Subject: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:41 AM Heard while scanning radio stations so not sure where... lovely Celtic tune; basic story is a lovely young woman lives in the country, a rich guy rides in to wed (not woo) her, and her father wants the marriage though the woman does not; she and her true love drown themselves, and her father goes mad and continues to believe the marriage will take place. The chorus ran:
Step it out, Mary, if you can Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter Show your legs to the country man (I think - not too sure on that last line) I also remember one verse when she refuses the country man:
You will do as you are told You will marry on this Sunday (or something like that) You will wear the ring of gold Thanks in advance... |
Subject: ADD Version: STEP IT OUT MARY From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:52 AM STEP IT OUT MARY In the village of Kildory lived a maiden young and fair, She had eyes as bright as diamonds, she had long and golden hair. A country man came riding to her father's cottage gate, He came on a milk white stallion, he came at the stroke of eight. Sir I come to court your daughter, Mary of the golden hair, I have gold and I have silver, I have wealth beyond compare. I will buy her silks and satins and a gold ring for her hand, I will build for her a mansion, she'll have servants to command. But kind sir I love a soldier, I have promised him my hand, I don't want your gold and silver I don't want your house and land. Then up spoke her father sharply, you will do as you are told, You will take the rich man's offer, you will wear the ring of gold. In the village of Kildory there's a deep stream running by, They found Mary there at midnight, she was drowned with her soldier boy. From the curragh there came laughter, you could hear her father say, Step it out Mary my fine daughter, Sunday is your wedding day. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:53 AM Written by Sean McCarthy btw. Cheers DtG |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST,Keith A Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:59 AM And in DT under "Step It Out Mary" Damn! I assumed you had looked! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 09:10 AM I had looked! I tried step it out as a phrase and my fine daughter as a phrase and got no results in the trad or the forum! Also, this version as above is missing some verses. I will check the trad though next... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: s&r Date: 18 Oct 04 - 09:12 AM Just being picky; it's Kilgory (in Clare I think). The chorus is a children's skipping rhyme I believe that inspired Sean McCarthy to write it. A lot of versions (sadly) have Kildare, presumably because of the internal rhyme with Kildare. Stu |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 09:15 AM thanks all. Another question: most of the Willie Moore-type songs where the woman drowns herself over not being allowed to marry as she wills end at her death and the sorrow of her parents... are there any others where the parents deny their child's death as in this one? It was that rather macabre touch that made me like the song so much... |
Subject: Lyr Add: STEP IT OUT MARY (Sean McCarthy)^^^ From: s&r Date: 18 Oct 04 - 10:00 AM This is from the horse's mouth Stu
Step It Out Mary |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 02:09 PM Hmmm - thanks, but the version where they die at midnight of the day the offer was made makes more sense than waiting till the wedding day at midnight, when she presumably is already married and, likely, bedded! Interesting about the cocked leg game, though. Question about reactions to dead daughters remains, perhaps another thread? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Oct 04 - 04:50 PM The Arbutus Tree (Paddy Graber) has her changing form into the tree when her father tries to wed her to a king she doesn't love. The song is here: http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=320 but the credit is wrong. It says "traditional" and "grater," but it should be "Graber." There are corrections to the song in the DT posted by Stewart. A version of this is on Paddy's newest CD The Craic Was Great. And there's a little more discussion here. SRS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 04:54 PM That's a good one, SRS. I am reminded of the old Hungarian folk tale that starts off being like the red rose and the briar, tying the true lovers' knot, then the Mom (if the woman/red rose) comes and tears the plants down, they regrow, and Mom burns them, and they don't regrow, end of story. Never understood why they died in the first place in that song, though... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Janie Date: 18 Oct 04 - 06:09 PM Robin & Linda Williams do a song that must be derivative "Step It Out Nancy" that some common lyrics with this one. (In the forwhatitsworth department.) Janie |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: YorkshireYankee Date: 18 Oct 04 - 10:50 PM It's in the DT – a "cowboy" version that has Nancy taking matters into her own hands by getting rid of the wealthy suitor... I've heard it performed with an additional verse on the end – which warns against treating women as chattel; did a Google search for it but couldn't find it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:16 AM ARBUTUS - just an old folk song... