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Origins: Cadgwith Anthem

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BEAUTY OF KASHMIR
BEAVER DAM ROAD
CADGWITH ANTHEM
COME FILL UP YOUR GLASSES (Robbers)
THE CANDLEFORD ANTHEM


Related threads:
Cadgwith Anthem - what's that flower? (57)
Lyr Req: Cadgwith Anthem (35)
Lyr Req: Cadgwith Anthem (from Steeleye Span) (7)


GUEST,Glos Bill 21 Sep 04 - 08:10 AM
BB 21 Sep 04 - 05:02 AM
sapper82 20 Sep 04 - 03:02 PM
Bates from Birregurra 20 Sep 04 - 03:37 AM
Wotcha 14 Sep 04 - 02:03 AM
GUEST,Rowan 14 Sep 04 - 12:26 AM
Ron Davies 13 Sep 04 - 09:59 PM
Nerd 13 Sep 04 - 08:22 PM
8_Pints 13 Sep 04 - 06:55 PM
John MacKenzie 13 Sep 04 - 02:35 PM
John MacKenzie 13 Sep 04 - 01:45 PM
GUEST,MMario 13 Sep 04 - 12:23 PM
Cats 13 Sep 04 - 12:15 PM
Snuffy 13 Sep 04 - 09:29 AM
Marion in Cornwall 13 Sep 04 - 06:54 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Sep 04 - 05:52 AM
Georgiansilver 13 Sep 04 - 04:23 AM
Malcolm Douglas 12 Sep 04 - 10:48 PM
Bates from Birregurra 12 Sep 04 - 09:59 PM
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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: GUEST,Glos Bill
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 08:10 AM

thought the beauty of kashmir was a poppy


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: BB
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 05:02 AM

I have always understood the 'Beauty of Kashmir' to be a rose, a characteristic of that particular variety being that the flowers hang down, i.e. 'drooping its head'.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: sapper82
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:02 PM

To John 'Giok' MacKenzie;
I would take the "Beauty of Kashmir" to be a rhodedendron (sp???) as that plant originates in the Himalayas.


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Bates from Birregurra
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:37 AM

G'day all

Thanks very much for your help, the day after I posted this request, I couldn't get on to Mudcat and I've been away from home since.

I appreciate the effort you've all put in, I've now dispelled the incongruity.

Cheers folks

Keith


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Wotcha
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 02:03 AM

Hi Marion!

Send regards to John.

Time to visit The Cove Inn for a Friday night session with the Cadgwith "fishermen." I highly commend this venue: folk tradition at its best. A bit of a drive since Cadgwith is one of the last stops before you get to the Lizard.

Cheers,

Brian


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: GUEST,Rowan
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 12:26 AM

No "History"; just a folk tale.
It was being sung in Melbourne in the late 60s, much the same as recorded later by Steeleye Span and, possibly, brought from the same source as theirs. When Steeleye Span performed in Canberra in '76 they sang it as their 'unaccompanied' item; I hadn't heard it for some years and was so carried away I joined in. Their mixer, stationed about 8m away, got rather agitated searching his desk for the channel he couldn't control but nobody else seemed to notice.


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 09:59 PM

Had a girlfriend who used to say Cadgwith Anthem should be called "Botanists Gone Bad".


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Nerd
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:22 PM

Given how recent the song is, the Steeleye recording may well predate that chapel style of performance...


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: 8_Pints
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 06:55 PM

We attended a benefit night for two lifeboat men lost at sea some six years ago.

All the lifeboat fraternity from around the Cornish coast seemed to be there and of course sang this wonderful song.

My good friend Brian Pengelly of Redruth predicted that the verses would be sung at a cracking pace but the chorus would be slowed right down to luxuriate in the harmonies.

"Just like an organ!" he would say.

The Steeleye recordings don't capture this Chapel style of performance.

Pity!!!

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 02:35 PM

This too Old thread
Giok


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:45 PM

Look under Lark Rise to Candleford or try this, Albion Band
Giok


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 12:23 PM

the midi file appears to be missing


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Cats
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 12:15 PM

The original song only has 2 verses. Most of the others were written in the Stable Bar of the Ring of Bells at St Issey may day 1979. The challemnge was you could not go to bed until you had written another verse. Many of the verses stil sung come from the pens of John Purdy, Jon Heslop and Dick Goddard.


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 09:29 AM

Yet another version in the DT as THE CANDLEFORD ANTHEM, but I have failed to find a Candleford in Britain.


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Marion in Cornwall
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 06:54 AM

In Canow Kernow, edited by Inglis Gundry, it's under the title "The Robbers' Retreat - The Cadgwith Anthem". It says it was 'Sung by a group of local fishermen at Cadgwith, 1956 and recorded by Peter Kennedy. The foot-note says:
'The singers described this song as "just given to us by the old friends gone by." There was "no music attached to it", but John Henry Jane was said to be "the first man who sang it in this bar".'

It is still sung in Cadgwith and there are still members of the Jane family living there.

Best Wishes
Marion


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:52 AM

A variety of rose I'm told.
Giok


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 04:23 AM

I believe that it is considered a traditional song but was devised by a group of Cadgwith residents who got together to produce a Folk Song for the town. The first record of it being performed was in 1953 by the Cornish Fishermans choir. Whether it was composed before then seems to be a matter of conjecture. It's history is rather vague. The beauty of Kashmir, refers to a flower.
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 10:48 PM

See, in the DT:

CADGWITH ANTHEM  Text and tune. No source specified for either.

BEAUTY OF KASHMIR  Much shorter text from a Steeleye Span record. No tune given or previous source named.

COME FILL UP YOUR GLASSES (Robbers)  The same short text, this time a bit oddly spelled, from the same Steeleye Span record. No tune given or previous source named.

In the Forum:

Lyr req: Caves/Beauty of Kashmir  -includes some speculation on "the beauty of kashmir / cashmere".

Peter Kennedy recorded the song from the Cadgwith Fishermen's Choir in 1953; Steeleye Span appear to have recorded an arrangement based on that, though they don't seem to have bothered to credit their source. Whether it's a particularly old song I don't know, but on the whole I doubt it.


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Subject: History behind the Cadgwith Anthem
From: Bates from Birregurra
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 09:59 PM

I've been trying to find out more about the origins of the Cadgwith Anthem, so far I've found out that Cadgwith is in Cornwall, but the reference to the beauty of Cashmir seems incongruous, can anyone help please.

Cheers

Keith Maxwell


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