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John Leslie 06 Dec 98 - 04:47 PM
Susan of DT 06 Dec 98 - 04:53 PM
Barry Finn 06 Dec 98 - 08:53 PM
Art Thieme 07 Dec 98 - 12:19 AM
Snuffy 02 Nov 00 - 07:31 PM
Snuffy 02 Nov 00 - 07:39 PM
kendall 02 Nov 00 - 09:16 PM
GUEST,Barry Finn 02 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM
Abby Sale 02 Nov 00 - 10:47 PM
GUEST,Barry Finn 03 Nov 00 - 12:14 AM
kendall 03 Nov 00 - 10:08 AM
GUEST,Paul Burke 03 Nov 00 - 10:25 AM
Margo 03 Nov 00 - 11:59 AM
MMario 03 Nov 00 - 12:06 PM
Abby Sale 03 Nov 00 - 12:49 PM
Abby Sale 03 Nov 00 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,magpie 03 Nov 00 - 04:41 PM
Snuffy 04 Nov 00 - 06:10 PM
GUEST,Bman 06 Oct 02 - 10:53 PM
Mark Cohen 07 Oct 02 - 03:02 AM
IanC 07 Oct 02 - 06:40 AM
Teribus 07 Oct 02 - 07:17 AM
Mr Red 07 Oct 02 - 07:59 AM
Charley Noble 07 Oct 02 - 08:24 AM
Barry Finn 07 Oct 02 - 08:33 PM
Amos 07 Oct 02 - 08:51 PM
GUEST,Bman 07 Oct 02 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,sid 19 Dec 02 - 03:37 PM
Noreen 19 Dec 02 - 03:59 PM
Dead Horse 19 Dec 02 - 05:46 PM
Snuffy 19 Dec 02 - 08:03 PM
GUEST,Andy 20 Dec 02 - 10:33 AM
Joe Offer 06 Jan 08 - 02:59 AM
Mrs_Annie 30 Jul 08 - 03:13 PM
greg stephens 08 Sep 08 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,Serin McDaniel 11 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM
John Minear 21 Apr 10 - 10:34 AM
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greg stephens 22 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM
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Subject: Shalo Brown
From: John Leslie
Date: 06 Dec 98 - 04:47 PM

Can anyone give me the words to a sea song called Shalo Brown. I am aware I may have not spelt the word Shalo correctly. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Susan of DT
Date: 06 Dec 98 - 04:53 PM

Put [shallow brown] with the square brackets in the blus search box above for two versions


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Subject: ADD Version: Shallow Brown
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Dec 98 - 08:53 PM

Here's a version not yet in the DT (grin). This would be slow & mournful.

Shallow Brown

O, I'm going to leave you
Shallow, O Shallow Brown
O, I'm going to leave you
Shallow, O Shallow Brown

Ship on board a whaler
O, Shallow Brown (2X)

Bound away for St George's

Love you well, Juliana

Massa going to sell me

Sell me to the Yankee

Sell me for the dollar

Great big Spanish dollar


The spelling could be anything from Challo, Shallow & Shiloh. Hugill points to this as West Indian in origin, saying Challo is West Indian for half caste & that this song passed through the cotton ports of the south as a cotton screwing chant. I'd add on to that, (aside form this version possibly being of the older versions) that some of the cotton plantations ran their own ships & supplied them with their own slave crews when the land work was slow. These ships traded in all North Alantic & Caribbean ports & that the hope of some was to jump ship in Haiti or England or go whaling or sailoring elsewhere, rather than be slave hands to be resold as needed. Barry


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Dec 98 - 12:19 AM

A beautiful version is on Cindy Mangsen's new CD---SONGS OF EXPERIENCE


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 07:31 PM

One of the two versions of Shallow Brown in the DT is without a tune. It would go to the tune given, but here are some more versions and 5 more tunes, all taken from Stan Hugill's Shanties of the Seven Seas. The first one is extremely unsentimental.

SHALLOW BROWN

Oh! Shallow in the mornin',
Ooh! Shallow, ooh! Shallow brown!
Just as the day wuz dawnin',
Ooh! Shallow, ooh! Shallow brown!

She is a bright mulatter,
She hails from Cincinatter. [Saccarappa, Antiguer]

Come put me clothes in order,
The packet sails termorrer.

Once you were sweet and cheery, [like a fairy]
But now you are contrary.

For ye are fat an' lazy,
Ye nearly drive me crazy.

