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Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)

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GUEST,Art Thieme 06 Aug 05 - 10:41 AM
GUEST,Norm "MadDawg" Siegel 26 Mar 06 - 11:00 AM
GUEST,Art Thieme 26 Mar 06 - 12:01 PM
GUEST,Frank Hamilton 26 Mar 06 - 03:44 PM
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wordfella 29 Mar 06 - 10:21 AM
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GUEST,Frank Hamilton 29 Mar 06 - 03:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:41 AM

I am truly amazed that, even in these later inflated times, that banjo costs that much. There was a time that you couldn't give them away to many of us in Chicago. We saw them as way-too-heavy and unwieldy -- unbalanced and laughable aberations that were in a league with fiberglass body guitars like the Ovation, and certain plastic molded in one piece instruments.

That said, the ovation is highly regarded now as a very balanced instrument--bass to treble--for recording as I've been told.

I remember a joke going around: One guy says, "I just got a set of strings for my Merlin banjo." His friend says, "Good trade!!"

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Norm "MadDawg" Siegel
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 11:00 AM

Oh My God! What a thread! I have been in touch with Art but where has Guy been? Someone said he passed away. Well, have ya? write me at uncledizzy55@comcast.net if you see this! uncledizzy55@comcast.net


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:01 PM

Norm, seems you're searchin Mudcat and finding stuff that hits "home". (Sweet Home Chicago)---Just know this place can be addictive!

This is an old thread and Guy Guilbert probably won't be in here now. I have an e-mail address for him if you'd like. He's in S. California now. Same curmudgeonly gent he always was, but now he's an old curmudgeon... Folks tell me to write a book---but the book is right here at Mudcat in my many posts! I'm only motivated to write when folks ask in a thread for info about times I was a part of.

Ild friend, have fun! I know ya will.

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 03:44 PM

Thanks Art and Guy for bringing back memories of The Gate of Horn and the early Chi folkscene.

Bob Gibson is the reason I came to Chicago. I stayed at his apartment on (can't remember but think it was on Wells Street). He and I were a duo at the old Gate of Horn and I was playing 12 string guitar. Jo Mapes joined us later. We were Gibson and Hamilton. Al Grossman discovered Bob Camp in the Village and put him together with Gibson. Al was a prescient marketer.

The Dearborn and Chicago location of the old Gate was quite a place.
I worked for Alan Ribback (later to become Moses Moon in the Bay area) as house musician for the Gate. I accompanied many acts such as Bud and Travis, The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, Brother John Sellers, Martha Schlamme, Bob Gibson, Alan Mills and the phenomenal fiddler, "Ti Jean" Carignan, Shoshanna Damari and Barbara Dane. One night we had a jam session with Peggy Seeger and Big Bill Broonzy.
We worked with bassists Herb Brown, Spike Lee's father, Bill Lee and the be bop legend, (can't remember his name but he used to hit on us for pennies to support his habit.) It was dope city in those days jazz guys and the folkies all were into it. Even the gangsters showed up to dig Bud and Travis.

Gibson started the Sunday afternoon "hoots" at the old Gate. The entire Chicago music folk community showed up at one time or another.

Osborne Smith, Bob Atcher, Ella Jenkins, and maybe Fleming Brown but that I can't verify. Guy, I believe you were there as well as "Spanky" MacFarland, Johnny Carbo and Ginny Clemens. it was quite a scene. Wonder what ever happened to Elaine MacFarland? I met her in California many years ago but lost track.

Gibson was an extraordinary entertainer who referred to himself as a "saloon singer".

Does anyone remember Mike Bloomfield's (blues guitarist) coffeehouse, The Fickle Pickle? Gibson used to come down to see me and two other guys on Monday nights. One time our trio played opposite Dick Gregory who did a guest shot there while he was being featured at Roberts Show Lounge.

The Gate of Horn was closed down when it moved to it's new quarters by noneother than Lenny Bruce. Down the street Lenny used to appear at the Trade Winds, a mafia-owned joint often in the nude. But at the Gate he aroused the ire of the cops and city fathers by appearing in a priest's outfit. Catholic Chicago couldn't take that. That shut down the joint. I saw Mortimer Adler of the Great Books Club slinking out of the final Lenny Bruce show. ( A little intellectual slummming pehaps?)

