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Lyr Req: False Knight (#3, from Pete & Chris Coe)

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THE FALSE KNIGHT AND THE WEE BOY
THE FALSE KNIGHT ON THE ROAD 2
THE FALSE KNIGHT UPON THE ROAD
THE FALSE KNIGHT UPON THE ROAD (4)
THE SMART SCHOOLBOY


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Roberto 19 Jun 05 - 02:49 AM
Roberto 20 Jun 05 - 02:57 AM
John MacKenzie 20 Jun 05 - 03:10 AM
Malcolm Douglas 20 Jun 05 - 03:19 AM
Malcolm Douglas 20 Jun 05 - 03:31 AM
Le Scaramouche 20 Jun 05 - 03:48 AM
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GUEST,Lighter at work 20 Jun 05 - 07:19 AM
ConcertinaChap 20 Jun 05 - 08:55 AM
Roberto 22 Jun 05 - 04:43 PM
Matthew Edwards 09 Sep 05 - 07:41 PM
Bill D 09 Sep 05 - 08:31 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Roberto
Date: 19 Jun 05 - 02:49 AM

Please, help me to complete this transcription. Thank you. Roberto

False Knight
Peter & Chris Coe, Open The Door And Let Us In, Trailer LER 2077, 1972. A Cheshire version.

Oh, where are you going ?
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
Oh, I'm going to my school
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

What go ye the forest (?????) ?
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
For to learn ... (???)
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

I wish you on the sea
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
And a good boat under me
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

I wish you on the land
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
And a good staff in my hand
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

I wish you were ...(?) on yonder tree
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
And a ladder under me
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

I think I hear the bell
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
Aye, and it's ringing you to Hell
Said the bonny little girl of seven years old


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Roberto
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 02:57 AM

Only one refresh. R


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Subject: Lyr Add: FALSE KNIGHT (Steeleye Span; Hart & Prior
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:10 AM

Steeleye Span version

"Oh, where are you going?" says the false knight on the road.
"I'm going to me school," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"What is on your back?" says the false knight on the road.
"Me bundles and me books," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"I came a-walking by your door," says the false knight on the road.
"That lay in your way," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"Flung your dog a stone," says the false knight on the road.
"I wish it was a bone," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"Oh, what sheep and cattle's that?" says the false knight on the road.
"They're mine and me father's," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"And how many shall be mine?" says the false knight on the road.
"The ones that have the blue tail," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"Oh, can I get a share o' them?" says the false knight on the road.
"You cannot get a share of them," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"And why the stick all in your hand?" says the false knight on the road.
"To keep me from all cold and harm," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"Oh, I wish you were in yonder tree," says the false knight on the road.
"A ladder under me," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"The ladder it'll break," says the false knight on the road.
"And you will surely fall," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"I wish you were in yonder sea," says the false knight on the road.
"A good boat under me," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"The boat will surely sink," says the false knight on the road.
"And you will surely drown," says the wee boy and still he stood.

"Has your mother more than you?" says the false knight on the road.
"Oh, none of them for you," says the wee boy and still he stood.
"I think I hear a bell," says the false knight on the road.
"It's ringing you to hell," says the wee boy and still he stood.


Tim Hart and Maddy Prior version

"Oh, what brings you here so late?" said the knight on the road.
"I go to meet my God," said the child as he stood.
And he stood and he stood,
And it's well that he stood.
"I go to meet my God," said the child as he stood.

"Oh, how will you go by land?" said the knight on the road.
"With a strong staff in my hand," said the child as he stood.
And he stood and he stood,
And it's well that he stood.
"With a strong staff in my hand," said the child as he stood.

"Oh, how will you go by sea?" said the knight on the road.
"With a good boat under me," said the child as he stood.
And he stood and he stood,
And it's well that he stood.
"With a good boat under me," said the child as he stood.

"Oh, me thinks I hear a bell." said the knight on the road.
"It's ringing you to hell," said the child as he stood.
And he stood and he stood,
And it's well that he stood.
"It's ringing you to hell," said the child as he stood.

