
Model: CFM - 12N
Serial No. 891000014

(not sure about the last digit, looks like a 4 but may not be)

Made in Korea

Anyone with information, or know a souce to check, please
let me know.

Dan the weatherman
ilikeweather@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,dekcat
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:31 PM

anyone know anything about the models with just sigma & a sideways m on the headstock & an approx value. any help would be appreciated


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:54 PM

Hi Dekcat

      Email me with the model number. themedic911@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,daddog
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 04:34 PM

Hello Dekcat,
I will probably be able to point you in the right direction concerning your Sigma....give me an email @ daddog66@msn.com and I'll give you some information!!
Thanks,
Daddog


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Meg
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

Anyone know what the Sigma black cutaway TBNYB very good conditionis worth these days?

Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Redeye
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 11:38 AM

I have a Sigma/Martin solid body electric guitar (Stratocaster style) purchased new in 2001 from a little music store in Billings, Montana. Can anyone provide me with some information about it (model, value)? I have seen a couple on ebay, but they didn't list a model. It is tabacco sunburst finish with a white pickguard. It's serial number is S99090155 and is made in Korea. Has "Sigma Established 1970" on it. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Redeye


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Subject: Sterling Webb sighting
From: fret nut
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 09:00 AM

Mr Webb. has posted info on a Levin Sigma on an ebay (Feb 9 2007) listing. So he's still around it seems. Or someone is playing games


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Doctor J
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 09:56 PM

Mr. Sterling Webb (Sigma Expert)

You probably get tired of all the e-mails requesting your expertise but it is obvious to me you may be the only one in the USA with such knowledge. I have a seen your comments on the DR-7 as being one of the most desireable Sigmas. I bought a Sigma DR-8 second handed around 1982-83. It has the paper sticker made in Japan in the sound hold. The serial is 34912. The headstock has the Sigma Guitars est 1970 in script and the headstock is bound in white iveroid. The tuners are chromb and are enclosed. It has the usual nicks, for the age but is still a beautiful guitar and is a pure cannon. I have three taylors, a Larivee and have played with a lots of Martins and this Sigma is no slouch. Please sir, if you know anything about this paticular model please let me know.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,c fordson
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:19 AM

Blueridge Guitars


any info on the Blueridge line of guitars, as shown above?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Craig
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:09 PM

I just bought a Sigma DR 12-7 in good to very good shape* i was wandering if anyone knew what it's worth???????


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Craig
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 08:05 PM

oh ya the serial # is 8182


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 06:01 AM

I just bought a Sigma of Martin and Company Made in Japan. Serial # 8182. Model Dr-12-7 with what I believe to be the original hard case. This guitar has the paper sticker inside and the Sigma name on the head is not like the others It just says sigma in bold lettering with a mother of pearl, sideways (M) obove it?
It plays awesome and has sustain for days and seems to be in good to very good condition.
Does any one know what it could be worth?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 09:49 AM

Hey Craig    It sounds like a good one 1st generation japanese. Need more info as to construction, solid/laminate??? etc.   12's generally don't fetch as much as 6 strings but given it's age (70-79)( serial #is low so it wiil probably be 75 or earlier). I'm thinking between $300-$400 subject to inspection. If anyone else wants to jump in here giddyup. I own a 1st gen dr -7 6 string (not for sale) and i have seen them go for up to $600 mint on ebay. A good guitar if its structurally sound.

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerry allen 312
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:25 PM

i bought a mint dr-7 from ebay absoluty perfect finish no scratches or dents of any kind. i have it at the luthier getting it set up right. ser no is 7128 has side way m above sigma and o fret at the nut. i was under the impression these were solid wood guitars but luthier says it is lamanite. i would surley appriciate any thought on this gang. thanks jerry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:14 PM

Jerry   they are usually solid , but I also have an all laminate DR-7. Not to worry   the sound is not audibily different to 99 out of 100 ears. Arguably laminates wll stay sraighter/longer than solid woods, given the solids are more prone to warpage.

I would not trade mine for a solid at this time, (It's also one of the first gen sigmas)   Yours is a valuable instument enjoy it and rest assured laminate or solid you own a very fine music maker

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 08:55 AM

c.fordson, you asked about the Blueridge guitars. I bought a BR160 about a year ago. The inlay, banjo sized headstock and "aged" (call it yellow) coloration on the guitars top are a bit much, in my opinion. But man is this guitar a cannon. Solid rosewood body and solid spruce top (that doesn't match up all that well) make it a real deal at about $500. Google the model you want and you'll find a better deal than the site you have posted. I got mine from a shop in Kentucky. Though I am very leary about online guitar purchases, the salesperson said I could send it back if I didn't like it (a thing I have done with other guitar purchases), but he insisted I'd keep it. He was right.

As a side note, I was offered about the same amount of money that I paid for the BR160 for my gcs-6 discussed on this site, and there is simply no comparison between the guitars. I have 4 guitars laying around my house (washburn and gibson) and I ALWAYS go find the Blueridge...though I will still never part with the gcs, as that's the guitar I grew up with. I expect that in 35 years folks will be discussing their BR's in much the same manner they speak of Sigmas here.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,PAF Man
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 11:21 AM

I have a Sigma SBF2-6 -- the Tele copy. I would put it in 7.5/10 shape, with the important things just fine: neck's straight, no cracks, etc. It does not have the original pickguard, however. Does anyone know whether a Tele guard will fit this (a guard with the humbucker hole in the neck, of course). Another question: By the time I'm done with this, it'll have a new pickguard and a new pot or two, plus non-original volume and tone knobs (although they match the originals). How much will this affect the value? Or are these interchangeable without hurting value?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lonhoiden
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:30 PM

I got two Sigmas, one DM-5 Japan made, wich is a very nice guitar, and a DR-2wich I find a mighty fine instrument. This has the Pearl inlay logo on the headstock and a paper etiquette inside with Sigma made for Martin etc. and the serial number. I can't find any info on place of production on this one anyone who can help.


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Subject: Info on Martin Sigma electric guitars?
From: GUEST,PAF Man
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:18 PM

I have a Martin Sigma SBF2-6 Tele copy. I have done all the Web research I can, and I know that they were made in 1973-4 -- the only year Martin made this generation of electrics. They were Tokai guitars, actually, and are supposed to be wonderful instruments. Mine's a not-quite-as-pristine version of this one, that sold on eBay recently. I'm wondering if anyone else is a collector/maven of Martin Sigma electrics?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-TELE-C-F-MARTIN-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-MADE-BY-TOKAI_W0QQitemZ140080509384QQihZ004QQcategoryZ119094QQcmdZViewItem


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar, SG-7
From: owain
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:51 PM

Hi, i'm looking at a sigma SG-7, i belive it to be a gibson copy from the late 70's / early 80's. I've only found a result on goole for a SG-5 on this site, the others were funnily enough in sweden. What i would like to ask is are they any good in the scheme of things, what would their value be and any history to boot would be awesome.
Cheers,
Owain.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Michele
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

Hallo from Barcelona, Spain.
all the people have tried my end 80' SigmaGuitars DM2 (or 3, it is not well stamped)n° 232209, made in Korea n° 2, most of them much better player than me, recognized the good sound and quality of this guitar. Recently I started again to play this guitar whith new set of good quality thin cords: it's a fantastic guitar in sounds and aspects. Very proud of the circa 150$ I spent in Italy (my country) at that time, a big effort for a 18 years old guy loking for his first acoustic guitar: so, doubly proud and happy to have found this forum of SigmaGuitars estimators.
Thank to all writers for the precious information I have found here.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Nettleton at hartford.edu
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:27 PM

Hey Sterling,

   I'm looking to get a sigma guitar, and I stumbled across a sigma martin SDR-28S I was just wondering if you or anyone could let me know what it may sound like?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dano
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:04 PM

I have 1 Dr-7 with the paper label and the inverted m on the headstock..all the above info is very helpful..looks like I have a good one..just wondering if anyone could decifer the serial number for the rest of the picture..# 75100202


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerryallen 312
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 10:20 PM

hey neil i got the dr-7 back from the luthier today, plays like a dream sounds good for the money.[ but] not nearly as good as my 52 d-18. however it plays eaiser than the martin and all in all im a happy guy, thanks for the come back on the last message, made me feel a lot better about my purchase of the dr-7 ,again thank you. jerry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 01:07 PM

Jerry    Glad you are happy. I knew you would be. By the way ,what type and guage strings did your luthier suggest?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerryallen312
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 09:04 PM

light guage martins, eaiser on the fingers and guitar. thanks jerry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave Talbott - Richmond, VA USA
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:55 AM

Sterling Webb - Your Articles have been golden to me. I have purchased 6 of your most recommended guitars so far - and am seriously interested in more information. I remember that you were acquiring a number of older catalogues, books, etc. on Sigmas - and am interested in a more direct contact with you. Please write me if you're willing - at:
    lighthors@yahoo.com    Thanks! Dave


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars - STERLING WEBB contact needed
From: GUEST,Dave Talbott - Richmond, VA USA
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:58 AM

Sterling Webb - Your Articles have been golden to me. I have purchased 6 of your most recommended guitars so far - and am seriously interested in more information. I remember that you were acquiring a number of older catalogues, books, etc. on Sigmas - and am interested in a more direct contact with you. Please write me if you're willing - at:
    lighthors@yahoo.com    Thanks! Dave


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,elif
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:41 PM

hi from İstanbul, TURKEY,
i've got a sigmaguitar,1970, martin and co.made in Korea.electroacoustic.serienumber isn't written.
i cannot find knowledge about it.if you know something, write me.
thanks
ELİF


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jimj Nugent Maple Glen, PA
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:16 PM

I have a Sigma DR28H, ser. 42508, made in Japan. I purchased the guitar in the early '80s. Anybody out there know the value of this beautiful piece. I haven't touched it in at least 20 years. It's in excellent shape. Thanks in advance for any help.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM

I have a Martin Sigma with the Sideways "M" on the headstock. It does not, however, have the block gold foil SIGMA... just the inlaid M. I can't seem to find a picture that is similar on Google. Any ideas? I will check the serial and make when I get home, but if this headstock design sounds familiar, I would love any info anyone might have.

Thanks,
j


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:18 AM

I have a Sigma model 52SDR-7 that was bought new by my father and given to me. According to the brief history early on in this thread, these models were made in small numbers from 79-81, and were made entirely out of "strange" laminates. I'm somewhat confused however. As far as I can tell, the guitar is made out of all solid woods. It has the first generation logo on the headstock and a paper label. The serial number is only five digits (127070, all of the numbers I've seen posted here (I confess I didn't read them all) were six. Anyone know what the story might be here? The guitar sounds great and is still in near perfect condition after 30 years of 12 gauge string tension. The only evidence of wear is a slightly worn fretboard and a slight bulging of the top behind the bridge (which I'm having looked at tomorrow). In the last few months (most likely from my recent move from humid Miami to arid Blacksburg, VA) some string buzz has developed when fretting high on the neck. I bought a humidifier, this guitar is too good to take chances.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:27 AM

I just found out something else. This model is not listed on either the Sigma web site or in the Orion Blue Book. The closest they get is DR-7 and DR-7S.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:56 AM

I just realized that I never completed a thought from my original post.even though this model was supposedly only produced from 79-81, my dad was born in 1959 and bought it age 15 or 16. That would put the date of purchase in 1974-75. Obviously that doesn't match up, and beyond that, most guitars sit in a store or warehouse for a while before they're sold. (There's a Takamine I've had my eye on for years that has never left the guitar center in the kendal region of Mimai.)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DR7
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

Hi,

I have a jap DR7, sigma and side-M on head, serial 73081672 - traded it around 12 years ago for a bass guitar i had at the time. Has been (professionally) fitted with a mic amp inside (does this detract from value?), few little dents as would be expected with its age - any ideas on approx value? (have been looking on Ebay etc but not seen any)

thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Buzzy
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:43 AM

Hi all!

It's nice to get some information on the old Sigmas. I own a Sigma model DR-7S,... with serial nummer 23214. She's been with me through many of the midnight bonfires and those quiet evenings (21 years). I've written a few songs on it and like an old wine she gets better with age. My best song (in my estimation) is a classical piece written in Em in which my lovely wife walked down the isle to.

I was in a classic rock band in the late 90's in which I was the Drummer (my first love), but we would and still do, get together for the midnight bonfires. One of my guitar players loved the sound of my Sigma so much he went out and bought himself a Martin D-21. Although delighted with his investment he still admires my Sigma.

To all those that believe Sigma is a cheap rip off of the famed Martin; when you find a guitar that suits you, just play it and enjoy. Brandnames don't make music, people do.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:14 AM

I wish to thank all of you on this forum, particularly Mr. Webb. I just purchased a DR-35 Japan model for $285 on ebay. The sound on this guitar is amazing. It has the spruce top, SOLID Rosewood sides and 3 piece SOLID Rosewood back. I looked at and played new Taylors, Crafter, Fender, Blueridge, and Seagulls. I really do not believe that anything I tried matched this guitar for sound or feel. This guitar has its share of "character marks", but sound and playability are all that matter to me. I don't believe I have EVER heard a guitar sound this rich!!! Thanks again to all of you. Without your convincing testimonies, I probably would not have bought a Sigma.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 10:40 PM

Hey bill    I was looking at that guitar, you got a great deal on a solid instument. I was going to jump in but I own too many guitars at this time. My wife would leave me if I bought another.....mmmmmmmmmm??????????

Enjoy it   Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 05:20 AM

I sure am glad you let me have it!!! I really enjoy playing and hearing this quality instrument!!! Thanks Neil!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mike c
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:57 PM

For Mr.Stirling (sigma expert)
I have just purchased a pre-owned sigma 00018m serial no. 91100904 any specs. or info welcomed.
                            Thanks mike c (UK)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mike c
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 02:37 PM

Can anyone help with info.& specs.for Sigma Martin ooo18.
                                    

                                          Thanks mike c (UK)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,danserinden
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:11 PM

I just got hold of a DR 14, which I can see only one guest has referred to earlier. It has the three solid rosewood pieces at the back and inside two wooden coverings instead of one in the middle. Top seems to be laminated My theory is that those numberes DR 14 was meant for import to Scandinavia and the markets of Sweden Denmark and Finland, as this instrument also is imported and garanteed by Levin of Gothenburg, Sweden, and in other countries the model was called DR 41. I also have a black SG 9, imported by Levin too, with some kind of saddle pickup in brass, and plug in at the bottom. Both have a fantastic sound. Any information on the SG 9 ?
Thanks soeren


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Robbi
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 03:41 AM

Hi,

Im trying to read and find out about my favorite guitar of all times. It is a Sigma DM5 S, numbers on the inside (stamped on the wood) S 35618, 011402. I bought it new sometimes in 1980?

I always thought it was a cheap peace of crap, but had it at home as a practice guitar. Every "good" guitar I bought lost in comparison with my Sigma. So for years i've tried to found a expensive guitar that match my Sigma.

The thing with this guitar is that it just sounds and plays so well. Im a professional player (from Sweden) and have a lot more expensive guitars, including Martins and Takamines. When it comes down to nail the perfect sound in the studio, my Sigma always nails it.

Please could someone give me some information about my guitar. There's is one for sale on Ebay and im consedering bying it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Robbi
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 12:40 PM

I just aread all the threads on this side and I've never seen such great information about Sigma guitars as from Mr. Sterling Webb. I do understand that Sterling doesnt have the time to answer all questions and I fully respect that. But I have one word for you Sterling, please set up a website about Vintage Sigmas and let the world know! It would be great to have all this information in one place. You could even make some money on it.

Regads
Robbi from Sweden


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Michael Babb
Date: 11 May 07 - 10:17 PM

I have a DRISTCE sigma cut-a-way, serial #99010092. Its like brand new.Just wondering what it might be worth these days.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,J Oswald
Date: 12 May 07 - 02:23 PM

I have a Sigma DM-18 that I purchased new in the early 80's

stamped made in Japan with the inlaid headstock

I have played the heck out of this guitar and the first 7 frets all have groves. I guess it's time to find a good luthier and refret and install bone nut/saddle

If anybody finds a website with info on these please post the link

Cheers


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,J Oswald
Date: 12 May 07 - 02:27 PM

I forgot to mention in my first post. I'm pretty sure the sigma guitars made in Japan were constructed at the Tokai gakki plant


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Love Doc
Date: 13 May 07 - 01:32 AM

The following excerpt was taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai_Gakki


In 1972 Tokai went into a joint venture with C.F._Martin_&_Company to supply Acoustic guitar parts and also build Martin's solid body Sigma guitars. In 1973 Tokai started making the "Cat's Eyes" Martin Acoustic replicas.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sandra
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:15 AM

I have a sigma guitar of martin & CO. Made in Japan DR-12-28.
Two set of numbers on inside F839265 and 037035 with a k below it. If anyone knows anything or interested please email me at burciul60@msn.com   I've owned it for about 5 years and got it used. Thanks to any info.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jjwoods
Date: 19 May 07 - 01:35 PM

???
I've read many of the post here about serial numbers and manufactoring dates. Mine is a 12 string DR-12-7 SERIAL #24233.
In reading bout the serial numbers the 24 would be the number of guitars that month, the 2 would be febuary, and the 33 would be the year. this guitar wasnt built in 1933. But it may have come from the future:)


I just picked it up at a garage sale 35.00
Any guesses on value. Great shape


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kathy
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:00 PM

I have my husbands guitar and I'm looking for more info to set it aside for my 8yr old son it is SEMC-28 S# 019 manufactured in Japan sideway M Sigma of Martin & Company on paper in side at the top where the keys are it has in gold/brass lettering sigma guitars est.1970 I looked on the net and found very little I read through most of the post and didn't see anything close so if anyone has any info please contact me at gilkaryyo@yahoo.com

Thank you
Kathy


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Magnus H
Date: 31 May 07 - 12:38 PM

Soeren or "danserinden",

I assume You are danish and bought Your Sigmas in Denmark, which might explain why Your instruments are marked "imported and guaranteed by Levin". Levin was after they were bought by Martin, the distributor of Sigmas in Scandinavia, and possibly also in the rest of Europe. At the takeover, Levin had already started their own import of japanese guitars, sold under the brandname "Nippon Best".

They were laminated wood in top and bottom, presumably of fairly good quality, Levin would never have put their logo on them otherwise.

In the 1975 Levin catalog, these guitars were still in the Levin catalogs, but I do beleive these guitars were later sold under the Sigma name, and that You have one of these.

In the 1975 catalog there is a Nippon SG-2, and I am shure I have seen a Sigma SG-9 on internet with the same shape of the headstock, quite differrent from the typical Sigma/Martin shape. The SG-9 i saw, if I remember correctly, was black, with double pickguards and a bit decorated.

link to 1975 Levin catalog:

http://goyaguitars.tripod.com/levin75_8.htm


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,ahnotme
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:21 PM

Hi,
I have a Sigma 52sgcs-4. It was made in 1973. It is still in excellent condition. The sound has improved over the years. I always thought this was a Great guitar. I have not been able to find much info on the net about this model. I have noticed that this guitar does not have the adjustment rod in the neck, so I have been very careful to control the humidity level that I keep it in. Supposedly the best level is in the low 40%.
My understanding is that Sigma is an off shoot of Martin. Backed up by the fact that Martin puts their name on it too. They are made in Japan (to the best of my knowledge). I'm no expert but this guitar has served me well over the years.
I recently bought another Sigma. A "DM1stce" it came with a very nice "Martin hard case". Got it at "8thstreet.com" for $380.00 American-delivered. This one is an electric acoustic with the cut away body style.
A couple of my buddies have let me do a closed eye comparison to their guitars (one a Martin DCX1e and the other was an Ibanez AEF37E)
both electric acoustics. I could not tell the difference between the
Martin and my Sigma. The Ibanez (and I was really surprised by this)
I could pick out every time simply because the tone was more muffled than the other two.
As I said I am by no means an expert. But for the money Sigma is a good low to middle price range guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,soeren
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 08:33 AM

Hello Magnus! Guess youre from Sweden! Absolutely true- my Sg 9 is black, double pickguard. They have a photo of it at vintage guitars.se under gallery of sold instruments. It is a beauty and have a very nice sound. Headstock a bit like Gibson open book. I got caught up in these wonderful guitars ans bought three Sigmas on Ebay. com. Dr 7 with sigma logo, dm5 and dm 4, the last solid wood. If you are swedish and plan to do the same, beware of customs expenses and and the way some americans spell Japan, namely k-o-r-e-a, as two of the guitars, dm5 and dm4, allthough very nice and good guitars were not japanese. Thanks alot for your link. Soeren


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Subject: Martin sigma dr41
From: GUEST,simon bar sinister
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 09:53 AM

I bought a sigma dr41 awhile back and cant find any info about this model.It has the usual 41 top with abalone but the back is a 3 piece like the d35.I know the newer ones has the 2 piece back but can someone tell me something about this as to how old or value?Thanks for any help.


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Subject: RE: Martin sigma dr41
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 04:20 PM

Ballpark is $600 US with case.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,smetro
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 08:41 PM

I have a marquee style dreadnaught Sigma...model # DT-4C..serial# is 386866. It seems all for the world that it is a solid wood instrument.
Does anyone have any info on this model??..the internet and Sigma sight don't say much about it.
I did put a bone nut and saddle on it..and a Martin Gold pickup.
Plays well..sounds much better unplugged..but sounds great either way.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lon
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 10:30 PM

Have two old sigma guitars, SE-36 C Thin body / rounded back cutaways( not venetian) both had a martin thin line saddle pick-up in them from birth and were made with 3 of each other according to the S#'s.

They both are made in Japan and have the sideway M stamped before the S# and are brown sunburst. We own martins, taylors and these and I have to say I have never played an acoustic thin body rounded back guitar that played so well and was amazingly loud when not plugged in. I have played them for years now and play up to a 12th fret bar chord and they are true.

