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Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs

GUEST,12STRING STAN 20 Oct 04 - 02:00 PM
GUEST,Toenails John 20 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 20 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM
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InOBU 20 Oct 04 - 06:57 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,12STRING STAN
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:00 PM

Hello people. this is my first post. I often visit but seldom inquire. (very shy really!)

around my home town we have recently been relieved of a rather large settlement of travelers (Knackers to me!) But forthcoming local gigs urge me to sing a few humourus songs about them but i don't know any other than one recorded by Mr Shite O'Mighty, sorry Richie Kavanagh, The travelin man, Would you buy a bit of carpet if i gave it to ya cheap.......

Anyone out there with any other suggestions????


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,Toenails John
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM

This is a great one that i couldn't see on a quick scout of the DT. Sung as a parody of, you chose a fine time to leave me lucile. I only know of it recorded by Seamus Moore

In a pub in tullawadgin,
At a party for Padgin
The craic it was mighty one night
Guitars they were clangin'
Pool balls were bangin
And the Knackers were roarin' for fight
And when the drink finally hit 'em
Says Padgin "LETS GET 'EM"
And he made a mad rush 'cross the floor
Chairs started flyin', the old ones were cryin
Then there came a loud knock to the door.

It was the Garda Siochana outside
4 big red faces, hobnails and braces
And the knackers still roarin for fight
Ah the craic it was mighty that night

Down at the station,
would bring tears to our nation
To look at the cut of the boys
There was poor padgin,
The boys from Tullawadgin
And the knackers, who were all tellin lies
At 4 in the morning,
The sergant was yawning
when the last statement was read
And with two bleary eyes
After hearin such lies
He raised a big fist and he said

Go home now, get out of my sight
You're driving me crackers
Your nothing but knackers
And Padgin, you'll pay for this night
Ah the craic it was mighty that night

Now down in the courtroom
The next tuesday morning,
The courtroom was packed back to back
There was poor Padgin,
The boys from tullawadgin
And the knackers who started the craic
They were each fined a fiver
By the Judge called McGyver
And he scratched his bald head tryin to think,
It'd bring tears to a snowman
When he said "you can go man"
And he sees them stampede for more drink

Down in the pub around ten
There was poor padgin,
The boys from Tullawadgin
And the knackers were at it again!
In Tullawadgin sure the craic never ends


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM

On the other hand, you could try singing the travellers' own funny songs - and other songs that they have played a huge part in preserving!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 06:42 PM

From the title I assumed that songs from the traveller tradition were wanted. Having read the OP I think the racist bastard can fuck off and die.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 06:57 PM

Knackers to you, well, your just another country folk bigot to me. Without Travellers to keep your taditions alive where the hell would you be?
Roma opre
Larry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 08:19 PM

Why don't you give us the words/tune

"Would you buy a bit of carpet if I gave it to ya cheap"

and I'll decide for myself whether I think you are genuine or just racist?

And Martin Ryan, cough up some of these funny songs of theirs you mention too please?


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Subject: Lyr Add: MOVING ON SONG and BLUE TAR ROAD
From: Fergie
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:23 PM

I am strongly of the opinion that racism and bigotry should be opposed everywhere it is met, I am also of the opinion that racism and bigotry has its roots in misconception, ignorance, insecurity and fear. Here are three songs concerning travellers the first two are not funny songs but might be instrumental in education non-travellers to the harsh reality of life for the majority of travellers. The third song may be the "funny" song that 12string stan seeks

MOVING ON SONG
(Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger)

Born in the middle of an afternoon
In a horse-drawn wagon on the old A5
The big twelve wheeler shook my bed
You can't stop here the policeman said
You better get born someplace else

So move along, get along, move along, get along,
Go, move, shift

Born in the tatie lifting time
In an old bow tent in a tatie field
The farmer said, The work's all done
It's time that you were moving on

Born in a wagon on a building site
Where the ground was rutted by the trailer's wheels
The local people said to me,
You'll lower the price of property

Born at the back of a blackthorn hedge
When the white hoarfrost lay all around
No wise men came bearing gifts
Instead the order came to shift

The winter sky was hung with stars
And one shone brighter than the rest
The wise men came so stern and strict
And brought the order to evict

Wagon, tent, or trailer born
Last week, last year, or in far off days
Born here or a thousand miles away
There's always men nearby who'll say

or this one

THE BLUE TAR ROAD (Liam Weldon)

1
I am a true-born Irishman, a traveller am I,
My home the road, no fixed abode, I must travel till I die.
For few men give me camping space, aye and fewer call me friend.
The hard road for the travelling man, I must travel till the end.