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST,MARY Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM IKEEP GETTING THIS SONG FROM A FEW PEOPLE BUT ITS NOT THE ONE I'M LOOKING FOR THE SONG WAS AN OLD IRISH DITTY ME DAD SANG HE HAS ALZHEIMERS AND CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORDS ANYMORE I ONLY KNOW A FEW LINES AS FOLLOWS SHE HAD A PAIR OF COTTON STOCKINGS ON HER HAIR TIED UP WITH A RIBBON ON I'M GOING TO MARRY THAT LITTLE IRISH GIRL HE WOULD FINISH IT WITH KNEES UP MARY MY FINE DAUGHTER KNEES UP MARY IF YOU CAN KNEES UP MARY MY FINE DAUGHTER AND SHOE YOUR LEGS TO AN IRISHMAN. HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME BUT IT IS NOT STEP UOT MARY THANKS Click here for previous discussion of this request. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Peace Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:11 PM Mary, I see you have been looking for this song a long time now. Would it be possible for you to ask your dad for any other words he recalls? We are trying to help, and we are also aware that it is frustrating. However, the more you can tell us the more we have to go on. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Peace Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM What are some Irish spellings of 'Mary'? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Bard Judith Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:06 PM Máire - (MAW-zhe, MAW-re or MEH-ree) "bitter"; Irish= Mary. The name was considered too sacred to name a child and was not used before the 17th C. Children were given 'Mael Muire' "devotee of Mary." Alt: Moira, Maura, Maurya, Mairin (maw-REEN). Also Mhair / Mhairi / Mari ? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:42 PM Since Step it out Mary is a modern song written by Sean McCarthy (see thread Step It Out, Mary), Irish approaches to the spelling of the name (now or in the past) would seem irrelevant. McCarthy said specifically that he based the chorus on a children's skipping song: Step it out Mary, my fine daughter Step it out Mary, if you can Step it out Mary, my fine daughter Cock your legs for the country man. Probably our correspondent Mary's father had just tacked a form of that onto the end of another song that he only knew in part; that sort of thing happens all the time. The thing to be looking at would be "I'm going to marry that little Irish girl", I'd guess. I'd expect that to be a music hall or vaudeville piece, likely American, but perhaps we'll get better information soon. Probably the discussion would be best kept in the one thread rather than spread over several; and, with the best will in the world, it would be considerate to type in the normal way rather that all in UPPER CASE, which is hard on the eye and has a tendency to annoy people. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Matthew Edwards Date: 05 Oct 05 - 07:53 AM Doing a google search for "pretty little Irish girl" took me to some very odd sites, but if it didn't turn up the song Mary is looking for it did suggest some possible leads. There was a 1926 Daryl F Zanuck silent movie called 'The Little Irish Girl' starring Dolores Costello in the title role luring the innocent John Harron into a gambling den. Could this be based on an earlier Broadway show? Or there is a song composed by Hermann Lohr and Edward Teschemacher in 1903 which Rufus Wainwright apparently sings. The Little Irish Girl (Duet) This version is set up for two voices. Each verse has four lines, but due to the two different parts, it may not look that way on paper. M) As I went out one evening to Tipperary town, M) I met a little colleen a-moung the heather brown. M) Oh, says I perhaps you're lonely, she tossed her pretty curl. F) Well maybe I prefer it! M) Och, the dear little girl. M) Says I, perhaps you're married? F) Says I, perhaps I'm not! M) Says I, I'll be your gossoon, F) Says I, I'll not be caught! M) Oh, your eyes are like the ocean, and your heart is like a pearl. F) 'Tis true, then I will keep it! M) Och, the dear little girl. M) Says I, I've got a cabin and pigs that number seven, M) And oh, with you ma-yourneen sure, the place would be like heaven. F) Oh, I looked into his eyes then, my heart was in a whirl! M) The little pigs had done it! Och, the dear little girl! F) The little pigs had done it! There's another song [or tune?] "I'm going to marry that pretty little girl" recorded by the Sweet Brothers which appears on County records LP 535 'Round the Heart of Old Galax Vol.3 - recordings 1924-37'. Ruby Murray recorded a song called 'A Pretty Irish Girl' but I can't find the words to it. To be honest Malcolm's reminder that the chorus of 'Step it out, Mary' comes from an Irish skipping rhyme has made me wonder whether the rest is related in some way to the children's game song 'Pretty Little Girl of Mine' although the words which Mary's father remembers are quite distinctive. One factor that might help in tracking down this extremely elusive song is knowing whereabouts in his youth that Mary's father might have heard it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Peace Date: 05 Oct 05 - 07:22 PM Any chance that two songs have been conflated by Mary's father? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Oct 05 - 12:33 AM The [Wild] Irish Rovers did a version of Step it out Mary in 1972 that was very popular. Here's a page from a diskography of their work. A search, not exhaustive, but through my quota of popups and non-releasing pages yields no samples of this song to listen to. But as popular as it was back then, the version may have stuck with someone who is losing more recent memories now. SRS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 03 Apr 13 - 10:57 PM A few posts up, and many years ago, Yorkshire Yankee wrote, "I've heard it performed with an additional verse on the end – which warns against treating women as chattel; did a Google search for it but couldn't find it." The extra verse was written (or maybe co-written) by Holly Near. A websearch will turn up recordings by her, but not the written lyrics --- on her website, she cites copyright restrictions (she posts the lyrics of songs she wrote herself, but not this song where she just added one verse onto the work of someone else). The extra verse does appear in Rise Up Singing. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST Date: 08 Sep 18 - 06:17 AM Show your legs to the country man... what does this mean? |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST,Observer Date: 08 Sep 18 - 06:52 AM Show your legs to the country man Would show to the prospective groom that the maiden's legs were straight, not bowed, which could indicate Rickets. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Michael Date: 08 Sep 18 - 07:21 AM Or may be just to titillate a potential son in law ? Mike |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Thompson Date: 08 Sep 18 - 07:46 AM "Show your legs to the countryman" - normally the legs would be modestly hidden; her father suggests that she should flaunt her beauty rather indecently. Any song (in relation to the other query) that refers to a "little Irish girl" is more likely to be foreign - probably American, possibly English - rather than Irish. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 08 Sep 18 - 01:02 PM Nothing wrong with adding a verse to a composed song as long as you admit when questioned, your honour... done it many a time. Re Thompson post- the song may have US/UK influences but the popular version was certainly put together by Sean McCarthy- he told me so at his excellent folk club near Clapham Junction- I remember one lovely night there with Jo Ann Kelly as the guest, about 1965? |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Thompson Date: 08 Sep 18 - 02:37 PM I was talking about Guest Mary's post above, with the line I'M GOING TO MARRY THAT LITTLE IRISH GIRL. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Sep 18 - 04:30 PM The version in the Rise Up Singing songbook is Step It Out, Nancy, a 1979 rewrite of "Step It Out, Mary" by Robin M. Williams and Jerome Clark. The additional Holly Near verse at the end is this:
But that women must not be bought and sold, neither then nor nowadays We will choose our lovers, we'll live out our own lives We'll love whom we please with a passion and a sparkle in our eyes. Holly Near: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lKY6jeiDo (may not play outside the U.S.) Robin & Linda Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdmUqb6Ojc The High Kings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmLAxbjsNb0 |
Subject: RE: Origins: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter From: Reinhard Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:42 AM The Norfolk Broads sang Step It Out Mary set in Norfolk (Castle Rising, Downham Market) but with the Williams/Clark story ending, on their 2017 CD In the Valley of the Flowers: In the town of Castle Rising there's a maiden fine and fair, Her eyes they shone like diamonds, she had long and golden hair. Then a country man came riding, he came to her father's door, Mounted on a milk white pony, he came at the stroke of four. Chorus (after each verse): Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter Step it out, Mary, if you can Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter Cock your leg for the country man I have come to court your daughter, Mary of the golden hair, I've gold and I have silver, I have lands beyond compare. I will buy her silks and satins and a gold ring for her hand, I will build for her a mansion, she'll have servants to command. Can't you see I love another, I have promised him my hand, I don't want your gold nor silver, I don't want your house nor land. Then up spoke her father sharply, you shall do as I command! And you'll send the young man hither with a rifle in his hand. He came back from Downham Market, on his pony was a sack, And the body of her lover it was slung across the back. In the town of Castle Rising you can her her father say, Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter, Sunday is your wedding day. Then poor Mary cried in anguish, she wept loud and tore her hair; Slipped into her father's chamber, found a pistol lying there. On the Sunday came the wedding, all the town's folk gathered by; They saw Mary pulled the trigger for the country man must die. Mary said, I am not sorry, when the jury heard her tale, Though he rots beneath she soil and now I shall rot in gaol. There inside the crowded courtroom, twelve good people took their stand, Said, we will not hold you, Mary, for the killing of a country man. |
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