Re Merlin: I always thought that they had too many overtones. They were loud though. They loooked kinda' neat.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,NormMadDawgSiegel
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:31 PM

The "old times" are still quite addictive! This place is full fo the old time comraderie and THAT is addictive. However, it is people like you who keep the historoy going and make folks like me remember that we were also a part of that era.

As for the Fickle Pickle, I remember Joe Klee with a capo in his lapel and going down for an audition on Novemebr 24, 1963---even in the throws of mourning a dead president, the music went on! It's Here on Sheridan road, the Barbarosa, the YEllow unicorn, all the places we hung out at. The New Gate on State---saw Peter Paul and Mary there! Josh White, Theo Bikel and more. Holy Cow! The Way Out in Skokie, now a McDonalds!!!! That was where I first saw Bob Gibson live in 1964. And, of course, The Earl.

Many fond memories of many fine people that I am proud to say I know! Keep the thread going! By the way, I thought the Merlins were a leap in the right direction---unfortunately that direction wasn't the way most folks wanted to go!!!! Interesting concept!!!


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: wordfella
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:21 AM

Frank--

Elaine McFarland was part of a recast Mamas & Papas a few years ago, singing Cass's parts. There was at least one tour, I think.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: wordfella
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Correction: it was "McFarlane."


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: wordfella
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:38 AM

Frank

McFarlane email


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:40 PM

Thanks Wordfella. Sent her a post. It was Macfarlane.

Norm,

Joe Klee became a jazz critic. Saw some of his writing I think in the Mississippi Rag. I rememember him with uke and cigar.

Does anyone remember Bob Dorough? He was producer for Spanky and Our Gang for a while. Also Fred Kaz, Ira Sullivan and Joe Siegel?

BTW the bass player I couldn't remember was Wilbur Ware along with Herb Brown, and Bill Lee.

Anyone know whatever happened to Bruce Langhorne? Great guitar player with Odetta. Also, Sam Brown with Miriam MacKeba?

Frank


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Mark Clark
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 01:49 AM

Joe Klee, now there's a name I haven't heard for a long time. Joe and I both had appartments in the same crummy building at 1227 N. Dearborn. I think it's a parking lot now. Joe had been a writer on the Dave Garroway show.

Joe would write topical songs about anything. One time Joe and I and Herb Jones and maybe someone else played a gig at Medinah Temple for a campaign rally for the real Mayor Daley. At least one of the songs we did was some campaign song Joe had written.

I remember seeing Herb Brown at The Gate but it was the new Gate across from Mr. Kelly's.

I didn't realize that the Fickle Pickle was Mike Bloomfield's. I used to see Mike there and we'd both sit in the front row on Tuesday nights when Bob Koester was still running the blues jams. To see Big Joe Williams, Yank Rachell, Sunnyland Slim, Little Brother Montgomerey, Sleepy John Estes, et al., at the same time and up close was just an amazing experience. I saw Yank again just a year or so before he died. He still remembered those days.

Everyone was on "the street" in those days. One night Herb Jones and I were walking across Rush Street after a gig and ran into Josh White. Herb knew Josh and Josh had a protégé named Willie Wright who we knew and who sang in the local clubs. Another night we ran into a couple of the Clancy Brothers.

Those happy times are so far in so many ways from today, I often wonder how we got to where we are now.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:53 PM

More recollections!:

First, there are photos of Joe Klee in my folk photo collection.

http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html

Frank Hamilton and Mark Clark are there too.

I also remember walking down Rush Street and seeing Toni Knox walking Lenny Bruce to keep him from passing out and/or passing away 'cause he had, once again, overdosed himself. And it was Toni's sister, the beautiful (amazing, for her age) Sydni, who was waiting tables at the Gate Of Horn one of the the major nights Lenny was busted there. Ostensibly, it was S.K.s under-aged status that was the reason for the bust --- but it was a ploy to get Lenny, as Frank said, because of his church-based comedy shticks. It wasn't comedy so much as social commentary and philosophical treatises by Lenny. He talked about what if Jesus came back today and saw the princes of the church with huge diamonds on their fingers and the people of the parish starving in the gutters.