Refrain
Hunger, hardship and poverty are the traveller's weary load,
Hunger, hardship and poverty and the blue tar road.


2
I came to Dublin city fair, in the year of fifty nine,
And I camped in Landsdowne's green valley , with others of my kind,
But Dublin's Corporation, good Christians to a man,
Broke down our camps uprooted us, dragged out our caravan(s). (1)


3
Out here in Cherry Orchard, no cherry blossoms bloom. (2)
We're forgotten and unwanted, in dirt and muck and gloom.
But the man above who died for love ah (3) nailed unto a tree,
Sure wasn't he a traveller the same as you and me.
And please God in his own good time, He'll lift the traveller's load,
And we'll bid farewell to poverty and the blue tar road.


Notes :
1. Landsdowne Valley, Dublin
2. Cherry Orchard, Ballyfermot, Dublin.

SMUGGLING THE TIN

Young Cooney (?) and Colley (?) and ould Martin Quinn, (1)
Well they made up together to smuggle the tin,


Refrain :
With me right toorin-arinan, right toorin-arinan,
Right toorin-anay.


2
Well they walked all the day boys till the heels they grew raw,
Well they hadn't the comfort of lying in the straw.


3
"I'll yoke her", says Colley (?) "I'm wise to her tricks." (2)
But the more that he yoked her, the more the mare kicked.


4
"The hills they are high boys, th'oul' mare she is thin,
And my heart lies a-trembling for fear she'll give in."


5
"I once had a pie-ball all covered in dots,
And it's many's the fiver she's won in the trots."


6
Up came th'oul' sergeant with a laugh and a grin,
"I'll have ye inside boys for the smuggling of tin."


7
Up came th'oul' sergeant with a laugh and a smile,
"I'll have ye inside boys for smuggling a while."


8
Young Cooney (?) stood up boys to make the excuse, (1)
"If you l(e)ave us all go sir, it's home we will scoot."
9
We crossed back the border, we blessed our ould face. (3)
"To hell with the black North, we're in the Free-State."
Notes :
1. Cooney (surname) and Colley ?
2. The word "wide" in Dublin slang means "aware" , "wise".
3. faith (?)

Fergie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:05 PM

Nyees tuka, Fergie. Larry


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE NEW SAINT
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:10 PM

Here is one of mine, about another people racialized as "Gypsy"... Words Lorcan Otway, Tune traditional (Oh who will plow the fields now, and who will reap the corn, since Johnny lovely Johnny now plows the fields of Spain)...
Cheers, Lorcan "Larry" Otway


THE NEW SAINT

Oh tell me Father Michael, What's that I heard you say
That the church for all its past neglect, named a Gypsy saint today.
Tell me all the details, I'd really like to know
For its been more than a little time, since to our church I'd go.

Tell me what his deeds were, and how he came to die.
Was he murdered by the Gadje, while in exile forced to fly
Or hanged by James of Scotland, when Faa was sent away
Or killed by a Polish peasant mob on some lonely cold byway

Did he die with the resistance, in that cold Vichy midnight
While bringing food and weapons to carry on the fight
Or aiding Jews and exiles to escape the Nazi scourge
Or killed by a Nazi death squad bent on their racist purge

Did he die in Auschwitz death camp, when Ziguenier Nacht took place
On that day that tens of thousand Rom, were murdered for their race
Or in in the Czech Republic, thrown from a bridge to die,
Oh tell me Father Michael, was that the reason why?

I can't believe what you're telling me, about the way he died
Defending a Fascist priest, defending Franco's side.
If that's the side that God was on, forgive me if I say
It will be a cold day in Hell before with you I'll pray.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: muppitz
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:05 AM

This is all getting a little heavy!