I bought the first one in 1985 and another two years ago. My son and wife were in a music store and my son saw it and made my wife buy it. 200.00 dollars. I believe the first one was 530.00 with a "martin" like hardshell travel case. (big lunky ones) Got to love those sons don't ya'.

Anyway, don't know anything about either of them and thought I would try and find a little about them. Bought both because of the way they played and knew Martin Co. was stamped on them. These models also had the closed tuners that were Martin also I believe.

Anybody familiar with this model please respond.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars 12 string
From: mrneil2
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 02:45 PM

Anyone have any experience or opinions about Sigma 12 strings? I'm looking to purchase a 12 string. I have been very satisfied with sigma's in the past. I own a CGS-4 (my fav) and a CGS-1 (o.k.) Can anyone suggest some model numbers and how much I should expect to pay?


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Subject: Sigma 12 string guitar
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 08:51 PM

Anyone have any experience or opinions about Sigma 12 strings? I'm looking to purchase a 12 string. I have been very satisfied with sigma's in the past. I own a GCS-4 (my fav) and a GCS-1 (o.k.) Can anyone suggest some model numbers and how much I should expect to pay


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: winterport
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 06:36 PM

I've joined the Sigma Owners Group.

An SDR-28 was for sale from the original owner, who bought it in about 1995 and never learned to play. It sounds very good, nice tones, lots of sustain, and bass is not too boomy. This one really sings when tapped, just like my hammer dulcimer.

Headstock has Sigma Guitars EST. 1970 (underlined) in MOP. Pearlish fret dots. Paper label inside says Sigma - Prepared and Inspected by C.F Martin - Made in Korea. Serial 90041052.

Solid spruce top, rosewood sides and back may be solid. Glue job is neat and interior construction looks fine. Fingerboard is a very dark wood with slight reddish and black tones. Chrome tuners with no markings. Finish looks good, not overly thick.

I'm happy with it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,KLouque
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 11:07 PM

Lost in Sigma. I have one of the best souding guitars I've ever played
but not sure what it is. There is a sticker on the headboard that says Sigma Guitars, Est.1970.
Inside has a sticker that says PICADOR, made in Korea. Inside against the neck has a serial #324007. It has no model number and anything else on it anywhere. It looks identical (almost) to my Martin HD28.
It plays as well with not as much tone.
I've seen a few others in this forum made in Korea, but not with PICADOR mentioned. It is a six string.
Thanks Guys, Great info!
Kent,
Baton Rouge La.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,New member of the Sigma Owners club
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:04 PM

What an abundance of info!

I have 7 accoustic guitars, a couple of mandolins and 6 string banjo...but the best is my Sigma DR-28H. Got it from a Car boot sale in Norwich fo £20....

Super sound and beats the others into the ground...Keep the comments comming. Best info site for Sigma on the Web. I 'll look for a link for Vantage (not vintage) guitars now

Allan from norwich


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Newton
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 11:12 AM

I found a Sigma CS2 classical guitar for about 300 $ ... I think it's a bit expensive, but it does not show its year or even where it was made. It very much appears to be out of the early 80's korean made sigmas, but    how can I be sure? the serial number is 88020182. somebody, help!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Murr
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 10:17 AM

I have a Sigma, Model GS2GCR-7. Serial # is 21xxx (I can't remember it off the top of my head). It has the gold stamp SIGMA with the M on it. It was purchased new in the fall of 1978 for either $200 or $250. (I remember trading in my classical guitar and getting $50 for it, which I though was pretty good since we had spent only $70 on it four years earlier.) My mother bought it as a combination birthday, Christmas and high school graduation present. It seems like it's still in pretty good shape, save two scratches on the back of it. It's spent summers in the woods and been dropped more than once, but there's no cracks on it. It still has the original paper information inside (very readable, good shape). I think I had the nuts changed at some point - there's nothing descriptive on them.

If Sterling is still around can you tell me what you mean that these GS2 models were made of some pretty strange laminates? I took it to buy a case for it last weekend and the guy turned his nose up at it and tried to get me to buy a Martin for $915 (you know - I'd have a new case with the Martin, yada yada yada.) He basically told me that the Sigma is worthless. That, of course, is up to the person playing - to me (granted, I'm just a weekend plunker), it seems like it plays pretty well. One of my high school chums actually used it for a recording session in NYC. I had it restrung some time ago and it rarely needs retuning. Since I'm having a Guild 12 string F112 literally rebuilt, I don't think I want to spend $1000 on a low end Martin if the Sigma does the job.

If anybody can offer thoughts on the guitar itself as well as value, I'd appreciate it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 06:17 PM

Of course, I screwed up. It was the Model 52SGCR-7 and Serial #20521. It was November '78 when I got this; maybe since I lived so near the Martin Factory in Nazareth, PA they got one of the first shipments of this Sigma model.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: cub
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 09:14 PM

i just purchased a sigma dr 14 from a 90 year old woman that insisted i buy it. i have not been able to find any info on it. it is in perfect shape and had not been played for over 3 years yet when i opened the case it was in perfect tune - i was amazed. sounds great. anyone know anything about it or where i can go for info. any guess on value. cub28761@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars (Want to sell DR-7 Made in Jap)
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 09:42 AM

Hello -- I posted to this site once before but I didn't really have much information. I have learned a tiny bit more... I am interested to sell my Sigma DR-7. It is a Made in Japan 1970s model and I know virtually nothing about it except that it may be collectible.

The serial number is 74121588.

The headstock is different than any one i have seen... sideways M inlay, but no Sigma lettering underneath.

I have posted pictures...
Click Here


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,opie
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 10:14 PM

I have a Martin Sigma DR12-7 which my mom bought for me new in around 1974. I had used it quite a bit over the years playing at Mass, at weddings and at school. But it's been sitting at my mom's for years now and am thinking of selling it. Anyone have any idea what this would go for these days? It looks to be in good shape. Would definitely need new strings.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rhall364
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

hey, how much do want to sell it for. contact me by e-mail, ryan-hall@hotmail.com. Thanks a bunch. Ryan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fille
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 03:58 PM

Hi everyone!

Recently found my late mothers Sigma SG-5 in my friends basement. Had almost forgotten about it so it was nice to find it again. This is the Hummingbird copy, very beautiful and sounds very good, even though i´ve understood that it was a low-price guitar back in the day. Since its the only thing I kept when my mother past away, it´s very special for me. I don't know much about this guitar, coriuos to know about when it was made (I think in the late 70's), what it might be worth now etc. If anyone has the time and energy to help me find out more about it I would be very greatful!

Felix Sjöström,
Gothenburg / Sweden


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,havanagar
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 01:17 AM

the most info on Sigma guitars i have ever run across! thanks

i have a SIGMA DR28C that my wife bought for me in the very
early 80's after i had cut my three fingers to the bone and
she figured it would give me incentive to recover. God Bless
her!!!

anyway, i read the entire postings and no one mentioned this model.
i have never had it worked on but am getting ready to do so when i
get another acoustic. i would never sell or trade this one for anything, besides its sentimental value it plays better than ever
and the sound has opened up in the years i have played it though it
has some problem on the high e string on the higher frets but as i
have said it has never been worked.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dale C. Christensen
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 06:21 PM

First time reading and asking question,& comment. I have a Sigma DR7 purchased 11-21-75. It is in Mint Condition in a case and not used to often. The S/N is 75090383 marked on label inside with info. that it was CF Martin Organization manufactured in Japan.
Mr. Webb I thank you for all the inputs to answer the many questions. You sure answered most of the ones I had,however I am wanting to sell this guitar of mine and sure would like to get the most that it will bring without going on to Ebay, etc. This instrument is like new and all I seen from you and others it sounds like it should bring top dollar.
Besides the above I do wonder about the large S/N. Also,I'd sure like
to get the information that you wrote listed date as 23, Oct. o4- o5:39A If you could Email me at bobbie13scoop07@sbcglobal.net. I welcome any others that can help also Email and/or The thread.
Thanks everyone It really was a joy reading your questions and answers; really very interesting--I learned a lot. Dale


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jollay
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 12:18 AM

I have one of the c2 sigma with the exact serial number. I paid $135 and it included a light weight case, back around 1990. It plays fairly well but my classical guitar teacher talked me into getting a Ramirez. I would sell my sigma for around $100 but no way $300!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jollay
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM

NEWTON,

I have a CS2 88020345 sigma guitar by CF Martin, I paid $135 for it around 1990. I came with a black cardboard case. I can not see selling it for $300! Maybe $100. If is just ok, not wonderful.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Charles Finney
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 06:16 AM

been offered sigma anniversary 1980 guitar with undersaddle pick up for 500 pounds is this expensive?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 10:57 PM

Sigma Anniversary model went for $450 U.S. recently.
It was from a collector and was in excellent condition.
That's about 225 pounds. So, 500 pounds sounds a bit high.

Though there are only 100 of them, reportedly, and they rarely come available.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 11:47 PM

Re: DR-28C   

I have a DR-28HC. Made in Japan. From the 1980's I guess.

Plays great. It's solid, straight, and a real beauty.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,danserinden
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 07:08 AM

Hello Felix. I have one sg 5 too, also a beautiful hummingbird copy. Imported and distributed by Levin. See my previous message and the answer from a third swede. Greetings from denmark søren


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,telechrister1959
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM

wow its nice to know that others like these sigma guitars as much as i do i have a dr 15 it has a solid spruce top and indian rosewood sides or thats what ive been told ive never seen another dr 15 is there anyone else that has one let me know thanks

       telechrister1959@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,john in berlin
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 05:43 AM

I bought my sigma dr 14 in early 1976 in Freiburg (Germany). I believe it to have been made in Japan, probably in 1975. The back is a three-part one. It was distributed by Levin of Göteborg and has a short serial number. The inlaid writing on the headstock is "Sigma Guitars established 1970". The information pertaining to Levin and the serial number is on the paper seen through the sound hole. I have just had it refretted and bone nut and bridge fitted, it sounds great.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bev
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 09:20 AM

Hi just bought a Sigma Se 18N. And can't find any info on it. It has a solid back and I'm told it is rosewood. Any info would be appreciated.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:26 PM

Hey, I found an old Sigma guitar in my grandma's house. It says DT-3N, on the inside, with serial number 273479. I couldn't find that specific model number online and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Wayback1947
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:33 PM

I have a SIGMA MARTIN DM-5 Guitar manufactured in Japn in the early 70s, SN 73060971. Customer Service at C.F. Martin tells me it is was probably produced in 1973 as they were only made from 1973 thru 1984, and for some period Sigma Manufacturing did use the date as the first 2 numbers of the serial #. Many of these guitars sat in warehouses or stores for years before being sold and it could have been sold to the original owner in any number of years.

This guitar has solid Mahogany Back, Sides, and Neck, Solid Spruce top, Rosewood fret board, and an adjustable Rosewood or Mahogany bridge. If this guitar looked and sounded any better, you would think it was a Martin D-18 of recent vintage. Very nice guitar, it has a rich sound and great sustain.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mark
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 08:36 PM

I am buying a Sigma DM4M from a local pawn shop for $200, has a really loud fine tone, has the est 1970 logo on headstock, burnt and paper labels inside, as well as a custom shop sticker inside, looking for any info on this?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,dave
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:21 PM

i own several guitars, 57 strat, 68 sg, 2 martins ,but my sigma (circa 1971) is the one i play the most, the sound quality compares to both martins i own. If you get your hands on an older one pre 1978, buy it, you wont be sorry.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest: Gary
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 11:55 AM

I recently aquired a Sigma DR-28. It is a "Made in Japan" model. It appears to be solid wood all around (rosewod sides and back, spruce upper) I have a couple questions for the experts atory on how I aquired it (got it for free)

1. Right after I purchased it I restrung it with Martin Med. strings and now I am getting a Buzzing noise off of the frets when I play. I am new to guitars as this is my first guitar and I am learning on it. What is causing this buzzing noise?

2. Aprox. how old is the guitar?

3. Where can I find a replacement Nut fot the guitar?

Now the quick story. My daughters (3 and 5) are starting to take interest in music one wants to learn Piano, the other drums. So I decided that I wanted to take up a new insterment as well (I play brass and some percusion already) I had a nice CD player I had gotten for free in my car so I put it on Craigs List for trade for a PS 2 or guitar. I ended up getting PS 2 with a few games and some controllers for trade. I played it for a couple days then relisted the PS2 for trade for an acoustic guitar and a guy e-mailed me about this Sigma he had so I went and looked at it and it was in really good shape so we made the trade. My wife and I are short on money so tradeing was the only option I have to get anything. So that is the story

Was it a good trade?   Sorry so long.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 05:00 PM

To guest Gary
Buzzing can be caused by a few different things. As you are just starting to play my suggestion would be to lose the med strings right away and fit light or extra light. Your fingers as well as the bridge will thank you for this and the less thick strings may stop buzzing. I if the action is very low the truss rod may need tweaked.
Best option is to take it to a reputable guitar store for a setup, usually cheap and the tech can advise you.

You guitar was likely made between 1980-84

Hope this helps

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JOswald
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 02:17 AM

I would like to buy an early Sigma Acoustic (sideways M logo) DM5, DR7 . . . The higher end models

Please email me at jjozy@yahoo.com if you have one for sale

Cheers


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Subject: Sigma guitar S 2000
From: GUEST,Pierre
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 06:33 PM

Hi Everyone, I just purchased a Sigma guitar (I think the serial No is 1390581). The dealer said he talked to a Martin Rep and they have no records of Sigma ever making this model - its beleived it was made in the late 70's or very early 80's.

Anyone ever hear of this model? Plays great!!


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Subject: RE: Sigma S2000
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 12:53 AM

You might find one like it at a pricing place HERE, which I found by going to This Place..


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lassebros
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 05:00 PM

Model on my Sigma say's "Nippon best 10" !!! what is it that i have found i the garage.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Pierre
Date: 14 Oct 07 - 01:56 PM

Hi Everyone,
I just purchased a Sigma guitar - Model Number s2000 (original warantee paper states this model, but "2000" is stamped on the inside) next to the serial No which is 1390581. The guitar is stamped with "sigma guitars made in Japan for Martin Co", but the headstock does not have either of the sigma 'logos' described above, it has a pearl design very similar to the one I have seen on a "Collings D42", it also has pearl markings on the neck, around its body, and around the sound hole (not sure if that is the proper term). At first I though it was an Anniversary Sigma made by Martin but the models don't seem to match up (model s2000 VS 10?). Maybe I have a different model than I think?

The dealer said he talked to a Martin Rep and they have no records of Sigma ever making this model - its beleived it was made in the late 70's or very early 80's.

Anyone ever hear of this model? Or have any information? I also have pics I would be willing to send out if someone wants to see them.

It sounds great that is why I bought it!

Thanks in advance for any help.

Pierre


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kent J. Louque
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 03:48 PM

Lost in Sigma. I have one of the best sounding guitars I've ever played
but not sure what it is. There is a sticker on the headboard that says Sigma Guitars, Est.1970.
Inside has a sticker that says PICADOR, made in Korea. Inside against the neck has a serial #324007. It has no model number or anything else on it anywhere. It looks identical (almost) to my Martin HD28.
It plays as well with not as much tone.
I've seen a few others in this forum made in Korea, but not with PICADOR mentioned. It is a six string.
Thanks Guys, Great info!
Kent,
Baton Rouge La.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,TJ in Texas
Date: 20 Oct 07 - 01:44 PM

I bought a Korean made Sigma DM-12-4 at a pawn shop this week. You don't see many older 12 strings that are playable, but the action on this one is still good. The number inside next to the truss rod adjustment says 83007, and the serial number on the inside sticker says 8301729. I love to play a 12 string, but not many of them last long. You can't beat the warm tone of a seasoned older guitar. I have been fascinated by all of the information in these posts. Any additional info would be appreciated.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Robbi
Date: 20 Oct 07 - 07:25 PM

Someone asked about the Sigma Anniversay and if 500 pounds is to much. I don't think so, I have one and it is the best guitar I have ever had. It stands up to every Martins in the world, the sound is amazing and if you're willing to pay 500 pounds for a cheap Martin, you should pay 500 for this one that sands up to a expencive Martin.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars DR-11
From: GUEST,Sephearl
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 02:20 AM

I bought a Sigma DR-11 new in Cookeville, TN sometime in 1979 when I was in college. It has mother of pearl inlay around the face of the guitar as well as the soundhole, and oblong hexagonal mother of pearl inlays on the fretboard. It also has the three piece back with a decorative inlay on the back that pieces the three pieces together. I too have been told my guitar model didn't exist. I am thankful for the information I have found on this website, and hope to learn more. I believe the name of the music store was Middle Tennessee Music where I bought this guitar. I had just come in on a delivery from Nashville. I was told by the saleman at the store that this guitar was especially made for a Guitar Show in Nashville. Being in college I had to go borrow the money and almost lost the guitar to any buyer before I got back to the store. I believe I paid around $350 with a hardshell case. I still have this guitar today and treasure it. Although I collect them and have over 30 guitars, this is still one of my favorites and is the one I have owned the longest. I will never sell it. I use only light gage strings on it and the neck is still straight as an arrow after over 27 years.
Sephearl


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Pierre
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 07:39 PM

Hi Sephearl....want to trade guitar pics?...our guitars seem very similar!! Is your solid rosewood? My email is pierretessier06@hotmail.com. I will reply with pics as well. Id also like to see any pics of the anniversary guitar also if anyone has some!!

Cheers,

Pierre


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kat
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:35 PM

I have a Sigma DM-43 (I think it is a 43 or 4S??? - hard to read) It was my dad's; unfortunately he died right after he got it so it is never played. Can anyone let me know @ this model & price it would go for. It is mahagony, says Sigma Guitars Est. 1970 @ top & it was purchased @ 1997 or 1998. Thanks so much!!! Kat


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Todd
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 12:40 PM

Just payed 60 bucks in a NYC thrift shop for a perfect condition Sigma CS-5 classical with a paper label "manufactured in Japan", serial number 000211, with no other info, any idea about the history of this guitar or how old it might be


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Magnus H
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:56 PM

Lassebros,

Nippon Best was a Japan made import brand offered by Levin Guitars in the early to mid 70:s. The steelstrings were available in Gibson style versions with model SG-XX and Martin styled labeled SM-XX.
There were also some nylon low priced versions, the cheapest marked "School".

From what I have heard Nippon Best were all-laminate guitars.

I think they were offered under the Sigma brand in the latter half of the 70:s.

/Magnus


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,MH
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 07:55 AM

Hello

Can anyone give some info on a Sigma SDM 18-C? What's it made of, where does it come from, when was it made and how much is it worth?

Thanks very much, M


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Todd
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 11:30 AM

Just picked up a Sigma CS5 serial number 000211 with a 'manufactured in Japan" paper label, mint, looks like it was never played, only paid 60 bucks for it in a New York City thrift store, would love to get some info on this guitar, don't think its a laminate but not quite sure, any sigma aficionados out there have an opinion?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:01 AM

Hi all,
I have been reading a lot of the posts here for awhile, and finally decided to sign up. I bought a Sigma Anniversary about 12 years ago from a friend of mine that owned a Pawn shop here in South Florida. I paid $150 for it then and have always loved it. I feel really fortunate especially after reading some of Mr. Sterlings posts. I have copied all his posts and printed the for reference. Hope he is ok as I have not seen anything from him in a long while.
This is a really great site! Will be back.
Valkyrie guy.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Crispear
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 12:17 AM

Hey everybody, i'm proud that i own a DR-8 Sigma guitar, bought in 1976 for my 18 birthday at Steve Music's, Montréal, Quebec , Canada. This guitar, which is serial number: P 7073, sounds amazing and really make my friends freak out.

      This forum is a great reference for Sigma's owner like me, didn't know much about it's history but with your comments i discovered how special this guitar is, i will really treasure it. Not that i want to sell it but i'm a little curious about it's value. The thing is i would like to compare to the price i paid back then to it's value today.

Before i leave does anyone know what the P stands for in the serial number.

thank you


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,D Moore
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 02:35 PM

Hi everyone

This is the only site that I have ever found any meaningful Sigma information on. In order to start building information about Sigma guitars, I created a wikipedia article, searchable by "sigma guitar" There is nothing listed there as of yet that is not available on this site (with the exception of me mentioning that sigma also made basses, mandolins and and electric guitars of different body types) but I would liek that to change. Any and all !cited! information you can provide would be INCREDIBLY helpful and equally welcome. Please post here if you have any questions.

Additionally, I have included an emailed correspondence I received from an employee of C.F. Martin & Co. regarding my recent inquiry about the Sigma line. Enjoy, and I hope to see a lot of information added to the wiki article! I would specifically like to have photos of the different logos (sideways M versus inlaid mother of pearl headstock logos).

thanks

Dustin

Email from Martin -

Thank you for contacting C.F. Martin & Co., Inc.

The Sigma program was initiated in 1970. They were manufactured in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. They were imported by Martin to serve the lower priced markets. Each Sigma Instrument is brought into the Martin factory to be inspected and adjusted by Martin personnel before going to the authorized retail store for retail sale. In more, recent years, Martin has introduced what they call the "Second Generation Sigma's" with solid tops and extended warranties. As of September 17, 1984 all solid top Sigma's had the limited lifetime warranty to the original owner. All Sigma Guitars are constructed with laminated (ply) backs and sides. Sigma Banjos and Mandolins are of the same origin. For a short time the Martin Co. Imported Solid Body Electric Guitars under the Sigma name.


The Sigma Guitars were discontinued in 2007.


The Martin Co. does not keep Sigma serial number records; therefore Sigma Guitars and Mandolins cannot be dated. The Martin Serial Number list on our website is for Martin Guitars manufactured in the Nazareth plant. Because the Martin Co. does not deal in the used or vintage market we do not appraise instruments. Please contact a dealer in your area that deals in the used market.


