Subject: Tune Posting - the contest From: John in Brisbane (copied by Joe Offer) Date: 04 Dec 98 - 03:14 AM About 15 years ago Decca released two separate vinyls of The World's Greatest Voices, the original plus Vol 2. It includes this song plus a couple of dozen classics from the early part of this century with performances by Tauber, Peter Dawson, Moncrieff and many others - certainly no syrupy cover versions. I believe that it MAY have been issued on CD, but unlike a number of more recent Australian releases by the ABC it has not been digitally titivated. The version by Peter Dawson (?) is magnificent.
I do recommend this to anyone who can locate it. In fact I will send a taped copy of this to any one Mudcatter who posts a new tune to this forum by the end of Sunday 20 December. Joe Offer to work out the rules and adjudicate. (Thanks in advance Joe if you care to re-post this please).
Regards |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Dec 98 - 03:39 AM titivated??? Interesting word, and the etymology is fascinating. My dictionary says it comes from "tidy" with a pseudo-Latin ending. It means "to spruce up," or, I suppose, "to make tidy." You use words like that all the time in Brisbane, John? OK, John says I'm supposed to make up the rules, so here goes: Whatchagottado In this thread right here, post a tune, in ABC or MIDITXT format, for any lyrics in the database that lack a tune. If the lyrics aren't in the database, post them, too. No need to start a new thread for every tune - Eagle-Eyed Dick Greenhaus can spot a tune a mile away - so just post 'em in this thread. If you can't (or won't) use MIDITXT or ABC but are willing to do a MIDI for us, click here to e-mail me a message, with MIDI attached. I'll convert it for ya. Whatchaget One very nice cassette tape, as described above. But Alison gets the first tape, since she's posted more tunes than the rest of us combined until John in Brisbane started his current marathon (and because we guys all try to curry favor with Alison). Once you've posted the tune, click on my name below and e-mail me your snail mail address so we can send you a cassette. Contest ends December 20, but Mudcatteers are always encouraged to post tunes. The usual caveats and whereases apply. If the tune has already been posted or is already in the database, too bad, buddy. Employees of Mudcat and its subsidiaries are not eligible. However, since Mudcat has no employees or subsidiaries, this rule does not apply. The contest begins now! Ready? Set? POST!!!! Joe-Offer@msn.com |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: AndreasW Date: 04 Dec 98 - 05:22 AM I'd like to join the contest, but... I have some songs on CD which are not in the database. I could provide lyrics (and I will later on), but I can't provide MIDI, ABC or MIDITEXT. My PC here at work (I've none at home) has no sound equipment. All I could provide is cda-files that I could copy from the cds. Or is there a way to convert from cda (I think that means CD-Audio) to MIDI or MIDITEXT or ABC? cu, Andreas (with the Not-Up-To-Date PC) |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: alison Date: 04 Dec 98 - 06:56 AM hi Joe, thanks for the crawling.... but I think he's only offering one tape.... and I think it should be used to entice new tune people. Nice thought though....... big hug........ (don't tell Mick **grin**) slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Alan of Australia Date: 04 Dec 98 - 07:46 AM Andreas, There's not really anything you can do with the cda files from a CD. They can't be converted to MIDI and they are not the files containing the music so they can't be converted to wav files which in any case are typically 30MB or more. (For that you need a "ripper" program.) The best you can do if you have the ear for it is to get the tune onto paper in staff notation or ABC format & take it from there.
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Dec 98 - 03:44 AM John, care to clarify? Did I misunderstand you, or did Alison? Click on my name and send me an e-mail, willya? I can't find your name to send you a personal message. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: gargoyle Date: 05 Dec 98 - 11:27 AM CLARIFICATION PLEASE
"Madcatter who posts a new tune to this forum.
I understand this to mean - an orginal tune - never before heard in context with words posted to the DT.... ie NOT the posting of a traditional tune that is correctly matched to its traditional lyrics.
Or is it, as Joe indicates, the posting of an "old tune" that is "new" to the mudcat?
Or could it be both???