And unfortunately, it depends what kind of "Travellers", we are talking about.
Actual Travellers, are a joy and their traditions should be preserved, however there are growing numbers of people who call themselves travellers, but are in fact a pain in the backside.
I used to work in a large clothing store and there was a gypsy caravan site just down the road, unfortunately, exclusively containing the latter group of travellers I was talking about, they would come into the store with their kids who would run roit around the place, knocking things over and throwing coat hangers at each other and the parents would make every attempt to steal stuff while this was happening.
They would also bring things back that they had clearly bought months ago as they were ragged and broken in some way, claiming that they has bought them last week and were faulty, they had no idea how to read or write, had no identification to sign up for store cards even though they all possesed cars (Presumably without a License, tax or insurance) to tow their caravans and were generally rude to the staff, would swear at us and even threaten us with violence. I personally have suffered at the hand of one of these so called travellers when I refused to give a refund for an item of clothing we had not had in the store for 3 months, which she claimed she had bought last week and had 'fallen apart' in the wash, I got a slap round the face for my refusal.
A couple of months ago, at Bestwood Country Park, travellers broke a gate to get on the field and a weekend arts festival had to be cancelled because they left the field in such a state, the council couldn't clean up in time.
So while I agree that we should preserve the rights and traditions of those people who rightly call themselves travellers, there are those who DESERVE to have songs sung about them.

To the GUEST who stated that 12STRING STAN should F*** of and die, maybe you should take the time to find out the nature of the 'Travellers' he is talking about, or maybe consider extending your vocabulary to something more intelligent.
If you can't be bothered, maybe you should give some thought to carrying out your own instruction.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: MartinRyan
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:09 AM

Fergie

That's one I was thinking of, of course.

See you this weekend - travelling!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:26 AM

Dear Muppitz:
It is heavy. You are born to your rights, you don't earn or deserve them. Certainly, if settled folk got the rights they deserve from having captured the earth from nomadic folks (as all once were), then you'd have no rights at all. When treated with the dignity which flows from equality folks behave well.
All the best
Larry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:40 AM

Dear Muppitz:
A quick after thought about nomadic people and mess. Time and again I have seen that once a small degree of autonomy Traveller halting sites are clean and well kept. In Ireland, I have seen that given a degree of ownership, (and bins which are picked up, rather than left...) those halting sites are pristeen. On the other hand, halting sites with no personal space, and no collection of trash bins, become disorderly. I have seen the same occurance in American origional nation's land, whereas I have never seen a poorly kept American Irish Traveller site, and I have been to many many such sites, as the relationship between the Travellers and communities where their base camps (rather than halting sites) are different than they are in the UK and Ireland. However, this is not to say there are not problems for the American Irish Travellers in the US. As with the condition of Romanichals, and Romany people in general, they are racialized by the police as permanent suspects, in spite of the low crime rate (looking at statistics based on community size of one to two million Romany people in the USA) as opposed to the anecdotal evidence used against them.
Trust takes time. My advise is to put a committee together in your neighborhood to address inter community relations with Travellers, then approach the Irish Traveller Movement. I am not sure of the English address, but they are located in Dublin on Ustace St. Ask how you can accomodate Travellers, how you can partner to provide services and I expect that the relationship between your two communities will change radically over time. Remember, you have a lot of history to overcome.
Cheers and best of luck,
Larry
PS If you are serrious about changing the relationship between your community and Travellers or Romany people, email me at InOBU@aol.com and title the email in a spesific manner to cut through the spam I get....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,12STRING STAN
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:49 PM

People People settle please.

I have no personal grudge or gripe with the travelling community. I believe their traditions and ways of life are something for preservation, and reflecting on my opening statement, this was not clearly obvious, however, here is my point.

We have, for the past 8 weeks been host to a large settlement of travellers, whom in their short stay, ripped up garden fences, vandalised local property, brought disrepute to any pubs into wich they were let, intimadated residents, filled and left their unofficial campsite with rubbish, complete with burnt out cars and christ knows what else for the local council to clean up.

To see such a settlement moved on is a BIG relif for the local residents, and it is this that incited me to start this thread with a view to having a lighthearted laugh now they have gone

My summary therefore is this:
The older traveler generation were a race to welcome, respect and admire, for their stories, songs, art and crafts bought much vibrancy to communities in a bygone era, but todays generation seem to forget this (admitedly not all of them) And think the world and everything in it is theirs for whatever purpose, and sod everbody else.

