BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Mr Happy
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:10 AM

More stupidity here: http://www.livevideo.com/video/12C9D5C84EEA4A1B89EFB51D4913275F/george-bush-at-his-best-laugh.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST,Leadfingers
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:05 PM

100 !!!

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:04 PM

Why did I think this was about voting for George W Bush ?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 12:57 AM

dianavan, sorry to miss your post earlier. I agree--she said what I had been thinking, and she articulated her doubts and questions so well because she DID read the bible.

Years ago I was poking through the library for something else and found a two volume set of books by Isaac Asimov, I think, that examines the history and literature of the bible. I thought it looked interesting and stashed the idea away that one of these years I'd like to go back and visit all three volumes. Julia Sweeney provides a very tidy shortcut to that process.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:24 PM

I've checked my bible. There is no book of Guest, Chapter 1 Verse 25. What bible are you reading ??

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST,Guest 1:25
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:45 PM

It's interesting that a thread can be started here with the best of intentions, of trying to find a way to make oneself better or more responsible or just more of a decent human being and you people STILL insist on finding ways to stir up the pot.

Just let it go, BE NICE to each other!!!!!!!!!

Guest 1:25

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:19 PM

Interesting idea for a Mudcat fundraiser, JI, but I doubt either of us is volunteering, whatever the "weapons of choice" might be.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:18 PM

Bibles for two, coffee for one?

The mind boggles.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST, Judas Iscariot
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 03:41 PM

Would anyone else pay to watch WYSIWYG and kat dressed in stilleto heels and having at it with bibles?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 03:14 PM

Little Hawk, as has been observed, there is much more out there. I had to wade through some of it as I looked for those photos. And as you observed, leaving a little something to the imagination is an art that may go underappreciated by some, but not all.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 08:17 PM

Stilly - The Julia Sweeney monologue was brilliant!

At 10 I rcvd. my first bible. I had finished it at 14 and was thinking about confirmation but... the minister avoided me every chance he got because I had too many questions. I then decided that when I grew up I would translate the bible into everyday language that everyone could understand.

The monologue asked many of the same questions I had as a young girl. Julia Sweeney was able to express those doubts much better than I did.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:32 PM

Yeah, yeah...

I know about those too, Bill, but there's something to be said for not showing everything. It's tantalizing. It allows free rein for the imagination. I like that.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:42 AM

golly, LH...if you are overwhelmed by THOSE pics, I ain't gonna show you where to find the serious ones! *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:29 AM

WHOOSH! Holy Mackerel, Still River Sage, I just saw those pictures you posted. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are a public benefactor of the first order.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Kaleea
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:39 AM

"Everyone is ignorant-only on different subjects. But once ignorance gets started, it knows no bounds."

"Now you take an feller who's made alotta mistakes, & compare 'im to a feller who's never made any.   Well, first ya gotta find a feller who's never made any. Then, well talk!"

"Darndest thing about arguments is, alotta arguin' never settled one."
                     
                         Will Rogers

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:25 PM

Yup. I thought it was pretty interesting.

"Have you ever actually read that book?" she wants to ask people.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 07:23 PM

Stilly:

Thanks for the link to Julia Sweeney's monologue on her "predicament" as a Catholic woman studying the Bible. It was poignant, and funny, and tragic and comic all at once and I am glad I took the trouble to find it!

The source for the clip is here, for RealPlayer. Her talk is the third section, so you have to listen t o a couple of less-intersting dialogues to get ot it. If you move ahead to 38.49 minutes, you will hear the intro and beginning of Julia Sweeny's search. Worth the wait in MHO.



Hope that works!

A

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:49 AM

Amen, sister...

But ain't that what Jesus told Matthew?

(Duck, Bobert!!! Incomin'...)

Nevermind...

As fir the song, it's definately written in 12 bars blues style so I reckon, dependin' on which key one would feel comfy singin' in, it would be 1,4,5 chords... Plus any songf that starts "Woke up this mornin'" is a blues song...

Just MO, that is...

(Duck again, Bobert... Mo' incomin'...)

...:)

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: *daylia*
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:47 AM

Y'know, as a Catter this is the second time I've come across cultural (hmmm that came out 'vultural' at first - interesting!) differences in how people typically react to a Bible verse. Here in Canada, no one I know feels threatened or offended or angered by a Bible quote - even if they are pagan or Buddhist or atheist or whatever. THe Bible is regarded like any other religious text - you're free to take it or leave it however you like but whatever you do it's no threat to me, so to speak.