Which is this correct? |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Dec 98 - 12:50 PM How come you can never find a lawyer when you need one? Hey, Tim Jaques, come and help us out with a couple of whereases and heretofores! John in Brisbane, why did you get me into this? We'll have to let John give us an explanation about the prize. What I'd suggest is that John can mail me a copy of the cassette, and I'll dub copies for people from the U.S. and Canada who submit tunes. John can take care of the rest of the world, or deputize somebody in Europe to help him out. OK, John? Regarding submissions: the primary need is for tunes to songs already in the database, the ones for which we do not yet have tunes. Secondarily, for "folk" songs not yet in the database - but please submit lyrics for them also. Submit them to this thread - we'll transfer them to other threads if needed. As for submitting tunes in formats other than ABC or MIDITXT, I'll make a ruling on that one: that doesn't qualify you for a prize, because part of this campaign is to encourage people to learn how to post tunes. But Alison should get a tape in recognition of her prolific tune posting. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Helen Date: 05 Dec 98 - 06:36 PM Andreas, This is a suggestion for your PC problem. If you download a free demo copy of Noteworthy (a music notation program) from this site: http://www.ntworthy.com/composer/ You can then enter the notes of the tune onto music staff lines. Then you can save it as a midi file (i.e. export the file through [file menu, export file] rather than saving it as a noteworthy file) and then e-mail the file to Joe. The main drawback is that you wouldn't be able to hear the music played to check its accuracy but I'm sure Joe would do that for you, hey Joe? Helen (PS - if I mentioned the dreaded C-word (copyright) with regards to this free tape offer would I get thrown out forcibly??) |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Paul Jay Date: 05 Dec 98 - 09:47 PM May those of us who are "alphabetically challenged" submit a tape of the tunes by snail mail? |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Dec 98 - 06:08 AM Well, Paul, most of us who can do that alphabet stuff don't have the ear for transcribing from a tape. If you can write it down in musical notation and fax or snailmail it to me, I can handle that. Click on my name and e-mail me, and I'll reply with my snail or fax address. Helen, I would be happy to check tunes Andreas submits. As for the c-word, for the sake of assumption, let's assume said recordings are old enough to be in the public domain. Well, at least they're very old recordings... But hey, the mail purpose of all this is to get tunes that are missing from the database. Tuneless lyrics are hard to sing. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Alice Date: 06 Dec 98 - 09:52 AM To complicate this more, is it ok to post (or email) a gif of the notation? |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Bill D Date: 06 Dec 98 - 11:23 AM Alice..in regard to that...I have been playing with the demo version of Noteworthy for about one hour!...It seems a very nice program...well worth registering...but I find that it is possible to enter a melody, say, of 'Barbry Allen' ..and with a 'screen capture' program, make a .gif, or .jpeg of it...which can then be printed,emailed or posted on a website. Screen capture programs differ in their complexity, (I have 3 or 4...CompuPic is one of the most powerful..it allows me to zoom and/or adjust the size of the file to fit the page. So..there are several options for relaying to others what tune goes with a song under discussion..if Dick & Max are able to work out a freeware program which does most of this...so much the better. I do emphasize, though, that for those who do a LOT of music notation, Noteworthy Composer is a quite economical way of composing, playing, printing...etc. your tunes.. |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Bill D Date: 06 Dec 98 - 11:28 AM (for instance, I have a very old Scottish songbook with printed scores...I could easily, now, enter one of those in response to a request, and send it by either midi or emailed .gif!...or both...)I do assume that this would be in public domain... |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Alice Date: 06 Dec 98 - 12:41 PM Hi, Bill. I have Concertware notation software (for a Mac) and it creates gifs (and midis). alice in montana |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Dec 98 - 07:45 PM Hi Joe and everyone who has replied to this thread - I am pleased that it has stimulated some interest.
As Alison has commented my offer was to send ONE special contributor a special prize, with Joe doomed to determine how that lucky person is to be chosen. Hope that this doesn't rain on your parade too much Joe.
My email is johninbrisbane@hotbot.com, but I will be out of contact for the next week.
Joe, the English language is a marvellous beast isn't it? My early education taught me that terrific=terrifying, fantastic=unbelievable, and that titivation of a partner's clothing was not necessarily titillation. It was somewhat later that I discovered that osculation and oscillation could peacefully co-exist.
Regards |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Dec 98 - 08:55 PM Still and all, we have 16 messages in this thread, and not one tune posted. OK, the criteria, now revised: - Entries should be posted HERE IN THIS THREAD in ABC or MIDITXT FORMAT. Period. No other formats accepted. Exclamation Point. This is to encourage people to learn how to post tunes here. - If the song is not in the database, please post the lyrics, too. -If you already post tunes on a regular basis, you probably won't win a prize, but we love you very much and are very proud of you. -If this is the first time you have ever posted a tune in your entire life, please call attention to that in your message. Even if you don't win the tape, we will issue you a virtual gold star. We will love you and be very proud of you, too; almost as much as we love the regular tune-posters. -Extra consideration will be given to a spirit of selflessness in the posting of tunes (i.e., don't make it too obvious that you're only posting the tune so you can win the tape. -The prize will go to a tune that is considered to be a significant addition to the Digital Tradition database, so don't bother posting tunes to James Taylor songs. -Even if you've never won a prize in your entire life and you don't expect (or want) to win this one, be nice and post a few tunes for us. -Other rules will be posted as they occur to me. So, how 'bout posting a tune, somebody? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Dec 98 - 09:47 PM I also like and use NoteWorthy Composer, and as many others will attest, believe that it is very good value. The Help Support is very understanding and responsive, and while normally restricted to registered users only, I will now fire off an email to them asking if first time users who wish to contribute to this contest can also receive support for the shareware version. In general though I would expect most new users to pick it up without any problems.