Thank you,

Leslie Miksch

C.F. Martin & Co. Inc.,

Consumer/Customer Service


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,anniversary tim
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 03:44 AM

I have been blessed to aquire another D10 anniversary model after selling my first one 25 years ago. Funny thing is I paid the same price for both. $300.00 at Guitar Center in Santa Ana CA. in 1980 and I found one in Ill. 3 weeks ago in a little used guitar store on the internet (which I love). I would like to acknowledge and show apprecation to STERLING K. WEBB for his willingness to educate the masses on the greatness of the early Sigma line of guitars.
    Most people think that so-called lower end off brand guitars made for high end companies are crap. Well I know that Orvilles made in Japan for non-export and non-export Epiphones not only rival but can surpass Gibson Custom shop guitars. As do the non-export Fenders. I know because I have all of them with my Sigma and a hand made Mockingbird by Bernie Rico, owner/inventer of B.C.Rich guitars. Also a 1959 Gibson Classical once owned by Merle Haggard. I will never sell My Sigma. It's sound is so fantastic that I can't put it into words. I think you all know what I mean. Good luck to all, Tim


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Tom S
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 11:39 PM

I purchased my 52sdr-9 in late 1974. It cost me close to $300.
The head logo is SigmaGuitars in Martinlike script, with EST.1970 underneath it.   The DR-9 is amost indestinguishable from the martin d-28 of 1974 from the front. It has a three piece back in the same pattern dividing splice as the D-28..just 2 splices.   The D-28 I compared it to had looser grains for wood, and it's tone was not as bright un the upper ends or as deep in the lower tones. This with identical freshly strung strings.

The SigmaGuitars logo does not mean your guitar is from later vintage as mine was purchased in 1974   

Serial #29428, so the owner of the 52sDR-9 with serial # 11209 or something like that has at least a '74 or before.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DR-28HC
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 12:27 PM

I recently purchased a Sigma DR-28HC. It appears to be a post 1980 Sigma due to the absense of the 'sigma' greek character on the headstock. It does appear to be an older model though so I'm guessing it was made in the early 1980's. I'm wondering what the 'C' designation refers to in the model 'DR-28HC'. It is not a cutaway model so I have no idea. One other trait of this guitar is its soft-V neck. I've never played a Martin or Sigma with a soft-V neck until I found this one. Please let me know if there is anyone with more information about my guitar. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:42 PM

Hey Kat.....Just seen yr query. My beautiful bright mahogany Sigma is a DM4M the M being of course for Mahogany. Try Newtone medium light bronze strings on it.

Alan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars.52SGCS-6
From: GUEST,Mike Melbourne Australia
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 09:04 AM

As an owner of a 52SGCS-6 since 1984,purchased as a used model I am always interested to see comment regarding this lesser discussed model.I absolutely treasure mine and of the 7 playable guitars currently in my collection the sigma I would play more than 90% of playing time.I never realised back in 1984 just how good a guitar I was getting for that $110,it seems to just sound better and better and the action is simply excellent.I recently purchased another Japan built circa 1983 Sigma DK28 12 string with Martin thinline p/u installed from the original owner in New Zealand which I have to collect sometime along with a 1983 Tokai CE320.Playing time will have to be shared with these 2 when I get them home.I always thought that the 6 indicated 6 strings now I have seen 4 and 7 so now am aware that this is likely a reference to model updates.I read that the 4 has no neck trussrod.My 6 definitely does and adjustment is via coverplate on headstock.Headstock has the sigma symbol abalone/paua inlay some refer to as the sideways M with the gold stamp "SIGMA" across the face.ID is by way of paper sticker in body and has no serial numbers.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kat
Date: 17 Dec 07 - 10:21 PM

Thanks Alan...actaully I was also looking for whay the going rate would be if I choose to sell it (and if anyone out there is interested). As I said before in my post it is a Sigma DM-4S It was my dad's; unfortunately he died right after he got it so it is never played. It says Sigma Guitars Est. 1970 @ top & it was purchased @ 1997 or 1998. Thanks so much!!! Kat


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,topovision
Date: 26 Dec 07 - 10:22 PM

Do you still have this Sigma DR-7?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:40 PM

Hi, I have a Sigma that is in great condition and the model number is 52SGCS-4. If any one has any idea how much this is worth I would really appreciate it if you would reply.
Thank You


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 01:50 AM

Have not heard from Mr. Webb in a long time, but if you are still reading this thread, I have one of your mystery Sigma's. Sticker is missing from inside. It has the Greek Sigma symbol and the word sigma is inlaid in MOP just like the one you stated you had seen only one of before. I think it is a DR-11 from earlier descriptions on this thread, it looks just like the DR-41 but with silver tuners instead of gold and has a three piece back. It is easy to tell it is all solid wood, top, back and sides. Some finish cracks going with the grain but not into the wood. Sounds fantastic. Also have a
52SDR-9 with the earlier logo and snowflake markers. In minty shape. It aslo sounds great, like an aged D-28. If Mr. Webb is out there, please respond if you can, about the MOP SIGMA on the first guitar.
Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:08 AM

i have just purchased one from ebay Item number: 300188918559 / serial 417035 ....

anyinfo on this one he say's it's at least thirty years old.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jesse
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 12:57 PM

I have a Sigma solid body electric ser#740361E. I can't find the model# anywhere on it. Could anyone tellme where it is on the guitar?
It has dual pickups and reverb bar(I'm not sure that's what you call it I'm sure you know what I mean i'ts spring loaded and vibrates
when moved) these things are all gold, and finger board and inlays between the frets all look like pearl. If you can helpme find out whatmodel it is and the current value, E-Mailme @


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:04 PM

To the guest who purchasde the Sigma DR-11 on e-bay, it is probably no more than 27 years old, since it has the "est 1970" on the headstock. They went to that logo in 1980. If it says made in Japan, it is an excellent guitar. One of the best. It sure looks great in the pictures. Enjoy it. If you want to PM me and discuss it more my e-mail is nosugar@fairpoint.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jay
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:43 PM

where would it say made in japan ??


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jay
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:45 PM

yes it say's made in japan inside it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Martin (really)
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 09:01 AM

What a great and helpfull forum this is!

I am about to choose between two Sigma's. A ragged DR-7 with serial# 6465, or a Mint DM-4 with # 51208380, "est 1970" logo (Martin style). I understand the DR-7 will be the better choice but is 80 euros more expensive.
What I really can't figure out what year and in wich country the DM-4 is made?
Please help.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 02:04 PM

I'm pretty sure the DM-4 was made in Korea, but some may have been made in Japan just prior to the change. If you can see or have someone read the sticker in the soundhole, it should say. The M in DM stands for Mahogany back and sides. The DR-7 with that serial # would most likley be early 70's and if sound in body, an excellent guitar. I don't know the exchange rate of the euro, but that sounds pretty fair in price. Then again the Mahogany guitars sound rally good, so if it is mint, depending on price???, you may like it really well.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jay
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 03:45 PM

i been looking around ebay an there is some nice sigma's but not many made in japan. are the dm5 an there a dm3 made in korea i think are they good.... an i even seen one said made in indoniesia. what are they like are the jap ones the best or are there othere's as good.

Jay


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 06:25 PM

The Japanese Sigma's are the best and some of the Korean are pretty good (DR-28,35,41 and 45) also the DM (Mahogany) withe higher numbers ie. DM-5 is better quality than say a DM-4 and so forth. The Taiwanese or Indoniesian are all of lower quality than the others. They are the later Sigma's and most are DM-1 status which is the lowest quality you can get. If you want to have it as a collector guitar, but the Japanese models. If you want good players, also Japanese but lots of the Korean made sound very good. The older they are (aged) the better they sound.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jay
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 03:09 PM

anyone selling any nice jap sigma's ??

email jasonmcshane@hotmail.com

jay


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Martin (really)
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 08:07 AM

I just bought a Sigma DR-7 with serial# 6465, located in Amsterdam (Holland). First I thought it was ragged (bad photographs), but when I had it in my hands it was actually in great shape. Headstock has the SIGMA in gold capitals with the sideways M (or greek sigma) in "golden mother of pearl" above it. Inside is a paper label saying:
                                             SIGMA
                               C F MARTIN & COMPANY
                                        MODEL DR-7
                                     SERIAL NO. 6465
                              MANUFACTURED IN JAPAN
Bridge saddle is not adjustible. Topnut, saddle, endpins and strap-pin are very cheap plastic (will change). I am pretty sure that top, sides and back are laminated: looking at the side of the soundhole rim shows the venation (lines in the wood) are only in the top mm of the wood and then another colour wood starts. The lines on the sides and back are not near the same on the inside and outside. Nevertheless a beautiful guitar with great sound, now I know what people mean with a grand piano sound from a guitar. I installed new tuners and a bone saddle, new strings and set it up right, and it really sings, the lower strings vibrate like a baritone in a cathedral. As far as I remember, my father's old Martin D-18 sounded a bit more sofisticated, but this Signa seems to have more power (could also be strings or set-up off course). I payed 170 euros ($250) to a friendly beginner, who thought the sound too soft (??), he knew what it's worth, and had other bidders, for the same price. So this is what you pay for a 70's Sigma in Holland (although I have seen people ask 450 euros ($650) for a post 1984 DM-2, probably still on sale). I am very happy with this beauty, it's just the price/quality combi that's right for me. And I love early 70's gear...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 12:58 PM


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Subject: RE: sigma guitar preamp electronic repair
From: GUEST,GUEST Jim
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:42 AM

I have a Sigma DM4 accoustic with an built-in EQ2 preamp. The preamp will come on but does not amplify or provide for any sound. I would like to have it repaired or replaced with another original sigma preamp. Please help.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Ryebo
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 01:38 PM

I just bought a sigma 52 sdr-7 serial#25376 made in Japan by cf martin, all info was written on papaer inside body. Headstock reads sigma est.1970. I paid $250. I would appreciate any insight anyone might have.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Paula
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 03:12 PM

If you add up all the Anniversary model owners on these pages, we may well account for at least a third of the 100 made! I also have the Sigma Anniversary Model from 1980 and am the original owner. Back in 1981 I really, really wanted a Martin coz all my favorite musicians played them. As a high school senior, I quickly found that option out of the budgetary question. The salesman told me to try this Sigma. It had been kickin' around the showroom for a while as it was not a "real" Martin like most folks wanted. Soon as I played it I was sold. It has been my primary guitar ever since and it sounds even better as the years have passed. I do a lot of flesh picked fingerstyle and it gives a perfect balance of bright and warm with amazing natural volume. Strummed it fills a space with ease, losing nothing in nuance. I was so glad to stumble upon this forum and find out more about my Sigma. Now more than ever, I feel blessed to own this special guitar!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,greg
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 07:06 PM

I am looking at a DM 12-3 / 12 string Sigma, ser# SK123200
anybody have info on this model
Thanks
greg


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Valkyrie Guy
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 06:15 PM

Hi,
I just purchased a dr12-7 made in Japan off EBay for $179.00, and it is just about mint. I think it is 1980-1984 as it has the newer logo.
Really nice guitar. I had the local luthier replace the nut and bridge saddle with Tusq, really nice.
I found a Picador for $125.00, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me anything about it. Made in the early 70's as it has an adjustable bridge. Any help would be great.
John (valkyrie guy)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 08:42 AM

Greg,
About your DM12-3, per Mr.Sterling Webb, The D=Dreadnaught,M=Mahogany,the 3 is the grade as in 1-2-3-4-5-6-7,one beining the lesser,and 7 being the best or highest. Made in Japan = best, and earlier the better. Inverted M on the headstock, Greek for Sigma. Hope this helps.
Sure wish Mr. Webb was around to give a better desription.
John (Valkyrie Guy)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sigma g
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 10:03 PM

I have a sigma d18 est 1970 dm i have had it for 25 years I also have a 1947 D 18 witch I was offered alot of money for But I prefer to play my sigma better I play a lot of bluegrass I will put it up against any D18 out there or D18 aiso


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars MODEL#DM-8
From: GUEST,MARTIN
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:02 PM

I HAVE A SIGMA GUITAR MODEL #D M -8 IT'S SURE PLAYS GOOD.I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW OLD IT IS
KEN BOLLING
E-MAIL KRBOLLING@HIGHLAND.NET
THANK YOU


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 05:39 PM

To guest Martin, The highest number DM I have seen is a DM-5, not to say they do not have higher numbers. If it is a DM-8 it ia assuradly rare I would say. Could have been made from early to mid 70's on. Does it have the inverted M headstock or the "est, 1970" headstock?
The M in DM stands for mahogany back and sides, and I have seen some DR models in the higher numbers such as DR-7-9-11-14 & 15 but not the DM models. Of course I certainly have not seen them all, but yours is probably pretty rare. Look in the sound hole at the sticker to see if it was made in Japan. The Japanese are the best of the Sigma's.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mobus
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 05:11 PM

having sigma matin usa, nazereth pa made. it is good guitar. I like. cost wwas $80 from man bought new martin d1. he say 100. I say no, 80 or no show joe. he bought, needing money for oil, heat house. soundf is very very nice. I play it tonight at sigles mixer


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mobus
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 05:22 PM

no best sigma is usa martin sigma!!!!!! have played jap made and these usa sigma martin look hand built and not mass produced like jap sigma. made in martin factory like a d-28. mine has very silked top. these were sold when you toured the factory in the mid '80's


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mobus
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 05:29 PM

no best sigma is usa martin sigma!!!!!! have played jap made and these usa sigma martin look hand built and not mass produced like jap sigma. made in martin factory like a d-28. mine has very silked top. these were sold when you toured the factory in the mid '80's


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 24 Feb 08 - 09:47 PM

Just bought a Sigma DM 1 today for my 11 year old and 16 year to learn on. Paid 75.00 bucks came w/case and new strings. Can not make out any serial number. Previous owner says he bought it ten to fifteen years ago. Inside label says made in Korea. How did I do? Sounds like I bought the bottom of the barrel (I was excited because I knew Sigma was an off shoot of Martin). I am bummed though because the first string is buzzing really bad - so right off the bat I've got to have it looked at. Give me feedback please, good/bad/ugly all appreciated!

Karen


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,nick long
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 09:19 PM

does you 52sDR-9 also have the cross style inlays? i have one serial#29241 and it has some odd inlay on the frets..


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:01 AM

To guest nick long, my 52SDR-9 has the same neat cross style fret markers. It is the only Sigma I have seen with it. Mine is a little earlier, has the Greek Sigma symbol on the headstock. These 52S models were a professional series and really well made, with great sound, even if they did have strange laminents on back and side. They were higher end than the DR-7. Enjoy your guitar.

To guest Karen. Yes the DM-1 is the lowest quality, but is still worth every penny you paid and then some. The case could be worth the $75.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:44 AM

If anyone has or knows of a Sigma DR-45 for sale (preferably Japanese made, but not a must), please e-mail me at nosugar@fairpoint.net   Thanks all.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars ( Alert)
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:44 AM

Just got off of EBay, and there is a 1980 D10 Anniverasry model there up for bids. I have one and can not afford another, so I am posting so someone here has a chance to get a really great guitar.
Hope someone who really wants it gets it.
Good Luck!
John (Valkyrie Guy)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:59 AM

Have a Dr-41 and wondering how much it would be worth. Any ideas? Its about 10 years old and am thinkin of selling it


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,furasta
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:45 PM

Hi, i traded for my dr-28n in either 80 or 81. It was new and hanging in a pawn shop in Calgary Alberta, Canada back then. I've had plenty of work done on it to keep it up to snuff over the years but have generally abused it by hauling it all over north america from the mountains and campfires to the ocean life on extended exposure. Have you any idea how many were made? any idea what they're worth? Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.
jim


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 04:09 AM

hello, i have a 80-82 DR-28C MIJ that is a beautiful single cutaway that i have never heard of or seen anywhere. it cost under $300 brand new with a solid case in 1982. when new it was very brassy and very loud and i used it mainly for slide. as the years have passed it has mellowed in tone and sounds great for open D or C as it really rings out with the overtones of open tuning. the soundboard has become a beautiful deep amber color from its almost blonde spruce when new.
i have two other Sigmas, a DR-7 and a GCR-6 both early logo MIJ guitars that i will post about next time.

re:the dr-28n .... it's good to know it survived your travails Jim as this model was actually the only Sigma model that was built in the US at the Nazareth,PA (which gives it the n designation)factory! It's virtually a clone of a Martin D-28,was built in small numbers and should be labeled MartinSigma/USA.

it's great there is a place to talk about the underated SIGMA line


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,D. Moore
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:29 AM

Hi everyone. There are some GREAT guitars up on EBAY at the moment -

As valkyrie guy said, there is a D-10 up there,as well as:

a few Dr-28H (H = herringbone)
1972 MIJ DR-7 12 string
an SE-19 - thinline acoustic / electric w/ Florentine cutaway
SE-28 - thinline acoustic / electric w/ Florentine cutaway
An SMC-68 - does anyone know ANYTHING about this axe?? I've never heard of it or seen one in an advertisement - I'm quite intrigued...
EJ-35B - semi hollowbody double cutaway - only made for one or two years in the early 90's. I have a ej-75 that is a solid guitar, and I assume the 35 is just as capable. Great tone.

If anyone knows anything about the hollow bodies or specifically about the SMC 68, please enlighten me!

thanks

Dustin

Also - please feel free to add to my limited post on wikipedia about sigma guitars. Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 09:19 AM

Quick question....... Has anyone ever played a DM-19 and if so, what are your thoughts ?...Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Irish
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:59 PM

I have a Sigma twelve string 52SDR serial 25445 made in Japan. Sigma cf Martin and Company on the label. Bought it back in the eighties new. I think it was about $460.00 Canadian. It's been strung tight all these years and the action in as good as the day I got it. A beautiful instument in my opinion.
As you say there is little info on them.
Cheers.


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Subject: Searching for Martin Sigma information
From: GUEST,memejudi
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:19 AM

Could anyone give me more information an the manufactured date of a Martin Sigma DR-7 made in Japan with the serial #13268?? Know that they were made from 1970 to 1983 in Japan but trying to narrow down the exact date. Any links or help would be greatly appreciated Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Terry
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:26 PM

I'm sitting here now playing my Sigma SE-19. I love this thing. I have several Martin D-size and a Martin 0-16NY (New Yorker), but I find myself grabbing this SE-19. I am SURE it's laminate, but I like the neck.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steve germany
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:16 PM

hi. i have bought my sigma dm 5 in strassbourg in the early 70´s.
i incluted a pickup and played it also on stage fore some years.
in the early years i played medium g. strings (very hard and loud sound)..today light g. because better to bend..
..but the problem is, that the nut has a little crack and this crack become grown up
(at the 19 th fret the flascholet done by the big e-string is not the same tone than when u play that string on fret 19)

who can help?

steve


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Graeme M Hunter
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:35 PM

hi i have had around 7 sigmas and still own two ,one is a 12 string with i believe all solid woods flamed back and sides that is excellant and also a d28h this has the paper label and the brace stamped made in japan for cf martin and the serial number is 021581 im 99 % sure its all solid and its incredible i paid very little for it with hard case 2 pickups and 70s gibsn capo its out of this world any help on this would be great is it a 70s or 80s model ??
thanks graeme


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 10:34 AM

To Grane M Hunter,
If you will search back to 2004-2005 for posts from S.Webb or Sterling Webb,you will get the answers to a lot of your questions.He was the Sigma expert here who we dearly miss. I have printed all of his posts just to have for reference.
Good luck.
Sigma 1980 Anniversay
Sigma 1980-1984 Dr12-7 12 string


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Per
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 03:19 AM

Hi!

I bought a Sigma Martin SMC-68 in 1994 in Stockholm Sweden at a shop on Södermalm. The original price was approx USD 2.500:- and during a special drive the price came down to an affordable level.

This is the absolute best acoustic guitar I have ever played on an I would never consider selling it. It has a delicate and crisp tone and well suited for my type of playing using my nails. I have been trying to search on the web to find more details about this model.

I hope you get your hands on one.

Best regards,
Per

per.gezelius@hammarbysjostad.se


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,billyjblues
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:13 PM

I found an old Sigma DM-5 in a garage dusted it off and put on a new set of strings and it is now my favorite guitar to play. The only issue I have is, that the tuning pegs are very tarnished and pitted and I would like to replace them does anybody know where I can get a set.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 02:53 PM

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,billyjblues
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:13 PM



give Stewart-MacDonald a try: www.stewmac.com

as they state on their print catalog:
Everything for building and repairing stringed instruments!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Bob
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:27 AM

Hi,
I have a Sigma DM 1ST N Serial Number 97110209 "Made In Korea".
The sound is really nice and it's a great guitar. Could anyone give me any info on it, like what the DM 1ST N means?
Also the paper label inside the sound hole has a red "X" on it, is that a "second" or something?

Any info appreciated.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 02:07 AM

Unfortunately, in general information on Sigma guitars is quite scarce. Aside from this forum, from which you will glean almost
as much info on these Japanese guitars as there is to be found.
THe only other place i have gotten Sigma information is from Sigma
items on EBAY or from direct promotional material like old magazine
adverts.
As production moved to Korea(1984-93/94) then Taiwan(1993/94-2007) there became no back info especially since production of the
Sigma was ended in 2007.
But you said it best ...

"The sound is really nice and it's a great guitar"

That's all it comes down to.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 01:58 PM

Thanks for that Sigman. I was a bit sceptical of the "By Martin" on the headstock when i got the guitar, but have to say the sound is great and it plays so nice!
Loud too!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Max 3646
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:42 PM

I have owned a Sigma c-7 classical guitar since the early 70's and it still sounds good to me. I paid $159.95 and only had to change the tuning heads 2 yrs' ago. My Sigma was made in Japan. I play it daily.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 08:35 PM

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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jason
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:37 PM

I have been reading the previous posts, particularly those by Mr. Webb, and I'm still trying to figure out the approx. era of my guitar. I have a DR-7 with the MOP sideways 'M' and the gold block SIGMA on the headstock. The serial number is 4091. I'm trying to figure out if it is one of the early 1970's DR-7's or from the early 1980's. Mr. Webb suggest that there was a run of these from 1980-1984, unless I mis-read that part of his post. The paper label does not specifically state that it was made in Japan nor is it stamped anywhere. Any information would be appreciated as well as approx. value.