THings are WAY different in the States, I've discovered. If I'd remembered that I wouldn't have bothered digging out the ole Bible and finding that verse, least of all posting it here! I hadn't read every post on this thread first either - I usually just skip over any insults or fighting. Anyway, I just wanted to make it clear that I was NOT trying to offend anyone - I honestly thought y'all couldn't find the passage and I was trying to be helpful.

JUst goes to show that when it appears someone is trying to flame or insult or preach at you here, it's best to think twice before you retaliate. The problem might be just your perception and NOT their intention ... just those 'vultural' differences again!

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:09 AM

Does anyone here know the African American spiritual "I woke up this mornin?" I remember the 1st and 2nd verse going like this:

I woke up this mornin with my mind
stayed on Jesus
Woke up this mornin
with my mind stayed on Jesus
I woke up this mornin with my mind
stayed on Jesus
Hallelu Hallelu Hallelu-u-yah

Well, I walked & talked
talked & walked with my mind
stayed on Jesus
Walked and talked
talked and walked
with my mind stayed on Jesus
Well, I walked & talked
talked & walked with my mind
stayed on Jesus
Hallelu Hallelu Hallelu-u-yah

****

I remember singing this as a Civil Rights song in the mid 1960s. But instead of saying "with my mind stayed on Jesus" we sang "with my mind stayed on freedom".

Using the folk process, may I suggest that we sing "Woke up this mornin with my mind stayed on peace" [but the word 'peace' would have to be pronounced like this "pee-eese" to fit the song's melody].

What in the world does this have to do with the price of beans?
Well Imma tell yah.

I woke up Sunday mornin and read this thread and it seems to me, my sistas and brothas, that we have forgotten what this thread was all about in the first place-somebody tryin to do the right thing after mouthin off the wrong way..

And does it seem to me we are doin the right thing by each other here?

[insert the congregation's response-'NO!']

It just seems to me that if people can't play pass this disagreement [y'all know what I'm talkin about] and if people feel that they have a bone that they must pick, and they must pick it over and over and over again, may I suggest that they do so though the Private Message system away from all us good folks that want to move on up to higher heights.

[Let the church say "Amen!" 'AMEN']

There's just too many heavy duty things goin on in the world to waste time and energy on sweatin the small stuff.

But if people insist upon a word fight that may have been started some time ago for all I know, I would respectfully request that y'all leave my name out of it. Like this frican American saying goes:
                My name is Bess
                and I ain't in this mess.



Azizi
(with apologies to all who I might have inadvertently offended by this post or by my first post or by my other posts to this thread}.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:38 AM

Word on the street is that he'll be at the church picnic this afternoon so ya better not sing off key 'er....

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:19 AM

... but I WOULD be remiss if I failed to apologize for that "Shitfuck".... lemme find the post..... of yeah, there it is--

"Holy Shitfuck, Batman!"

Folks, if ya see Batman-- please, tell im for me, I'm sorry! :~)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 07:26 AM

Azzizi has asked for it to stop, so I shall.


But you had to take just one more shot first, eh Kat? "For the record." What record are you trying to preserve, exactly, the Gospel according to Kat? Now there's a real peacemaker among us, folks, and out of her sickbed, too!

I love Alba's image of trying to find a Bible. As I have now come to realize, my post was of the most urgent nature-- HAD to be acted on IMMEDIATELY!!! Gee, I thought that a grown woman-- and a smart one-- could certainly use the Internet to find anything she's curious about?!?!?!? There are quite a number of online Bibles with great search tools. I happen to have a houseful of Bibles myself, but I usually use the online ones when I want a reference. I'd have built a link if I had had more time when I posted that-- if I had not been rushing out the door to a really tough funeral.

And hm, could my tone actually have been encouragement to Azizi, to go see for herself? (People who actually know me, I would bet, can hear my post just like that.) But naw, of course not, I'm big ole bad WYS, we gotta protect poor lil Azizi from bad old me! (Kat is, after all, a mindreader who can never be wrong-- or prejudiced!) And then after firing a few shots, sniff in a superior fashion and claim to be "done" discussing it. Well, Lah dee DAH! I guess some folks call that "manners" when they veil their crap in a plastic bag.

Well, hot news! Azizi has posted about her church background many, many times. If she uses that background as a basis for her posts about religious music and African American culture, would I be totally crazy to think-- gasp-- she probably knows a bit of Bible?????   Does that mean I assume she's a practicing Christian NOW? No! But I do believe she was probably listening when she DID attend church-- I frequently make that mistaken assumption, it kinda goes with the life I live, SO SUE ME for having a frame of reference that takes people at the face value they present!

But whatever-- what I am really curious about is this-- what on earth gives Kat the responsibility to pass judgment on my posts? And what makes her think Azizi needs a bodyguard at Mudcat?!?!? Does Kat feel that Azizi cannot speak for herself?