My half-pay ye've spent like chaff,
Ye'd like the other half.

Ye boozed me pay away,
But ye've had yer last pay day.

The packet sails termorrer,
I'll leave yer without sorrer.

Me clothes are all in pawn,
I'm bound around the Horn.

She won't miss me when I'm gone,
She'll hook some other bum.

Goin' away termorrer,
Bound away termorrer.

A more sentimental version (very close to DT's Shallow Brown 2) gives verses 1-3 the same, then:

I'm bound away to leave yer,
I never will deceive yer.

I long to look upon yer,
I spend me money on yer.

Ye are me only treasure,
I love ye to full measure.

The packet sails termorrer,
I'll leave yer with much sorrer.

In the cradle lies me baby,
I want no other lady.

My wife & baby grieves me,
`Tis a pain for me to leave ye.

Be up the pier ter meet me,
With kisses I will greet thee.

Goin' away termorrer,
Bound away termorrer.

According to Hugill, both versions were sung to any of the three following tunes:

X: 164
T:Shallow Brown (a)
M:2/4
L:1/8
Q:127
B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill
N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2
K:EMix %(3 sharps)
%Intro
E|A A2 E|AA E3/2||
%Verse
E/|E3 A|c/B/A cB-|Bz F2|B B2 F|BB F2|
d2 cB|A3 E|A A2 E|A A2 E|AA E2|

X: 165
T:Shallow Brown (b)
M:C|
L:1/4
Q:1/4=80
B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill
N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2
K:CMIX %(1 Flat)
F|
C>D FG |A G2 G|G>A GF|D3 D|
B>A G>F|D2 CD|F>C DF|C3 ||

X: 166
T:Shallow Brown (c)
M:C|
L:1/4
Q:1/4=100
S:Davies & Tozer, Sailor Songs or 'Chanties', London 1887
B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill
N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN
K:Ab
A|
EF AB|c2(BF)|{F}Bz {F}Bz|{F}Bz zA|
FF GA|(BF) D2|{F}Az {F}Az|{F}Az z||


Hugill also gives two versions from C J Sharp:

O I'm going to leave her,
Shallow, o Shallow Brown.
O I'm going to leave her,
Shallow, o Shallow Brown.

Ship on board a whaler.
Shallow, o Shallow Brown etc

Bound away to St George's.

Love you well, Juliana.

Massa going to sell me.

Sell me to a Yankee.

Sell me for the dollar.

Great big Spanish dollar.

X: 167
T:Shallow Brown (d) (Oh I'm Going To Leave Her)
M:4/4
L:1/4
Q:1/4=90
S:C J Sharp, English Folk-Chanteys, London 1914
B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill
N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2
K:DMix %(1 Sharp)
DG B>A|G A3|A A2 B|AG E2|
BB A>G|E D3|E G2 D|EG D2||


A Yankee ship came down the river,
Shallow, o Shallow Brown.
A Yankee ship came down the river,
Shallow, o Shallow Brown.

Hugill says "Sharp's version, although it has the refrain of Shallow Brown, has in fact the solo words of Blow, Boys, Blow and the solo tune of Hilo, Boys, Hilo". He gives no more verses, but merely states "Sharp gives four more verses taken from Blow, Boys Blow"

X: 163
T:Shallow Brown (Sharp)
M:3/4
L:1/8
S:C J Sharp, English Folk-Chanteys, London 1914
B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill
N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2
K:A
%Intro
A<(A-(3AGF)E2|
M:2/4 L:1/8
A<A E2|
M:3/4 L:1/8
=G<(G-(3GFE)D2|=G<G D3||
%Verse
D|
M:2/4 L:1/8
A>B AE|A>B A<A|
M:3/4 L:1/8
A<(A-(3AGF)E2|A<A E3E|
M:2/4 L:1/8
=G>A GD|=G>A G<G|
M:3/4 L:1/8
=G<(G-(3GFE)D2|=G<G D3||


Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 07:39 PM

I just realised that Barry Finn already posted the words for the first of Sharp's versions. Sorry for thr duplication!

Wassail!V


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 09:16 PM

Barry, thats my favorite version..maybe we could sing it on the 18th?