AND Guy Guilbert played bass for Josh White a ton of times around Chicago. He did that for Bob Gibson too. Up at my photo site there is an interesting, but not-too-good, photo of Bob and Guy on stage at Richard Harding's original Quiet Knight folk club on Wells Street---before he moved it to the upstairs place at the corner of Belmont and Sheffield. --- And Gibson was "dating" Brigid Baslin then. She was "The Blue Fairy" on a 1950s Chicago kids TV show. Her mother was Maggie Daley, who was well known for something-or-other in Chi-town, but I don't remember what it was. All of this was tied into the old Bateman School --- and Latin School too -- where Jim McGuinn was...

John Carbo the banjo player was manager of the OLD TOWN FOLKLORE CENTER---I was asst, manager there 1965-'66 & '67.

Of course, Frank Hamilton, along with Win Stracke, Dawn Greening and Gert Soltker, were the founders of the Old Town School Of Fake Music. (pun intended) Same Frank Hamilton who is in this good thread. He was also a member of the illustrious folk group THE WEAVERS!!

The Weavers were second only to the group I started with Patti Page, Rosemary Clooney and Elvis.

We were called "Presley, Page, Rosemary and THIEME!"--- (But ya had to be there!!)

At the photo site there is a nice shot of Frank Hamilton and Win Stracke on stage at the Chicago folk club called Holstein's.

Art THIEME


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art thieme
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 10:06 PM

Frank, Bruce Langhorn was playing second guitar on Dylan's original recording on Columbia of the song "Mr. Tambourine Man"

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Norm SIegel
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 06:45 PM

Professor Art---you have done it again! Presley, Page, Rosemary and Thieme, INDEED!!!! A classic Art Thieme groaner if I have ever heard one. Obviously, while your health my not be the great3est, your mind is sharp as ever!!! You must have been up for nights thinking that one up!!!

Love ya to pieces!!!

Norm

PS BTW, I did a stint on bass with Bob Gibson at the Belmont Quiet Knight in 1970. On one night, we had the Trib "gossip" columnists, John and Abra Anderson in the audience. They had a Penthouse Apartment on top of the Drake hotel, and they always looked "Mahvelous", even in jeans and sneakers. Bob recognized them from the stage and made them take a bow! I leaned over to Bob and said: "Even in jeans and sneakers, they STILL looked like they just stepped off of a wedding cake!" It was one of the few times I saw Bob break up uncontrolably during a performance!


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,William Malloy
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 03:56 PM

Anyone,

If you know Guy Guilbert's e-mail address please forward. I'm Bill Malloy from New Wine Singers and long ago part owner of the Merlin Banjo Co.

Enjoyed reading the past.

wmalloy@adelphia.net


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:37 AM

Norm,

I sent it to Bill already.

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: banjo Mick
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:23 AM

Coolhand Tom,

Just came across your comments about Luke Kelly and his merlin banjo,he taught me to play on that very instrument.
Was never able to get one for myself.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,patbanjo
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM

Hi to Coolhand Tom and banjoMick,
I think I know you Mick.
Well I picked up a long neck Merlin recently and had to do some work on it, but my main reason is for authenticity sake. I did meet Luke in 1981 and played his Vega Pete Seeger at that stage. Great privelage.
   Does anyone have an idea where I good get a sliding 5th string capo or maybe send me photos and I could try and get a copy fabricated. I know the story of the sprig clip type to put in the different holes in the neck.
Have a look on www.patkelleher.net "Instruments Page" and "Click for Next Page"

Pat


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Guy Guilbert
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:38 AM

Hi every one. I will try to answer some question above that were posted earlier this year.
Norm: Yes, I am not DEAD! Sorry to disappoint you. Ha! I had an aortic dissection three years ago and had open heart surgery to replace part of my aorta.

Frank; before I started lessons at The Old Town School Of Folk Music, in '57? 58?, my mother, one day, was strolling down North Ave. when a man came up to her and asked directions for TOTSOFM. She said, 'Follow me,' and led him down the block, in the building, and up the three flights. Seems everybody was waiting for this guy, for when he walked in the room, an audience of people stood and applauded him. He grabbed a guitar, jumped on stage, and Big Bill Bronzy started to sing. My mother was stunned. Frank, you probably remember his first performance there???

Yes Frank, I did go to some Gate hoots but never saw you there. Never saw Gibson either. I think you both were busy with other things by then. The School for one. I don't think Spanky ever went to the hoots there, but she did hang at the bar...a lot. In fact, that's where I first met her and where our torrid love affair began. Whew!

