ebay problem

Subject: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:32 AM

Last November, Jacqui ordered and paid for, a film titled The Gin Game through e bay. We have still not received it, and they tell us that after 60 days we have no case.We have tried repeatedly to contact him via e mail, no response. Fine, the crook holds out for 60 days and walks with our money and the film. The name listed is: Quickpawn34, so if you see this name, run. I'm about to call the federal authorities. In this country we have laws to protect us from crooks.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:43 AM

ahh e-bay - the digital Wild West. Deep sympathies Kendall.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:48 AM

Is this seller still selling, Kendall?

Also check out the seller's "feedback"... There is a way that you can contact others who have purchased from the jerk and maybe someone else might have a good address fir the seller. If you can get a physical address you can at least threaten the seller with a law suit, not that that in itself will do any good because a "judgement" and 89 cents will get you a 12 ounce cup of coffee at the 7-11...

If the seller has just disappeared then I'd say that you should be glad that it wasn't a car you bought...

Good luck and I'll fish around in ebay tonight and see what I can find out about this crook...

Bobert

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:54 AM

Isn't there a paypal guarantee somewhere as well? Or do they apply a 60 day rule?

DtG

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Brakn
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:06 AM

Quickpawn34 doesn't seem to be operating now. Well by that name anyway.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:20 AM

Confirmed. I have just tried to find him/her but identity no longer exists on Ebay so the person has either changed or dropped the identity concerned. Police fraud squad would be my next step....
Hope all is well with you Kendall.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Dreaded Thumbpick
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 10:57 AM

Hey Kendall,

There are frauds in every enterprise. I've sold stuff on eBay to bidders who didn't pay and then disappeared. Fortunately, I've had no bad experiences as a buyer. Go get 'em. Let me know how you make out.

Wally

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: sian, west wales
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:32 AM

On a non-ebay anecdotal note ... back in the mid 70s I worked at Theatre London (Ontario) and Hume Cronyn and Jessica Tandy came to do a couple of plays there because it was HC's home town. Anyway, lovely couple to have around - like your grandparents. She took us all to see this Marvellous New Movie, "Rocky"; she thought the young man might come to something as an actor ...

Anyway, they were great, like grandparents except for one thing. The whole back stage crew learned quickly to avoid their dressing room like the plague before a performance unless Absolutely Necessary. They arrived very early each day and would sit around playing Gin Rummey. They left the door open so they could reel in any unsuspecting techies. They played for money. (OK. pennies. but ...) They played serious. It was their blood sport. This lovely ol' couple turned into the Barbarian Hordes when it came to gin.

After their season finished, their Stage Manager (they always toured with their own man) wrote The Gin Game for them. I've never seen it. The shaking might start up again ...

siân

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:01 PM

Yeah, I bet that dirty, rotten scoundrel went a long way on your eight dollars! Cut off his hands, I say!

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:31 PM

It was $26.00, and the PRINCIPAL of the thing. Something fewer and fewer people honor these days. I wonder what it feels like to sell your integrity for $26.00...

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:13 PM

He doesn't have any integrity to sell, and he doesn't care about the people he fleeces.

He probably sold his non existent product to several hundred buyers, GUEST. You work it out! It doesn't seem insignificant to me.

DT

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:19 PM

BTW Kendall,

Have you tried telling E-Bay the likely outcome of a loss of trust in their service? i.e. No business, ergo no E-Bay. Seems like a short sighted and inept approach to public relations.

It is for precisely this reason that I will never buy through them. I only deal with companies I know will behave honestly.

DT

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:57 PM

Checking my EBay buys for the past 3 years, I have bought about 150 items (I am a collector but also buy the occasional VHS) and had two non-receipts. For one, a small item, the seller reimbursed me.

The other, an item bid in for $300, never arrived. It was sent insured, and was traced to the Canadian border, where tracing stopped. I had been unaware that U.S. mail insurance does not carry into Canada.
The moral is to use registered mail, which is traced all the way, or use one of the carriers like Purolater, UPS, etc.
The seller and I agreed to split the cost. Ignorance of how insurance works cost us both.

EBay in no way was responsible for the loss.
When in doubt, and the item is costly, email the seller and arrange to talk with him by 'phone.

There are major dealers in old records, films, etc. on EBay. They are reputable, and have email and web addresses where one can check for items not listed for bids. They generally come up with what I want- stay away from sellers for whom very few transactions are listed or do not provide quality ratings on their listings.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM

I informed e bay of the scam, but I don't expect them to do much except to maybe ban this creep from any future sales.
I also wrote a letter to the Consumer fraud div. of the Attorney General's office in Augusta.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: annamill
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:30 PM

Sorry Kendall,

Invalid Seller's User ID
"quickpawn34" is not a registered eBay user. If you have mistyped the User ID, please go back and try again.

Make sure you are not using any uppercase characters or allowing blank space before, after or inside the User ID.

I have always had good experiences with Ebay and I hate to see that you have been mis-used. I may be saying the obvious, but ALWAYS check the sellers feedback to see 1) Has any feedback, 2) Mostly good feedback.

Very important.