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM

Great song would you take the lead Kendall. Thanks to Abby Sale I recently came upon another West Indian version of Shalo Brown that I'm working on learning as soon as I can make out all the words but the chorus goes:
"Shallow Brown is a white mulatter,
Spend my money on the whores on shore"

Barry


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Abby Sale
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:47 PM

Barry: It's not in the book? BTW, don't forget the boon required.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:14 AM

Hi Abby, I'm still so overwhelmed that it's scope is still sinking in, the boon well be forth coming though & the song won't be sung (if I get to learning it) aside from friends until the book is out or longer depending on the wishes. Love & Thanks, Barry


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 10:08 AM

sure Barry, I'll do the lead..dont know if I can get the verses in the right order, but, with this kind of song, it doesn't matter that much.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 10:25 AM

The Kippers did a beautiful parody of this:

I bought my wife a breadknife, hollow ground...

I notice it's not in Digitrad. Somebody post it! (I can't get used to the linebreaks)


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Margo
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 11:59 AM

Interestingly, I read that Shallo Brown was a boardinghouse master. I've seen that name mentioned in other shanteys but in passing. Has anyone else seen that reference? Margo


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: MMario
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:06 PM

haven't seen that reference - but seen "boardinghouse master" used as a synonym for "pimp"


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Abby Sale
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:49 PM

Hugill suggests it may be from a French 'Challot' [sp], a West Indian word for mulatto. I'd suggest (or at least hope) that the sad love lines ('leave you' 'not deceive you' etc) are to a girl & not a boardinghouse master.

MMario: "boardinghouse master" used as a synonym for "pimp" Yes, but indirectly I think - as in "one who is like a pimp." Any boardinghouse master seeking sailor trade had damn well better have a full-service establishment. See, eg, "Liverpool Judies."

Barry: Gad, yes. On my third pass I found I'd marked off ALL of them as essential. :)

In a different thread - asking for oldest sea songs - I can't find it and I wanted to reread it, too -- Barry mentioned two sea song records at Lib of Cong Folklife/Broadcast & Recorded Sound Division. I have many of them (including, I'm proud to say, most of a dozen of the old red vinyl LPs but no 78 rpm's - although the first time I heard them was at U Penn on 78s) But I don't have the sea songs. Look good. The internet info has moved from gopher to the web and can be found at Clicky This gives all the titles & also track lists. All, as promised are still available but on cassette now. They've been trying to convince Rounder to take over the whole schmere for ages but no. For now you get the ordering info at that site then phone or mail.

This is a vital resource & there's endless good stuff.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Abby Sale
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:55 PM

Barry: I meant don't you have Deep the Water? I'm sure I've seen you quote (accurately, too) from it. Most of the words are in there. It's the tunes that knock me out.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,magpie
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:41 PM

Just came to this site looking for words to Holobalooballay - found them up above, but noticed it was the boarding house mistress who ran off with Shalo Brown....


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Nov 00 - 06:10 PM

Paul & Mario

"Hollow Ground" by the Kippers is in my Fall 99 download of the DT with a tune (but not quite the tune that the Kippers use!)

Wassail! V


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Subject: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: GUEST,Bman
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 10:53 PM

Here's a question which has been bothering me for years. I knew of two songs that refer to a person named Shallow Brown: Go to Sea Once More -- "As I was walking down the street I met with Shallow Brown/I asked him if he would take me on, he looked at me with a frown," and Hullabaloo Belay -- "One day when me father was out of town/Me mother ran off with Shallo Brown." Two references makes it likely, in my mind, that this person really existed. His character seems not to have been of the best. Just for giggles, I looked in the lyric database, and lo! and behold! Shallow Brown has a song all of his own, although he seems to have changed gender. Wonderful what can happen on the Mudcat. I figure this forum is the place to find out, if there's any place in the world. Can anyone help? This has been bugging me in a quietly desperate way for many years now, and I never thought I'd get an answer.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 03:02 AM

In Stan Hugill's Shanties from the Seven Seas, he says:

"[Shallow Brown] started life as a pumping song. It is I feel of West Indian origin, some singers giving the refrain of 'Challo Brown' -- 'Challo' being a West Indian word of Carib extraction meaning a 'half-caste', and heard as far afield as the ports of Chile."

Hugill lists four versions of Shallow Brown, not counting other songs featuring that name. He goes on to say,

"At some time or other this Negro song pased through the shanty mart and was used by the cotton hoosiers of Mobile as a cotton-screwing chant. Sometimes the wording would be that of Sally Brown, and 'Oh, Sally Brown' would be substituted for 'Oh, Shallow Brown' in the refrains."

