BS: Stop insulting the American President.

Subject: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:49 PM

It is not nice of you to insult G W Bush. Others who agree can post here.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:52 PM

Actually, those who do not like his policies are entitled to insult him- But I do not understand why they cannot give the same rights to those who disapprove of Kerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:56 PM

The day we cannot tell the truth- as we know it- about either or any of our 'leaders' we will have irretrievably lost our country.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:05 PM

A title is an empty figurehead. The leader must gain my respect before I respect him.

And, I have always said: "He is not *my* president." I didn't vote for him.

T

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Amergin
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:07 PM

I don't think calling him an inept lying piece of shit is an insult...it is rather a high compliment...and the highest I can find for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:07 PM

At least no one is insulting him.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:10 PM

Ooooops.


Actually, those who do not like his policies are entitled to insult him

Maybe they should insult his policies?

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:11 PM

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Amos
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:15 PM

If he were struggling to do right, but erring, I would insult his policies.

As it is, it seems more right-minded to insult him personally. Once one observes the giant dogturd on the living room floor, it is past the point of "mentioning an indelicate flavour in the air".


A

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:17 PM

His policies are an insult to us. To the world. His cabinet is an insult to the federal employees who have to labor in that putrid environment.

Through Bush's policies we now find ourselves in a position where the war that was fought in our name is alienating us from the good will of the rest of the world. The Americans in Iraq are occupiers and the nasty extremist manipulators who are beheading hostages are getting far more latitude than Iraqi society would normally allow because they are suddenly a form of pseudo-freedom fighter. Thank you, George Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:21 PM

bb, nobody's stopping you from insulting Kerry. But when you do, some may not agree, and they may say so. Be stalwart.

Nobody's stopped me from insulting Bush (although I think of it as reasoned criticism) but they sometimes talk mean to me after I do it. I can't stop them. I'm trying to be stalwart.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:23 PM

calling him an inept lying piece of shit is an insult

He is not inept.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:56 PM

That's right, he's not inept...at being a lying piece of shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:56 PM

Those double negatives confuse me.

Yes, I do believe he is supremely inept. To me, it oozeth forth from his pores.

Oops.

sorry, I simply can't help it.

As for hearing folks' criticism ... I'm on another board that is extremely conservative. If I disagree with them, I get my arse chewed. Yes, that doesn't make me feel great, but it isn't the end of the world. I just come here or do something else and go away from those guys for awhile.

T

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:04 AM

No matter what else he may be, he is the President of the most powerful country in the world, and if you continue to insult him he will make the world go broke. So, be nice.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:09 AM

Ya mean, if we make nice our world will suddenly become peaceful and we will be respected and our children's children won't have to pay the bills we are running up? And all of the other things will also just fix themselves? Oh, goody.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:14 AM

That about sums it up, Ebbie. If you make Bush think bad thoughts he will act on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:16 AM

If you're nice to him then he can go ahead and let the multi-national corporations get on with their work behind the scenes running the world and there will be a little cash that will "trickle down" to you and me, Ebbie. (Some economists have referred to this as horse-and-sparrow economics--the horse gets the hay, the sparrow gets the shit).

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:20 AM

Let us all remember that.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:25 AM

Some presidents deserve admiration, some respectful disagreement, and a very few deserve disdain.
I'll pick disdain for this president. He had the whole world behind him after September 11, and yet he managed to alienate everyone.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Nerd
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:38 AM

Yes, Joe. He had the whole world behind him and he chose to moon it!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:56 AM

LOL! There you go, Nerd. :D

T

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:38 AM

He had the whole world behind him after September 11, and yet he managed to alienate everyone

Hopefully when he pegs it, that will be written on his tombstone.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: ard mhacha
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:10 AM

Joe, you can count out the majority of the people of Ireland, September 11 didn`t make us love this conniving bastard, whilst feeling great sorrow for the victims of this terrible event, there was never any respect for this con-man.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:24 AM

Mr. Bush is an insult to America, it's ideals and it's true compassion. Tell *him* to stop!!!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:35 AM

So what else is new in American politics? --

His mind works in the right directions but seldom works clearly and cleanly. His bread is of unbolted flour, and much straw, too, mixes in the bran, and sometimes gravel stones.
- Henry Ward Beecher, on Abraham Lincoln