Yes, I'm interested in selling it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:14 AM

All of the Sigma's with the Greek sideways M were made in Japan. They changed to the new headstock logo in 1980, but the guitars were still made in Japan through 1984, at which time they switched to having them made in Korea. Your guitar with that low of a serial number is probably very early 1970's. Serial numbers on Sigma's are confusing, but that is a very low number. According to what they sell for on E-bay, if it is in really good shape, it should be worth
$300 to $500. The early Japanese DR-7's are worth more than later ones and seem to have really good tone.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:31 AM

one of the three Sigmas i have is an original low number(5435) DR-7
that was made in japan and has the paper label inside with rubber stamps on the label denoting model,serial number and Made in Japan.
the label itself reads:

    IMPORTED AND INSPECTED BY
    THE CF MARTIN ORGANISATION
    NAZARETH,PENNSYLVANIA USA
Model
DR7   SERIAL NO. 5435 MADE IN JAPAN

It also has the greek symbol SIGMA and gold lettered SIGMA on the headstock.

I read that Martin took the M from their name and turned it sideways to perfectly create the SIGMA brand.
As SIGMA guitars returned from Japan to the USA they came through the Martin factory in Nazareth,PA to regulate action,intonation,finish,machinehead adjustment and saddle adjustment.


i can only guess i have an early 70's model. It plays absolutely beautifuly with some 30 odd years of age to what at the time was very good quality tonewood from Japan. It has crisp clean high notes and very good mid and low end tones with an overall balance that few other acoustic guitars that i have played can match. The action is low and the neck and fretboard are a joy with ease to play. I will admit to being biased as i own three Sigmas and love them all.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:09 AM

I have inherited a Sigma guitar Model DM3. I am interested in selling as I do not play. Can you give me any info on value? I ca send pictures if you need. It also comes with a Martin hard case.
Thanks
Nettie Weber


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: sigmadr-11
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:42 PM

The DM-3 is a medium grade that has solid Spruce top and probably solid Mahogany back and sides. If it is a Japanese made one it should be worth $250 to $300 in good shape. The Martin hard case can only make it more atractive. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Denver Dean
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 11:08 PM

I just purchased a Sigma CF Martin Classical Guitar (model # 52SCS-4), serial # 12047 for $10.00 at a local thrift store. It is in mint condition. I just want to know what it's worth, and when it was produced. Thank's, Dean from Denver, Colorado.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 10:51 PM

hello, i would like to hear from any of you who have a Sigma acoustic with either a zero fret on the neck and/or an adjustable bridge.
what model is it that you have with either of these features? thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,gatorjim
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 02:24 AM

Count me in as another Anniverssary owner- bought mine in Tampa in 1982 for $300.00-I'm saving if for my grandson now, who is three.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Cheryl
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:57 AM

I have a Sigma GC1ST that was made in the US. There is only one post regarding this guitar and like me, they are looking for information. Most postings refer to JApanese, Tiawanese or Korean made Sigmas. I'm wondering if my US made GC1ST is solid top and potentially a good quality instrument or whether it is one of the lower range models. It has a cracked saddle and buzzes at the momentbut I think the sound could be good with a little work. I would appreciate information about these US made Sigmas, particulalry the GC1ST.
thanks
Cheryl


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest,Rich
Date: 07 May 08 - 09:23 PM

I have a DR 28C cut away that I bought some 13 years ago. I have played it alot over the years and just love it. I have never seen another quite like it anywhere. It was made in Japan with the Headstock saying SigmaGuitars est. 1970. Does anyone else out there have one of these, and what do you think about it and whats it worth.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 08 May 08 - 02:22 PM

hey Rich, i too own a DR28C Japanese made that was given to me as a gift in '82. it is a beautiful florentine single cutaway that as you say was not made in very large quantities. the later Sigma cutaways have a more rounded style and i have seen many of this type whereas, the one i have comes to a nice pointed tip on the cutaway. this guitar was bought brand new with an excellent hard- shell case and was just under 275.00. originally, it was very brassy sounding with a lot of treble but as it has aged over almost 30 years it has mellowed in tone but not in volume. i love using this guitar in open tuning as it rings out with great tone and volume. I have never seen one up for sale anywhere so cannot say what it it actually worth but if i was pressed to sell mine i would take no less than 400.00 for it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Northerner
Date: 11 May 08 - 08:02 PM

Hello, I too have a Sigma Anniversary Model Guitar. I bought it in 1980 and was looking for its value today as my neice is looking for a guitar.   I bought it to take lessons and asked the salesman for a guitar that I would never be disappointed with.   

After reading this website - it was a good choice. I had no idea only 100 were ever made.   I am not sure I want to part with it now. It is in perfect condition. Glad to have found this website.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bruce
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:52 AM

I'm wondering if anyone here can direct me to a good internet resource or help me to identify approximate vintage and Model Number of one of my Sigmas. It's an oldie from Japan, missing the label from inside, so I'm at a loss to identify it.

It has the old Greek Sigma character on the headstock, with "Sigma" spelled out just below. It appears to be cedar top with Rosewood back and sides, with white binding around the body edges and headstock, but the fingerboard is unbound. It has plain generic sealed tuners, (like my old Ventura), and a sunburst finish on the back of then neck, but natural everywhere else.

The rosette and pfurling around the top edges are plain, no abalone, and although everything seems solid as a rock, the strings are a mile high off the fretboard, leading me to wonder how to bring their height down to a more playable level. It has a wonderful Martin-like boomy, percussive tone, and I think its worth the effort, but I sure would appreciate if anyone can help me to identify it as to model and approximate vintage.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMAN
Date: 17 May 08 - 04:24 PM

your at it Bruce. that is, this is the only place aside from ebay
that you will get any info on SIGMA guitars. very little info is
online anywhere about these guitars. i wish someone with webpage
knowledge could turn this into an online website that could become a repository on SIGMA guitars with jpgs, etc.
anyway, from the sound of it you have an early 70's DR-7. it is alot like the one i have though i believe it is a Spruce top. mine has great string action. take it to a good luthier and have the nut and saddle replaced or adjusted. if it's anything like the tone of mine or what you have described it would be well worth it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fishya5
Date: 18 May 08 - 10:35 PM

Hi,i just bought an old Sigma model number gcs-6.Has the crosswise m and made in Japan sticker inside.Any value or help?Rick


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Thomme
Date: 21 May 08 - 04:04 AM

I should pop in an let this be known. I've got a Sigma DR12-7 that's currently in the shop for a bridge that was bellying up and pulling, with it, the top laminate off the guitar. These things definately aren't solid wood. Not a chance in hell. Mine's got the early Gold Sigma logo (with the sideways M) and a seriel number of 8200. This guitar has an awkwardly figured internal grain on the back (it looks flamed) that doesn't match the outside at all. The top is definately a laminate top. I'm a little disapointed in this fact, as for 6 years, I thought differantly. But, I love that guitar, and it's honestly a fantastic sounding guitar, too, especially for an all laminate guitar. People I meet have always been impressed with how nice the guitar sounded, but now my spirits a little broken with it. Now, everyone's more impressed with my Blueridge.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 24 May 08 - 06:20 PM

Just as Thommes DR12-7, my GCR-7 with sideways M is all laminate. I have been lead to beleive that the model coding means GC for "Grand Concert size" and the R is for Rosewood. The 7 is model level, where 7 was one of the highest levels. My sample has a zero fret, but I have seen other GCR-7:s without it, and with sligtly differrent design. Mine does not have any pattern in the midseam of the back, whereas others do.

I have read in Levin brochures from the seventies (Levin Guitars was the Martin and Sigma distributor in Europe in the 70:s)that the Sigmas where bought from several different producers in Japan, which explains why there may be a differrence between instruments with same model code.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Thomme
Date: 25 May 08 - 12:44 AM

yeah, mine has the zero fret, truss rod adjustment on the headstock and a midseam on that back. It also suffered from some terrible structural issues in the top. The bridge itself actually cracked horizontallyabout 2mm above the soundboard, as well as pulling the top laminate off the board, bellying the board, the top laminate cracking vertically down the front of the guitar and chewing up the bridge plate. About $200 in repairs, but I'm almost happy to pay it to get it fixed (I love the guitar so much). There is almost no consistancy with these older Sigmas and it really frustrates me.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Tim
Date: 26 May 08 - 02:56 PM

Firstly - Great thread here. I bought a Sigma bass a few years ago. It's a 1973 natural finish through neck ric type bass with mono /stereo outs and single truss rod. The bass plays very smooth. Looks gorgeous. Just wonder how many were made as I can't find any info about it. Can anyone tell me about the serial markings which are only REAI on headstock.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,...
Date: 07 Jun 08 - 11:03 AM

i got my dads guitar
its a sigma acoustic by CF martin and the model iis DM3
its in mint condition
the cerial number is SK117354

can anyone tell me about it opr where to fin d out??


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 04:46 PM

I'm looking for info on a Sigma CS-6, made in Japan, low serial number.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 04:26 PM

Oddly enough, I recently bought my dream guitar, a Martin D-41. While I do absolutly love it, I still get out my Sigma Anniversary and play it often. Totally different guitars, rosy vs. hog. Sometimes ya just gotta go whole hog..... I will never get rid of my Anniversary Model.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars / DM-5 adjustable bridge
From: GUEST,DM-5
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 03:19 PM

i picked up a DM-5 about a month ago that needs work. sounds great, but the action is too high.
#73XXX first series (Japan) DM-5 w/ adjustable bridge.

as a note, does anyone know the style of the neck joint? (ie; standard dovetail?) what is the nut and bolt on the end block for?
any help appreciated.

i, too wish there was a way to get this to a forum based site, but understand the costs in $$$ and admin hours involved. lots of great info here. thanks to all for sharing.

cheers
jerry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steve-o_28
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 08:33 PM

Just bought a Sigma DM2 electric acoustic, can't find any details about it... my son wanted something he could plug in. What's the quality like in this one??


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: bigrickpa
Date: 26 Jun 08 - 08:47 AM

i have a dr-28h i bought in '87 from a local shop in md. played good and was the best bang for the buck at the time. over the yrs it sounded kinda tinny compared to other guitars so i craved something else and 3 yrs ago i bought a martin 00-15.at the time, the sigma was buzzing from a worn nut so i took it to a good local luthier.a bluegrass friend said get a bone nut and bridge, it will improve the tone, the luthier said get the bridge, so i did. OMG!, what a difference!this is a great guitar!plays well, takes the abuse i give it and never skips a beat.i take it camping and we sometimes play all night into the next day, with all the dew coating all of us and this thing takes it and dosen't change a bit. i use d'addario phosper- bronze light strings and its as good as it gets. anybody want to buy a slightly used martin?


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Subject: RE: DR-7 for sale
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 27 Jun 08 - 07:18 PM

I have been surfing Craigs List, and found a DR-7 in nice shape very reasonable.
Anyone interested go to (http://easternshore.craigslist.org/msg/688918342.htm)
I am not connected to this seller in any way, just trying to help out other Sigma people.

John (Valkyrie Guy)
1980 D10 Anniversary
1980-84 DR7-12
1976 F345 Takamine


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 08 - 07:40 PM

DR-7 Sigma on Craig's List

A


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerry allen 312
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 11:27 PM

im curious about a dr28 sigma i bought off ebay. it was made in korea and on the back of the head stock it says o c reject and below that scratched in the wood is the number 923305. the box sounds pretty good, better than me early dr7. any help would be greatly apprecatied. thanks jerry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Joel M.
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 10:16 PM

I'm so glad to see this thread exists and is still active!

I own a Tokai/Sigma SBG2-6, no serial I can find on it. As my second-ever guitar, I have a real fondness for the feel and the sound of it!

I've seen a Sigma CS-3 (Classical, spruce(?)) locally which looks to be in fine condition, MADE IN KOREA with serial #114740.

I'm concerned because I can't find any reference to the model in the Blue Book of Acoustic Guitars I'm looking at
on Google Books. It skips right over CS-3 to -4 from -2!

Any info someone can share? I'm mostly interested in mfg. year. Thanks so much!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DannyB
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 07:43 PM

I have a Korean made SDR-28H in fantastic shape no real dings or dents to speak of. It has a bound headstock which I haven't seen on the pictures I've found and there is a pickup under the saddle with an endpin jack. It's a good sounding guitar I bought for my son to learn on. Well I got myself a Martin HD-28 and my son now has my Blueridge BR-7.
So my question is how much should I ask for it? I may even put it on that auction site but I'd like to get a fair price for it. Thanks in advance for any help.

D.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Paul M.
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 04:38 PM

I have a SG-5 Hummingbird copy from Sweden imported by Levin. It has a Gibson shape headstock and a solid spruce top. Pearl block inlays and a beautiful cherry sunburst top. Original case with stickers from Austria and Germany. What are these worth, it sounds wonderful.

P.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 05:41 PM

I have a Sigma guitar model no GCS-4 that was a birthday present in 1985. However looking at a web site about Sigma, it says this model was a 1996 production. I know when I got mine! Serial no 8108229.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    **Forum Muderator**


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:57 PM

What would be a reasonable price to sell the above Sigma as a 2nd hand guitar in good condition?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,GIANNI D
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 03:15 AM

HI THERE I'M FROM ITALY


NICE TO TALK WITH YOU...I HAVE A NICE SIGMA DR 2 MADE IN TAIWAN.ANYONE KNOWS WHICH YEARS THEY START TI BUILD THIS MODEL,AND ANYONE KNOWS SPECS OF THE SAME MODEL? IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATIONS.THANX A LOT.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars 52SGCS-6 (16-12-2007)
From: GUEST,Mike Melbourne Australia
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 08:48 AM

Hi people.I want to add to my previous post from the above date and correct a couple of errors.I recently discovered a build/serial number on the bracing between the soundhole and the bridge of my 52SGCS-6.#493.I also previously stated that I had purchased a DK-28-12 string from New Zealand since I was told thats what it was,in fact it is a DR-12-28.The serial being #S46806.To add to my tale I recently had success on ebay Australia and landed an 52SDM-12-5,as luck would have it,it was only 10kms from where I live and my bid posted with 3 secs left on the clock and I got it.After getting it home and looking it over I found the serial number of #496.This makes me think that both my 52,s were practically built side by side and yeah they are fairly low numbers.They both have the SIGMA symbol inlay and gold lettering on the headstocks.I believe that all 3 guitars have solid tops and suggest this is indicated in the 52 model codes and in the S***** serial of the DR-12-28.I also suggest that L***** serials may indicate laminate on other later models.My collection seems to be growing real fast at the moment as I am also holding 2 Tokai Cats Eyes with another in transit from Japan,as most would know Sig's and Tok's were all made at the same place and I have keen interest in both but am not limited solely by them.My luthier(another recent associate) and definitely someone I rely on at the moment says I have got G.A.S..............Guitar Accumulation Syndrome and you know --He's right.For anyone with guitar problems it's well worth getting to know a luthier or guitar tech.Most minor faults can be cured with a set up and it doesn't cost a fortune.If your guitar is not playable,its useless.Great forum this one and I'll be watching more often than in the past.Somethings got to keep me off ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jimbo
Date: 09 Aug 08 - 11:12 PM

whats a good price for the Sigma 52sgcs-4?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 08 - 11:13 PM

also i has a slight crack comming from where the body and neck come together but hasnt fully fracked apart.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 12:30 AM

I don't know about anybody else, but once you've played a Larrivee Presentation model You just haven't played a guitar, this fine!!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars SDR-41
From: GUEST,mitoguitarman
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 05:03 AM

I have a SDR-41 I bought summer of 07 for $300. I love it. The action needs setting up, but the sound is close to Martin. I highly recommend it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JAG
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 05:49 AM

I have a Sigma DM-5, circa 1976. When I got it, the action was too high and the sound was a bit muddy. I took it to a guitar shop, had both the bridge and the nut replaced with bone, the frets filed, and the action lowered. After those modifications, the guitar sounded wonderful and played beautifully. And still does in 2008. In my book, the Sigma DM-5, when properly finished, is a Japanese Martin classic. Amazingly, they are still relatively cheap, albeit without modifications. So, if you are lucky enough to find one of these guitars and are willing to put a little money into it, you'll have a friend for life. -JAG


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Magnus H
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 07:44 AM

Comment on Paul M:s SG-5 Hummingbird copy.

After speaking with several people with background in the Levin company, there were some models imported to Europe by Levin, besides Martins Sigma models. Initially they were sold under the brand name Nippon Best. There were Martin style models labeled SM-X and Gibson style models labeled SG-X where the M is for Martin and the G is for Gibson.

In the later years of the 70:s these Guitars were branded Sigma, but the model numbers remained. I have never seen these Sigmas without the "Guaranteed by Levin" marking.

The information I have is that these instruments were all laminate, so I would check that Hummingbird top again.

During these Years the Levin Company handled the complete European distribution of Martin, including Sigma.

My experience is also that the Sigmas of the 70:s with the "Greek-Sigma" marking are all laminate. I have one myself (GCR-7) and I have had correspondence with Ebay sellers, who have checked for me.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sigma gcs-1
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 12:33 AM

Hi,

I fairly knowledgeable about guitars, or so I thought...

...but someone just offered to sell me a Sigma GCS-1...and I know nothing about Sigmas - except for the fact that they are (were) made by Martin.

Are these "decent" guitars? I'm really just looking for a "beater" to leave out in my family room (i.e., I don't plan on humidifying it or anything).

Thank you,
Mark


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 09:01 PM

Hi
I bought a Sigma DM-18 back in highschool (1973) and It is still fantastic. My 19 year old son plays it constantly. Wondering does anyone know what it might be worth? He is moving away and wants to take it with him :-(


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest,Dana
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:55 PM

Nice to find some info on Sigma. I bought a DR-28 (C) with a very good case a few years ago for $350 US from a coworker. I was sold by the resonance/volume, even though the action was painful. It has not a scratch nor a ding. I'm no luthier or, for that matter, no real guitarist but I have been sanding the saddle down a bit each time I change strings. The action is getting better and the intonation is still good. Maybe I'll mess with the nut if I don't get satisfaction from the saddle tweaks. I E-mailed Martin my serial number and asked for info on materials, price, date of manufacture, etc. Martin's rep said I "did good" buying this guitar at the price. Also, the rep told me that Martin doesn't have a lot of information on Sigma. She did tell me that my Sigma was made in 1989. She confirmed that it is Sitka spruce and rosewood. Friends of mine have Taylor, Yamaha, Takamine, Simon and Patrick, et al and I believe the sound of my Sigma is in the same ball park if not the same presumed league with any of them. All of you who are happy with your Sigma play on, enjoy it, and save/invest the grand or two you could have spent on a more coveted guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Joe in Texas
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 01:21 PM

I have a DR-7 s/n 4088 I bought the guitar new in 1970 or 71. It has a vee shaped neck, the zero fret, adjustable bridge, truss rod adjustment and is in excellent shape. I have played this guitar almost every day since buying it. I would never part with this instrument...it plays better and sounds just as good as any Martin D28 or D35 I have ever played.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 05:54 PM

ide like to know what my guitar is worth. in the soundhole is engraved: "sigma guitars of martin & co." "DT-3 C" "274968" and "810256" i dont really know wat any of this means..help.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: RustyGrid
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 05:57 PM

you mean this one?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SIGMA-BY-MARTIN-ACOUSTIC-GUITAR-TOP-OF-THE-LINE_W0QQitemZ150287116068QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150287116068&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:35 AM

I just bought a used Sigma DR 41 in mint condition with a hard shell case. It was a little tight, but I restrung it, took down the action on the saddle and nut and after playing it for a few days...it sounds wonderful. It's not as bassy as my new DCX1E. It's not as sweet as my 30 year old D 18, but it's somewhere between the two and very responsive.
It's far better than my Alvarez (which has a nice pickup and onboard tuning).

It's very light colored (like my D18 used to be) but if it sees more time out of the case, I bet it will get to be that same honey color.
It was relatively inexpensive for a solid top scalloped braced guitar and is a real pleasure to play.

I'm looking at another used Sigma tomorrow. For a small fraction of the cost of a Martin, the DR 41 has a large fraction of the feel and sound of a Martin. I don't know if they're all that nice, but I like having something I can enjoy playing without worrying about it as much as my higher end guitar...and it sounds good enough for acoustic gigs.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sigma D-10 for sale at eBAY, ending today!!!
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 10:58 AM

Hi all!

I just decided to come and spread the word here. As far as I know the rarest and most wanted Sigma model is for sale at eBay for another 15+ hours. We are talking about D-10 model here that I understood was Sigma´s 10th anniversary model and they made only 100 of them IN Nazareth, PA. The highest bid right now is $405.12 and yet the reserve is not met. I would be interested in this guitar myself too but the seller states he doesn´t accept bids from outside the lower 48 US states, so I´m out of this game. What would make me a bit hesitant in offering much more is that purchases from this seller have only $200 buyer´s protecton. But... if some one is interested at least there´s a chance to get in correspondence with the seller should the reserve not be met during this auction. If you´re near Ozark, Missouri, US, you might be able to arrange viewing too, if the guitar doesn´t sell in the auction of course.

Here´s the link to ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-SIGMA-D10-DREADNOUGHT-ANNIVERSARY-BY-MARTIN_W0QQitemZ320302288528QQihZ011QQcategoryZ159947QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

PS: I'm in no relationship of any kind with seller. Just thought some one of the readers here could be interested in, since these don't show up very often. So... if some one reading this gets lucky with this one, please come to tell us how D-10 really is! I would also be curious about the price, but also understand not every1 wants to talk about that.

Good luck to every body!