Spanky MC FARLANE now lives in Ferndale, CA, which is right below Eureka, CA. She just bought a house, sings at some open mics. In fact, I just saw her a couple of weeks ago. We played a lot of cards.

Spanky was in The Mamas And Papas for 11 or 12 years. There were MANY tours.

A important song in my song-set was, "The Rock Island Line," Lonnie Donnigan's version. Joe Klee was always putting me down for doing it. What a guy.

The Fickle Pickle: That was a big hang for Spanky, McGuinn, Ray Tate, Joe Klee, Mike Settle, Dave Brian (later Dave Blum of The Second City) me, and god knows who else. Mike Bloomfield was NEVER there when it was MY HANGOUT. He worked there later; was the doorman, seat sitter. (I produced a radio spot for Country Club Malt Liquor with Mike and Nick Gravenitus(sp). We prerecorded all the track but him. He came in listened to the tracks once, laid his guitar against the amp and created a howling feedback, yelled to start the tape recorder, and blistered a guitar passage on a spare track-IN ONE TAKE!)

I played at the Pickle with The Frets several times, with the late, great John Carbo and Lou MacDonald. This was right after I took McGuinn's place in the group. Great times. Would all go to a pancake house after hours and meet up with the likes of the Clancy Brother and that ilk. Goggies-right down the street. Does anybody remember the Goggie-burger? Mmmm.

Here's a story: Ray Tate calls me and says we have a gig playing behind the Clancys because Tommy Makem(sp) had hurt his hand and couldn't play banjo. Ray was playing banjo and I bass. This was at the Roosevelt Auditorium. I take a cab to the gig, get out, and enter the place. Later, I'm on stage with everyone, plunking away. The Clancys are singing it up big. All of a sudden, my bass strings are soft, spaghetti. I look down and my bridge had collapsed 90 degrees. Flat. Nothing. Flop, flop. Bonnie Kolac was in the house and swears I said, 'Oh, fuck!' Anyway, the audience in the first row saw it, started laughing, second row starts laughing, and like dominos, each row picks up on it. I'm standing there mugging, of course. The Clancys know nothing except for the laughter, and not the reason why. FINALLY they turn and see me, shrugging. The place went up for grabs. I slink off stage, and realizing I can't fix the bridge (it takes a special tool to put it back on), grab a guitar and return to the stage to huge applause. Apparently I had knocked the bridge goofy when getting out of the cab. Duh.

Bruce Langhorn lives here in LA. I saw him about 4 years ago at a gig with Peter Elbling. He's looking good. I did an album in '62 in NY with him backing Inman & Ira. He doesn't remember. Oh, well. Later, gUy


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 08:42 PM

refresh for those who might not have caught Guy's post!


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:00 PM

Guy,

It's pretty amazing reading your doings back in them other times. You've got me thinking of the group THE FRETS. You, with that group, opened for Frank Hamilton when we brought him in to play at the University Of Illinois-Navy Pier 2-year branch back in 1961 I think. --- It's making my brain smoke to think that far back. All those reel-to-reel tapes I made of that concert have crumbled. I still have a couple of songs from it on cassette---Singin' In The Country by Frank--a song he taught in the one class I caught him teaching before he joined The Weavers. I never sat in on another lesson after that. He also did "Meadowlands"---the Russian equivalent of "America The Beautiful". I sort of learned it from that tape--and got a ton of mileage out of it over the years. A beautiful song!-----Anyhow, I did manage to save that song as done by Frank that night on a cassette. Still have it.

Fascinating times...

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art again
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:02 PM

I hope I hadn't already recounted that stuff in this thread! Well, whatever.

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Guy Guilbert
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:28 PM

Oh, yeah...Fred Kaz lives on his boat, here in Marina Del Ray. He occasionally plays piano with The Second City Alumni, but arthritus has severely claimed his hands. I play for the alumni when he doesn't.

I also heard, don't know if it's true, but I think it is, Herb Brown was murdered in New York.

Ira Sullivan: I knew he moved to the San Fransico area in the mid-late '60's. Don't know where he is now.