Filthy story teller, despot, liar, thief, braggart, buffoon, usurper, monster, ignoramus Abe, old scoundrel, perjurer, swindler, tyrant, field-butcher, land-pirate.
- Harpers magazine, on Abraham Lincoln

Nothing more than a well meaning baboon.
- General McCellan, on Abraham Lincoln

An offensive exhibition of boorishness and vulgarity.
- General McCellan, on Abraham Lincoln

hat Washington was not a scholar is certain. That he is too illiterate, unlearned, unread for his station is equally beyond dispute.
- John Adams, on George Washington

A slur upon the moral government of the world.
- John Quincy Adams, on Thomas Jefferson

Jeffersonian Democracy simply meant the possession of the federal government by the agrarian masses led by an aristocracy of slave-owning masses.
- Charles A. Beard, on Thomas Jefferson

        
                
                        

Insults about Politics & Politicians :::Bill Clinton

The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep.
- George Stephanopolous

Bill Clinton's foreign policy experience is pretty much confined to having had breakfast once at the International House of Pancakes.
- Pat Buchanan

I'm just sick and tired of presidents who jog. Remember, if Bill Clinton wins, we're going to have another four years of his white thighs flapping in the wind.
- Arianna Huffington

Clinton is a man who thinks international affairs means dating a girl from out of town.
- Tom Clancy

I have never seen. . .so slippery, so disgusting a candidate.
- Nat Hentoff on Bill Clinton

The prince of sleaze.
- Jerry Brown on Bill Clinton

Kennedy after all has lots of glamour - Gregory Peck with an atom bomb in his holster.
- William F. Buckley, Jr., on John F. Kennedy

The enviably attractive nephew who sings an Irish ballad for the company and then winsomely disappears before the table clearing and dishwashing begin.
- Lyndon B. Johnson, on John F. Kennedy

Declassified papers report that John Kennedy was taking eight different medications a day. He was so wasted, his Secret Service code name was Ted Kennedy.
- Craig Kilborn, on John F. Kennedy

How can a guy this politically immature seriously expect to be president?
- Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., on John F. Kennedy

It has been the political career of this man to begin with hypocrisy, proceed with arrogance, and finish with contempt.
- Thomas Paine, on John Adams

He is distrustful, obstinate, excessively vain, and takes no counsel from anyone.
- Thomas Jefferson, on John Adams

He is ignorant, passionate, hypocritical, corrupt and easily swayed by the basest men who surround him.
- Henry Clay, on Andrew Jackson

The two-bit president of a five-star general.
- Anonymous on, Harry S. Truman

If there had been any formidable body of cannibals in the country he would have promised them with free missionaries, fattened at the taxpayer's expense.
- Henry Mencken, on Harry Truman's 1948 presidential campaign

To err is Truman.
- A popular (lame!) joke in 1946

Truman is short, square, simple, and looks one straight in the face.
- Harold Nicolson, on Harry S. Truman

Harry Truman proves that old adage that any man can become President of the United States.
- Norman Thomas, on Harry S. Truman

You don't set a fox to watching the chickens just because he has a lot of experience in the hen house.
- Harry S. Truman, on Richard Nixon's nomination for President

He is a shifty-eyed goddamn liar. He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides.
- Harry S. Truman, on Richard Nixon

Richard Nixon is a no-good lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in.
- Harry S. Truman, on Richard Nixon

Nixon's motto was if two wrongs don't make a right, try three.
- Norman Cousins, on Richard M. Nixon

Richard Nixon told us he was going to take crime out of the streets. He did, he took it into the White House.
- Richard Abernethy, on Richard M. Nixon

Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that his country needs him?
- Anonymous, on Richard Nixon

Avoid all needle drugs - the only dope worth shooting is Richard Nixon.
- Abbie Hoffman, on Richard M. Nixon

He bleeds people. He draws every drop of blood and then drops them from a cliff. He'll blame any person he can put his foot on.
- Martha Mitchell, on Richard M. Nixon

He inherited some good instincts from his Quaker forebears, but by diligent hard work, he overcame them.
- James Reston, on Richard Nixon
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Many, many more can be found. Insulting the president, presidential candidates, and politicians is a time-honored practice not only in the US, but in every free country around the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Bushwa, tch!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:37 AM

You people just do NOT listen. So, why did you vote for him?