Love, Annamill

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: eleanor c
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:32 PM

Bad luck K & J,

In over 140 ebay transactions I've only had one purchase not show up & that was a big ball of wool!! Oh and one nonpaying buyer (£2.50)in Estonia, but that was cos the entire Estonian internet went kapoot. But I know the scamsters and scamstresses are out there......show no quarter.

Best
Eleanor

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:38 PM

Sorry Ken... but that you got hosed is no reason to diss eBay....

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:39 PM

Oh ya... can someone BS this BS too please...

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:37 PM

I bought a guitar with a stripped trussrod - the seller paid most of the repair costs.

I boght a hard drive that failed. The seller has just contacted me to offer me my money back.

THat's better than most used car dealers!

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:54 PM

Kendall said:

It was $26.00, and the PRINCIPAL of the thing

Well, I'm glad you are in the real world, really after the PRINCIPAL, and aren't making a big deal about "principle"!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:28 PM

CH, what did I say that looked like I'm "dissing" e bay?

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:32 PM

Well, the title says 'ebay problem'... and it doesn't seem to me that ebay IS the problem...

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 12:18 PM

I ordered something through e bay. It was never delivered, I don't have the patience for hair splitting.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 11:18 PM

DEAR KINDeLL

You will NEVER again .....order ANYTHING from E-Bay?

Is this your final offer?

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: open mike
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 04:05 AM

is it possible it was attempted to deliver whil you were away?
I had a problem like that with smoe chili peppers i was having
sent form new mexico. They were sent in such a way that i had to
sign for them and i was gone so they got returned...but i think
you had no indication that the goods were sent or even existed!
Good luck...

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 07:50 AM

MOAN MOAN MOAN. Why do people seem to blame e bay if they do a deal with someone halfway around the world and it goes tits up. After over 700 transactions on e bay I as a collector cannot praise it enough. In my native North of Ireland I have got caught twice within the past two weeks with fake one pound coins. What should I do cry out against the Bank of England for producing items which are easily copied ? Put a banner across Threadneedle Street ? Black list the shopkeeper I think gave me the coins ? Life bites all of us on the ass from time to time. I only ever had one deal on e bay which had a wobble. I got a street map of his town of the net, found where he lived, found a street close by on the map. Emailed him, told him two friends had just moved in to this street and would call around in person to collect the goods by the end of the week, guess what he posted them on next day. Don't take it out on e bay their a great service.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: jacqui.c
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 08:32 AM

This was a trnasaction between two USA addresses. This guy did not respond to emails querying non delivery. To my mind, if he was on the up he would have given chapter and verse on where and when the item was sent, not disappear off the face of the earth.

Recently we have had this incident, another where a book was paid for on PayPal in January and still hasn't arrived, the seller says it was sent by media mail THREE WEEKS after she had payment and another PayPal payment that the seller said had not been received a week later. We have made five transactions in that time period. Go figure.

OM - we had all mail redirected to Kendall's daughter whilst we were away and the house was being checked by his family and a friend every couple of days. To our knowledge there were no other missing items.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: RichM
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 09:08 AM

Kendall has a valid reason to complain. What I don't understand is the cynical response here that belittle his concerns. And that's you I'm talking about, Clinton.


Rich M

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:39 AM

I try to buy things through places like Amazon where they have more guarantees in place and put pressure on their vendors to live up to their offers.

The Gin Game (the Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore remake, but the first one with Hume Cronyn and Jessica Tandy is the classic).

SRS

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:41 AM

Chew me RichM....

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 12:36 PM

I think the ebay rule that complaints of non-delivery have to be made within 60 days (of what I'm not sure) is a bit of a bugger, but surely the police may compel ebay to provide personal details of the seller if fraud is alleged - and it looks as if there was a fraud since the seller has disappeared lock stock and barrel from the publicly accessible ebay records.

I would point out that an originator of goods can be liable if another passes them off, if the originator "put an engine of fraud into circulation".

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 12:39 PM

LOL! I figured you'd say something like that, Clinton.

I've done at least 150 transactions on Ebay. All the purchases have worked out fine. As for the sales, I had one customer who never sent payment on a $20 item which I never shipped (since I was waiting to receive payment)...so I lost maybe 25 cents or something for running the ad.

Given this experience, I would give Ebay an extremely high approval rating.

I check out the feedback of vendors quite carefully before ordering from them, and am cautious about "newbies" who have little or no feedback. That policy has served me well.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 12:47 PM

Why anyone would wait 60 days before complaining is beyond me...

"I check out the feedback of vendors... That policy has served me well."
It's surprising how far a little common sense will go eh LH....

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: LilyFestre
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 01:04 PM

As both a buyer and a seller on eBay, I would suggest to anyone that contact be made between the buyer and the seller ASAP upon closing of the auction. I also strongly recommend using insurance as one never can tell if the seller has sent out the package or if it has been "lost." I am unsure of international tracking, but for within the US, insurance is quite useful.

Also, after a reasonable amount of time (a week or so), if the package has not been received, email the seller. If no response, contact Ebay and they will share the sellers phone number with you so that you can get in contact with the seller.