Willie Write: Willie died in the early seventies from a gangrene infection he got from dropping a bucket of paint on his toe and ignoring it. There was a benefit in '74 at The Second City. Gibson & Camp performed amoung others.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 10:34 PM

Here is an aside addendum:

Ira Sullivan played at the original Gate Of Horn (at Chicago and Dearborn streets) on Monday nights -- the only night that wasn't folk music. This was 1959. --- More recently, in the 1990s, Ira Sullivan teamed up with RED RODNEY, also a trumpet player. Sooo, Ira taught himself to play saxophone. They made some fine albums---one of which I have. Mostly be-bop in style.

RED RODNEY, who was white, played trumpet with the amazing Charlie Parker when he was young. They had several gigs to play in the south---where black and white musicians were NOT then allowed to play together--let alone hang out together. The story Parker told the sheriff when he came around was that Red was not white---he was a mulatto! ------ I guess it worked!!!

This episode is featured in Clint Eastwood's film bio of Charlie Parker called BYRD-----a fine film starring Forrest Whittaker as Parker.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,art thieme (sheepishly)
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 10:37 PM

Of course, that should be BIRD!


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:11 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM

Getting back to the Merlin; here's an old ad from Sing Out!

http://www.banjohangout.org/myhangout/photos2.asp?id=17973&photoID=35191&albumid=1828


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 11:53 AM

Left click on the photo above for a larger view.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 12:21 AM

A bit down the thread (about 3 years back) my old friend Guy Gilbert mentioned that he didn't know what became of Ira Sullivan.
Ira has been living in the Miami, Florida area since at least the early 1970s if not earlier.
I've met him several times over the years and got together with him last Fall when he dedicated a night of his playing to my late uncle, Conti Milano a bass player who Ira knew for many years.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Soren Midtgaard
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 03:41 PM

Hi

I am looking to buy a Merlin Banjo. If one of you guys have a lead I would appreciate it.

My email is soren_roi@yahoo.dk


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 04:01 PM

Hi Art and Guy,

I jammed with Ira and Bob Dorough at the old Gate in 57 or so. I was saddened to hear
about Herb Brown who backed a lot of the folkies at the Gate. Wilbur Ware and Bill Lee
also.

The word on Eastwood's flick is that he probably picked the worst day in Bird's life to
put on film. Bird was a pretty happy-go-lucky guy from those who knew him,
notably a man deceased now named Buddy Jones who worshipped him.

Ware was sad. He used to ask for pennies to feed his habit.

The Second City crowd mixed with the Gate crowd. I knew Alan Arkin, Paul Sand (nee Sanchez), and met Severign Darden a couple of times. Barbara Harris told me about her
sojourn in Hollywood. She was married to Paul Sills at the time.

When I played at the Gate, there was a little-known comic who did a telephone sketch
for a very small audience. He had studied acting in California. His name was Shelly Berman.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Irwin Liebman
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 08:17 AM

Back in the early 70's Fleming Brown sold me a Merlin Banjo for a hundred bucks and he threw in 2 kittens(one sick) as a bonus. I think he got a kick out of that deal.I remember that it was really loud and heavy. I sold it to my then father in-law but dearly remember the sick kitten (with pneumenitis) who sneezed all over my carpets and curtains for a year.
Irwin Liebman
iliebman@netzero.com


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Scott Newell
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:27 PM

In the early 70's, I bought a Merlin banjo from a fellow music teacher at Hewitt's Music in Dearborn, Michigan. Later went on to tour with it with the New Christy Minstrels. Here's a link to a picture of an album the group made in Japan:

http://www.thenewchristyminstrels.com/images/7306-NCMKeepJapanBeautiful-100.jpg

While traveling with that banjo, the resonator got very banged up, even though it was inside a hard case. The metal of the resonator was so soft, every time we'd fly, just the movement of the instrument inside the case would enlarge the holes where the screws went through. Was lucky enough to get a new resonator before the Merlin company went out of business, so the banjo is in great shape. It was very good for concerts--hardly needed a microphone. And boy, did it stay in tune with those high ratio tuning keys.