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:39 AM

Insulting politicians is a time-honored tradition in the States -

Freedom of speech and all that stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:29 AM

Rapaire, thanks for those quotes.


I for one will no longer insult Bush....

...but leave it to those who can do it better than me.


..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Amos
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:39 AM

LOL, EP!!! There were some masterful remarks there, all right. The ones about Nixon are so much to the point today applied to Bush, they seem prescient. But I suppose slimeballs never really change that much. Bush and Nixon both taught us that any slimeball worth his salt is also amazingly artful in deceit. That is the hardest lesson to learn.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: ced2
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:45 AM

Is it possible to insult Bush? I would have thought not!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:51 AM

I would say that judging from the latest pols, many of you will have 4 more years to continue this line of thought.

Oh well, at least it will keep you occupied.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Nerd
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:55 PM

Are You Kidding? The American President was a GREAT movie...if you like chick-flicks, anyway. My wife loves it!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,Wayne Kerr
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:57 PM

My name is also your hobby, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Amos
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:42 PM

>This is Florida's new online Presidential election ballot as proposed by
>Governor Jeb Bush:
>
> http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html
>--

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:45 PM

Having respect for the office does not mean that you have to have respect for the person in that office if he or she is behaving like a somewhat demented, inept, hyper-religious (but doesn't give a damn for the poor), empire-building, dole out the goodies to his friends twit.

Actually, though, I tend to think that GUEST,Bushwa, tch! is just trying to sell troll-house cookies. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: M.Ted
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:53 PM

Bush is a weak, cowardly man--ran away during the Vietnam war, and, worse, on 9/11 he was scared stupid when he was told that his country was under attack, and it took him about five minutes to get up the nerve to run and hide--he is so scared that he makes people sign a loyalty oath before they can hear him speak--

Oh, and he looks like he's getting fat, too--

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: kendall
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:13 PM

George McLellan was an inept coward who resented Lincoln's expecting him to actually lead and fight. The dumb son of a bitch could have trapped and wiped out Lee's army at Antietam but he let them get away because he was scared to follow. Lincoln was not pleased, and let him know.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:57 PM

First, lest you get the wrong idea, I am FAR from a Bush worshipper. I don't like him; I didn't vote for him; I won't vote for him.

Okay, that's out of the way.

I from time to time hear (or see) people say "he's not MY president", as above.

The fact is that he is the president of the United States, for good or ill. He is the president we have, whether you--or I--voted for him or not. You can complain about the electoral college system all you want, or complain about the Supreme Court in essence picking him as the "winner" in Florida, and thus of the election, but he is the president of the United States, with all the power for good or ill that entails.

Nothing in what I say above requires or even suggests that you like or respect him. The fact is that he is the one in that seat of power, having gotten there by forms and procedures set up under the laws and the constitution of the United States.

So I'm sorry, he is "your president". Let's just see that he's not in that office come January 2005.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 04:10 PM

"General McLellan, if you're not going to use the army, I'd like to borrow it."
                                                                                    --Abraham Lincoln

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:26 PM

"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed." Lincoln

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." Lincoln

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." Lincoln

Bush has done little to unify the United States and much to divide it. Why would Americans want him for a second term?

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:21 PM

"Successful strategy demands that you unify your friends and divide your enemies. Bush has divided his friends and unified his enemies." Seymour Hersch

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Amos
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:41 PM

Brucie:

He is the Unreality President, and he appeals to those who want to face unreality. He is a violent and deceitful man and he appeals to those who live in, with, or for violence and/or deceit. He is an unreasoning and anti-literate man who appeals to the less than rational and those who have failed to achieve literacy, of whom there are many. He is a man of adamantine illogic, who appeals to those who have grown accustomed to trading in reactions rather than reasoning.

The wonderful thing to think is that these classes number almost half of our populace in SPITE of all the efforts at public education.

And Tom Jefferson wept.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:53 PM

I'm sorry, but I do have some semblance of a brain. So as long as I have such a thing, I am going to think for myself. Political offices/officials do not speak for me.

I am gradually trusting the institutions of the US less and less. I will no longer have unquestioning respect for a person's office. Not as long as most got there by wheeling and dealing. I am not averse to leaving the country if need be.

I do love my homeland, but not my government. and yes, I love the fact that I can say the above (at least at the moment) without getting arrested.

