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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:04 PM But nevertheless with a kernel of truth in it. Not even the most ardent of neo-Nazis could ever be as effective at spreading anti-Semitism as you are, Martin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:56 PM weak reply, CarolC Weak and extremely pathetic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:47 PM Sorry, Martin. The people you are describing are your buddies. Not mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:43 PM Your liberal buddies, Carolc. Your anti-semetic liberal buddies, CarolC. Your Israel hating liberal buddies, CarolC. That's who. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:27 PM And actually, I am asking because I wanted to know if your idea of what is going to happen is in keeping with what my born-again, fundamentalist Christian mother believed was going to happen to them. She believed they would all be killed and/or converted to Christianity. And she considered herself to be on their side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:24 PM What liberal buddies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Susu's Hubby Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:21 PM CarolC, Since I believe that the Jews are and were God's chosen people, then they too will go to Heaven along with Christians. I believe that God made a promise to Abraham and I also believe that God made a promise to Christians that if they are faithful and follow him then they would be afforded a place in Heaven. Now, are you asking sincerely because of your lack of knowledge or are you just trying to play to your liberal buddies and trying to demonize those that don't see things your way? Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Ebbie Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:01 PM oooooh, Carol C. Now you've done it. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 27 Apr 05 - 01:55 PM Susu's Hubby, according to your own belief system, what is going to happen to the Jews in what is now Israel when the end times come? |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Ebbie Date: 27 Apr 05 - 01:53 PM "But the new anti-semitism is now coming from the left where it really didn't seem to exist before. That's the point. Israel is now considered an oppressor like never before." Does anyone else have a serious problem with that kind of reasoning? Israel, as a GOVERNMENT, as ANY government, can have and should have its policies analyized and it is proper to criticise its effects, even its goals. Criticism of a GOVERNMENT does not equate to bias against its people. In this country (USA), "intellectuals" in the past have frequently been Jews. Look at the Algonquin Round Table, some of the most vibrant and creative minds were in evidence there, and most of them were Jews. (By the way, why do we say "JewISH"? We don't say "MethodistISH" or "CatholicISH". Does "Jewish" imply that the person is KIND OF a Jew?) Some of the most respected, trusted and statesmanlike minds, politically and in literature, in this country TODAY are Jews. MOST of the Jews on Mudcat appear to be reasonable people, people I would like to know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: GUEST,Arnie Date: 27 Apr 05 - 12:00 PM I am Jewish - I understand is that we as Jewish people were chosen from other nations to follow in the footsteps of Abraham and obey the commandments of the Torah and its precepts. The classification of Jews as "The Chosen People" and also events surounding the death of Jesus and Christianity has allowed for continued anti-semetism to fester throughout history. I don't know what Liberal or Right wing has to do with all this. Most antisemites and racists I know of are right wingers, but not all by any means. The Republican right wing policies mostly scare me and I have no trust in their lying and mostly hidden agendas. There is always a risk of renewed and heightened anti-semetism in the world which unfortunately needs to be addressed constantly or we all know what could happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Pied Piper Date: 27 Apr 05 - 11:15 AM Beneath contempt |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 27 Apr 05 - 10:02 AM Thank you, Hubby. I couldn't have said it better myself. Pied Piper is a great example of the anti-semitism that keeps rearing itself on Mudcat. I am truly proud of the heritage of my people. L'dor v'dor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Susu's Hubby Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:30 AM "Martin considers himself one of Gods chosen people because of his Jewish decent." "That makes him a racist and beneath contempt." Of all the stupid things that I've seen in print on this site this one has got to take the prize. If you would pick up a book and read about the Jews and their history or even turn on the TV and watch the news you would see that there is NO talk of the Jews being a racist people. The Jews just want to peacefully coexist in the region. They're not the ones that are sending homocide bombers to their deaths. They're trying to defend their right to have their own country. If you would actually try to understand the region and understand what is going on then you would realize that some Jews and Arabs do peacefully co-exist in Jerusalem. They do try to work together for the greater good. The Jews consider themselves the chosen people of God but I have never seen it flaunted as an "in your face sort of way". MG may have an "in your face" attitude but as far as his heritage is concerned, I've never seen him try to elevate himself above others because of the fact that he is Jewish. Pied Piper, go blow your flute elsewhere and stop making yourself show your true intelligence. It's really not that flattering. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: robomatic Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:29 AM Bloodnok: Are you English? Seagoon: Only by descent. Bloodnok: By descent? Seagoon: I came down by parachute! |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: freda underhill Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:15 AM AntiSemitism has been on the rise in Australia in the last three years. bigotry of all sorts is on the rise here. Many Jews in Australia are compassionate, intelligent, and outspoken on human rights issues. The Jewish community in Australia has a history of working closer with Australian Aboriginal people than many other communities here, funding a number of programs. and Australian aboriginals spoke out against the treatment of jews in Nazi germany in 1938. Both groups understand each other as persecuted people. Jews in Astralia have called for compassion for refugees who are detained. The exhaustion people feel about hearing abut the Holocaust etc is the same exhaustion that makes people change the channel when news of refigees in Africa comes on. its called compassion fatigue - people get saturated and have had enough. Martin, your abusive language often loses its charm. I think I have Martin Fatigue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: mooman Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:33 AM There is certainly some evidence that anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe (though not in my country I'm pleased to say). Here's a clicky link to a BBC article on the rise of antisemitism in Europe Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: harpgirl Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:19 AM bullshit to lepus/marvin and not to dianavan. come on lepus, you are so intelligent in your real self that you could be accepted challenging those you challenge hiding behind your fake persona. please drop this character. he is ruining our enjoyment of our discourse. it's only one step away from my complaints about your earlier campaign to challenge the old timer's stodgy leftism before you made up marvin. it's antisocial and divisive. you're almost thirty one now and you teach hooligansin high school. you're not one of them anymore |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Pied Piper Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:37 AM Martin considers himself one of Gods chosen people because of his Jewish decent. That makes him a racist and beneath contempt. PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Pied Piper Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:31 AM dianavan Martin knows your a Marxist Socialist because you disagree with him. Enough said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:46 PM Rustic, I never saw your post before it was bleeped. I'm sorry you feel such overwhelming guilt, but if it makes you feel better, apology accepted and we can move on. dianavan, to me you represent everything that is wrong with the radical left-wing. Typically, you can dish it out but cannot take it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Rustic Rebel Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:09 PM To Martin and all the folks involved on this thread, I want to apologize for my posts last night. Martin, I am sorry for the shit that spewed from my mouth and know, that I realize I was way out of line. Please accept my apology everyone for littering this thread with the offensive posting. With sincere apologies, Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: harpgirl Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:23 PM bullshit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: dianavan Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:12 PM Funny, Martin, that you have no idea who I am and yet consider me a Marxist Socialist. What makes you think that? I certainly am not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:44 PM harpgirl, I am not lepus Rex. Please check with Brucie or perhaps Little Hawk to that affect. They know me as well as any here and I am sure will vouch for that. sorry to disappoint you. You can go back to putting on your makeup now or better yet, be a sweetie and make coffee for all of us? OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: harpgirl Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM well, lepus, you sound more like yourself in the above post. time to drop the pose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:29 PM Pied Piper, of course I consider myself to be one of god's chosen people. It is what the Torah teaches. You should consider the Torah sometimes. It is, after all the law of the Parent religion. Do you consider yourself to be one of an Irish bar's chosen people? I'm sure you do. Hat's off to some good thinkers here who recognize the importance of this article. I read and understand it, please do not make excuses for your own uncomnfortableness with the subject or underestimate what I know about this subject.
Hubby and robomatic and yes, Amos had good posts on this. Yes, the far right can be anti-semitic, also. However, there is none of that on this forum as there is with the leftist morons.
guest, gilda, you are a phony or just a fenimist joke suffering from penis envy. One of those is true, if not both. More than likely, you're just one of my usual detractors bent out of shape because I am so inside your head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: robomatic Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:15 PM CarolC??????? Holy Hannah!! Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Pied Piper Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:50 AM I'd just like to apologies for using the word fool that I thought I'd edited out as being unnecessarily provocative, but the rest I think is pertinent. "Either I'm to sensitive or else I'm getting soft" PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: CarolC Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:28 AM Beautiful post, robomatic (at 26 Apr 05 - 10:06 AM). |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: M.Ted Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:04 AM As usual, Martin misses a lot--he missed this rather important basic idea from George Will's article-- >But as anti-Semitism migrates across the political spectrum from right to left, it infects the >intelligentsia..." Anti-Semitism was created and kept alive on the right, and from there it is being exported everywhere else. Martin likes to mouth right-wing rhetoric,(well, he can't really express very well himself, so he posts links to it)--he still hasn't caught on to the fact that these people are the real enemies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:16 AM Seems to me anyone who wants to take the Bible literally has a long way to go. You could spend lifetimes trying rationalize it!! I guess some folks actually have!! As I said earlier the critical thing is to leave the rationalizations and the justifications behind and communicate honestly as individuals. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: robomatic Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:06 AM PP: you wrote: Only a fool or someone with a religiously impaired cognitive immune system would mistake the folktales in the Bible for historical fact. How do negotiate a peace in the Middle East if one side says " it's our land because God gave it too us 4,000 years ago"? There are a lot of people in the world who take those concepts a hell of a lot more seriously than you. You don't have to believe the words for yourself in order to respect the opinions of others who are, by the way, perfectly willing to kill over those words or words from other books that they have been brought up to venerate. Regarding the 'Biblical' history of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. I have heard Christians go on from that to assume that Jews feel 'superior' to Arabs because the Arabs are descended from Abraham's 'handmaid'. I personally have never run into Jews saying that, writing that, or even talking that way. Consider that Jews teach themselves and others that they (we) are descended from slaves. To me the story inherent in the Old Testament is one big lesson in humility. I've met many Israelis and many Arabs and as far as native appearances and capabilities are concerned, there is a lot of similarity between both these intelligent, tenacious, frustrating peoples. Even in the Old Testament it is clear that there were people living in the land before the sons of Israel took it for themselves. You can justify either side, the current Israelis, and the current Arab Palestinians, with either the right of conquest or the Will of God. What people like Yitzhak Rabin and Ezer Weizman (who passed away this week) ultimately learned was that you have to arrive at a place from which you can make peace, and as difficult as that is, it is way way better than killing and being killed. Considering that Europe didn't learn that lesson until the latest couple of generations, and the TWO most horrific wars in all human history, I don't think any of us have much to feel superior about from any angle. We should feel that we have a lot of work to do and pray that we be capable of it, and we should get started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Susu's Hubby Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:21 AM Perfessor, you are correct....I was meaning to say Arabs and not muslims. Thank you, Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Pied Piper Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:49 AM Only a fool or someone with a religiously impaired cognitive immune system would mistake the folktales in the Bible for historical fact. How do negotiate a peace in the Middle East if one side says " it's our land because God gave it too us 4,000 years ago"? While I'm here Martin, do you consider yourself to be one of Gods chosen people? PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: GUEST,The ol' perfessor Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:49 AM The Jews and Muslims have been fighting with each other ever since the days of Abraham. Why? Because both peoples were started with Abraham. The Jews are actually brothers with the Muslims. They're fighting over the same parcel of land because God promised Abraham that his descendants would be the chosen people. Now since both are his descendants then who has the rightful claim? The Jews and Muslims have not been fighting ever since the days of Abraham. Biblical legend has it that Abraham founded what would become the Jewish religion 2000+ years before the time of Christ. Muhammad founded Islam about 600 years after the time of Christ. You're probably confusing Muslims with Arabs. Legend has it that Arabs are descended from Ishmael, the illegitimate son of Abraham and Hagar (Sarah's handmaid). According to legend, Jews are descended from Isaac, the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah. The first Arabs in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories only arrived as conquerers in Muhammad's later years, close to 3,000 years after the Jews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: GUEST,The ol' perfessor Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:37 AM I'm certainly not a Marxist nor do I know any Marxists. Marxism kinda went out of style with Feminism and everyone knows that Stalin was an asshole. I guess you've never set foot on the campus of any North American or European university. The faculties are filled with Marxists and feminists. I would also suggest that a totalitarian dictator responsible for 20 million deaths is beyond being classified as "an asshole." |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Susu's Hubby Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:03 AM I think that everybody needs to study their history and consider a little scriptural history whenever thinking about the Israel/Muslim conflict. The Jews and Muslims have been fighting with each other ever since the days of Abraham. Why? Because both peoples were started with Abraham. The Jews are actually brothers with the Muslims. They're fighting over the same parcel of land because God promised Abraham that his descendants would be the chosen people. Now since both are his descendants then who has the rightful claim? I believe that the Jews have a rightful claim to the land. (and as of 1948 so did the rest of the world.) The Arabic people were introduced upon this earth because of sin in Abraham's family. That doesn't mean that they're cursed but it does mean that they were not the ones originally chosen to specifically be God's chosen people. The Bible isn't only a book you can read in church. It is rich in history and can be a good learning tool. When I read Martin's posts, I read a lot of sensitivity from him about this subject. Maybe that sensitivity is justified seeing the nature of a lot of posters here. Amos has probably been the most even in his analysis and has posted some good thoughts on this subject. The article from George Will has really hit the nail on the head. But I think a lot of you refuse to see that. Maybe because it's you that the article is about. Think about it. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Rustic Rebel Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:27 AM okay. That's the kind of shit I have really been wanting to say, but I take anything back that seems offensive or sly.(giggle, shake, make laugh, glee, make happy, ha ha) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Rustic Rebel Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:19 AM Martin,[bleep - for antisocial behavior] Your balls are tight and your lips are bright red!, You should be eating Captin crunch, but your gut tells you to eat my sister's, cousins, girlfriends, mother's ,cunt, instead. I am astonished that I am replying to this thread, But Martin, you motherfucker, I am getting really sick of you coming into a thread ,and turning it into a rotting corpse of illogical, irrational tripe piece of ordinary, cow shit with a side of goat fuck , mixed with conventional pig turd and your saliva that has a consistancy of drooling ,together to form a solvent that is lethal to man and cockroach. Therefore leaving a small space of the practical to speak up... Shut the fuck up for the moment you ant, let us say anything that you wouldn't consider ...............Fuck it..............Hey Martin.......Who the fuck are you ?Have you lost your path to sanity along the way? I really want to know.............. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: dianavan Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:52 AM I have never heard anyone say the Karl Marx was a god. Nor have I heard anyone say they are a Marxist on this forum. Besides that, Marxism has evolved just like every other political ideaology. I'm certainly not a Marxist nor do I know any Marxists. Marxism kinda went out of style with Feminism and everyone knows that Stalin was an asshole. So what is it you are on about? Get to the point or is it just that you like calling people names and using derogatory language? and yes... I do read most of what you post but this anti-semitism rant you are on says more about your persecution complex than it does about Mudcatters. Go tell it to someone who cares. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: mg Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:38 AM I think that we should give Palestinians at least the respect of calling them Palestinians. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:08 AM America, on the whole does NOT suck. It is a gran country full of fine, energetic, bright people with courage and vision. That's a bit less than half of them, anyway. But unfortunately, grand country though she is, she has fallen into the evil hands of people who want to twist and distort her basic nature, make her take on qualities she never had, and force her to do things against her nature, such as unilateral invasions and the slaughter of civilians. These things are not part of the greatness of this country; rather, they are part of her most psychotic nightmares, shared by the minority and run up the flag in place of her actual ideals when the occasion seems to permit it. In times when that is the case, the rational spirit of America is replaced with fear, destructive rage, underhanded and secretive styles of management, and the mopst debased power-mongering. That's the kind of time we live in now. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: harpgirl Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:17 PM martin gibson is really lepus rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: GUEST,Gilda (on a Frined's Computer) Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:14 PM Do you know what is scary about MG's comments.... He actually believes them.... Newcomers will particularly enjoy some of your more...shall we say intellectual posts MG when they do a search on your name. Like the Posts naming female body parts and sexual insults to attack people with, oh and the one were you hoped all the Members Children would Die and the few were you just slapped into someone who was disabled..ah yes I am sure your concern for Newcomers getting the right impression about the Mudcat ranks right up there with your 'Forum Spirit of Friendship and Courtesy" and will shine though embracing us to the fold...yeah right. Well I am a Newcomer and have been looking in for a while now....and if I thought you were the majority voice on this website I would be off like a bullet. Fortunately though your just a very small voice with not a lot to contribute so Ill stick around and drop in when my Job allows. Dianavan....I agree with your comments. This person is boring. Like a broken record he/she goes on and on and says nothing.... I am prepared for the same old muck to be flung at me but at least I know what to expect now. Goodnight. Gilda Myers |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: dianavan Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM The only people I know that spout the intellectual, liberal, anti-Semitism crap are those who wish to justify their right-wing, neo-con agenda. On this forum, there appears to be only one who wants to believe that there is something wrong with thinking, compassionate human beings. Thats why you are so boring. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:45 PM Sorry michaelr. I'm not going to. Thanks to you and everyone for reading my posts. mach/michowhatever, so what? Some of the biggest anti-semites deny they are. Some on Mudcat, especially of the socialist pig variety, do it all of the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: mack/misophist Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:13 PM The only declared anti-semite I know is Jewish. And yes, she appreciates the contradiction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: michaelr Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:30 PM Go away, Martin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals From: Once Famous Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:27 PM Amos, thank you for your insight. I actually do appreciate what you posted. bobert and dianavan who know so very little about the topic, obviously can't deal with it or it's just too damn credible for their lack of common sense. When you hate America as bad as they both do, I mean really, what other type of response would you expect. I don't care. You can't change feces from not giving a bad odor. michaelr, you go away if you don't like it. Or don't read my posts. This is not your web forum to tell someone to go away. |