I'm now a freelance television producer and recently helped produce a program on a medical subject. Without knowing beforehand his Merlin connection, one of the people we featured was Bill Malloy who worked in the Merlin factory. I spoke at length with his wife and found out many things about Bill and that banjo. It is remarkable that our paths would cross under those circumstances and after all these years.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Drew
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:03 PM

Does anyone know where i can find the tuning peg apparatus that merlin banjos have? I own a 4 string merlin banjo that is missing this crucial part. any info helps. thanks. my email is aadavis80@yahoo.com.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Judi Nowak-Hendrick
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:00 PM

Hi Guy!
Look me up on Facebook, we need to do a lot of catching up!
Judi - Smiles


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 05 May 10 - 10:09 PM

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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 01:23 PM

I enjoyed very much reading all of the comments about Merlin Banjo. Also, I especially enjoyed the comment about "It's Here" and sitting on the floor. Now the question of the hour is - does anyone out there remember Jimmy Carter or The Rum Runners who use to sing there - what ever became of them? If so email Bob at ndahl1@cox.net.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Fantome
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 09:00 AM

I do remember the Rum Runners from shows at It's Here on Sheridan Road. I had a new Merlin long neck 5-string and wanted to learn how to play it so I took lessons from their banjo player up in Evanston. Can't remember his name and I still can't play the thing very well. But the Merlin has survived nicely all these years as well as the Guild D 40 I bought while teaching guitar in 1964 at Wilmette Music near the 4th & Linden terminal of the CTA. I lived just behind Silver Sid Warner's shop on Armitage & North Avenue. He made a truss rod cover in sterling with my initials on it. Still have that on my D 40. And thanks to everyone for all the stories from those days. I was only 18 and a little late on the scene but my brother Roy played drums with Mike Bloomfield back when they were at New Trier High School and one afternoon at our house in Wilmette Bloomfield taught me how to play a couple of chords. I was 13 but it got me going. I still enjoy playing whenever I can get a few locals together up here in midcoast Maine.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,fantome
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 03:36 PM

I mean Sedgewick Ave. and North. Old Age ...


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,Paul Petraitis "Closer To The Blues"
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:01 PM

Enjoying the Gate?pickle?Old Town tidbits Am writing a book on the 60's Blues Boom in Chicago who's FANTOME whose bro played drums with Mike Bloomfield?


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:42 PM

I was gonna say it was Sedgwick and North Ave. But you corrected yourself. I never knew Silver Sid's last name! Thanks for filling that in for me.------- Also at that intersection was Alderman Paddy Bauler's bar / office. He was the main man in the Forty-Third ward. His buddy, Win Stracke was a founder of the Old Town School of Folk Music--with Dawn Greening and Gert Soltker and Mudcatter Frank Hamilton.

I remember opening up the Old Town Folklore Center that dat; everything looked normal at first. --The Folklore Center was also right near that intersection--at 343 W. North Ave-- Pretty quickly it was obvious that we'd been robbed over night. Several guitars, banjos ad very heavy Roberts reel-to-reel tape decks were just gone. And there was no sign of a break-in -- anywhere. After hours of searching and scratching our chins, I went down into the basement and found one wall kicked in!!! The thieves had gone underground after lifting a manhole cover----then crawled under the hollow area under the sidewalk---got to the perfect spot---and kicked in the dam basement wall. They gathered whatever they wanted, and took it out of the store the same way they'd come in. Never used the door!

Win Stracke went to have a beer with Alderman Bauler that day and told him what had gone down. Bauler said he'd check with the neighborhood fence that night.

As it turned out, the fence had all our merchandise! The thieves were junkies who needed cash quick. Bottom line was that we had to pay the fence's price to get our stuff back.----------So we did that---without a word to the police.

I do recall a short neck Merlin banjo being in that load of contraband.------- Folks Paddy Bauler was the Chicago Alderman who first said, "Chicagah ain't ready for reform!" ---

As I mentioned in this thread up top---John Carbo was the manager of the store. And in 1965--'66-- and into '67 I served as assistant manager. --- The late folksinger,Fred Holstein, worked there part time. So did Ed Holstein for a while.

I do miss Chicago... It's just the way things were. Par for da course!!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 May 11 - 11:57 AM

Joe Siegel, former manager for Louis Armstrong, booked the Monday Night jazz sessions at the Gate of Horn with Sullivan, Kaz et. al. I tried to sit in one night but couldn't cut it.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 May 11 - 05:06 PM

Frank,
I heard Ira Sullivan on several of those Monday Nights at the Gate.
In recent years, Ira Sullivan formed a bebop group with Red Rodney. Do you remember Red Rodney? He was a white guy who played trumpet with Charlie Parker early on. When the combo was touring in the south, it posed a problem. Whites and blacks weren't allowed to perform together back then. So they passed Red Rodney off as an ALBINO! -- and it worked.