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Subject: RE: D10 Anniversary
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:31 PM

Well I see the D10 Annivesary on E Bay went for $886.00. It gets better every time. There was one on E Bay that sold for $760.00 back in March 1st of 08, and another on March 9th for $717.00. I still have mine and love this guitar, won't sell that puppy!
Hope one of you Sigma guy's got this last one. Still a lot cheaper than it's Martin cousin.
John (valky guy)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 11:38 PM

I'm the original owner of a 32 year old D 18 which is sweet as can be, and a new DCX1E which is surprising nice...but I'm amazed at the Sigma DR 41 I got two weeks ago. It was in mint condition and I've been playing it a lot and it is really opening up.

I was at the factory last week and they said the upper end Sigmas are really like Martins at a lower price.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,dixarone
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM

Well. What a great thread this is...

I'm getting ready to sell my Sigma that's been kicking around for some time now. Was purchased in late 70's/early 80's as a gift to a teenager (me) who didn't end up playing it that much. I believe it was purchased used at that time, but not 100% sure. Based on the info here, I would say almost 100% sure though. It really hasn't been played at all for most of the last 25 years...

I'm trying to figure out a decent price to let this go at...here are the specs from the guitar:

Model GCS-6
Serial # 3569
Made in Japan

Anyone who thinks they may have an approx. value (I'm in Canada, fwiw), I'm interested to hear...thanks!

dixarone-at-gmail.com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,CaptCraig
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:44 AM

I bought my Sigma DR-28c new in 1983 for around $650 at a guitar shop in London, Ontario. After a minor adjustment, the action is low, fast, and light. I normally string with extra light coated strings and am really impressed with how well it holds tune. I've had a few professional musicians play my guitar, including Kix Brooks from Brooks and Dunn, and all were very impressed. One player offered me $800 and I believe he was low-balling me (he knows guitars!). Although it's hard to find info on it, I believe it's design is based on the Martin D28. It's a beautiful guitar and I will never sell it! I am not sure just how many were even made between 1980-83, but it seems rare.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bozeman
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 04:17 AM

To All interested in Sigma DR-11

I have a Sigma DR-11 that I purchased new in 1978 for about $335. It has a solid spruce top, rosewood keyboard, and I believe solid (?)rosewood back and sides. Like others described here, it is a three-piece back, and has mother of pearl inlays around the sound hole and on the neck.

It has gold leaf "Sigma" on the head, AND it says "Est. 1970," which contradicts another post in this thread that use of this didn't start until 1980.

I've wanted a real Martin ever since I bought this guitar, and just today took my DR-11 in to a local music shop here in Bozeman (a signature Martin Dealer), and my DR-11 sounded as good or better than some of the new D-28s I played: Honestly!

Though my older Sigma, which is one of the "Made in Japan for CF Martin" models has a few dings and would probably benefit from a good retooling, it's in pretty good shape and I am amazed at the sound quality. The dealer was quick to offer me $350 on a trade in on the Martin I was looking at, and I decided since my Sigma sounded notably better than the JC16RGTE Premium I was looking at to keep it. Glad I did after doing a bit more research and reading here that apparently (a) many of the 1970's Japanese Sigmas are considered to be pretty good guitars, and (b) the DR-11 may be one of the rarer models.

Perhaps the lesson in all of this is that when I bought this guitar, a friend of mine who DID own several Martins said that the quality of wood--and of course the general quality of the design--was VERY important. At that time, the DR-11 was thought to be very similar to Martin's D-35. Over the years, my spruce top / rosewood sides and back guitar has aged nicely, and if my sound test today--confirmed by two others--is any indication, my original buy was a darn good deal!

I'd love to hear more from others who own a DR-11, or from anyone who knows more about their history and current value.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:09 PM

I am pretty stoked actually. As I sit here playing my Anniversary for some reason I decided to look it up. I am so glad I did, but now I wish I would have taken better care of it. Still in fine playing shape and looks pretty good. I inherited it from my Aunt who died when I was 15 so I would never sell it. I am glad to know that it is even more special than sentimental though. What I know about the Anniversary is that there were only 100 made to mark the last from Japan. Spruce top with mahogany back and sides. The binding and pick guard are tortoise shell and the finger board is rosewood with pearl "snowflake" inlays and the word Anniversary on the 20th fret. 2 more snowflake inlays on each side of the bridge. I love this guitar and every time I look to replace it I cant find anything that sounds or plays better for less than 2K. Find one if you can, they are a bargain even today. Stays in tune forever.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 08:52 PM

How much is a one year old sigma dr41 worth?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 05:14 PM

I now have three Martin dreadnaughts that I really like...and a Sigma DR 41. It's really hard to say which is the nicest sounding guitar. I know the old D 18 and the new D16RGT and the new DCX1E are more valuable, but playing them side by side the Sigma holds up well.

I've been involved in discussions about the value of solid woods and the consensus seems to be the top is most important. The back and sides are more important for reflection than vibrations...meaning the Martin road series of solid tops with laminated rosewood backs sound as nice and many of the higher end Standard series.
(However, I've learned from a respected luthier that much older Martin standard guitars had a different bracing on the backs making them vibrate more.)

Anyway, my Sigma which is still in mint condition and has a white looking top...sounds fantastic. I haven't played any others like it so I don't know if it's an anomaly, but I paid $295 for it with a case a few months ago and had a Fishman Gold + pickup and I love playing it. I wish my solid wood Martins were as loud. To be fair, my D16RGT is a little sweeter, but this is one of the nicest guitars I've ever owned.

I did manage to find a Sigma catalog and flyer and for the original owner, they carried the same warranty as the Martins. The repair man at the Martin factory agreed that the sound was remarkable. Others at the factory said they stopped making Sigma when the Mexican plant opened and a solid top Sigma is like getting a Martin for less.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 02:45 AM

The Anniversary D-10 was imported, inspected, and distributed in Canada by "The Martin Organisation Canada Limited" and WAS at 80 Milner Avenue, Unit 12 Scarborough Ontario M1S 3P8.

Strings were Martin M140.

1980 retail price may have been priced around ~$480 (CAN) ($395 to $420 US)

*NB: "organisation" vs. "organization" spelling.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest from Massachusetts
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:18 PM

I'm hoping someone can help me get some information about a Sigma SDR-28 I bought my son second-hand a couple of years ago, serial number 89098551. It is in beautiful condition and came with the original hard plush-lined case. He was just starting to play at the time, and since then has gotten lots of compliments from experienced players on the sound and quality. I'd love to have more information about the guitar. (Not that he wants to sell; he's quite happy with it.)

Following internet links, I gather we lucked out. It sounds from the SDR, that it has a solid spruce top, but I am not sure if it has mahogany or rosewood sides and back, and suspect those are laminated. I also suspect it was made in Korea, from other internet chat, but am just guessing. Can anyone guide me to a Sigma serial number site, help me get additional information, and get a sense of what it's worth?

Enjoying the Sigma info. Thanks in advance.


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Subject: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,the fool on the hill
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 10:40 AM

hello all...

i was looking and reading this posts here now for more then a year, never posted myself, but got lof of information on sigma guitars from this site.

I bought myself several sigma guitars in the last 12 months, looking for "the" guitar, lowsuite, for me.

i don't want to say that i found it now, cause this would be too early, but the best playing and sounding sigma guitar i have is definatly the DR-35N i purchased some days ago.
this one has a solid top and laminated back and sides, martin tuners and a martin serialnumber.

the sound is great, and it plays really well.

i'm sorry to say, but all other sigmas i have (all laminates, but with old sigma logo (dm-5 12, dm5, 52sdr7 and another one without a modelnumber but a green Martin papaerlabel???...) are nothing compares to the dr-35n.

i don't know, maybe its the solid top, or the made in usa, i dont know, but this guitar really is balanced on all strings and played strummed, it sings and sounds just great...

what do you think of it. does the solid top makes the differance?

keep on playing,

fer


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,the fool on the hill
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 10:52 AM

i was just rereading my post...

i have to correct myself on one thing.

the words "are nothing compares to the dr-35n"
sounds too negativ. they all sound very well, but not as good and as close to a real martin as the beautifull dr-35...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bluehawk
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 11:38 PM

Wow!! I just found this thread tonight. Finally some info on Sigma guitars. A BIG thank you to Mr. S Webb for his great information. I hope he is still out there fixing and playing his Sigma guitars.

I also have a D-10 Anniversary. I bought it new in 1980 or 1981 from a music shop here in South Texas. My sister-in-law also bought one a day or two before I bought mine.

So add two more D-10 Anniversary Sigma guitars to the list. I wonder how many that makes on this list out of the 100 that were built?

Best of luck to you all.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 09:12 AM

About two months ago, I bought a Martin D16RGT (dreadnaught with scalloped braced solid sitka spruce top and solid rosewood back and sides) and a used mint condition Sigma DR 41 (dreadnaught with scalloped braced solid spruce top and laminated rosewood back and sides.)

Both guitars sound much better now than when I bought them. I have changed the saddles and bridgepins to bone and adjusted them for close action, and added Fishman Gold + pickups in each.)

The Martin is more expensive and more prestigious than the Sigma...but which one is better? I really can't say. The Martin is a little sweeter sounding, but doesn't have nearly as much volume and clarity on the treble strings. The fingerboard on the Sigma is a little wavy but it feels fine.

Which do I like to play more? I really can't say, but the question of the advantage of solid back and sides over laminated back and sides has been a puzzling one. It would appear that for the type of bracing these guitars have the rosewood tone is due to reflection rather than vibration.

Cosmetically, I would prefer that the Sigma didn't have all that fake pearl inlay, and perhaps a darker top like the Martin, but I wish the Martin had a glossy beautiful finish like the Sigma.

Now I wonder how many of the solid top Sigma guitars are beautiful like mine. I bought it as a back up guitar and it has far exceeded my expectations. I have three Martin dreadnaughts and on a given day, the Sigma is as nice as any of them.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Glenn Walls
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 08:04 PM

One more Sigma D10 Annivesary for the record. I had one given to me a couple of years ago. A friend of mine new I was looking for a guitar and he decided to give me the D10. Once got it I started looking up information on the guitar and now I am fully aware of how blessed I was.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sigma DR-11
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 12:04 AM

To Bozeman: I too have an early DR-11 in great shape. Mine has the SIGMA with Greek M name on the head as opposed to EST 1970 . The Sigma name is in mother of pearl (I know of only two that have the Sigma name in MOP).
Your guitar was made 1980 or later as that was the year they changed the headstock wording from SIGMA Greek M to the EST 1970, even though they did start making them in 1970. The DR-11 was top of the line when it was made. Almost all of the DR-11 were made in Japan and all of the ones that have the SIGMA with the Greek M on the headstock were made in Japan. The consensus is that the Japanese were better made. I also a pristine D-10 Anniversary model. With good light strings it does stomp Martin D-18 Butt.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest: SIGMA DR 35S
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:22 PM

Hi Folks , I have aquired a Sigma DR 35S Made in Japan Serial # inside on back is S39197, the other serial number at neck joint, is less clear, but it looks to be 208036.
   From reading through many of the posts on this very informative site, it would appear the guitar was made between 1980 - 1984? Does the S in "35S" stand for sunburst?
The guitar has been well lived in, but the only flaws appear to be purely cosmetic. Any ideas on its value or the year of make?? I think I'll get it properly set up before I re string it. Cheers Geoffrey


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 06:23 PM

Hello all Sigma ppl!

Just thought of letting you all know there is a D10 currently for sale on eBay. It´s for sale on "Buy it now" or "Best offer" deal for another 3 days and 4 hours from this moment. Buy it now price is $1000 with shipping included. Once again being from Finland, Europe, I´m out of the game since the seller states to ship only to USA. And no, I don´t know the seller neither am in any kind of relation or connection to, neither have absolutely no personal interest in who gets to buy the guitar. Unless you want to define "personal interest" that I would be happy to hear someone that really appreciates it also gets it.

And please come back to the forum to share your happiness, disappointment or simply brag with what you´ve gotten to yourself :) And of course to tell how the guitar is ;)


Take care, good luck and happy bidding to you all who decide to give it a try!

Cheers!

Leo from Finland


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest DR-7 Owner
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 02:39 PM

What a great discussion I fell upon. I have a DR-7 that I got new in 1970. It has the zero fret and adjustable bridge and a great booming sound. I have had other guitars come and go but I have never, ever considered letting go of my Sigma(I currently own a couple of Taylors I use for finger picking). This guitar is a war horse and has taken lots of abuse over the years but it remains in great shape.

A few years ago I had new tuners installed. After reading some of the comments here I might consider replacing the bridge saddle and nut with bone. Recently, I decided to get serious about playing slide and easily set up my Sigma for the job. The adjustable bridge made it easy to raise the strings and the zero fret allows for buzz free slide action at the top end of the fret board. I have gotten lots of comments about how great it sounds with slide. I think I will take this guitar to the grave with me.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mac McKinney
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 08:47 PM

One of my Sigmas has the letter P stamped on it, along with the model number. Anybody know what the P indicates?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cutterflys
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 10:14 AM

Wow, what a good place for info on Sigma guitars. Last year I purchased a used SDR-28. The top looks to be solid and I assume the "S" in SDR stands for solid top. I did change out the saddle to a tusq and lowered the action. I'm using light gauge Elixer coated strings on it. What a player. Intonation is closer than what I've heard on guitars costing much more. I've compared it to a couple of Martins, thus I think I've ended my quest for a high end Martin. This guitar has exceptional tone and has aged well. I can't make out the engraving inside as to it's origin. If I was to go home tonight (at work now) and post the serial no. would this possibly provide me with origin and year?

Thanks In Advance


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cutterfys
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 01:29 PM

The serial no. for the fore mentioned post is 91010228. I suspect this is a Korean Model but it's a real keeper all the same. Any help on it's origin and/or year is most appreciated.

cutterflys


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Cathy Durham
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 08:44 PM

Hi. I have a Sigma with the model number GCR-7 that I purchased new in the late 1970s. It is in perfect condition and the serial number is 75070266. Can anyone tell me about its value in dollars and any other info on it?
Thanks,
Cathy Durham


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: cutterflys
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:08 PM

Cathy
Wish I could help you but I can't. Are you thinking of selling it or just wanting to know it's worth?

cutterflys


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,donat the bay
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM

From what I've seen, you can ferret out the year your guitars were produced from the serial #...as someone indicated previously. My GCS-6 begins with 74, the year I'd expect it was born, as it was purchased in 75. Several have asked about the value of the GCS model. Sterling indicated the higher the # of the various models, the higher the quality of the instrument at production (ie 1 at low end). Elderly music recently had a really beat 6 with an asking price of $35. I've seen others sold on ebay in the low to mid $200 range. I've also seen where folks were asking considerably more...but you can ask whatever you want. Bottom line to those wondering what their GCS-6 is worth;if you have an early model (72-78)in good shape, ask $250 and maybe come down a little from there.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,donat the bay
Date: 01 Feb 09 - 05:51 AM

Just saw gcs 6 that sold yesterday on ebay...$242.50 with no case. A bidder had asked if it was a solid top and the seller replied "yes". I'm pretty sure the seller is wrong.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:29 PM

I have a GCR-7 japanese made probably a 1975. It has a solid top. GCS stands for Grand Concert Sapele. I think the seller might be right. It probably is a solid top.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:32 PM

oh, I forgot. I bought my GCR-7 about a year ago. It is in pretty good shape but has some wear. I paid more than I should have, but I bought it from a friend. $200.

great sound though.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 07:18 AM

While I wish it had a solid top, The Official Vintage Guitar Guide indicates (pg 207) the GCS (Grand Concert Series) 6 has a laminated spruce top with mahogany back and sides.I know for sure that mine has mahogany back and sides, and Martin Company folks indicated the top was (likely) laminated...though the one sited in the OVGG was a 1994 and I bought mine in 75. Hey, it's still a nice little guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 11:32 PM

Don,

I have the original sigma catalog from 1970. It doesn't say "solid spruce top", it says "spruce top". However, I have a 1973 DM-5, the 1975 GCR-7, and what I date to either 1976 or 1977 DR-7s. All three have a solid top. I am positive of that. The catalog also says "spruce top" for those.

If your Sigma is made in Japan, with the sideways greek sigma letter in pearloid, I believe it to have a solid top. The 1994's were made in Taiwan. A laminate top for those would not surprise me. On a Japanese one? Yes that would surprise me a lot.

Other than the 52s series (which are all laminate), Martin used these to test glues and such, I believe all Japanese Sigma's to be solid tops. I know some think that Sigma initially made all solid wood guitars, I've never seen one, and I've seen lots of them.

I've also got a 1980 Sigma D-10 (anniversary model) and I doubt that it has a solid back and sides. I'm not positive but fairly certain. Nonetheless, it sounds FANTASTIC.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,keith
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 03:07 PM

I was wondering if someone could help me figure out when my Sigma 12 string was made. It is a DR 12-7 serial number is Z2914. It also says manufactured in Japan.

I've read through most of these posts and never seen anyone else mention the letter Z in a serial number. I bought it used in the early 80's and I don't think it has a solid top or back and sides.

It's been sitting in my closet for 20 years, and I was thinking about selling it, but I was hoping to find out a little more about it before I do

Thanks, Keith


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,keith
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 03:19 PM

I forgot to mention in my first post- my DR 12-7 has the "sideways M" or Sigma symbol in perloid above the block letter SIGMA name. It also has the "zero fret" which I have not seen on any other guitar

Thanks, Keith


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 08:27 PM

Keith,

There is no reliable way to date Sigma's. Unless you've got a sales receipt (and even then you don't know when it was made, just sold), all you can do is guess.

Here's what I know.

Sigma started the second generation of guitars in 1978. I know some said 1980, but it was earlier than that. I've got a couple of magazine ads from 1978 that tout the "second generation". Since yours has the 1st generation logo, you can safely say it is pre 1978. Next, it has the zero fret. Typically, you'd expect that to be an early one. My 1973 DM-5 doesn't have a zero fret, so it may be earlier than that. Also, if your guitar has open back tuners, that's another sign of early manufacturing.

I suspect that the serial numbers were manufacturer specific, meaning that sigma had multiple companies building their guitars. Some early serial numbers start with a year (presumably) and then a dash, my 73 Sigma is 73-XXXXXX

Sadly, no one except Martin can tell you when it was made, and they aren't talking!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,April
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:37 AM

I found a Sigma Guitar EST 1970 made in Korea model CS3 SK 087031 than inside a stamped on the neck 700187 in our closet. My husband bought it mid seventies [he thinks 1976 or 1977] and being a lefty found it very hard to play so this guitar is in great condition. It has sat in his closet for all these years in it's case. The wood and condition is beauitful, it has six strings and have no idea of a value, he says that he has maybe less than five hours of trying to self teach. He has never learn to play and our nine year old wants to learn but don't want him to ruin it, if it has any value to it.
Can anyone give me some advice?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,April
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:09 AM

So sorry but forgot my e-mail address:
Abrownfl@aol.com for any information on the Sigma Guitar model CS3 model SK 087031 and on the neck # 700187. Any and all info would help and will check this site often.

Thanks,
April


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,keith
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 03:51 PM

To: multiple sigma owner

Thanks so much for the info. That helps narrow it down a bit. Mine does not have the open back tuners. It makes sense that they were manufactured in different factories, since many of these posts have said that these older ones are all solid woods- mine is definitely not. It's difficult to tell but I think it's all laminates.

Either way the guitar is in really good shape the bridge is not separating from the top (I keep it stored with no tension in the strings) The previous owner had medium gauge strings on it when I got it and the top was a little bowed, but I changed them and it hasn't gotten any worse in the 25 years I have owned it

Thanks again for all your help- I may try to sell it if I can figure out a decent value for it


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: 12stringer
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:43 PM

Hi everyone... I just purchased a Sigma GCS 2...it appears to be a copy of a Martin small body guitar...it sounds incredible...anyone familiar with this model?
Thanks,
Randy


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bozeman
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 04:58 AM

Thanks to the Guest who commented on my posting, and the "potential" clarfication about date. I need to do some work to find out precisely when I purchased my Sigma DR-11. I was pretty sure it was 1978 or 1979, but with the comments you provided regarding the change in lettering on the head from the Greek to the Est. 1970...hmm...got me thinking.

My dilemma, however, continues. I recently bought a Taylor cut-away 12 string--started first looking at the Martin's--so now am still looking to purchase my first "real" Martin (I have a Little Martin LXM), and will continue to look at their 6-string cutaways.

Problem is, my Sigma sounds GREAT, and I'm not sure I can justify keeping it AND purchasing another new guitar.

The bottom line is, that I'd like to know how much my Japenese DR-11 is worth! It's aged quite nicely, has only a few minor dings, and sounds better than many of the new Martins I've played...which of course probably leads some people to say "why do you want to replace it with a Martin?" Well...first, I want a cutaway, and second...I want to be a Martin owner...call it status, perhaps longer-term quality, maybe an acoustic electric feature...??

Still pondering in Bozeman...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: DDar
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 03:15 PM

I am seeking technical information on an 80's Korean made Sigma CR-7 classical. I will appreciate infomation anyone might have from an old brochure, such as top material, neck, etc. It is a Rosewood back and sides, laminate I presume, and Internet sources suggest the dates of manufacture of the CR-7 to be from 1979-1985. I assume this one was made 1984-1985,as it is Korean.

Thanks for any info you may have.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 06:30 AM

A DR-11 went on ebay for around $400 a few months ago.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 12:50 PM

To multiple sigma owner,    I own an early MIJ DR-7 (original greek letter headstock) that definately has a laminate top. I have heard from others that also own one. Still produces a fine tone and has fooled many "experts". I own several solid guitars and my Sigma equals or outperforms all of them.
There a definately early japanese Dr-7's and other models that are all laminate construction.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kyle
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:57 AM

I've had my s10 for almost 15 years now, not realizing what it even was. I got this guitar as a replacement for my lousy mexican fender in 1995 and played it occasionally for about 2 years. It went into its case in a closet, and has traveled from south Florida to Chicago, followed by Texas and then to Paris, France. Ten years later it is back in Florida with my parents, and on its way home to Palm Beach County. I'm excited to see that there are others out there that share my joy of this awesome sigma and would love to see more info on any kind of reunion.

feel free to contact me
ssj4diamante@aol.com
kyle


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Subject: Trying to find a Sigma guitar
From: GUEST,AT in Athens
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 02:48 PM

Hello all ~ I figure since this is the best place to learn about Sigma guitars, it might just be the best place to find one to buy, too!