He also mentions a fragment called Shiloh Brown, which is "a version of what appears at first glance to be Shallow Brown but which in actual fact is a variant of Tom's Gone to Hilo."

There may be more information in the "related threads" link at the top of the page, but I was too lazy to check them.

So, I guess the songs are referring to a generic character rather than a historical person. But I'm sure that if you created a biography of Shallow Brown and started passing it around shanty sings, it would soon become the received truth!

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: IanC
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:40 AM

Bman

In "Going to Sea No More", it's normally Rapper Brown ... who was, reputedly, a real person.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 07:17 AM

The versions I've heard refer to Rapper Brown, or Old rapper Brown. As IanC mentions above, he was a real person, in Liverpool. Like Paddy West he provided vessel masters who were short of crew with the hands they required.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 07:59 AM

So the shallow ground is derivative rather than originating?
Discuss...........


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 08:24 AM

Or if not "Rapper Brown" I've heard "Shanghai Brown", a outrageous crimp from 19th century San Francisco who is said to have learned his trade from his father, and upon the death of his father shipped him out as a corpse...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 08:33 PM

Another member of the Brown family & a some what cousin to Sally is the West Indian, Feeney Brown.
Barry


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 08:51 PM

In the old shanty "Hullabaloo Belay", as I learned it, the "fresh young fellow named Shallo Brown" was the wicked interloper.

In the Great Lakes region the song called "Shallo Brown" was collected in Songs of the Great Lakes , Collected by William Doerflinger

A .


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Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person?
From: GUEST,Bman
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 10:16 PM

Thanks, y'all, for the input; something to think about. Regards.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,sid
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 03:37 PM

does anyone know where Nic Jones's verses come from.He sings Sally Brown as a hidden track on the unearthed album.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Noreen
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 03:59 PM

That scrap is from a different song, sid (interesting, isn't it!)
Sally Brown was a fine mulatter
Wey, hey, Roll and Go!


Can see it at the contemplator site here: http://www.contemplator.com/folk5/sallyb.html (click here)


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Dead Horse
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 05:46 PM

Words to most verses posted here are from other shanties, which was the norm. Any shanty could be sung if it was of the single line Verse-Refrain-Verse-Refrain pattern.
My preference is for Challow Brown, when singing the slow, mournfull version, and for the faster, up tempo tune I use:-
Shallow, shallow, in the mornin'
Shallow, oh shallow Brown
Shallow as the day is dawnin'
Shallow, oh shallow Brown.


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 08:03 PM

Not forgetting the other Sally Brown, Noreen:

I shipped on board of a Liverpool Liner
Way, hey, Roll and Go!


WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: Shalo Brown
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 10:33 AM

Realy interesting how lyrics develop by words being misheard or mispronounced. Shallow brown, was the warning cry given by lookouts on cotton traders around the coasts of south and central America. Being mainly sub tropical rainforested areas, the rivers running through these areas are mostly dark (tannin stained) or muddy brown. This brown water emties into the sea and hugs the coastal shallows before being diluted and dispersed,also most ports are situated at rivermouths or upriver,therefore if asailor spotted brown water he could be sure he was getting into the shallows and was near a rivermouth and port.


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Subject: ADD Version: Shallo Brown
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 02:59 AM

Here's a nice version from Helen Schneyer's What a Singing There Will Be:


Shallo Brown
Traditional

I am goin'for to leave you
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
I am goin'for to leave you
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

I am goin''cross the ocean
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
I am goin''cross the ocean
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

How I love you, Julianna
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
Love you well, Julianna
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

My master's goin' to sell me
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
My master's goin' to sell me
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

He will ship me on a whaler
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
He will send me by a whaler
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

He will sell me to a Yankee
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
For that great big Spanish dollar
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown

Julianna, Julianna
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown
Julianna, Julianna, Julianna
Shallo, oh Shallo Brown


Helen's notes: Don't remember from whom I learned this.
It in not a work shanty but a fo'c's'le song.
There is a brisker version for raising anchor.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:13 PM

This song was beautifully sung by Norma Waterson on Monday night at the Barbican in London, at the end of the Rogues Gallery concert. With a backing chorus of most of the participants.
Never heard it before.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:51 PM