Cuz I was under the impression that Azizi is fully empowered to conduct her own conversations...

And a happy Sunday morning to you all! I gotta run-- I have TWO churches to bamboozle today, PLUS a picnic to play for!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 04:02 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 02:58 AM

Holy flying ratshit, Batman. Guess it wasn't Zorro. Thank you for your in-depth research, SRS. I will go have a troubled sleep now.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 02:54 AM

Well done, Stilly

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 02:12 AM

Ebbie, you were hoping I'd have come along already with my search skills and posted a few images like these:

bustier (the bridal version) or the non-bridal version.

Black stiletto shoes are attractive in their own way, but killers to wear.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 01:42 AM

LOL Hey, isn't anyone going to assuage Guest Canadian's piqued curiosity?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:39 AM

Well, I suppose if you want to post anonymously about personal matters, there is good reason. Sure makes good material for the trolls, though. My feeling is that the Internet is not a good place for talking about personal stuff - whether it's done anonymously or not.
But whatever the case, anonymous posts make everyone uneasy and less trusting, even if they're done for the best of reasons. It starts a cycle of anonymity, and with anonymity comes a lack of feeling of responsibility for what you say.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:30 AM

I guess twisted, idle, late-night curiousity and boredom drew me into the kind of a thread I would normally avoid like the plague. But something made me read. And then I saw your post:

"If you post anonymously, even if your post is innocuous, I think it violates the trust that other people place in you."

In a way, Joe Offer, I see your point. But your shotgun approach hurts me. I count myself a long-time member, if not exactly a regular, and I have on at least two occasions posted anonymously. Once, for fun and play (and I'll eventually come clean), and once in pain and need. I knew that you and others COULD see my identity, but trusted anyway, and it was how I chose to use this tool and reach out to this community. I can't speak to 'the trend', but I can say that I've appreciated having the right to remain (mostly) anonymous on occasion.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:10 AM

Sorry. Was me above.

Wait. I am getting a mental image here. ARE YOU ZORRO?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:07 AM

"I'm wearing black stilettos, a mask, red lipstick, and a bustier!"

I know about masks and lipstick. But wot are 'black stilettos' (I don't think it's knives in this context) and wot's a 'bustier' (which I recognize as conparative adjective of the second degree)?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: harpgirl
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:56 PM

...not bloody likely, Alba. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Alba
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:50 PM

Looked a bit like an order to me. I don't do orders myself. If I did however,
I couldn't have carried this particular request so......first I would have had to get in the Car, drive....bang on an neighbors door ask them for theirs, they would, as it turns out, have said .."no sorry don't have one in the house".... so I'd of had to got back in the car, drive some more...go to someone else's door, on the off chance that they might have a Bible and guess what? they wouldn't have either. " never had one, you could ask at the baptist Church in the morning if its urgent" Now I am in a very Rural area so that's a heck of a bit of driving because of an assumption.
How do I know this because I called and asked those same folks tonight cause I was curious. I just called and said " Do you have a Bible I could borrow please" and they say what I basically told y'all they said above with a bit more personal information which was very kind of them! I thank them all and said that I didn't have one obviously. They understood when I explained why.
As it happens none of them are of the Christian Faith.
I was SURE they all were being where I live and all.
I won't assume that about folks again in my area. This was just a little bit of info I wished to pass on.
I guess by my assuming they would all have one I was being a bit of an idiot. It is not a good thing to assume things about something so deeply personal about People and in my case it lead to me to feeling isolated with my own path. Now I don't feel as apart from a few of the Folks around here and that's great... Ah we live and learn...sometimes:>)

anywho....back to the original poster of the Thread

Hey Guest 1:25 Your doing Gooood now huh, keep it up:>) x

and while I am on here.... Hi there Kat Darlin, it is GREAT to see you on the Muddykitty. Hope your feeling a bit better and coming along just fine ma Dear:>) xx

Love, Light and whatever it takes to get you all through the night
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:47 PM

*sigh*...just because I haven't been posting to this, it doesn't mean I haven't been reading it.

YOU CAN'T WIN a "yes, I did, no you didn't" contest. Nor even a "..you started it.." contest. Surely, no one expects an escalation of this sort to solve anything or anyone to admit they were out of line?

...seems like I've been saying this for YEARS....oh, right, it has been years.

enough, already.....

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Alba
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM

Just don't come at ME swinging a Bible and shouting scriptures Harpi... lol
Jude
(By the way your costume sounds fabulous!)

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:07 PM

LOL, hg!

For the record, I didn't say anything about shoving and I did ask PLEASE!