T

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:56 PM

"Insult the Man - Respect the Office"

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:29 PM

Joe Hooker (I think it was) sent a message to Abe Lincoln and signed it, "Headquarters in the saddle." Lincoln read it and remarked, "Hooker's headquarters are where his hindquarters ought to be."

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:23 PM

Bush's erratic behavior worries White House aides by Doug Thompson, Capitol Hill Blue; June 4, 2004
President George W. Bush's increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately express growing concern over their leader's state of mind.
In interviews with a number of White House staffers who were willing to talk off the record, a picture of an administration under siege has emerged, led by a man who declares his decisions to be "God's will" and then tells aides to "fuck over" anyone they consider to be an opponent of the administration.

In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media, Democrats and others that he classifies as "enemies of the state." Worried White House aides paint a portrait of a man on the edge, increasingly wary of those who disagree with him and paranoid of a public that no longer trusts his policies in Iraq or at home.

"It reminds me of the Nixon days," says a longtime GOP political consultant with contacts in the White House. "Everybody is an enemy; everybody is out to get him. That's the mood over there." In interviews with a number of White House staffers who were willing to talk off the record, a picture of an administration under siege has emerged, led by a man who declares his decisions to be "God's will" and then tells aides to "fuck over" anyone they consider to be an opponent of the administration.

"We're at war, there's no doubt about it. What I don't know anymore is just who the enemy might be," says one troubled White House aide. "We seem to spend more time trying to destroy John Kerry than al Qaeda and our enemies list just keeps growing and growing." Aides say the President gets "hung up on minor details," micromanaging to the extreme while ignoring the bigger picture. He will spend hours personally reviewing and approving every attack ad against his Democratic opponent and then kiss off a meeting on economic issues.

"This is what is killing us on Iraq," one aide says. "We lost focus. The President got hung up on the weapons of mass destruction and an unproven link to al Qaeda. We could have found other justifiable reasons for the war but the President insisted the focus stay on those two, tenuous items." Aides who raise questions quickly find themselves shut out of access to the President or other top advisors. Among top officials, Bush's inner circle is shrinking. Secretary of State Colin Powell has fallen out of favor because of his growing doubts about the administration's war against Iraq.

The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday night is, aides say, an example of how he works. "Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."

Tenet was allowed to resign "voluntarily" and Bush informed his shocked staff of the decision Thursday morning. One aide says the President actually described the decision as "God's will." God may also be the reason Attorney General John Ashcroft, the administration's lightning rod because of his questionable actions that critics argue threatens freedoms granted by the Constitution, remains part of the power elite. West Wing staffers call Bush and Ashcroft "the Blues Brothers" because "they're on a mission from God."

"The Attorney General is tight with the President because of religion," says one aide. "They both believe any action is justifiable in the name of God." But the President who says he rules at the behest of God can also tongue-lash those he perceives as disloyal, calling them "fucking assholes" in front of other staff, berating one cabinet official in front of others and labeling anyone who disagrees with him "unpatriotic" or "anti-American."

"The mood here is that we're under siege, there's no doubt about it," says one troubled aide who admits he is looking for work elsewhere. "In this administration, you don't have to wear a turban or speak Farsi to be an enemy of the United States. All you have to do is disagree with the President." The White House did not respond
to requests for comment on the record.

Published by Capitol Hill Blue

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Chris Green
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 09:38 AM

He's not the f**king president! Hasn't anyone read "Stupid White Men"?!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Midchuck
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 10:42 AM

Bush is going to win re-election. I don't like it either. We have to live with it.

There are three reasons why:

1) The anti-war stance of so many Democrats in the Vietnam era has convinced a large part of the American public that the Democrats cannot be counted on to protect the county from external threats.

2) Fundamentalist religion is on the rise in this country, as more and more people find the universe too complicated and look for simpler answers. The Republicans are willing to pander to this trend, while the Democrats continue to support freedom of religion, which half the country equates with advocating Atheism and the burning down of churches.

3) By a heroic effort, the Democrats managed to scrape up a candidate who was not significantly more attractive than the incumbent.

Like I said, I don't like it either. But that's the way it is.

Peter.

Undermine their pompous authority. Reject their moral standards. Make anarchy and disorder your trademarks. Cause as much chaos and disruption as possible. But don't let them take you alive.