Here, at Boat Band Myspace are two versions I am quite pleased with The one labelled "brass" is the brass part of an extended version the Boat Band did twenty years ago,and the one labelled "Rap Shallow Brown" is a rough recording done a week ago when we were working out some ideas with Rhythm'n'Grime. They are a group of Manchester rap/hip hop/drum'n'bass people (I am never too sure of the terminology). Anyway, we were playing around with some old songs and tunes and adding a young/black viewpoint to the mix, and the youngsters were very taken with the song. I-Deal started singing along, so I stretched out the song a bit to leave some space for MC Meistro to fit in a rap bit in each verse, and it came out pretty well.
We are also working on much more electronic mix of this (and some Manchester Hornpipe type tunes, see an acoustic "Rap Manchester Hornpipe") and in due course they will doubtless find their way onto CD.
We should acknowledge the help of property developers Urban Splash in funding this collaboration. The link will take to a a bit of a blog about the project, as well as the recordings.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: GUEST,Serin McDaniel
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM

I first heard this in a recording from John Wesley Harding's Love Hall Tryst, and then from June Tabor.

I've wondered whether there might be a connection to "Shenandoah" -- partly because of the sound similarity between "Shallow Brown" and "Shenandoah/Shannadore" and partly because of the "I'm goin' to leave you" lines.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: John Minear
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:34 AM

Is there more than the one verse to the "Shallow Brown" presented by Hugill (c) from the Davis & Tozer collection? I don't have access to Davis & Tozer, and if there are more verses or any comments, I would greatly appreciate it is somebody would post this information. Here is what Hugill has:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WOQ9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA259&dq=Davis+%26+Tozer+present+another+tune:+SHALLOW+BROWN+(c)&cd=1#v=onepage

Also, does anyone have the "Shiloh Brown" version published by Edith Fowke in her collection SEA SONGS AND BALLADS FROM NINETEENTH-CENTURY NOVA SCOTIA: THE WILLIAM H. SMITH COLLECTION? I would also appreciate it if someone could post that version as well. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: John Minear
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 11:50 AM

Anybody want to share the Davis & Tozer - that's: Davis, J. & Tozer, Ferris: SAILOR SONGS, OR "CHANTIES". Boosey & Co., Ltd., London, 1887 - version of "Shallow Brown"? Hugill gives the first verse and the tune. Is there more? And do they talk about where their version comes from?

Also, I'm still looking for Edith Fowke's version entitled "Shiloh Brown". Where does it come from in Nova Scotia (or beyond), and what is the date?

I appreciate any help on this.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM

Here is yet another version of the Boat Band singing Shallow Brown (with the full-on brass at the end)


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:43 PM

From Davis & Tozer, Third Ed. (1906). The song is not in the First Edition of ca1887, and no copies of the Second (1888) seem to be available.

SHALLOW BROWN

Come get my clothes in order,
Shallow, shallow [sic] Brown
I'm off across the border,
Shallow, shallow [sic] Brown.

My ship will sail to-morrow,...
I'll leave you without sorrow,....

Once you were like a fairy,...
But now are the contrary,....

For you are cross and lazy,...
And soon will drive me crazy,....

The packet sails to-morrow,...
I'll leave you without sorrow,....

Come get my clothes in order,...
I'm off across the border,....


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 08:05 PM

Fowke's version, from a 1940 ms. prepared by T. Brenton Smith from the recollection of his father, William H. Smith (1867-1955) of Liverpool, Nova Scotia.

SHILOH BROWN

Oh Shiloh had a baby;
Shiloh Shiloh Brown;
It was born on a Sunday;
Shiloh Shiloh Brown;
And they sent it to school on a Monday;
Shiloh Shiloh Brown.

Oh my Lord, what a baby;
Shiloh Shiloh Brown;
It's Oh my Lord, what a baby;
Shiloh Shiloh Brown.

William H. Smith's note: "Sung by Nova Scotia sailors. Never heard this sung by foreign sailors. Jim Hensey, colored man of Liverpool, who was only one voyage, so far as I know, sung it a lot.
Jim Hensey and local sailors sang this frequently at launchings, quite lately. (TBS has heard this sung at launchings)."

It's interesting that Smith seems to have heard the song frequently from several singers over many years yet could only recall these few uninspired verses, related to the nursery rhyme "Solomon Grundy." Someone, I forget who, also heard similar verses to "Reuben Ranzo.'


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: John Minear
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 11:21 PM

Lighter, thanks for these two versions. I had wondered if the Davis & Tozer one was in his first edition or later. I would say that neither of these versions help with an "earlier" dating.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown
From: shipcmo
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 08:18 AM

is there any way to set up a trace from inside a thread?
Thanks, Geo


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