Burns and Haydn

Subject: Burns and Haydn
From: Davetnova
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:30 AM

In a barely heard snippet on the radio the morning was a piece about 400 Scots folk songs which Haydn was commisioned to write arrangements for by an Edinburgh publisher. There is an ongoing project to record them all with a projected release date of 2009.
The little bits they played sounded a little bit "operatic", if thats the word, to me but I suppose it's a valid Scots style.
Anybody Know anything more about this?

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: GUEST,Fogie
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:28 AM

Thom(p)son's the publisher commissioned them from Haydn, at a time when Haydn was running low on invention-presumably he was getting old. What I heard sounded very interesting, in that he was making trios or similar out of a wide range of Scottish airs and dance tunes which I have only heard of and played in their 'White Heather', or dance band arrangements, and browsed Kerr's merry melodies wondering what gems I was missing. Like that music performed by the Palladian Ensemble ,and presumably others I have not heard of, there is a wealth of Classically arranged and composed Scottish/Italian/ French art music to be discovered in Scottish archives, not to mention Beethoven and Haydn, and I do particularly like the different Scottish forms of dance music- with strathspeys, marches, and celtic airs to add to the ususal band repertoirs. I would very much like to hear how a classical arranger expounds a basic tune with counter melodies and bass in simple ensemble form. I'ts a long time to wait for maybe 20 CDs, but tantalizing for me

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:40 AM

Three volumes of Haydn's Volksliedbearbeitungen (Schottische Lieder) have been published by G. Henle Verlag (München), which contain 268 songs in all with annotations. Scottish songs (Nr. 151-268) arranged for George Thomson (publisher) are collected in Joseph Haydn Werke, Reihe XXXII--Band 3 (2001). Some information on the background is given by Roger Fiske in his Scotland in Music: A European Enthusiasm (Cambridge UP, 1983, pp. 55-).

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:46 AM

You'd be best posting this query to Usenet group uk.music.folk, and try to get an answer from one who will know more detail than you can imagine- Jack Campin, also known as Bogus Address.

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:09 AM

Joseph Haydn, Scottish Songs for George Thomson I (Folksong arrangements vol. 1) was released as Brilliant Classics 92278:

Joseph Haydn, Scottish Songs Cat.No.: 92278
EAN Code: 5028421922782
Format: 1 CD
Pal/Ntsc: none
Label: Brilliant Classics
Composer: Haydn

The start of an extensive series with little-known works of Joseph Haydn: his settings of Scottish Songs, for vocal soloists and piano trio.
Haydn wrote more then 400 folksong arrangements, on commission from George Thomson, a Scottish publisher. These Brilliant Classics will record complete during the next years, forming the first complete edition.
These delightful works, full of sentiment and wit, are sung here in their original Scottish language, by two famous Scottish singers: Lorna Anderson and Jamie MacDougall, accompanied by the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt (piano trio: violin, piano, cello).
The complete original texts, and a synopsis per song in German, and the highly interesting linernotes make this issue an original and well-documented quality product.

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:43 AM

Thank you Masato. I didn't realise they were releasing them one at a time.
Davetnova (on207.103.108.99 again)

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:56 PM

According to this list (Franz Joseph Haydn: Catalogue de l'oeuvre),

XXXI. Arrangements

31a. Chants écossais (273)
31b. Chants gallois (60) et irlandais (1)
31c. Autres arrangements (17)

.The number of his arrangements is "more than 400"?

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: masato sakurai
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 12:58 PM

Haydn's Scottish Songs for George Thomson, Vol. 2 (4-disc set) was already released by Brilliant.

Haydn Scottish songs Vol.2 Cat.No.: 92542
EAN Code: 5028421925424
Format: 4 CD
Label: Brilliant Classics
Composer: Haydn

Subject: RE: Burns and Haydn
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 01:10 PM

Schottisches of course were a very popular styhle, like mazurkas became later.