Regards
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Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: dick greenhaus Date: 06 Dec 98 - 09:58 PM To those who have tunes, and don't want to wrestle with ABC or MIDI or Noteworthy or MisicEase or SongWright, I can only point out that a photocopy and snailmail works fine, too. Much easier to deal with than GIFs, TIFFs and JPEGS. Less bandwidth, too. |
Subject: Tune Add: THE HERMIT (Oscar Brand?) From: BSeed Date: 06 Dec 98 - 11:49 PM I'd better try it one more time. There was an A that should have been an a, and a couple of apostrophes I need to fix, as well as a few too many spaces, thanks to my relative unfamiliarity with the < pre > command.
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Subject: Tune Add: BORNEO (Ken Cockrell) From: Barbara Date: 07 Dec 98 - 01:06 AM Well, so you all don't get bent for wont of pretty little red numbers, here's a tune and words, I thought we had a thread on it, but I couldn't find it. Blessings , Barbara (I know I don't qualify, Joe, but I thought it might be good to get some songs going)
MIDI file: borneo.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 6/8 36 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
As sung, and possibly ammended by Tom Lewis.
Yet in my mind the vision still is clear
They tell me now that ships are twice as long
Now as I sit on foggy ev-en-ings
And from my bed November mornings |
Subject: Tune Add: THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN From: John in Brisbane Date: 07 Dec 98 - 01:49 AM Hope that this is a tad above the James Taylor category, but here is one in the DT without a tune - there's plenty more though!
Regards THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN
MIDI file: dixie_nu.mid Timebase: 120 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: AndreasW Date: 07 Dec 98 - 05:25 AM Hi, thanks for your suggestions BUT: my musical abilities are only passive: I can listen to it, I can enjoy it (not all music, just the one I like), but I can't write it down, neither on paper nor with a program, as I don't have the ear for it. I know (roughly) what these dots and lines mean, but that's not enough... So it looks as if I'm out of the contest :-( Andreas
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Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: John in Brisbane Date: 22 Dec 98 - 11:19 PM Joe, I'll await the results of your very difficult adjudication. Will drop in tomorrow, but otherwise won't be available until first working week after New Year. Season's greetings to all tune posters.
Regards |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Dec 98 - 04:13 PM Well, I guess Seed wins, since he's the only person other than the regular tune posters who even tried to post a tune. Grump, grump. Now, can one of you ABC people fix the tune so it plays, and so the rest of us can see how it works? I was hoping for more success with this. I'll admit it is a challenge to learn how to post tunes. I put it off for a long time after Alan came up with MIDITXT. It took a really good song to convince me to learn - I think it was "Bury Me in My Overalls." I just had to share the song with somebody. Special recognition should go to Gene Graham and Ezio and a few others - while they haven't posted tunes here, they've posted songs for us on their own Web sites. John, send one tape to the following address: BSeed-Joe Offer- |
Subject: Tune Posting - The Honor Roll From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Dec 98 - 05:17 PM I thought it would be appropriate to recognize all the other people here at the "Cat who post tunes on a regular or not-so-regular basis. I did a Forum Search for X:, since I figured that was a term that should show up in every MIDITXT and ABC tune. There were 543 messages. I was led astray by a few messages that contained TX: FAX:, and, of course, MAX: - however, I think that most of those postings are actual tunes. The first tune posted was by Benjamin Hollister on 3 June 1997, followed by somebody named Carl. The first regular poster was Bruce Olson, who has posted a phenomenal number of ABC tunes, beginning 5 September 1997. There were many first-time posters in December, 1998. However, they didn't post in this thread, so they are disqualified from the contest. I think we should recognize all the people who post tunes here. It's a wonderful contribution. Here are their names, indroduced by an appropriate drum roll: Ian Kirk Barbara Millikan Brack& Helen MMario Bob Bolton Bruce O Alison John in Brisbane Jon W Baz Henrik W Joe Offer Ralph Butts Ian HP Alan of Australia PKD on Teesside Jerry Friedman Carl Benjamin Hollister Dick and Susan don't post tunes - they have the Keys to the Kingdon, so they put tunes directly into the database, and we thank them very much for all they have shared with us over the years. I should also mention that Alice, Murray, and Seed posted tunes that didn't work. Keep trying, folks. Somebody named Johnny posted an ABC and asked somebody to explain it - that doesn't count. Barry Finn copied and posted a tune I posted in another thread - that doesn't count, either, but we think Barry is just grand, anyhow. So, that's the story. It's pretty impressive to think that all these people would learn a fairly complex computer procedure, just so they could share songs with their friends. -Joe Offer- Oh, Seed, if you think John should send your tape to a more specific address, contact him. |
Subject: RE: Tune Posting - the contest From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 Dec 98 - 06:31 PM Great work Joe, and congrats to BSeed. Because there was no second place winner, they will be spared the pleasure of a copy of my greatest hits.
BSeed, please email me on johninbrisbane@hotbot.com or let me know when you're dropping into Brisbane to collect personally.
Merry Christmas |
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