I notice a number of posts here with folks saying they want to sell their acoustic, 6-string Sigmas. Just so you know, I'm not a collector, guitar-trafficker, or anything with a clear label...just someone who knows a good value when I play one! In college, I played a friend hand-me-down DM-? and I've been searching a good, long while since.

I'd love to correspond with any of you out there who are looking to sell a Sigma Martin guitar to someone who just wants to play the thing day in and day out with respect and admiration for its inherent quality.

Thanks to those who have provided the rest of us with such extensive and enlightening information on these beloved instruments.

If you're looking to sell your Sigma, please email to:

afctank@hotmail.com

Thanks to all.

p.s. that's Athens, GA so don't worry about the poor Sigma sloshing around with the trans-Atlantic ballast!


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Subject: japanese sigma DR-7: solid versus laminate
From: Dave E.
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 12:19 PM

How can I tell the difference between a solid top versus a laminate? After reading through this thread, there seems to be some consensus that the solid top Japanese Sigmas (1970-78) have great sound. But it seems like there are laminate from the same era floating around. I'm looking to purchase a DR-7 and want to be sure of the difference.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:36 AM

To Dave E

If you look at the edge or the sound hole you can check to see if the grain goes through the thickness of the top. Follow a few different grain lines to verify. If its laminate you wiil be able to see the core material.
As far as I know Sigma did not try to hide the fact that they used laminates by "rolling" the veneer over to hide a core. You can use a mirror to check the underside of the top to see if the grain pattern matches.
Just so you know I own an early (sideways "M") Jap DR-7 all laminate that has fooled many seasoned players. I could also be argued that a laminate will stay flat longer given it's "stable" construction as it it not subject to the natural stresses of a drying solid piece.

Hope this helps


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 01:11 PM

Guest, AT in Athens,

I have several MIJ Sigmas I was planning to list on ebay in a few months. If you are interested I'm glad to discuss.


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Subject: DR-7
From: GUEST,Mighty Sig
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:07 PM

I just purchased a MIJ (old headstock, sideways "M") DR-7 Sigma serial number 9546. Judging from reading a lot of these posts it would seem that this should be a fairly early 70's jap? Any ideas on this?

Also, it has an adjustable saddle, is this consistent with the early MIJ sigmas?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: cutterflys
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 01:52 PM

Guest AT in Athens
Possibly interested in a MIJ Sigma. Can you tell me a little about what you have? cutterflysATyahoo.com


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Subject: RE: AT in Athens
From: GUEST,the mighty sig
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:45 PM

AT in Athens, I'm interested in hearing / seeing what you have. freefall365 AT hotmail.com

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:03 PM

i bought a sigma DM-5 in the mid 70's i dont remenber exactly i cant find the bill of sale but i do have the original show room tags.It was bought at a martin dealer in a little town in southern BC,Canada called Langley.i played it constantly for many years and then it sort of was retired.my interests took me in other directions.recently i restrung it after not touching it for almost 8 years.i was amazed at the temper and warmth of this obscure beauty.she is as stated a DM-5 with a relatively low unique serial#3333.does anyone know how to zero in on the manufacture date.i have read a lot of the posts starting from 2004 and MR.Web has the most revealing info.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:19 PM

500


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:06 PM

FretNut,

thanks for letting me know that. I've never seen an all wood sigma that was made in japan, and I've never seen one with a laminate top... so, that's one thing about Sigma's - there is NO consistency.

The Japanese Sigmas that I've seen used pretty good tonewood, even the laminate pieces are pretty good wood. So, I'd assume that it would fool many players. After all, it's all about what it sounds like.

There were several manufacturers in Japan, so maybe one of the builders used all laminates. The "52s" series are all laminate. They are really nice sounding guitars. were marketed as "professional instruments", and geared toward performers. Maybe yours is one of those rebadged.... Martin used that 52s series to test some of the glues and laminates that they use today on their lower end guitars.

I like to set up a few chairs in my living room, then make my friends sit facing away from me.

Then I play my 5 best guitars. Two are sigmas, one is a Martin, one Gibson, and one is a Thompson. Frequently they can't tell the difference, occasionally you'll get one who prefers the sweeter, clearer sound of the thompson, but all are amazed that the $400 Sigmas that I have hold their own against the Martin and Gibson and mostly against the Thompson.


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Subject: RE: Sigma D-10 Anniversary
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 31 Mar 09 - 07:03 PM

There is a Sigma D10 Anniversary on EBay up for sale. They have a Buy-it Now set at $950.00. Thats the highest price I have seen yet.
They just keep going up. I guess that is good for those of us that already have one. I know I love mine!
Good luck to anyone that goes for it.
John


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,the might sig
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM

I noticed that D10 Anniversary on Ebay at 950$ for "buy it now" too! It's not even in great condition with dings on the neck--but hey it's 20 some years old, and hey it's a D10. It has been up on Ebay for a week now and no bites. We'll see if it sells for that price.


On a different note, I can't seem to come to a conclusion on this question: Did the early MIJ sigmas (specifically the dr-7) have an adjustable bridge? I found one with an original tag (no place marker for the model and "Made in Japan"--it's just stamped where it fits on the tag). This one has an adjustable bridge and not sure what era this is indicative of? Mr.Webb!!!! : ) thanks to anyone who can help.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dana
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 09:13 PM

I have returned to this thread, occasionally, to see if the appreciation for Sigma is still alive. It is!

I am saddened to note that there has been no posting by Mr.Sterling Webb since, I believe, January of '05.

Mr.Webb, are you out there? You are a rare and valuable resource for the Sigmaphiles of the world. Speak to us.

I am still loving my DR-28C (not a cut-away). I do not know what the "C" signifies. Mr.Webb, if you care to share, what does that "C" mean?

Dana


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars BOLT NECK?!?!?
From: GUEST,mighty sig
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 12:35 PM

Does my early sigma DR-7 have a BOLT ON NECK? I have major action problems that can't be corrected with the bridge and truss adjustments--bascially it needs a neck reset.

I looked inside and to my amazement there is a bolt! Anyone know if any sigmas have bolt necks? this would make the repair much, much easier.

Any experiments with taking them off? are they heavily glued?


My dr-7 has old logo headstock, "made in japan" and "Dr-7" stamped where ever it could fit on the tag--should be an early MIJ.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 01:29 AM

Just to keep the interest going, I've just bought for a very good price from TradeMe (the Antipodean EBay competitor website), an oldie-but-goldie Sigma 12-string. So, I've been using all the info on this thread to try and date it.

Here are the specs: Headstock: is inlaid mother-of-pearl "Sigma Guitars est 1970", (no sideways M), which (I think) dates it at later than 1980; interior stamp says it's a DR 12-28 model, which makes the body style the dreadnaught D-28, top solid spruce and the back and sides rosewood (R) - and very nice they are, too, only a couple of very minor dings. I've polished it up with Martin guitar polish and the wood just glows with that beautiful patina that old guitars get.

One stamp on the back-brace; "Made in Japan for G.F. Martin & Co"; and a separate stamp for the serial number S46 82. Which places it as no later than 1984, when they moved production to Korea and went back to paper labels.

I suspect that these items may place it at around 1982, which was during the time they were using Martin body design numbers.

Anyway, for all that it's over 25 years old, the neck is as straight as a die, the action is low and sweet, the volume of sound you can get out of it is awesome and the tone sounds very nice. Also it has an under-bridge pickup (which is still working) so I can put it through my amp when I play with my church music group. I'm glad I got it!

Incidentally, IMHO, the reason G.F. Martin shitcanned the Japanese operation was that they were getting a bit embarassed by the quality of the products: this one certainly sounds well equal to any Martin 12 I've ever heard and probably sold for about a third of the price!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,FOR SALE: Sigma DR-7 early MIJ
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 08:21 PM

For Sale: Sigma DR-7 early MIJ

Hey all you SIGMA lovers!

I have a sigma DR-7 I am planning to put up on Evilbay (E-bay) : P soon. I ran into this forum, read a ton of posts, and learned a lot.

Maybe someone on here wants first crack at it.

It's an Early 1970's SIGMA DR-7. It has the old style headstock and with the sideways M. It also is stamped "as it fits" concerning the model and "made in japan" stamp on the label inside the guiar as others have talked about and indicates a early MIJ.

Serial number is in the 9000's, so it's rather low.

Leave an e-mail address if you're interested!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 12 Apr 09 - 09:05 PM

To Dana    If yor guitar wears a "C" and is not a cutaway it probably means " custom" in Martin speak.
That will mean it could have abalone binding/purfling on the body/neck/fingerboard or all. Is this the case, or is there any other feature that is not familiar with Sigma's?
There are Sigma's that sport an "H" after the model # that signifies "herringbone" binding like the Martins.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 02:39 PM

Greetings,
I traded for a mint condition Korean SDR-28 yesterday. The serial starts with 91 but the guys swears he bought it earlier that that and paid about $900 for it. That amount seems high but he actually had the original price tag in the case.

--Can I assume with 91 starting the serial number thats its a 1991?
--Also, for those with dr-28's, whats the brige pin and saddle sizes? I want to upgrade to bone but want to do it myself. Should I go by the pre 1994 Martin specs of a 2A bridge pin?

Thanks and what a great resource for these guitars. Ive played mine for only one day and its a great guitar for sure.

Dustin - Atlanta GA


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Mark Ross
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM

The guys selling guitars in NYC in the '70's used to refer them as SMEGMA guitars/ And Takamine's were called "C.I.Fooled Yas".


Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: cutterflys
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 01:44 PM

Dustin
Sounds exactly like the SDR-28 I got awhile back. Not sure on the nut but you should be able to measure it and find the specs on the new one. Contrary to some of the stuff I've read, mine does have a solid top. When I look at the sound hole cut out it's very easy to see the wood grain from top to bottom. Love mine, wouldn't trade it for the world. I'd put it up against most of the newer DR-28s I've heard.

Oh as for the serial no. - It's anybody's guess on these (just my opinion).

Enjoy the guitar

Cutter


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dustin
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 09:04 AM

Cutter,
Thanks for the response. Mine is a solid top as well no question. The construction appears to be very solid. Ive ordered some bone bridge pins to replace the plastic ones, and I need to work on the action a bit from the new nut installed. But other than needing some tweaking on the setup its a great sounding guitar.

The original owner swears its at least 20 years old, bought in the late 80's in Austin Texas. But with the serial starting with 91 I figured this was pretty close to meeting what he remembered as purchase date.

Doesnt $895 sound a bit high for buying new in that time period? Apparently it was marketed as a very high quality guitar.

What strings do you have on her?

Dustin


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 09:28 AM

I recently purchased a sigma that i have been unable to find any info at all on it is a thin electric acoustic cutaway with white binding made in Korea it is a cfm-2rtt the back is a bowed shape it says sigma guitars est 1970 in pearl inlay with a design on the headstock that runs down between the tuners also in pearl inlay,,, the sound is incredible,,, has anyone heard of this model or have any info at all on it thank you for any info that you may be able to provide


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Subject: joining the Sigma ranks...
From: GUEST,AT in Athens
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 06:21 PM

Hello again learned Sigma owners -

I now proudly join your ranks as I've added a Sigma D-10 to my tiny collection of instruments. I'm so proud to report that I was able to negotiate a reasonable price on a recently mentioned Anniversary model. It has its share of battle wounds, some mentioned in the description and some conveniently left out, but with the beauty in my hands, I feel that I made a fine choice in the end. The sound, in general, is as described by other D-10 owners -- well balanced and very clean, favoring the crisp, treble side but possessing its own deep, mahogany foundation.

Thanks to those here who have provided such thorough commentary on these Sigmas, whether it was highly subjective or coldly objective or somewhere in between. All of it helped inform my ultimate decision and I am indebted to the forum for the guidance nonetheless.

So, add one more to the circle...

Proudly and respectfully,

A.T.

Samick something-or-other (my free, first clunker)
and now, at long last,
1980 Sigma D-10 Anniversary


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: cutterflys
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 08:41 AM

Dustin
Yes, 895 sounds way high especially for the era. As far as I'm concerned these guitars are of exceptional quality. I lucked into mine second hand at 200.00, hard shell case included. The guitar was well kept and in near pristine condition. I changed out the saddle and bridge pins to "tusk" and adjusted the action down a bit via the saddle. This guitar gets a whole lot of second glances at the bluegrass jams (I'm a flat picker mostly).

For the time being I am using Elixer phosphor/bronze lights (I have the old acid skin problem lol). I tried Martin bluegrass strings a while back and really liked the sound for bluegrass but just couldn't make them last. D'Addario strings were also good and bright but again dead in short time. I'm hoping to find a coated bluegrass mix of strings in the future. BTW, I really like the tonal qualities of Elixer strings - have you tried them yet?

I'd be interested to know what strings you find best and your style of playing.

Cutter


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 10:40 AM

Im using DR Rare phosphor bronze strings on the SDR-28. So far so good. I replaced the plastic pins with bone and brought down the action a bit by filing the bone nut. I also tightened the truss rod a little but found that as soon as I had "tension" on it my e string buzzed so very little relief needed. Shes playing nicely now, almost sings with tone so no complaints.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 01:37 PM

My recently acquired DM-4 Mahogany is luverly. She just had a set up and new ultra light guage Newtones.

She is big and dark and loud. I named her Odetta.

Just love her.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dana
Date: 27 Apr 09 - 11:34 PM

Fret nut,
Pardon my 2 week response time. Since my DR-28C is the only Sigma I've handled or seen, I can't ID any custom features. To answer your question, no, it has no abalone purling or inlay. I asked a few of my friends if they thought anything about its construction was other-than-expected. Nothing seems truly unique. I got several positive comments about the materials. It's a solid, tight-grained Sitka top with rosewood back (2 piece) and sides. The Yamaha, Strat and Taylor owner likes the volume and looks. The Yamaha and Simon&Patrick owner says it plays really nicely, it's pretty, and louder than both his 6 and 12 string S&P's, which have the satin finish. Someone made a comment about how nice the tuners feel. Oh well, the "C" designation remains, for now, a mystery.

Dana


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Carey
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 06:00 AM

I just purchased Sigma GCs-2 do you know what price I should have paid. gussie2721@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: sigma CFM-2RTT
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 07:52 AM

Here is a cut and paste from the email i received from Martin concerning the guitar i recently purchased.. It sounds like a limited quantity run. It is simular to the se-40t except it has a tear drop shaped inlay on each side of the twelveth fret marker




The CFM-2RTT Sigma was a for runner of the Sigma SE Series in the late80S early 90S. In 1992 it was cataloged as a SE-40T. The guitar was
constructed with a Sycamore top and was avaliable in
Burgandy,Blue,Black,and Tobacco Sunburst. There is no record of
production totals or Manufactures Suggested Retail Price.

Thank you for contacting the C.F. Martin Co. Inc.,


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,donatthebay
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 12:40 PM

Hey Multiple Sigma Owner, you are right! A guitar collector buddy was over and confirmed the solid spruce top on the gcs-6. He owns a Martin 000...same guitar the gcs was meant to emulate. He pointed out the wood grain. Evidently the grain is optimal if it is tighter in the center of the guitar, and should fan out in to wider grain patterns. My Sigma has the desired pattern. A couple of things he noted that separate the Martin from the Sigma were the cheap tuning keys, the lack of scalloped bracing, and the not-so great "rosewood" stain finish on the mahogany body. He said my 35 year old ax has a straighter neck than my 2 year old BR 160. Then, to top things off, I see somebody has a 6 on ebay currently, and they're asking over $400. As indicated earlier, you can ask whatever you want, but clearly the early/mid-70's Sigmas are something special.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 05 May 09 - 07:23 PM

Hey Dana,   It was worth a try, but you will know by following this thread that the only thing consistent with Sigma's is inconsistency. Someone will have the answer sooner or later. We'll all be watching to know it. Glad your guitar is waking up the higher priced instruments. Play On!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bozeman
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:50 PM

Hello Again,

I posted several months ago inquiring if anyone new the going price / value (these might be different!) of a late 1970's Japanese DR-11 (solid spruce top, three piece solid rosewood back, and rosewood sides)?

I've had several folks / musicians look at it, and tell me it's a "keeper," and it continually sounds better than just about every new top shelf Martin, Taylor, and Gibson I pick up.

Thanks,

Richard


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 10 May 09 - 11:02 PM

Richard,

My experience has been that they're worth what someone will pay for them. Sometimes it is a lot, sometimes, not very much. People either love them or hate them.

I happen to like them, and have 5 of them, but others see them as an inferior Martin knockoff.

A few months back, I saw a Japanese DR-15 which is similar to yours sell for $450 on ebay, yet, a couple of months ago, I picked one up (also Japanese) in a resale shop for under $200. You just never know. This one had an annoying open fret buzz on the high "E" at the 3rd fret. I knew it was just dry and needed humidification. 2 months in a hardshell case fixed it and it's PERFECT now.

Honestly, if it were me, I'd keep it. But, hey, I understand the quest for a Martin. I've got a 000-15S which I bought new 3 years ago. Love the look, love the 12 fret, but honestly, while it's a better guitar, it's not "that much" better. I'd not sell it, and I play it often, it is different than my Sigmas. Better construction clearly, but it takes a discerning ear to hear the difference. If you didn't know what to listen for, you wouldn't hear much difference.

Hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 10 May 09 - 11:46 PM

Hey! VT, good to see your name on here.Have been keeping an eye out so to speak.
Ultra lights eh? Will look forward to hearing those.

Al


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mike toronto
Date: 16 May 09 - 01:58 PM

Has anyone heard of a Sigma xl 3000?

I think that's the right model#

Purchased in 1986. Ontario

Solid body
thru-neck
Burgundy burst
Dbl. cutaway (pointy and offset) plus heel cutaway behind tone knobs
Gold Les Paul type hardware

Mine was stolen way back in '94. Would like to learn more about it (just found this forum).

Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 24 May 09 - 04:21 PM

Richard,

DR-9 just sold on ebay for $432.50. It is very similar to the way you've described your DR-11. Has the 3 piece back. It is stamped on the back brace, so that would indicate 1980-1984. IIRC, you indicated yours was earlier than that, but it is still made in Japan.

Brought some pretty good money, I'd think. Whoever bought it got a very nice guitar, and whoever sold it got a very good price for it...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 09 - 10:09 PM

Hi Everyone,

Wondering if anyone has ever heard of this Sigma model which I bought from an old family friend!! She said her husband had bought it a "guitar" show in the early 80's.

I have been told by 2 local shops that its a solid body rosewood (vertical bracing on the sides) with a solid spruce top (the grain matches) - they had never seen a Sigma that looked like this.   The original warranty paper says the Model Number is s2000 ("2000" is stamped on the inside) but I think its a mistake, there is no other identifialble model number on the guitar -it has the body of a D28. The serial No is 1390581.

The inside is also stamped with "sigma guitars made in Japan for Martin Co", but the headstock does not have the sigma 'logo' rather a "Cats Eyes" inlay. It also has inlay snowflake/diamond position markings on the neck, inlay around its body, and around the sound hole.

At first I though it was an Anniversary Sigma made by Martin but the descriptions in other postings don't match. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. I can provide photos for anyone who is interested!!

Thanks,

Pierre

pierretessier @ hotmail dot com


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:36 PM

Pierre,

I think you've got a Tokai guitar, not a sigma, though there are some who claim that Tokai was one of the manufacturers for Sigmas when they were made in Japan. They manufactured, and still do, a guitar called "cats eyes". Early ones were made in the Japan factory, and also some were made in Korea.

I don't know much about them, but the guys at the tokai registry sure do. They love them over there too. Bet you'll find your model there along with a year from their serial number database.

Good luck!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 09 - 09:32 AM

Hi "Multiple Sigma Owner"

Thanks for the reply - I had suspected the same thing at one point -and I had heard the same claim - that maybe tokai was the manufacturer for sigma at some point. I have searched online catologues that date from 1975 to 1984 from Tokai and have not found a guitar that I can confirm as my model (especially since mine has the "sigma" logo stamped inside).

To be more specific - the head of my guitar has a "mother of pearl torch inlay" - its not spelled out "Cat's Eyes" like the Tokai Guitars (although some Tokai guitars have the same logo).

Any further help would be great!

Pierre


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 09 - 09:38 AM

Hi "Multiple Sigma Owner"/Everyone

Further to the post above - here is the link to see pics.

http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/guitar33333_2008/

Thanks,

Pierre


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kyle
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 12:07 AM

I own 2 D-10s now and im looking for a 3rd. One i have to play, and the other one is in a glass case that i will have until im 100 years old. Now my best friend of 30 years is begging for his own D-10. Im looking for a CLEAN anniversary edition, and i havent had any success for over 2 months now. Some one give me a heads up if they are willing to sell or know an owner. It will go to a good home and live a long and happy life in the hands of a gentle guitarist. My email is ssj4diamante@aol.com please contact me.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 06:29 PM

To Pierre    I once had a friend in the 70's that owned a GM car. The name on the front was "ASTRA" (Pontiac) but at the back it read "VEGA" (chevy)! I think you have the luthiers equivalent. The factory either attached a Tokai neck to a Sigma body, or picked up the wrong branding iron by mistake. It certainly gives strong evidence that Tokai was a manufacturer of the Sigma line. I have always thought my early DR-7 could have been made there.
A very unique instument of obvious high quality.