"Oh, what brings you here so late?" said the knight on the road.
"I go to meet my God," said the child as he stood.
And he stood and he stood,
And it's well that he stood.
"I go to meet my God," said the child as he stood.

Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:19 AM

All I can add (and it may well say so in the sleeve notes; I don't have the record) is that this probably came from Dorothy Dearnley, Seven Cheshire Folk-Songs. London: Oxford University Press, 1967, 6. I don't have the book either; the reference is from Roud.

If you get no results here, you might email Pete Coe. Contact details are at  http://www.backshift.demon.co.uk/.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:31 AM

Oh, "Giok" re-posted the Steeleye Span stuff while I wasn't looking. A kind thought, but not what Roberto asked for (Where SS they get it? I don't recall offhand). The song isn't very uncommon, but English and Irish sets are relatively rare. Most have been found in Scotland, the USA and Canada.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:48 AM

Perhaps not exactly what he was looking for but do try this.
False Knight on the Road - Frank Quinn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 05:05 AM

I actually posted two versions but due to poor spacing that is not immediately obvious, the second version if the Tim Hart and Maddy Prior version which I have on a compilation CD.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 07:19 AM

I believe that Steeleye's version is another of Martin Carthy's masterly pastiches. The melody used is a reel commonly called "The Primrose Girl."


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Subject: Lyr Add: FALSE KNIGHT (from Pete & Chris Coe?)
From: ConcertinaChap
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 08:55 AM

I don't know if these are the words as sung by the Coes, but this is what Anne and I used to sing a long time back. We learnt it from Chris and Steve Wilson many and many a year ago. It's not stretching the imagination too far to guess that they got it from the Coes.

Oh, where are you going ?
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
Oh, I'm going to my school
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

Oh, and what go you there for?
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
For to learn the word of God
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

Oh, I wish you on the land
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
With a good staff in my hand
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

Oh, I wish you on the sea
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
With a good boat under me
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

Oh, I wish you were in yonder tree
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
With a ladder under me
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

Oh, I think I hear the bell
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
And it's ringing you to Hell
Said the bonny little girl of seven years old

Chris


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pete and Chris Coe's False Knight #3
From: Roberto
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 04:43 PM

The text given by ConcertinaChap fills the gaps. Thank you, and to the all the others. R


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE FALSE KNIGHT (from Dorothy Dearnley)
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 07:41 PM

This is the text of the song given in Seven Cheshire Folk-Songs, Dorothy Dearnley, Arranged by Freda Brislee, London, OUP, 1967.

I've seen a note which suggests that Pete and Chris Coe learned the song from Dorothy Furber (or Furbur?) from Heswall, Cheshire. Dearnley's source was Mrs Stanley of New Ferry, but there are many similarities to the version by Pete and Chris Coe.

THE FALSE KNIGHT

"Oh, where are you going?"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"Oh, I'm going to school,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

"And what have you got there?"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"My dinner and my primer,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

"And what is for your dinner?"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"Some bread and some meat,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

"And will you give me share?"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"Not a bite for your tooth,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

"Oh, what are you going for?"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"To learn the word of God,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

"Oh, I think I hear a bell,"
Said the false knight unto the child on the road.
"Yes, it's ringing you to hell,"
Said the bonny little girl of sev'n years old.

This song was collected from the late Mrs. Stanley of New Ferry.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: False Knight (#3, from Pete & Chris Coe)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 08:31 PM

The Coes sing it in some strange overlapping harmony, so it is hard to sort out...


Oh, where are you going ?
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
Oh, I'm going to my school
Said the bonny little girl of seven years

What go ye the forest (?????) (that's all)
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
For to learn (the word of God)... (???)
Said the bonny little girl of seven years


I wish you were (well? up) yonder tree
Said the False Knight to the Child On The Road
And a ladder under me
Said the bonny little girl of seven years


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: False Knight (#3, from Pete & Chris Coe)
From: GUEST,arbor
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:33 PM

Does anyone have guitar chords for the Tim Hart and Maddy Prior version of this song?


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