Red and Ira Sullivan both played the trumpet--and that was a problem. So Ira Sullivan taught himself on the spur of the moment to play saxophone. And he was great at it. They might still be playing together---I don't know.

There are several CDs of the two of them out as we speak. (made after 2000 or so)


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 May 11 - 02:57 PM

Hi Art,

I jammed once with Ira, Bob Dorough on piano and Fred Kaz was there too.
They were very nice to me, not like some of the other musicians in the area who thought they were so hot. Ira, Bob, Fred....great musicians......nice people.

The famous story about Rodney is that he got hooked because Bird did it. Bird said to him, don't do that because I did it.

Rodney was represented in the rather peculiar movie by Clint Eastwood showing a scene between Red Rodney and Bird. Red was able to get the Jewish wedding gigs in which he helped Bird get some money.

An acquaintance of Bird for many years said that Eastwood got Bird on a bad day. Bird was pretty happy playing with Diz and not such a morose individual as Clint suggested.

I think that the jazz musician as survivor (Art Pepper style) is exaggerated. These musicians had a good time playing.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 May 11 - 03:02 PM

I was really sorry to hear what happened to Herb Brown. I felt badly for Wilbur Ware, too.

There were four bass players used at the Gate of Horn.
Herb Brown
Bill Lee (Spike Lee's father)
Wilbur Ware
Buckwheat (with Bud and Travis)
They all played acoustic bass.

These were the regulars. Bill recorded with Odetta on Tradition Records and with me on banjo, and Bruce Langhorne (a great guitarist) on "Hearty and Hellish"/ the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem at the Gate of Horn.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 23 May 11 - 10:12 PM

This old thread just keeps on keepin' on. Thanks for the tales, Frank.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 May 11 - 02:49 PM

Peter Paul and Mary came out of this, Art, as you know. About that time Al Grossman who ran the Gate decided he would put together this folk trio, I think the story was in his words, "Two rabbis and a hooker". I was during that time that Al auditioned and presented them at the Gate and gave them the names, Paul was Noel Stookey and Peter was a modestly successful act as a single. Everybody knew Mary, the Amazon Queen of Washington Square.

I think one of the bass players worked with them at the time. I was accompanying Shoshana Damari, the legendary Yemenite singer at the time.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 May 11 - 02:55 PM

Art, I had one of Paddy Bauler's famous free haircuts across the street at a small barber shop on North and Sedgewick. I think Win arranged it.

I had a trio Monday nights at Mike Bloomfield's "Fickle Pickle" playing pop folk stuff ala Mighty Wind. At the time, Dick Gregory would come down and do a guest set after his stint at Robert's Show Lounge on the South Side. My co-horts were Bob Rose, Bernie "Cheyanne" Schatz and we had Bob Gibson as a visitor from time to time.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 May 11 - 10:09 PM

Frank,
I took one group lesson from you. Tune you taught that day was Pete's 'Singing In The Country' or 'Living In The Country' --- Key of D I think. It was the first time I'd ever tried to play and pick further up the neck than the first 3 frets.
Then you left to Join the Weavers and I never took another formal lesson again---but I sure did learn from folks I ran into all over. One time at the Gate Paul Clayton guested at one of those Sunday afternoon hoots that went on for several years.

Do you remember that strange section at the Gate--it was sort of a peanut gallery -- set aside for teens who couldn't drink yet.-- Just Coke was served there.------Wow, almost forgot that.

that reminds me of a night at the bar at the original Second City--on Clark Street right near Wisconsin St.   I was under-aged but loved to hang out there and just listen to the talk. Very cool. Nelson Algren hung out there too. He was piqued because I only ordered Coke. Once Mr. Algren shoved his own beer down the bar to me--to the consternation of the bartender.---------- My MS sure screws up my recent memory, but the olden golden times seem to be with me still. --- All the best to you and Mary! I do hope you both are well. ----- Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: GUEST,from tokyo
Date: 24 May 11 - 10:59 PM

Thanks,Art & Frank

Yesterday쳌@I listen to the Radio Album,
Studs Terkel's Weekly Almanac Radio Programme,No 4:
Folk Music & Blues at internet.

Beautiful!

Kiyohide Kunizaki at Tokyo Folklore Center


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 May 11 - 05:16 AM

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