And to our "anon GUEST" above if you can't agree with me, you may kndly go F**K OFF yourself, go crawl under a stone and die where you may remember what your name, real or supposeatary is. If you do agree, all well and good,lets all be friends!, I'm just replying to you as you replied to me

Will root out travelin man (R Kavanagh) Lyrics and post em


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 08:35 AM

Stan, shem,
Please think about my invitation to do something pro-active to make things work better by direct outreach through the Traveller community through the ITM, I'd be happy to make introductions if I can.
As to "settle" ... oh I'll skip the joke, everyone will take it serriously.
Cheers
Larry
PS Do feel free to take this into a less public forum by emailing me directly at InOBU@aol.com.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:37 PM

Lorcan, I usually agree with you, but on this one I think you are out of line. I don't really see that the requester has a prob with the Rom/Travellers.....but I really did think that a firestorm would start. And around here, we DO provide what you are asking and still get the mess. NO, I am NOT against the Rom.....or their lifestyle, just some of their habits.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE TRAVELIN' MAN (Richie Kavanagh)
From: GUEST,12 STRING STAN
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 01:07 PM

To open this post I will state the following: I do not particularly consider Richie kavanagh a serious singer/writer, but he has a few catchy numbers one of wich is below, possibly unknown in UK and states, but is along Seamus Moore (JCB man) lines for anyone who may know him.
Richie hails from Co. Carlow in Ireland, and made his name with a song playing on the gaelic langauge (aon Focal eile) wich was an instant hit with kids and hit the charts, Something to do with shouting Focal no doubt!! He then degraded into cheap play on words such as the chicken said buck aw, (sounds like F**k off) and my girlfriend has a pussy. I'll say no more

This here is an earlyish number of his, wich is along the lines of what i was originally looking for wich i might add is written in carlow dialect, explaining the few odd words

THE TRAVELIN' MAN (Richie Kavanagh)

Chourus
Oh I am a little travelin' man
Some people calls me tinker Dan
I have a great big HiAce van
And I buy and sell all that i can
*Would you buy a bit o carpet if i gave to ya cheap
Would ya buy a radio, Do you want an ol tape
Sure I never codded no one no time in my life*
(repeat * to * again)

I was reared in a horse drawn Van
Me Father was a cute little man
We used to travel near and far
With a pie bald ass and our little car

CHOURUS

The places we used to camp and stay
Are all filled in with stones and clay
We're told stay, go, no, keep away
Sure we cant keep going till our dyin' day

CHOURUS

Me Brother Mickey he's the one
If you want a bit of tarmacadam done
Not coddin ya now he'll do a good job
And He'll only charge ya a couple of bob

CHOURUS

Me father taught me how to buy and sell (pause)
Not coddin' ya now I'm doin quare well (pause)
I've paid for me home and me HiAce van (pause)
AND I'M PROUD TO BE CALLED A TRAVELIN MAN

CHOURUS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,Mariner
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 11:33 AM

What Carlow dialect? What odd words?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 10:36 PM

Martin Ryan, I am just writing to thank you for the music you provided in a link last year for "You're a Sap, Mr. Jap".

I picked this thread bcs it was the most recent I saw that had your name.

I work at at Senior Center and one of my folks needed this music in preparation for an upcoming Veteran's Day program we are doing involving those Seniors who were in WWII and the music which was popular during that time. I was about to give up when I found the music you had provided.

Thanks again. (Sorry to interrupt an unrelated thread.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 03:33 AM

GUEST

You're welcome!


Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,selina
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM

well i am a traveller and i read all you rasist basterds letters and if you don't like us then you know wot to do kiss travellers arss


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: GUEST,selina
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:18 PM

and i like richie kavanagh song i am a little travelling man song and if we don't find it rasist then thats alright


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Funny traveller songs
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:35 AM

Hello selina!
I hope you consider joining Mudcat, if you do you can get email off the posts ... so I can introduce you to some of the other Travellers and Romanies who hang out around here, some of whom stay annonimous...
Baxt hai sastimos
Lorcan


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