For the record, Susan issued what reads like an order: "Read your Bible, Azizi, it's all in there." Assumptive and imperious. A guest took the time to say so in a polite manner, only to be greeted by "Shitfuck" etc. Last posting about this. Azzizi has asked for it to stop, so I shall.

One more, Jeri, I agree with you as far as what Joe said about anon. postings, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:04 PM

Well, gol danged....

Two of my favoritist Catters havin' a danged cat fight over, ahhhhh, not sure what...

You all get over it, what ever it is...

Okay?

Pleeeeeze....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 11:02 PM

No cape?

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: harpgirl
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:54 PM

and for the visuals, I'm wearing black stilettos, a mask, red lipstick, and a bustier!

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: harpgirl
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:52 PM

alright you two, THWAAAACCCCK!!!!!! back in your corners!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: GUEST,Guest 1:25
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:45 PM

I'm practicing, see? :X

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:15 PM

Hey GUEST/thread originator, who said "As of late, I have been engaging my mouth before engaging my brain. As a result, I have said some unkind things and have made poor decisions": if I were you, I'd be starting to feel like a pretty decent human being.

(And if the way this thread has gone isn't one of the most ironic things that's ever happened here, I haven't been paying attention.)

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:00 PM

Kat,

The advice was not shoved anywhere, and was there to be taken OR NOT. When asked about it I replied as best I could in that moment, suggesting people find it for themselves instead of putting in a long paste of the verses and the relevant commentary.

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about it. You are not my mother and you have shown your inability to be objective about my posts many, many times.   If you choose to feel threatened when I tell you that I don't appreciate your bullshit aimed my way, that's on YOU. That's YOUR lack of respect. I didn't assume anything about whether people had or didn't have a Bible or did or didn't want to follow it-- YOU inserted that assumption and then went after me as though it were mine-- it's YOUR intolerance screaming out here, dear, NOT MINE.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:59 PM

"Nobody stays on topic if there's something else they'd rather talk about." You know... like I just did. (Sheesh)

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:53 PM

The discussion of that is what's off base and out of line, IMO...not that that matters. Nobody stays on topic if there's something else they'd rather talk about.

Joe, you say Mudcat 'regulars' (NOT 'members') rarely posted anonymously and there's lately been a trend towards anonymous posting.

Folks have always been given some slack when talking about extremely personal things. I think folks who dump their cookies to argue an opinion or flame somebody ought to have them permanently yanked, but for crying-out-loud, demanding people 'out' themselves when talking about personal stuff is anal. We've NEVER expected them to do so.

There's even more reason to go anon now. Personally, if I needed to be a bit vulnerable and didn't want to deal with psychological predators that no one seems able to prevent from getting their rocks off here, I'd sure go anon!

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:51 PM

As I said, Susan, chill out and don't threaten me. Simply put...not everyone is going to have nor want a Bible. No bashing, just a fact, not all are of the same faith, anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:48 PM

Hey, ain't as much 'bout the teachin's of Jesus but the common sense of man... Yeah, lot of things in the the New Testament got a lotta common sense in them...

Ain't no sides here...

GUEST gotta a little situation going on here in his or her life and a little common sense ain't gonna hurt GUEST one danged bit...

Even if it does come from the New Testament...

...or not.

The example that WYSusan gave from Mathew is 'bout 99% common sense as I see it and ain't ushin' no religion down no one's throats here...

Yeah, always better to go to the source of the problem rather than the elders...

Ask anyone who has ever done time...

Ask anyone who is successsfull...

Common sense...

Bobert
Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:33 PM

Yes Kat, we have been down the road where people take a brief post of mine as an opportunity to bash the Bible, the Church, and people of faith. Don't go there with me, again, yourself. You're off base and out of line.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: On Being Stupid and Making Things Right
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:17 PM

Joe said, speaking of "regulars" i.e. members, Joe?: If you post anonymously, even if your post is innocuous, I think it violates the trust that other people place in you.

Up until the last year or two, there were several of us who posted innocuous stuff which I am sure didn't violate ANY trust, including those postings of "Ditzee Lee," "Cletus, Pa and the Reg boys," "Chongo Chimp" and many others, esp. in the story threads.

Other instances I can think of where posting anonymously was important and did NOT violate trust in any apparent way were in threads which were of a "delicate" nature, i.e. the one on impotence. Other members have told me, via PM's and phone calls, they have chosen to post anon., at times, to avoid racial and/or religious repercussions.

I know GUESTS have been painted with a broad brush and I have and still am in favour of other ways to deal with the ones who are so disruptive, as discussed in other threads ad nauseum, but not all GUESTs are troublemakers, be they "regulars" or not.

Susan...we've been down this road before. Please chill out and/or respect that others may not even have a Bible much less live by it.

kat