Cheers   Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Just picked up a D-10 !
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 02:32 AM

Been lurking this forum for a couple of years- I have an SDR-28H that I bought new in 1987 or 88. Love that guitar- changed the saddle to Tusq, and I believe that it can go toe to toe with many of the martins in my local guitar center (and most of the Gibsons and Breedloves...and some of the Taylors...) But I bought a D10 today and it blows away any other acoustic I've ever owned.   The price? $200. Yes, it has a few battle scars on the spruce top, but no cracks whatsoever, neck straight as an arrow, almost NO fretwear. Yes, I feel incredibly lucky.   Previous owner bought it new and had a martin passive pickup professionaly mounted under the saddle about 9 years ago. I also own a 1937 martin 017- (nyc stoop sale- $90!) and a 2005 Taylor 210e- nice sounding, no-frills solid body player. The D-10 is now hands down the nicest guitar I own. Absolutely complex sound !


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,zpivat
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:50 PM

I've been playing for 15 years, and bought a 1973 DR-7 a year ago from its first owner, with S/N starting by 73XXXX. I love the feeling of this guitar and will take good care of it to keep it forever.

Its plastic nut was dying from aging, it had a adjustable bridge with 2 metal pins on the extremities. All laminate, but with very nice woods, i believe the sides to be brazilian rosewood, color is really chocolate and veins are stunning. Back is more red, so probably indian rosewood, with a dark part, probably meaning it was taken from the center of the tree, which as i've read is a very good point. Spruce top is with very close veins. Visually all woods are exceptionnal and no crack at all. It has crappy tuner. I wonder if the all laminate construction isn't making this guitar even more martin voiced than a martin, if that makes sense to anyone.

I had nut replaced, and adjustable bridge removed and replaced by tusq directly in contact with the table, action was high so bridge was a little shaved down too, all done by a luthier. I later had a seymour mag mic installed in it and changed the pins (4 low to tusq, 2 high to ebony). i'll soon change tuners and fit a strap pin on the basis of the neck to make it fully playable on stage.

One important fact the luthier told me is that the frets are probably glued with epoxy as it was usual at this period on cheap guitars, which could make replacement of frets very hard. Any feedback on this point from other sigma owners is more than welcome as it could be a serious drawback on the sigmas.

I put martin red SP on it, don't put lighter strings if you want to hear the wood sing. V shaped neck is a bit tricky at first. This guitar is hard to play and needs to be attacked heavily to give its best. I would not advise it to a begginer but consider it like a pure gemn, especially for my muddy pentatonic blues style.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Nor Elgan
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:42 PM

Hi, my uncle gave me a Martin Sigma acoustic a couple of years ago.
It is a dreadnaught style with serial # 801155.
It has an electric pick up with a single volume control but I'm not sure if this is original.
It has, "Sigma Guitars Est. 1970" at the top but no other defining marks.
He won this guitar in a raffle sometime in the late 70's or early 80's I'm pretty sure.
He used it as a spare guitar in his country band so it wasn't used a lot.
It is in great condition and sounds great.
Does anyone have a clue what model this could be?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:31 PM

D10 just sold on e-bay yesterday- Went for the $950 "buy it now" price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120435203930&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 04:43 PM

Howdy
Last year I got a 15 year old Taiwanese DR-41 solid top in very good condition. Paid $280 with a HSC. I can't afford a D35!
I carved and installed a bone saddle, installed some notched ebony bridge pins and mounted a gold colored strap button on the neck heel to match the gold Grover tuners. Strung it with Martin light gauge (except for a .046 and .056 bass). I adjusted the tension rod and the nut some, too.
It sings like whatever you think of when you hear a really nice guitar singing. Holds its tuning very well.
I aint no professional musician but I been pickin an grinnin going on 40 year now so I know what I like. It's a keeper.
Dave

PS - Glad to see Mr. Webb is still posting.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave in Mesa
Date: 21 Jun 09 - 03:54 PM

Howdy

Last year I got a 15 year old KOREAN DR-41 solid top/laminated bottom in VERY good condition. Paid $280 with a HSC. I can't afford a D35! Yet.

I carved and installed a bone saddle, notched and installed some ebony bridge pins and mounted a strap button on the neck heel to match the gold Grover tuners. I adjusted the tension rod and the nut some, too.

It sings like whatever you think of when you hear a really nice guitar singing. Holds its tuning very well. It's gorgous!

I aint no professional musician but I been pickin an grinnin going on 40 year now so I know what I like. She's a keeper.
Dave in Mesa, AZ

PS - 'Glad to see Mr. Webb is still posting.' My mistake. His last post was from many years ago. I hope he is well.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest ,brian
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 08:46 PM

I have a Sigma Guitars by CFMMartin&Co at top, and inside model#TB-IB serial#99050005 and barely see korea inside. can anyone give me any information on this acoustic guitar. thankyou!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kimert
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 03:59 PM

Just picked up my first Sigma - a DR-7 with Rosewood sides and 2 piece back and looks like spruce on the top. The serial number is in the 11,000's and it's the original style with the paper label and the sideways M on the head. Probably '73 or so?

Someone was giving it away on craigslist . . I happened to just be in the right place at the right time - the woman who owned it told me the strings were too far off the neck to be played, and a local music store told her the neck was warped and couldn't be fixed.

Anyway, it ends up that the top is just bowed out a little behind the bridge and the neck isn't warped at all. Probably has been leaning on a wall for the last nn years with some Black Diamonds on it.

It sounds as big as a Martin and the workmanship is just fine.
I remember when Martin came out with the Sigmas. They didn't really strike me as being a "low end" guitar and were priced along with the high - mid range instruments. I mean - I bought a Martin D 12-20 for a little over $300 and the Martin D45's could be had for just over a thousand bucks at the time.

I buy and sell guitars mostly, but after looking at what these are going for on eBay (200-300) I might just keep it. There is not a guitar out there anywhere right now that has the quality and big sound that this has for less than a grand.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kimert
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:45 AM

Got a little slide presentation made up so you see the DR-7 Here is a link to the Sigma DR-7 in my last post.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kimert
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 10:56 AM

I Just listed this 1974 DR-7 on eBay if anyones interested.
Auction #220461866200

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Just picked up my first Sigma - a DR-7 with Rosewood sides and 2 piece back and looks like spruce on the top. The serial number is in the 11,000's and it's the original style with the paper label and the sideways M on the head. Probably '73 or so?

Someone was giving it away on craigslist . . I happened to just be in the right place at the right time - the woman who owned it told me the strings were too far off the neck to be played, and a local music store told her the neck was warped and couldn't be fixed.

Anyway, it ends up that the top is just bowed out a little behind the bridge and the neck isn't warped at all. Probably has been leaning on a wall for the last nn years with some Black Diamonds on it.

It sounds as big as a Martin and the workmanship is just fine.
I remember when Martin came out with the Sigmas. They didn't really strike me as being a "low end" guitar and were priced along with the high - mid range instruments. I mean - I bought a Martin D 12-20 for a little over $300 and the Martin D45's could be had for just over a thousand bucks at the time.

I buy and sell guitars mostly, but after looking at what these are going for on eBay (200-300) I might just keep it. There is not a guitar out there anywhere right now that has the quality and big sound that this has for less than a grand.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 01:07 PM

I played a sigma,when I a played a gig at Coatham Mundeville folk club,it belonged to the organiser John Snowball,it was good.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: PHJim
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 12:39 PM

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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mike Mullins UK
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 05:34 AM

Hi, I've just aquired a Sigma DR-7 and I'm trying to find out a bit more about these guitars. The one I have has the sideways "M" on the headstock, adjustable bridge and seems to be of all laminate construction. It came with the original hard case and inside is the factory inspection certificate with the test played date showing 47.12.27. I believe this dates it to 1972 (the 47th year of Hirohito's reign) although the seriel number begins 74----. This certificate also states that the guitar was fitted with "light" strings which I'm assuming means 11's. The questions I have are: I've read on here and on Wiki that DR-7's of this era are all solid construction so why is mine laminated? Also, I cant find any information on the material used for the neck. It looks too light to be mahogony and is more like a teak colour with a very deep ebony? fingerboard. Any info would be appreciated. Finally, the action is quite high, despite little neck relief, a low nut and low saddle. I cant detect any raising of the top, so it looks like thats how it was meant to be. Is this true of all of these guitars? Any answers or info would be really appreciated!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Joseph Jeremiah
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 08:23 PM

It was nice to read about all the Sigma's out there.The fellow Sterling Webb really knew his stuff, Still I have a Question about my 52 SDR-7 SER# 15069 Any Ideas on year and such?? Mines like new, plays and sounds great. Value???? Thanks for any HELP""" Joseph


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Teawhy
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

I have a Korean-made Sigma DR-2 (serial # 8811000127) purchased around 1987 that I'd love more info on. I'm the original owner, the sound is still strong, it has a decent amount of light wear, but I haven't found much about resale value online - any input would be much appreciated.
Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 07:29 PM

Joseph & Teawhy,

Not sure you're going to get much more information here than what is already posted. There just isn't much out there related to these guitars.

The guitars are worth what you can sell them for, and I don't mean that to be flippant. There just is no guide. The "most desirable" after the d-10 are the early dr-7's that were made in Japan. They "top out" at under $500 for a dead mint one, mostly, but there's always an exception. Without seeing your guitars and playing them, I have no idea. $200 - $300 is probably typical, maybe. Japanese typically bringing higher value than korean.

Joseph, the closest you'll come to a date, is a "range". Here's the best guide I can give you.

If it has the greek sigma headstock, with the sigma symbol that resembles a "sideways M", it is pre-1978. Most likely then a 1977 as the serial number is fairly high. (then you have to assume that they were numeric and there is little evidence of that but it's logical). If it has the "established 1970" headstock, it is 1978 or newer as that began the "second generation". We know this from looking at and collecting old advertisements.

It seems that if it has the "1970" headstock and a paper label, it is most likely 1978 or 1979, and if it has no paper label but a branding on the back brace it is most likely 1980-1984 if it's "made in Japan". Korea production started after that, and is typically thought to have ended around 1988, when it moved to taiwan.

Hope that helps, not much more to say, I'm afraid.

Thanks -


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: leerockarolla
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 06:27 PM

Hello, I have a acoustic cutaway Sigma guitar made by Martin. It says it was made in Korea for Martin & Co (Stamped on the inside). I'm assuming somewhere after 1984. I was wondering what info you could give me on this guitar. Year it was made and if it is a rare guitar or vintage? Can anyone send me perhaps a link or pictures of an old catalogue (pdf) file or something with pictures and info? Looking through the sound hole on the neck block there is a number stamped. Looks like 803134. The first #8 is hard to tell if it is an 8 or maybe a 3. Looks more like an 8. There is another number stamped when I look directly straight down into the sound hole (NOT on neck block). This number is 249332 and there is also(separately)DR-3C. I can't find anything on a DR-3C on the internet or in any books. I thought maybe it was DR-30 and not DR-3C but after taking a realy good look with a flashlight it IS DR-3C.(very odd). Unless it is a perfect half print of the number 0 but sure doesn't look like it. This thing sounds amazing. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,David McDonald
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM

I just picked up a Sigma that someone tried to disguise - they scraped of the headstock logo, blacked out the Sigma stamp on the inside and tore out the label. I can see that it was made in Japan and the serial number is 526649. It's a solid spruce top with a black pick guard and thick white binding with an thinner black/white/black/white/black inside of the thick binding, and the sound hole has a triple ring of black and white. The back and sides are rosewood - I can't tell if it's ply - and the two piece back has what looks like a maple and rosewood checkered inlay. The neck is rosewood with dot fret markers. Any ideas as to what I got or how old it is? I just brought it home and am about to restring it, but even with ancient rusted strings it sounds pretty good.

Thanks for any help you can give.

David


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Derrick Sorensen
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:30 PM

I have a Sigma DM-4 that I purchased brand spankin' new back in 1980 at the Guitar Center in Hollywood. After reading some of the previous posts I'm a little perplexed. It's been stated paper labels were phased out around 1979 and that Korean production began around 1984 or so. My DM-4 does have a paper label but it also says "Made in Korea" on the label. I bought this guitar in early 1980, so it could have been some leftover store stock from 1979. The top and back appear to be solid (I'm still trying to determine if the sides are also). The serial number does have a "79" in it but who knows if that indicates a production year. It also has the "1970" headstock decal and no sideways M. Based on this info it seems that the Korean manufacture of these guitars likely started much earlier than the 1984 date that has been discussed. I'm also wondering if during this transition period that some of the solid wood stock that was used in Japan was ported over to the Korean plant until it was exhausted and replaced by laminates later on. Any thoughts or comments from the Sigma experts?

Derrick


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:40 AM

Just in case any Sigma enthusiast is interested: Currently there´s a D-10 for sale on eBay by some one who claims himself a collector. The price right now is $850 and Byu Now $900.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1980-Martin-Sigma-Anniversary-Acoustic-Guitar_W0QQitemZ250470930648QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3a513b18d8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 01:09 AM

Here's a tidbit of info direct from the official Martin website in regards to a very narrow window of Sigma serial numbers:

"Serial numbers 900,001 to 902,908 were used on Sigma-Martins in 1981 and 1982."

Too bad they don't indicate any info for other years but I guess we'll take what we can get.

Derrick


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,ned
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:40 PM

RE: C

When I purchased my Sigma SDR-28C in 1989 I was told that the S was for Solid, the DR was for Dread-Rosewood with rosewood sides and the C was for Cedar top. I could be wrong, but mine does look more like cedar and sounds much more mellow that a spruce top.

Odd to put cedar on a dreadknot, but I believe this to be true.

I am very happy with mine after 20 years. It is nowhere near the HD-28 LSV we also have in the house in terms of sound, but far beyond any sound that I have gotten from any guitar for less that $2000.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jojuki
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:28 PM

Just a note to express my thanks and admiration for the amount of effort and even scholarship that has gone into this thread, and for the information I've gleaned from it. I own a Sigma 52SGCS-4, serial number 25569, which I bought (I think) in 1979-80. Like a lot of players, I bought it as a cheap alternative to the higher end models. I played it for a while, but gradually moved on up to other, different and more expensive guitars. I basically abandoned my Sigma and it eventually was picked up by my teenage daughter. She and her friends horsed around with it for a time, but she eventually just stuck with her violin and left it alone. It sat in a corner of her room, uncased, unplayed and unloved for probably five years, essentially gathering dust. Not a case of abuse, exactly, but certainly neglect. When we decided to renovate our house, I retrieved it and decided to spruce it up and try it out. I cleaned it up, oiled the fingerboard, re-strung it and adjusted the action (a slight lift in the strings was the only structural change that had occurred in all that time of inactivity). I was astonished! It sounded beautiful and played with more ease and fluidity than far more expense guitars I had tried in the intervening years. It was like running into an old girlfriend, finding out she was as gorgeous as ever and . . . well, we won't go there. Let's just say I fell in love all over again, discovering qualities and charms I was too unevolved to see before, and now it's my acoustic of choice. Viva Sigma!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 07:51 AM

Hi, I have a Sigma DR-14! Made in Japan and on the label "imported and guaranteed by LEVIN Sweden, Göteborg", there is also a "M" stamped on the label. It is a 3 pieces back. It sounds fantastic! It has a solid top and I am not sure about the back and sides. Anyone can tell me more about this model and its value in case of a sell? The conditions are really great and the neck is still 100% straight with a nice action. Thanks for any suggestion. Rick


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 12:44 PM

Hi all,
Well I just aquired my 2nd 1980 Sigma Anniversary mod.10. It is in very good condition, about a 9 in a scale of 1-10. My first one has brass nut, saddle, and pins. This one has Tusq saddle, pastic pins, and nut?
It was very dusty when it arrived, but after a good cleaning and some Gibson polish, along with a new set of strings,WOW what a great guitar these things are.
I am really fortunate to be able to own two.
John (Valkyrie Guy)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: AgapeTile
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 01:42 PM

to Guest MIKE
There is an old Stella on sale at shopgoodwill.com
Good luck!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kysigma
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 10:34 PM

Hello, Multiple Sigma Owner,

I just wanted to let you know that at least some of the 52 series Sigmas have solid tops. I have a made-in-Japan 52SDR-9 which I purchased new in 1977, and it definitely has a solid spruce top.

My particular guitar has a laminated 3-piece rosewood back and sides, with white ivoroid bound top, back, fingerboard, and headstock. The greek "sigma" letter (sideways M) is inlaid on the rosewood covered headstock in MOP, with "SIGMA" in gold capital letters below it.

The rosewood fingerboard has inlaid MOP "snowflake" position markers, and the headstock is covered in rosewood veneer. The enclosed tuners have octagon shaped covers, and are silver in color.

This sound of this guitar has continued to improve with age, as would be expected with the solid top. I played it side-by-side back in '77 with other guitars of comparable price, and it sounded better by a significant margin. Not as good as the D-35 Martin I wanted, but definitely not run of the mill. It sounds better, in my opinion, than many of the lower end Martins of today, and at any rate, I would never let go of it because we have been together for so many years now.

kysigma


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Subject: RE: Sigma Anniversary for sale
From: Valkyrie Guy
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 09:50 PM

There is a Sigma Anniversary in excellent condition for sale on EBay right now, Item number 270463735000. Check it out.
John (Valkyrie Guy)


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Subject: RE: Sigma Anniversary on EBay
From: GUEST,Dana
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:38 PM

That guitar went fast. If I remember correctly, it went for $577 US and change.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 04:55 PM

Hey, JoeClones, what's happened to the rest of this thread? There's nothing like 500+ posts currently visible. Amongst the missing are the very informative early posts, on which most of the subsequent dating information was based. Please at least bring these back!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM

Fossil

Just click on the page numbers in brackets at top of page to get to earlier posts.

Page [1],[2],[3],


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jonathan reid
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 10:08 AM

What was the DM_18 made for i want to know?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Stefan
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 03:44 PM

Hi,
there's some pretty interesting info so far in this thread about Sigma guitars, that's for sure!

I hope one of the experts can help me with the following question as well : I've got a GCS-6 (bought for approx. US $90) since last year, and its serial number is 6260;
Based on this serial number (plus the fact that it has the original "Sigma" logo in gold block letters) I'm assuming that it must have been made in Japan in the very early 70's, however what confuses me is that it does NOT have an adjustable bridge, which apparently all of the earliest GCS-models by Sigma should have...

So, is there any way of finding out if my GCS-6 is a really early model, or is it simply a fact that the serial numbers of those Japanese-made Sigma's from the 70's don't have any real consistency?

Thanks for your help!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 09:49 AM

Stefan,    6260 should be an early model. Does the guitar have a "zero" fret? That is a fret very close to the nut (approx 3/16th inch. That is a good clue that it's an early one. Most early Sigmas will have the adjustable bridge but not all,depends when the stocks ran out and where it was made. I will take a fixed bridge anytime over an adjustable. As Iv'e said before, the only consistent thing with Sigmas is inconsistency.

Cheers, Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:32 AM

Thanks for your input Neil, it's very much appreciated.

My Sigma does not have a zero fret, and here are some pics of my GCS-6 (which is b.t.w. a really great instrument, especially considering the price I paid for it last year) :

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n314/the55thbeatle/PICT2343.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n314/the55thbeatle/Body.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n314/the55thbeatle/FullII.jpg
I made a few addional observations about some of the earliest Sigma guitars, based on pics I've seen that were posted on recent eBay auctions :
- there were obviously different internal labels used on the early Sigma models; a Sigma GCS-6 with serial number 5628 (and which featured an adjustable bridge) was recently sold on eBay, and this guitar's paper label is quite different than the label of my example; this guitar's label bears the text "Imported and inspected by the CF Martin Organisation", whereas the label of my GCS-6 (which is only some 600 digits away from this one) does not have this text; the tuners of this example are b.t.w. also different than my guitar;
- Another GCS-6 with an 8-digit serial number (starting with "73") that was listed on eBay a while ago also has an adjustable bridge (plus the old SIGMA logo) but had exactly the same label as my guitar...
- Then there was a Sigma DM-5 (with serial number 4747) for sale here in the Netherlands until last weekend, and this model had the same features as my example : the "old" Sigma logo in big bold letters, non-adjustable bridge, no zero fret, the same paper label as my example & its serial number was 4747...interestingly enough its owner stated in her ad that she had bought her DM-5 NEW in 1981, and the previous owner of my GCS-6 told me that he had bought the guitar ALSO around this time, and it was new as well...

So, it appears that there's indeed not a lot of consistency here when looking at some of these early Sigma's...:) serial numbers of examples that were made in the early 70's are completely different (4 digits vs. 8 digits), most appear to have an adjustable bridge but some don't, then there are different internal paper labels etc..
Could it be that these earliest Sigma's were simply made by different manufacturers in Japan at the time, which could explain these differences?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:48 AM

P.S. - I forgot to add three more observations in my previous post :

1. the end of the fingerboard of the GCS-6 with serial number 5628 that was recently sold on eBay has a rather prominent curve, whereas the fingerboard of my example does not have this curve;
2. The headstock and the neck of the Sigma with serial no. 5628 have a GLOSSY finish, whereas the finish of my Sigma's headstock & neck is matte;
3. All Sigma's from the early 70's that I've seen so far clearly seem to have a rosewood fingerboard and bridge, but oddly enough the fingerboard and bridge of my Sigma almost appear to be made of EBONY, as the wood has a really dark (almost black) appearance...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 08:59 PM

Stefan, You're going to drive yourself nuts trying to make sense of this brand. Yor fingerboard is most likely "ebonized" rosewood, a fancy way of saying "rosewood stained black". You will likely be able to see the rosewood grain pattern if you study it closely. This technique is widely used in guitar manufacturing Looked at your photos. Nice guitar! Looks as though it could have been made at the same location a my DR 7. I see a lot of similarities to the Tokai(Cat's Eyes)guitars that makes me think some Sigmas were made there. It's very likely there were a few Japanese plants under contract to make this brand that explains the difference in finishes/labels etc. I was interested to see your label quote"Imported and inspected by the CF Martin Organisation" in an above post. Organisation with an s instead of the American OrganiZation, Wonder what that signifies? Probably just a British influence on the Japanese.