- attributed to Sid Vicious (on promo poster)

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:14 PM

Does anyone recall the news story about how one of the prisoners at that infamous prison was beaten to death, and anoth who was hanged from a door until he died?

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:59 PM

The stories of torture and murder from "that infamous prison" will only strengthen Bush`s hand, the US don`t mind as long as ttheir boys aren`t being killed, the evil empire in all it of it`s bloodthirsty glory.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 03:18 PM

Wow-wow-wow!!!


"A flip and a flop and now just a flop."
By Michael Moore
michaelmoore.com
Wednesday 22 September 2004
Dear Mr. Bush,
I am so confused. Where exactly do you stand on the issue of Iraq? You, your Dad, Rummy, Condi, Colin, and Wolfie -- you have all changed your minds so many times, I am out of breath just trying to keep up with you!
Which of these 10 positions that you, your family and your cabinet have taken over the years represents your current thinking:
1983-88: WE LOVE SADDAM.
On December 19, 1983, Donald Rumsfeld was sent by your dad and Mr. Reagan to go and have a friendly meeting with Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq. Rummy looked so happy in the picture. Just twelve days after this visit, Saddam gassed thousands of Iranian troops. Your dad and Rummy seemed pretty happy with the results because 'The Donald R.' went back to have another chummy hang-out with Saddam's right-hand man, Tariq Aziz, just four months later. All of this resulted in the U.S. providing credits and loans to Iraq that enabled Saddam to buy billions of dollars worth of weapons and chemical agents. The Washington Post reported that your dad and Reagan let it be known to their Arab allies that the Reagan/Bush administration wanted Iraq to win its war with Iran and anyone who helped Saddam accomplish this was a friend of ours.
1990: WE HATE SADDAM.
In 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait, your dad and his defense secretary, Dick Cheney, decided they didn't like Saddam anymore so they attacked Iraq and returned Kuwait to its rightful dictators.
1991: WE WANT SADDAM TO LIVE.
After the war, your dad and Cheney and Colin Powell told the Shiites to rise up against Saddam and we would support them. So they rose up. But then we changed our minds. When the Shiites rose up against Saddam, the Bush inner circle changed its mind and decided NOT to help the Shiites. Thus, they were massacred by Saddam.
I know you hate the words "flip" and "flop," so I won't use them both on you. In fact, I'll use just one: Flop. That is what you are. A huge, colossal flop. The war is a flop, your advisors and the "intelligence" they gave you is a flop, and now we are all a flop to the rest of the world. Flop. Flop. Flop.

And you have the audacity to criticize John Kerry with what you call the "many positions" he has taken on Iraq. By my count, he has taken only one: He believed you. That was his position. You told him and the rest of congress that Saddam had WMDs. So he -- and the vast majority of Americans, even those who didn't vote for you -- believed you. You see, Americans, like John Kerry, want to live in a country where they can believe their president."

More, Much more at http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092604Z.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 03:29 PM

Insults are too good for what this man deserves.

I want to know what will happen to him if and when he falls from power. Will he be brought to justice?

d

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 06:46 PM

Why would Americans want him for a second term?

Mostly because they're a bunch of ignoramuses who will greedily accept any line of bullshit put in puppet Dubya's mouth by Karl Rove & Grover Norquist & Bush's other handlers and propagandists, however outrageous or nonsensical.

Also they're scared shitless of being killed by terrorists, the statistical probability of which approaches negative numbers. They're several million times more likely to killed by a drunk driver, or by lightning.

Ignorance tain't bliss, folks- its just wilfull, inconquerable ignorance.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 07:59 PM

Hey, don't forget, MOST of us didn't vote for him!

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST,LDB
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 09:42 PM

OK, how about this:

George Bush is doing everything his intellectual abilities allow him to do.

Is that an insult?

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 09:57 PM

Midchuck is coorect in his assessment. Bush will finally win a presidential election AND for all of the reason's Midchuck presented plus, perhaps a few others, having the media in ones back pocket being a biggie...

Sorry...

And, Teresa. I am very much with you that I too am considerin' leaving the US until this facism blows itself out. (See my thread entitled "Boat Transporation to New Zealand") I am very serious.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 10:12 PM

Why should I insult President Al Gore?