I'm sorry you had this experience on eBay. In over a thousand transactions (combined buyer and seller), we have only ever had one problem. I think eBay is a great resource for those hard to find items, collectables for those of us who are unable to spend the time or money to travel the world in search of whatever.

I do agree though that for the one seller who fell through for us, I was very disappointed and frustrated. It definately is the principle of the thing that is most frustrating. Ours was for a book that cost $18.00....for some of you that might not be any big deal, but during that particular time, it was a HUGE deal to spend that kind of money on a non-necessity item. In fact, it was a book that I had planned on giving my husband for his birthday. I was most unhappy.

Michelle

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 03:00 PM

As usual CH you don't know what you are talking about. We Didn't wait 60 days, and I am NOT blaming Ebay. Why do people run their mouths when they have no clue as to what is really going on? I said, I don't expect e bay to do anything, so, how much plainer can I make it? Old Maine proverb..."Make sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear."

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 07:50 PM

Whatever Ken...

yer money is gone... there's likely NOTHING you can do about it... Call your 'federal authorities'... I'll bet ya they laugh and retell the story of THAT phone call at EVERY x-mas party for the next 10 years...

You didn't go into eBay with a strategy like LH mentions above, so unless you can find one, ya might wanna just make due with your promise, and stay away from eBay... it'll probably be happier if you weren't there...

oh, and here's a quarter... call someone to come build you a bridge so you can get the fuk over it...

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:30 PM

You still don't get it, do you? I knew you were thick, but I thought you could read! Is that a Canadian quarter? If so, it will only take me about half way.
I was just thinking today that I shouldn't even bother to answer snide remarks and opinions which I didn't ask for, so I think I'll take my own advice and not give any weight to some piss ant who obviously doesn't understand English.

As we used to say in the service, "Rave on cat shit, someone will clean you up."

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 12:23 AM

Are you insulting our Canadian money, Kendall? Well!!! By golly, you better watch it, eh? When Canadians get mad it's, like, pretty scary, eh? Sorta like bein' confronted by an enraged beaver.

Clinton, on the other hand...he's thick-skinned, so feel free to quarrel with him. He can take it.

Raptor and I might be able to arrange a house concert somewhere in southern Ontario featuring Clinton soon, and then you can come and heckle him and throw tomatoes and stuff... :-)

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 04:12 AM

Well, Kendall, if you did not wait 60 days before complaining, I am at a loss (so far) to understand why ebay's standard policy does not cover you, unless of course ebay UK has a different policy.

And, CH, why don't you try stealing something worth a few dollars only from, say, Wal-mart, and see if you get prosecuted for theft?

Over here, the police take fraud scheme advertisements quite seriously. Are you really suggesting the police in the US would not?

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 07:37 AM

Ok, It's time to end this thread. Once and for all, I AM NOT MAD AT EBAY.Their policy is quite clear on the time limit.I should have been more careful about the title of the thread for the benefit of a certain piss ant who likes to nit pick.I wasted time going to the UK, and more time trying to contact the thief. I now own the thieving son of a bitch for $26.00.
I may be advertising my boat on e bay soon. So much for "dissing" e bay. Ok, CH? You happy now?

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 12:51 PM

Ya ken... you've said it over and over and over...

And I never said after the first time, that you were 'mad at ebay'... you addressed it, and it was dropped... YOU'RE the one who keep going on aboout that... So, now who's the one who can't "understand English"

What I continue to assert is that you are a pissy litte douche, who's not worth the dirt to bury...

" I may be advertising my boat on e bay soon"
I hope someone steals it, and burns your house down and gives you cancer of the ass... oh... right... you're ALL ass... so, where would it start?

"I should have been more careful"
You SHOULD have been more careful of who you were dealing with on eBay...

"more time trying to contact the thief"
I suspect your time would be better spent kissing your 26 bucks goodbye, and getting over it....

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 01:23 PM

Listen piss ant, YOU are the one who insinuated that I lack common sense. You only come here to piss on everything, offer unwanted opinions and run your mouth about things you know nothing about.
I'd be glad to engage in a battle of wits with you, but I would hate to shoot an unarmed man.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: kendall
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM

Little Hawk, my friend, I would never disrespect Canadians. I have about half a dozen CLOSE friends who live in Canada. That remark was for a certain loudmouth atypical Canadian whom we all know and dislike.
In my whole life I have encountered two Canadians that I dislike. Stan Rogers was one and the other is still alive; well, from the neck down.

Subject: RE: ebay problem
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 01:50 PM

Oh... that's original ken...   You been saving that tired old 'retort' for a rainy day? Careful with it... things that old get brittle...

And I only piss on things that warrent it...

Thsi thread is hardly even worth the steam off my piss on a cold day...

I didn't insinuate you lacked common sense... I said it... IF you had any, you'da been more careful on eBay and not got taken for a ride...

But you didn't.. so you were... and now there's little if anything you can do about it... so you whine and suck and piss and moan...

Well, grow up and move on...

Or are you waiting for someone to come put a band-aid on your poor wittwe skinned knee... I'll call the whaaambulance for ya...

OK, boys. You have managed to ruin a decent thread. Enough. Thread closed. Mudelf