Cheers Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Stefan
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 12:07 PM

Hi Neil, no need to get worried about my sanity :), as I've been dealing in the field of vintage guitars (also the more obscure brands) since about 20 or so years, and I see it as a nice little challenge to find out a bit more about the history about these particular guitars, confusing as it may be...:)

Anyway, here's a pic showing the label of the GCS-6 with serial no. 5628 that was recently sold on eBay :
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n314/the55thbeatle/Sigma6E.jpg

I read somewhere that only the very earliest Sigma's had this particular paper label (and this sounds quite possible, considering the low serial number of this example), however note that the Sigma that was for sale here until last week had an even lower serial number (4747) yet had the same type of label as my example...

Confusing? Yes..
Interesting? Also yes!

Kind regards,
Stefan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Stefan
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 12:31 PM

P.S. -
RE : "I was interested to see your label quote "Imported and inspected by the CF Martin Organisation" in an above post. Organisation with an s instead of the American OrganiZation, Wonder what that signifies? Probably just a British influence on the Japanese."

Neil, the spelling of "The CF Martin Organisation" with an "S" was actually implemented in the second half of the 70's by...the Martin company itself, believe it or not.

I've seen literature/brochures by Martin from the 70's where they used this name, and apparently the reason why they decided to use this spelling was simply because Martin's management at the time thought that "The CF Martin Organisation" had a somewhat more "wordly" and international ring to it...:)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 30 Oct 09 - 10:59 AM

Stean, Didn't realise you were a pro in the vintage guitar field, good to have you on this forum. I did not ever notice thee S vs Z issue...interesting. On another note, check out EBAY Item number: 380171080773 only 9 hrs left as i type. A very unusual dr-7, it's uncertain that it's what the seller says it is in my opinion. Hope you get to look at it before it ends and offer your opinion...

Cheers   Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Stefan
Date: 31 Oct 09 - 04:20 AM

Hi Neil,
I just had a quick look at that "logo-less" DR-7 on eBay, and although I'm of course by no means an expert on Sigma guitars - I just started to learn about them a bit more, also courtesy of the various contributors of this very thread - my "gut feeling" somehow makes me doubt that this is indeed an original Sigma...

For me the key indicators are the fact that it simply doesn't have a Sigma logo on its headstock plus its internal label doesn't mention that it's a Sigma either (and I've also never seen a Sigma yet that had a label that looks the same as this particular one), so I'm inclined to think that this is not a Sigma DR-7, but who knows (as the variations of this brand are seemingly alarmingly endless)...

I've now somehow become quite fascinated with those old Japanese-made Sigma's, so I decided yesterday to create a little database (in MS Excel format) for myself (and maybe some others will be interested as well one day?) & attempt to bring a little "method to the madness" here...:)

My "Sigma-database" will exclusively consist of Japanese-made models from the 70's (so the original Sigma line), and I've decided to add as many as possible data - as found on the www - to it (currently based on 23 different categories, e.g. model name, adjustable bridge or not, type of label, body material etc. etc.), and in this way I'll hopefully be able to get a better understanding of the many existing variations out there of this fascinating brand...

Stefan


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 03:05 PM

Stefan, Glad you got a chance to see that ebay listing. The real answer to the identity of the guitar I believe was under the soundhole label the dealer had applied. I did send a note to the seller asking if he could see any clue of a stamping. He said he would look and get back but that didn't happen, no surprise. He also did not post my question. There is a very good chance the new owner uses this forum, so we may find out in due course.
Look forward to news of the database, a good idea.
I also am interested in MIJ guitars.
I have 4 Hohners, 3 Suzuki's, 1 Aria, all acoustic. I have 2 acoustic and 1 electric telly copy NORTHERN brand guitars that were made in japan for the Canadian market, info on these is virtually non existent. They are easily identified by the maple leaf on the headstock. My best guess is Hoshino made but I think the electric could be Tokai, high quality stuff.
My DR-7 is MINT and my best player.
My 65 Harmony Rocket and 66 Harmony Bobkat, and Seagull SM12 round out the collection.

My other Japanese collectible is my 1977 Toyota Celica GT Liftback.
Check out collectiblecars.nytimes.com
I search from time to time for Toyota guitars cause they are out there but no luck so far. Be nice to throw one in the Celica for fun! Cheers Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steve waggle
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 02:26 PM

I am really glad I found this discussion. I own a Sigma DM-5 that I traded a Yamaha electric and Fender amp in on. Reason being that I had to replace my father's acoustic that got destroyed at a party and being a college student, I had no cash. Was wanting to know if anyone knows the price range the DM-5 normally goes for? It is in excellent condition w/ no blems, scratches and plays perfect. Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: gavmusic
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 04:37 PM

My eBay finger got the better of me & I bought a Sigma CS2 classical guitar.

I'm interested to find out about how when it was made & if the CS2 is regarded as a good instrument.

The label inside says "Sigma Guitars, Est. 1970, C F Martin Company, Model CS2, Serial No: 890900024, Made in Korea".

It is in very good condition & has come up nicely after a clean & some lemon oil on the fingerboard.

As for my own perception of the CS2, it seems to be a pleasant instrument to play, although it feels very different from my "everyday" guitar (A Santos Martinez SM44). However, each time I play the Sigma I get more used to it. I am intending to use the Sigma for guitar pieces that use non-standard tunings (I am learning a couple at the moment) without having to disturb my main guitar. At least that's my excuse for having 2 classical guitars ;-)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,RPA
Date: 07 Nov 09 - 12:15 AM

I see this is an old thread, but it was still great to read so much information about the history of Sigma guitars. I have a DR-15 with a S/N of 35089 that I bought brand new in 1978 in Harrisonburg, VA. My DR-15 is pretty much the same as Bob Spradlin's except it does not have abalone inlay around the hole. Mine has alternating black and white inlay around the hole.   

I had contacted Martin a couple of years ago to see if I could get any information about my DR-15. The representative at Martin told me they didn't retain serial number records for Sigmas, but noted the DR-15 model wasn't produced by Sigma until the mid-1980s. It's good to know someone else purchased one in 1978.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 07 Nov 09 - 09:14 PM

RPA where was your guitar made?

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,RPA
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 11:28 PM

Neil,

The inside label has at the bottom "Manufactured in Japan". The inside label has the following information by line:

Sigma Guitars
Est.1970
CF Martin & Company
Model DR-15          (the DR-15 is stamped)
Serial No. 35089      (the 35089 is also stamped)
Manufactured in Japan

RPA


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sigma dude
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:46 PM

I got my first guitar when I was 16, it was a cheap Yamaha, played it for 8 years~, then years later I bought myself a more expensive Yamaha, then 2 months after that I bought myself a 30+ year old DM-5 Sigma at a pawn shop for $100, excellent condition no serious issues, long resonance. Cleaned it *well* fret board, body, gave it new light Martin strings. I consider this to be the best acoustic I heard/ best $100 bucks spent. Proud to say, it says Made In Japan & CF MARTIN & COMPANY on the old darkened paper sticker inside. Never selling it. btw good to see all of you with the same passion.

Now my DM-5 acoustic and Electric BC Rich beast is all I own.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Magnus H, Gothenburg Sweden
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 07:14 PM

To Rick with the DR14.

Rick, I am allmost positive that all Sigmas imported and sold by Levin was all laminate. I have had that information first hand from people with background in the Levin company, and it is also stated in the Sigma catalogs distributed by Levin.

Levin had their own people sourcing instruments from Japan, and in the beginning they were sold under the brand name Nippon Best. Nippon Best were available in both Gibson style and Martin style. Later they branded all Japanese import guitar Sigma, and there were still models starting with SG which had a typical Gibson shaped headstock. These are the only Sigmas I have seen which does not have a Martin shaped head.
One example here:
http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1970s_Sigma_SG-9_black.jpg

For those thinking all "greek-Sigmas" have solid top, I can say for shure that my greek GCR-7 (sideways M and zerofret, and adjustable bridge) is all laminate. I have reset the neck and inspected the wood under the fretboard carefully, there is no doubt.

Still a great sounding guitar.

Magnus


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:25 AM

I have a Korean TB-1B that I picked up in the early 90's, It also has O C REJECT stamped on the back of the head stock. What is the deal with this? I can't find a whole lot wrong with the guitar except that the machine heads were not installed as straight as they should have been.
It's not a great guitar, but it's not bad either. I bought in Hollywood as a cheap instrument for traveling while my better guitars stayed home.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: guitaaress
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:56 AM

I toured the Martin factory in 1976 and saw literally piles of Sigma guitars at the factory that were inspected restrung and sold to Martin retailers with CF Martin backing. Any idea that they are anything but imitations of the real thing ie genuine Nazereth made Martins, is fanciful. But as Leadfingers points out they are are very workmanlike instruments.
The tonal deficiencies will be exposed when you take a Sigma into a recording studio and discover the absence of the extended harmonics that are the halmark of genuine handcrafted Martins and the other quality makers like Taylor, Santa Cruz and Collings especially. But as a budget instrument that plays well and does the job they are excellent value if carefully chosen as the quality varies greatly.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 02:08 PM

To Guitaaress,   Shame on you , you didn't do your homework therefore you are commenting on something you shoudn't because you lack information. No worries, we will educate you. There were Sigma models made at the Nazareth plant. The DR-28N and the DR-35N are 2 of them. The N suffix tells us this. Taylor, Santa Cruz and Collings are good instuments but not everyone can afford them Your comment on the Sigma brand..."they are excellent value if carefully chosen as the quality varies greatly"....applies to ANY mass produced brand at any price point. Tonal deficiencies appear at ALL prices, I own and have owned and played/recorded Martins and Taylors. My Japanese DR-7 competed with these guitars on many occasions and performed very competently.
I have read this thread from top to bottom and I have yet to read a post stating these intruments were renuine Martins.
What I have read is that there are many owners that tested their Sigmas agaainst the big dollar brands and couldn't justify the huge difference in cash for, at times a minimal gain in performance.
Your 76 tour to Martin enforces the claim that all Sigmas were setup and inspected in Nazareth before being delivered to the dealers. Thank you for that.
Please don't be a "brand snob", spend some time reading this thread.
You will learn a lot.

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Zach
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 05:08 AM

So, I've been interested in getting one of these for a while, and now I've been offered one.

There seems to a load of scholars here - what can you guys tell me about a GCS3? I'll try it before I buy it, obviously, but is it solid, etc.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 10:18 AM

Zach The top may or may not be solid, check the edge of the soundhole for clues as to whether it's laminated. Back and sides will be laminate. You really need to play it with a fresh set of strings and compare it to similar sized guitars to know. If you like the sound that is the real question, if you do grab it.
Look for a flat top/solid bridge connection/straight neck/action and if thes is enough saddle to modify, and other structural issues.

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lefty
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 03:32 PM

Does any one know the value and history of the sigma SE 19 made in Japan cut away electric acoustic guitar. I purchased one in the early 80's and have rediscovered its beauty. How many were made? I can find little to no information on this guitar. Thanks


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,PROTOTYPEDRIVER
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:33 PM

I HAVE A MARTIN SIGMA MODEL 52SDR-9 SERAL # 18263. IT WAS MY GRANDFATHERS.... IT IS IN MENT CONDITION.... BUT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.... ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY DIDNT MAKE VERY MANY OF THESE..
I KNOW ITS NOT FOR SALE... SO DONT ASK... I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT THE VALUE OF IT AND HISTORY OF IT... IT WILL BE PASSED DOWN TO MY CHILD... AS IT WAS PASSED TO ME... I HAVE LOOKED FOR INFO ON THIS MARTIN SIGMA.... BUT HAVE VERY LITTLE ON IT... I JUST KEEP HEARING HOW THEY DIDNT MAKE MANY OF THEM... I WOULD LIKE ALOT OF DETAILS ABOUT IT... PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFO ON IT ... MY EMAIL IS PROTOTYPEDRIVER@YAHOO.COM OR IM ME PROTOTYPEDRIVER ON YAHOO... MY MYSPACE IS WWW.MYSPACE.COM/PROTOTYPEDRIVER I WOULD PUT MY PHONE NUMBER.. BUT I KNOW SOMEONE WILL ABUSE IT... SO CONTACT ME WITH ONE OF THOSE.. I WILL CHECK BACK HERE.... TOO


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,amgis80
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

I'm glad to have found this Sigma thread. I have one of the elusive Sigma D-10 Anniversary models (serial # 815924). Received it as a Christmas gift in 1980. Thirty years old and going strong. Always knew it was beautiful in looks and sound, and would never part with it, but until recently I did not know the backstory of the D-10 and the desirablity of this great guitar.   

I do have question, but it is about the SDR-28 versus DR-28. I recently purchased a Korean (1993)SDR-28 (serial # 93060187). My initial understanding was that the "S" in SDR stands for "solid" spruce top, but my understanding is that the DR-28 of the same era also had a solid spruce top. If both of these models have solid tops, then why the extra "S" in SDR-28? From discussion on other sites, most folks describe the SDR-28 as having laminate back and sides (like the DR-28), but then exactly what does the "S" stand for? I've wondered whether the S in SDR means solid body, too. Wishful thinking? Anyone know?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:17 PM

amgis80      S is for solid TOP    the earliest Sigmas were made of both laminate and solid tops but neither carried the S designation. You just had to look real hard to see what the top was made of. the S came sometime later as they moved to all laminate construction, then it became a premium. There is no set rule though as the strangest thing. show up!   Your D-10 is all solid

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,ejollay
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:49 PM

I bought my sigma CS2 in the late 80's, new with a black cardboard case for $138. I have used it for many years at campfires with the Girl Scouts. I started taking classical guitar lessons and my teacher told me I needed something better to improve. I got a R3 Ramirez with a hard case for 6 times the costs. I kept the CS5 but bought a Alvarez steel string for more volume at camp. And I wonder how I ended up with 7 guitars! Now down to 5 after selling one and giving another to a student of mine.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,prototypedriver
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:51 AM

still looking for an answer.... thanks for everyones time in advance


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:08 PM

Proto.....Here is a paste from way up this thread from Stirling Webb,a well advised contributor. He has not responded in a long while so I fear he is no longer with us. AS FOLLOWS............... "Also made in small numbers in 1979-81 were Sigma models with the prefix 52S, as in 52SDR-7. Curiously, they are made entirely from some very strange laminates. The 52S series were sold as "professional" instruments; they have a pure clean resonant tone (like a high-end maple Gibson) which combines well with the human voice and records cleanly without a fuss. (I've had three of these, and all had thoroughly rigid construction, dead straight necks that had not moved in 25 years, low fast action, and great playing ease, as well as fine sound.)

Cheers   Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 08:33 AM

For those of you that missed it, a DR-7 MIJ just sold on ebay for $780 US. Be nice to your Sigmas!

Neil


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Fr. Anthony McNeill
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 11:47 AM

I too own one of the 100 Sigma anniversaries bought for my 21st Birthday in Denmark Street London, 1983. Great tone, crisp and with the Fishmann pick placed inside plays well through an aer amp.
You can see me play on You Tube in Santiago de Compostela Cathedral Spain. Check out one being played. Would love to hear any other Sigmas live? Anyone got a link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMckvgUcAYY
Been playing it for years at gigs and it still produces a full bodied sound. Will never part with it as it has too much sentimental value.
Fr. Anthony ofm


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Scott
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 08:54 AM

There is a Sigma guitar on my local Craigslist that the owner claims is a 1970's DR 8. The only references I can find are for DR 7 0r DR 28. Anyone ever hear of a DR 8? Thanks..Scott


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bob Mayrid man
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 11:43 AM

HI I have just became the owner of a Sigma CRS-6 serial 73032938 adjustable bridge, rosewood fingerboard, mahogany back and sides.

Very nice sounding guitar. I believe it was made in the early 70s at the Sada Yairi factory in Nagoya Japan.
I also have a Trameleuc AH10 serial 70270. I have an idea these guitars were actually made in the same factory both under license. The Trameleuc is one of the best sounding jumbos I have herd.

I would like to here from anyone who as interest in these instruments


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Wayne Colton
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 10:43 PM

Hello, My brother just phoned to tell me he had purchased a DR2Sigma with the Serial Number 88010878, I told him I'd get some info on this guitar but I've found the information is scarce. Could someone give me some info on where in was made or the approximate year. Thanks - Wayne


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: WORRIEDMAN
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 11:47 PM

Hello All, I am looking for information in a Sigma DR2 with a serial number of 88010878, from what I've read this guitar was made in Korea but I;d like to know the approximate year and any other info that you have, Thanks Wayne


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 10 - 02:13 PM

Hi! Im Carl
I'm interested about your guitar trameleuc ah 10 ec.
Do you sell it? I can offer you 2000$


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Aidan. North East England.
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 02:56 PM

I bought a new Korean built Sigma 000-18 in the early '90s (serial number starts 9308, the rest is obscured by the 000-18 stamp but might end 0092). Although cosmetically it is not perfect (the body end of the fretboard is badly finished) I've had no complaints about it's sound. I bought it from a shop owned by a local Luthier who was extolling the virtues of these guitars for their price.
From what I've read these guitars have a solid Spruce top (mine definitely has)& laminated mahogany back & sides. Mine (chosen from 2 in the shop at the time)has a flamed maghogany neck and a fine chevron flamed mahogany back (split from the centre seam outwards). This is not some photo-flame effect which they apply to cheap electrics, as the flame moves as you tilt the guitar. The flame is visible on the inside (back) of the body as well, although not matching the direction of the pattern on the outside. What I don't understand is why they would use flamed mahogany on the inside of a comparatibely inexpensive guitar !

For information (for those interested in current prices) - there is a Sigma DR41 for sale in a local guitar shop for £299.00


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bob Mayrid man
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 06:39 PM

HI Carl thanks for the offer but I dont really think I could part with the Tram we have been too much history.

The Sigma guitars to go for are the ones made before 75 as they were made from very high class woods, the stock ran out about this time and Sada san the old man who founded the factory in Nagoya was bankrupted also about this time. Im not saying that the Korean ones are not good value for money but the ones from this era are fantastic instruments.

Bob san


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,gkhbbc13
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 09:37 PM

I thought it was about time I added to this sigma fray. About 20 years ago I was teaching my brother how to play guitar (no I didn't charge him though I thought about it;) and having only one guitar at the time (Alvarez model 5227)it seemed only prudent to purchase a used guitar with reasonable sound at a better than reasonable price for him to learn on. I came across a 1980 Sigma Anniversary (anniversary on the 20th fret)with some minor fret wear on the third fret, the cost was in my neighborhood - $75.00. After playing, it quickly became one of my favorites (I only had two). Long story short, When he got married I gave it to him as a wedding present - He still owns that marvellous guitar. Since then I have been fortunate enough to purchase two (2) more anniversary guitars on ebay. One purchased in 2002 and the other more recently. After I replaced the plastic saddles with bone saddles the guitars just rock. There is no doubt in my mind these guitars are hands down some of the best made acoustic guitars. The tone is brillant, the neck remains straight (30 years old)on all three of these guitars. My brother and I now know how lucky we were to stumble across one (let alone three) of these guitars thanks to Sterling Webb. Big shout out to Sterling for his painstaking research and willingness to share with all of us Sigma fans. I am proud to say, as it stands, my family owns a full 3% of the market of Sigma Anniversary Guitars. Now if I can just find where the other 97% of them are hiding......:)


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Seeking Info
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 07:21 PM

I have not seen much about the DR1-ST. I just bought one for under $100. It sounds fantastic! Great sustain and low action. It was converted to a lefty prior to my purchasing it so I jumped on it since I'm a lefty and decent used lefty guitars are hard to find. Pickguard was removed and not replaced. This one has the paper label with serial number 707026 and says Made in Korea. Any clue to how old this might be? And any other info would be great too. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 01:05 PM

Excellent information. I have a Martin sigma DR12-7 with a repaired cracked neck from an airplane ride to Houston several years ago. I paid $100 for it about 10 years ago. I has been repaired but has not been strung for quite a few years. Do you think it will still hold a tune? Thanks again for all the great information.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DR12-7 with repaired neck
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 05:33 PM

I now have new strings, sounds, plays, excellent. Love it. It's easier to play than my six string.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guitar
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:59 AM

Sigma Guitars are made by Martin Company no finer guitars are made .
The top is probably made of Sitka Spruce an the back and sides are
made of laminate mahogany. The fret board can be made from any number
of hardwood as long as it meets the standards of the Martin Company.
Check the guitar make sure it is not damaged in any way.The neck should be streight with no bowing up are down .
Play the guitar before you purchase . The sound quality should be clear and clean.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,John in NC
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 09:53 PM

C.F. Martin has discontinued the Sigma line of guitars, as of about two years or so ago, so I was told. If there is one out there to be had, in good shape and a good price, I recommend you get it.

John


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:50 PM

I have a DR 8 guitar 1970 so they are out there idlike to get a price on it


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Luyssen Y - Belgium
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 07:03 PM

I must be the only left-handed Sigma Anniversary owner.

I bought it in Brussels about 1981 and it was professionally modified by the shop's repairer to reverse strings for left-handed playing.

It has a "10" stamped next to the described stamp, Anniversary insert and so on.

It's still a wonderful instrument. I use it from time to time to play classical music on it.

Just, I realy wonder if there were only 100 of them !


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:23 AM

I have a Sigma DR 7S sunburst serial 4218. anyone ever see one before?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,multiple sigma owner
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:26 PM

I have a DR-7S sunburst. Greek sigma headstock, but higher serial number. Nice guitar. great tone. a keeper for sure.


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Subject: sigma martin DR35n
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 03:06 PM

sigma martin dr35n says made in usa nazerath pa. on inside neckblock .whats it worth?? and yes it is the martin nocaster.....


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