As for GW Bush, he's merely an illegitimate poseur appointed by the Supreme Court.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:07 AM

"Respect the Man, Insult the Orfice"

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: Teresa
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:15 AM

I would have been in Canada a few years back, but my parents are getting more frail, so being with them now is important to me.

T

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 02:38 AM

Very amazing how arrogant and how self indugent you are all.
God forbid if someone has an arguement for Bush...you will dissmiss us all as some poor piss assed white trash jerks. Truth is..majority of the electoral college vote will go for Bush..that is known fact. I have a lot of problems with Bush but calling him stupid..ignornant and those who vote for him does not help at all..I doubt that if Kerry wins you would be his biggest supporter..and I hardly seem to see many Clinton fans here. Real world is this..no one cares about your piss poor feel sorry for me politics. Sorry..but true. You wine about WalMart..so shopping at Target is ok with you...You want to change the frickng world..but you just sit here and complain about it...Huge folk fan here..huge fan of a lot of music...one thing that is constant is music...arts...and all to divert us from the bs of politics. Trust me..Walmart is not that bad..if you want a real targert ..then target Lockheed,Motorla,Boeing,etc.
Yes..I do work for WalMart..will be honest..and right or wrong what we do..and I am open for intellgent talk about it...all the other stores do same thing also...hiring ppl min wage...makiing them work weekends...
Peace to all

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: kendall
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:37 AM

Oh nameless "Associate" of Wal-Mart, you may well be the only one of their slaves that like that prison.

George W. Bush is a lying phony coward. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: freda underhill
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 10:52 AM

The comedian, an officer and a joke that misfired; By Frank Walker
September 26, 2004; The Sun-Herald

Australian comedian George Smilovici has been reprimanded for a joke that upset a senior American military officer during a concert tour of the Middle East. Smilovici said he was shocked to receive a letter after his performances in Oman and Kuwait telling him to back off certain topics. Smilovici and his Australian military minder would not repeat the joke that upset the US allies. They put it down to differing senses of humour.

But Smilovici did admit to telling some John Howard and George Bush jokes, but said these weren't the jokes that upset the upper echelons of the allied military ranks earlier in the tour. "I said John Howard was like Mr Sheen 'cleaning up'. I also did some benign jokes about President Bush, suggesting Mike Moore was his publicity agent." Speaking yesterday from Baghdad after performing for 2000 Australian, American and British troops, Smilovici said it had been made clear there were "certain sensitivities" about the types of jokes he could tell. Some topics were "off limits".

It was after one of his earlier concerts in Oman and Kuwait that he got a "little letter" advising him to avoid sensitive issues. "I found it ironic as I have been a schoolteacher and lectured in universities on political correctness, and to get this letter was a total and utter shock," Smilovici said. "But it doesn't reflect what the audience felt, and I have a tape of the show to prove it. They were rolling on the floor with laughter."

Smilovici felt he couldn't go into the details of the complaint while he was still on the tour, but did say the letter "mentioned that there were sensitivities here and I had to live up to that in the performance". "I didn't really understand the letter and what it was getting at," he said. "True comedy comes out of real situations and really biting humour comes out of tragedy. There is a lot of tragedy here and they are just busting to let go."

He said he steered clear of jokes that might be seen as opposing the Iraq war as Americans were proud and patriotic, but did tell a few Saddam jokes that went down well. "People on the ground in Iraq are doing a tough job and good luck to them." The Australian military spokesman for the concert tour, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Barnes, said Smilovici had made a "joke that didn't translate too well".

"A lot of troops feel every day is like groundhog day and don't see an end in sight to the routine, and this really broke it up for them," Bessie Bardot (one of the performers) said. Navy Chief Petty Officer Phil Robertson, 38, of Canberra, said the concert was a breath of fresh air after three months in Baghdad. "We need a few laughs here as not an awful lot of funny things happen in Baghdad," he said.

The entertainers will perform on HMAS Adelaide in the Persian Gulf before returning to Australia.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 11:31 PM

A Message From God

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: jack halyard
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 07:00 AM

Any bloke who insists that the problem with the french is that they don't have a word for "Entrepreneur" doesn't need insulting. He's doing a perfectly good job without our help.
                               Jack Halyard.

Subject: RE: BS: Stop insulting the American President.
From: kendall
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 07:03 AM

God removed it